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(The Smoking Gun)   Nothing good can happen when a screaming 2-year-old African-American boy is seated next to a 60-year-old racist on an airplane   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line 340
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2013-02-15 04:27:42 PM
By the way, here's something from the article that everyone who hates sitting near kids should keep in mind:

They were seated in row 28.

Most parents, once they figure it out, will sit as far back in the plane as they can manage - at the wings if not all the way back. The engine noise is louder, and will lull the really little ones to sleep. There are also many plane configurations where only the back bathrooms have diaper changing stations, not the front ones. And being at the back usually allows more time to stow stuff and get situated. Seriously, we never take seats at the front of the plane unless we don't have a choice. So if you're the type of person who feels like slapping a kid, try to choose seats at the front for the best chance of a quiet flight.
 
2013-02-15 04:28:07 PM
so........did the kid shut up?
 
2013-02-15 04:28:38 PM

ProfessorOhki: CheekyMonkey: Fark_Guy_Rob: Genevieve Marie: Fark_Guy_Rob: My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child.

Because the baby started crying on descent when his ears hurt?

What should the mom have done?

I've got problems too - that doesn't allow me to violate the basic social contracts we all conform to.  Why should I be expected to answer for the action or inaction of the Mother?  *I* didn't spend the flight crying like a child.  I took appropriate actions to ensure that I wouldn't piss everyone off.

I'm not the woman.  I don't know what she should have done.  If you gave me a pet tiger, I wouldn't know what to do with that either - but it would be my responsibility to learn before I let it eat someone's child.  She should have figured it out *before* ruining everyone's flight.

Feel free to charter a plane if you want the whole thing to yourself.

Exactly, but that gets expensive; having to charter a plane just because you have a screaming baby.


Even thought that was quite trollish, it did get me to laugh.
 
2013-02-15 04:29:49 PM

Orange-Pippin: Oznog: [i.cdn.turner.com image 200x223]
I'm sorry, I just *assumed* he was a Republican congressman or candidate or something.  I'm just so used to this being the case.


Same. Honestly, this is what meade me wonder if he was a republican Congressman...

FTA Hundley was arrested in 2007 following a fight with his girlfriend. Initially charged with simple assault, carrying a concealed weapon, and public intoxication, Hundley subsequently pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor assault rap.


You should have read one more line, and then you would figure he was a Democratic Senator:

Hundley told TSG that the weapon he allegedly brandished was a wine corkscrew.
 
2013-02-15 04:30:29 PM

CheekyMonkey: ProfessorOhki: CheekyMonkey: Fark_Guy_Rob: Genevieve Marie: Fark_Guy_Rob: My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child.

Because the baby started crying on descent when his ears hurt?

What should the mom have done?

I've got problems too - that doesn't allow me to violate the basic social contracts we all conform to.  Why should I be expected to answer for the action or inaction of the Mother?  *I* didn't spend the flight crying like a child.  I took appropriate actions to ensure that I wouldn't piss everyone off.

I'm not the woman.  I don't know what she should have done.  If you gave me a pet tiger, I wouldn't know what to do with that either - but it would be my responsibility to learn before I let it eat someone's child.  She should have figured it out *before* ruining everyone's flight.

Feel free to charter a plane if you want the whole thing to yourself.

Exactly, but that gets expensive; having to charter a plane just because you have a screaming baby.

Even thought that was quite trollish, it did get me to laugh.


Good, I'm glad I went the simple route. I was *this* close to suggesting baby-sized tow-able drones.
 
2013-02-15 04:31:14 PM

socoloco: brigid_fitch: .....

CSB:  Guy in the window seat next to me had Bose noise-canceling headphones on the entire trip.  He didn't take them off until we touched down.  He leaned over to me and suggested I tell the mother to give the girl some gum to help w/her ears.  He was surprised to learn she'd been crying the whole flight.

Best. Product endorsement. EVER.


Bose you say?

Seriously, I bet the guy worked for Bose. Not buying it.


While Bose products have poor sound quality, I hear their noise-cancelling headphones do a good job.

\overpriced though, as with all Bose products
 
2013-02-15 04:31:41 PM
white people suck
 
2013-02-15 04:32:04 PM

born_yesterday: FTFA:  In an interview, Hundley denied striking the toddler or using a racial slur, though he did acknowledge that he "asked the mother to quiet the child."

After Hundley hit the child, Agent Cheney reported, Bennett received assistance from several other passengers, including Todd Wooten, who was in seat 16C. Wooten told agents that he "heard derogatory language coming from the rear of the aircraft" and got up to investigate. "According to Mr. Wooten," Cheney noted, "he saw Joe Rickey Hundley strike" the toddler.


That guy was apparently several rows away.  I'm surprised he was in a position to hear and see what was going on.  If so, the guy must have seriously been out of control.
 
2013-02-15 04:32:09 PM

Red_Fox: roc6783: I have no clue how I would react to someone hitting my child

I know how I'd react...with as much damn violence as I could possibly create on the guy's head.


I think that would be my most likely reaction too, but I've never been in a situation that could even be deemed remotely similar.
 
2013-02-15 04:33:15 PM

Mega Steve: TerminalEchoes: Smothering the child with a pillow is usually far more effective than smacking.

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I think of that episode every time I have to hear a screaming baby on a plane or other public place.  I'm not going to hit the stupid thing and wouldn't advocate violence against it, but that doesn't stop me from being annoyed.
 
2013-02-15 04:37:27 PM

Warlordtrooper: Nadie_AZ: This man This child's parentsshould be publicly shamed and humiliated as punishment.

I don't condone slapping random Children.... but I understand.
Kids who can't control themselves have no business being on planes.


YEAH.. F*cking 2 year olds with no self-constraint!!!
 
2013-02-15 04:37:55 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: spentmiles: ***snip***


Go read TFA again


You are obviously not familiar with spentmiles' work.  At turns horrifying, subtle, enraging, and disgusting, but almost always entertaining.

//Usually by the end of the post it turns into a twisted Penthouse letter, but I think Dancin In Anson killed that line with an actual story.
 
2013-02-15 04:38:11 PM
A little googling reveals quite a bit. Guy is president of one of the largest aerospace composite manufacturers.  They derive the majority of their income from Boeing 787 production and government contracts for ballistics. In an article from an Idaho aircraft alliance newsletter, baby puncher reports things are going just great! History of being a drunken asshole and an admitted woman beater as well as a toddler slapper. He's single these days, no surprise.  I'll give you three guesses on his political affiliation, and the first two don't count. Since I have revealed no specific or personal information that is not contained in TFA, I hope busy FARK mod will not feel need to delete this post.
 
2013-02-15 04:38:31 PM

ProfessorOhki: draa: Carn: I'd punchisize his face for free.

This. If somebody were to strike my child/grandchild like that when I'm within arms reach of them I promise you they won't ever hit another child again. Ever. I'll gladly go to jail for a long time for beating the living fark out of 'em. That's a fact. I don't take this shait lightly when it comes to my family. Especially from a complete stranger like this racist asshole.

You're now in prison
Your kid grows up missing a parent
Person who slapped your kid goes on with their life after a brief beating

You certainly showed them.


I can't speak for previous posters, but in my case it would be

You're now in prison
Your kid grows up missing a parent
Person who slapped your kid is dead


There are very few things that will send me straight into spectacularly violent escalation mode, but injuring one of my family members for no reason other than "you're a doosh" is one of them.  I will cheerfully remove myself from the world of the free and living as long as I can make sure you don't ever get the chance to hurt my loved ones again.

And if you think that "but I was drunk when I punched the kid" will excuse you?  Now instead of beating an abusive dooshtard to death, I'm beating an alcoholic dooshtard to death.

Do not strike my kid, random drunk person.  I will kill you with no regrets.
 
2013-02-15 04:38:33 PM
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Daymn, dude.  Nobody wants to be on an airplane with a  screaming baby but you don't drop n bombs and slap said baby.  I don't care how much booze you've had to drink or if you're going to a funeral or not.
 
2013-02-15 04:39:03 PM

Coco LaFemme: I can understand getting annoyed at a screaming toddler, whether it's on an airplane, in a restaurant, in an elevator, at a grocery store....wherever.  Toddlers are by default annoying, and when they're loud, they're even worse.  That being said, you NEVER put your hands on someone else's child, unless you're trying to pull them out of the way of oncoming traffic or something.  You especially never hit someone else's child.  You super-duper especially never hit someone else's child and use a racial slur and other derogatory language against them.

This guy should be kicked in the dick hard enough to break it.


As a white male I never touch a kid, I would never rescue them from death or injury, because I'm afraid of being accused of molesting them. Sorry, but if your kid is too stupid to have a survival instinct society has made it too much of a liability for me to prevent them from being injured or killed.
 
2013-02-15 04:39:07 PM
Too bad, he should have slapped the parents.
 
2013-02-15 04:40:35 PM

over_and_done: ProfessorOhki: draa: Carn: I'd punchisize his face for free.

This. If somebody were to strike my child/grandchild like that when I'm within arms reach of them I promise you they won't ever hit another child again. Ever. I'll gladly go to jail for a long time for beating the living fark out of 'em. That's a fact. I don't take this shait lightly when it comes to my family. Especially from a complete stranger like this racist asshole.

You're now in prison
Your kid grows up missing a parent
Person who slapped your kid goes on with their life after a brief beating

You certainly showed them.

I can't speak for previous posters, but in my case it would be

You're now in prison
Your kid grows up missing a parent
Person who slapped your kid is dead

There are very few things that will send me straight into spectacularly violent escalation mode, but injuring one of my family members for no reason other than "you're a doosh" is one of them.  I will cheerfully remove myself from the world of the free and living as long as I can make sure you don't ever get the chance to hurt my loved ones again.

And if you think that "but I was drunk when I punched the kid" will excuse you?  Now instead of beating an abusive dooshtard to death, I'm beating an alcoholic dooshtard to death.

Do not strike my kid, random drunk person.  I will kill you with no regrets.


Dauntless dude your hardcore! Lets trade Pokemon.
 
2013-02-15 04:40:55 PM
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such a shame. two years old and already stealing pumpkins.
 
2013-02-15 04:41:04 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I can mostly agree with this guy's actions.

I don't believe a small child can be held accountable for their actions.  I don't blame the kid.  But parents are adults.  If you are a parent, YOU should be responsible for the actions of your child.  In my mind, there is absolutely no difference between an adult with their child who is doing X and an adult doing X.  Same with pets.

My neighbors upstairs leave their dog in their tiny apartment while they go to work.  Dog barks all day.  I quickly got tired of it; recorded it barking, saved it to my media center, connected the surround sound system and the guitar amp and waited until they were home from work.  Then I proceeded to produce the EXACT SAME NOISE they'd been responsible for making.

In my eyes, those actions are equal.  They were dicks for making loud noises and I responded in kind by making loud noises (also making me a dick - but no more of a dick).

My point here is that he slapped the wrong person.  The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child.  I don't blame the dog upstairs for barking, I blame the owners that are responsible for it.

//True story - the landlord called me up and said there were complaints of barking coming from my apartment.  I said, 'That's impossible, I don't have a dog.  I have heard a dog coming from upstairs though'.  Good times.


You are cool!
 
2013-02-15 04:41:31 PM
President of his company, eh? Obviously we need more tax breaks for this valiant job creator.
 
2013-02-15 04:42:42 PM
Damn dude*

Ahem.
 
2013-02-15 04:43:40 PM

Oznog: [i.cdn.turner.com image 200x223]

I'm sorry, I just *assumed* he was a Republican congressman or candidate or something.  I'm just so used to this being the case.


No kidding.  The moment I saw his photo, I immediately thought "solid middle-class Republican businessman asshole".
 
2013-02-15 04:44:44 PM

Genevieve Marie: Fark_Guy_Rob: My point here is that he slapped the wrong person. The Mother was the one who screwed up, not the child.

Because the baby started crying on descent when his ears hurt?

What should the mom have done?


According to the fraction of Farkers who totally hate kids, the only place for children on planes is in the baggage compartment. Because apparently airplane travel is otherwise made in perfect silence and utter tranquility, and any disruption of that experience, from beginning to end, shatters their delicate Zen state.
 
2013-02-15 04:44:48 PM

the money is in the banana stand: If someone strikes your child or brings harm on your family, you should be able to retaliate in whatever way you see fit without repercussion.


Sure. And if someone kills your kid, you should get to kill their whole family, and eat their flesh. And if someone steals from you, you should be able to cut off their hands, without a trial. And if someone in front of you on the highway is texting-&-driving, you should be allowed to rape their pet llamma. And if a person jaywalks in front of you, you should be able to run them down with your car. Idiot.
 
2013-02-15 04:45:42 PM
Apparently this fine gentleman also had a girlfriend who needed to shut up:

According to Virginia state court records, Hundley was arrested in 2007 following a fight with his girlfriend. Initially charged with simple assault, carrying a concealed weapon, and public intoxication, Hundley subsequently pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor assault rap.
 
2013-02-15 04:45:54 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: My experience is that hitting children just makes them cry more.


Not if you hit them real real hard.  Then they even stop moving.
 
2013-02-15 04:46:18 PM
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2013-02-15 04:47:01 PM

Warlordtrooper: Nadie_AZ: This man This child's parentsshould be publicly shamed and humiliated as punishment.

I don't condone slapping random Children.... but I understand.
Kids who can't control themselves have no business being on planes.


My cousin was PCs-ing from MD to Honolulu. At the time, her son was 18 months old. She and the dad were splitsville. She and her son spent 15 hours traveling. They were both exhausted, and had gotten up at 4:00am. Understandably, both child and mother were a bit cranky, and the little guy was difficult on one of the flights (although he slept through one of the others).

Now, please tell me why it's my cousin's fault that the Navy decided to move her and her son to Hawaii from Maryland. Alternatively, please tell me how my cousin could have gotten her son to Hawaii from Maryland without having to fly.

You see, sometimes parents have to fly with their kids.
 
2013-02-15 04:47:43 PM

Gyrfalcon: According to the fraction of Farkers who totally hate kids, the only place for children on planes is in the baggage compartment. Because apparently airplane travel is otherwise made in perfect silence and utter tranquility, and any disruption of that experience, from beginning to end, shatters their delicate Zen state.



If I'm on a flight and a kid is throwing a tantrum, I will tell them that they should go play outside.

/I keed.
//But I've wanted to use that line for a while.
 
2013-02-15 04:47:45 PM
His homepage on his corporation's website got taken down.
 
2013-02-15 04:48:28 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: My experience is that hitting children just makes them cry more.


You're just not hitting them hard enough then.

Having said that, if some random arsehole lays hand on my children like that, they're gonna end up hitting ground before the airplane does.
 
2013-02-15 04:49:06 PM

Popular Opinion: white people suck


But do they swallow?
 
2013-02-15 04:50:33 PM

draa: Carn: I'd punchisize his face for free.

This. If somebody were to strike my child/grandchild like that when I'm within arms reach of them I promise you they won't ever hit another child again. Ever. I'll gladly go to jail for a long time for beating the living fark out of 'em. That's a fact. I don't take this shait lightly when it comes to my family. Especially from a complete stranger like this racist asshole.


I dunno if I'd kill the guy but he'd be getting at least one solid punch to the face.  If you didn't permanently maim him, I'm not sure if there's a jury around that would convict you.  Of course, I'm not sure what crimes they'd say you committed and whether or not it would be a jury trial (IANAL).
 
2013-02-15 04:50:34 PM

Coco LaFemme: I can understand getting annoyed at a screaming toddler, whether it's on an airplane, in a restaurant, in an elevator, at a grocery store....wherever.  Toddlers are by default annoying, and when they're loud, they're even worse.  That being said, you NEVER put your hands on someone else's child, unless you're trying to pull them out of the way of oncoming traffic or something.  You especially never hit someone else's child.  You super-duper especially never hit someone else's child and use a racial slur and other derogatory language against them.

This guy should be kicked in the dick hard enough to break it.


I'm quite astonished that he made it off the plane without the aid of a stretcher after that incident. I would probably be in jail for curb-stomping the belligerent bastard's  head before I knew what I was doing. It's one thing to strike a child, but he didn't have to be a racist about it also.
 
2013-02-15 04:51:06 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: My experience is that hitting children just makes them cry more.


You're not doing it right.
 
2013-02-15 04:51:32 PM

born_yesterday: Yeah, neutral witnesses are already coming forth to help crucify you, asshole.  Good luck with the non-apology apology.


Let's not point fingers here. In certain frames of reference, that vicious baby struck that poor man's hand with his face. I just hope the man finds it in his heart to forgive that little ogre.
 
2013-02-15 04:52:19 PM

belhade: Because People in power are Stupid: My experience is that hitting children just makes them cry more.

You're just not hitting them hard enough then.

Having said that, if some random arsehole lays hand on my children like that, they're gonna end up hitting ground before the airplane does.



*Checking profile to see if I could take you in a fight*

I'll pass.....soulless gingers fight dirty.
 
2013-02-15 04:52:36 PM

Diogenes: And even though annoying, it sounds like the child only started crying on descent.  That's just something you have to put up with.  Kids can't help that ear thing.


This is the only time it's reasonable to do candy for little kids, as the sugar will get their attention through any ear discomfort and get them to swallow.  With a baby you can bring a lollypop, suck on it to get it wet, then rub it on a pacifier as needed to make sure they keep working on it.  You can't get them to never cry at all on descent, but it'll get it down to an occasional thing.
 
2013-02-15 04:52:54 PM

LemSkroob: [i.cdn.turner.com image 300x400]

such a shame. two years old and already stealing pumpkins.


LOL.   Look at the pumpkin this baby found:

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2013-02-15 04:53:23 PM
KEEP IT UP AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!
 
2013-02-15 04:54:18 PM
I cannot believe that we're this far in to an airplane thread, and no one has even mentioned fat people...
 
2013-02-15 04:54:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: the money is in the banana stand: If someone strikes your child or brings harm on your family, you should be able to retaliate in whatever way you see fit without repercussion.

Sure. And if someone kills your kid, you should get to kill their whole family, and eat their flesh. And if someone steals from you, you should be able to cut off their hands, without a trial. And if someone in front of you on the highway is texting-&-driving, you should be allowed to rape their pet llamma. And if a person jaywalks in front of you, you should be able to run them down with your car. Idiot.


All of those other things can be replaced or smoothed over, so the hyperbole doesn't really work here.

Dead kid?  Kid with possibly permanent injuries due to striking?  Not ever going to go away.
 
2013-02-15 04:54:41 PM

shastacola: Apparently this fine gentleman also had a girlfriend who needed to shut up:


Doesn't that describe 'em all?
 
2013-02-15 04:56:53 PM

CheekyMonkey: Popular Opinion: white people suck

But do they swallow?


until they get married....
 
2013-02-15 04:57:56 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: You're supposed to act like a giant asshole all the time and assume that everything bad that happens to somebody is their fault and they deserve it.


Generally, I do. And I hate the whole breeder culture.
But if I saw this guy hit the kid, I'm afraid he'd have a rough time of it as soon as he rounded the corner after leaving the police station. You know, on that first corner where the cameras are all out. Or in that cab he just hailed. the one where the doors auto lock. And don't unlock until I steer it into the warehouse down by the docks next to the ice plant.
 
2013-02-15 04:58:18 PM

over_and_done: Kid with possibly permanent injuries due to striking?  Not ever going to go away.


Are you farking kidding me? Slapping a kid isn't going to leave permanent injuries.
 
2013-02-15 04:59:17 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I'm 33 and I still sometimes have major ear pain on the left side during descent, and I sometimes can't shake it for hours afterwards.


Not so cool story, bro:

Know how I found out I was lactose intolerant? I had a grande caramel frappucino and then got on a plane. I essentially got the bends, and not even Gax-X made me feel better. I was in extreme pain the entire flight. As soon as we descended, I was back to normal. I wrote it off as a weird thing, but on the flight back I had another grande frap (not to be confused with a grand fap, which would be illegal in an airport) and got on a plane. Again, I essentially got the bends. There's nothing quite like experiencing major pain in an entire organ system to make you want to off yourself. And of course, as soon as we descended about 2/3 of the way, I felt 100% better. I did some experimenting later on, and yeah, I'm lactose intolerant. I'm not a fan of milk and sour cream, and I prefer aged cheeses (which have almost no lactose), so my normal diet never tipped me off. Until I got into drinking those caramel frappucinos and then flying. Now I get them with soy milk and extra caramel, because soy is awful. Thanks Nana, for your recessive Portuguese genes!

/NSCSB

/Thanks, Nana!
 
2013-02-15 04:59:37 PM

Pocket Ninja: coco ebert: A thread about racism AND children on planes? Oh, hell naw. *backs out*

If the mother had been breast-feeding her child at the time, we might now be facing the very real possibility that this thread could have become self-aware and, ultimately, decided to destroy us all.


If they were travelling to have the child circumsized I think we would witnessing one of the portents of the rapture.
 
2013-02-15 05:00:21 PM

spentmiles: There are limits to personal responsibility.  First off, he was traveling to a family funeral, so he was obviously in a fragile emotional state.  Second, the mother seemed more interested in arguing with him than tending to her small child.  Unless the kid was flying to Atlanta for an urgent medical procedure, there's little reason for him to be on an aircraft.  Furthermore, the passengers witnessed the plane waitresses over serving this guy when they admittedly suspected him of being intoxicated, which between the funeral and the screaming child is understandable.  And it's not like he punched the child in the face with a closed fist.  There's a decent chance that the mother slaps the child herself.  While inappropriate, it's not what I'd call an offense that requires us to get our torches and pitchforks.

Bottom line, it was a stressful situation and some things happened.  Everyone is fine now.  Let's move on.


Okay, I now resolve to stop calling them stewardesses. Plane waitress is much more appropriate.

I can remember when flying was actually fun and even though we complained about the food it really wasn't that bad. It wasn't very good, but the plane waitresses were polite, often good looking and were happy to serve you. Then something happened. They turned into "flight attendants" and started prohibiting smoking on planes. They told us they were NOT stewardesses and they even let males fill some of their jobs but it was obvious all the male stewardesses were gayer than Elton John and Freddie Mercury combined. Then they said they were not there to serve you but rather to make the flight safe.

And yet, we did nothing more than grumble under our breath and accepted that and now look what we have - the TSA and I don't feel one bit safer than I did 30 years ago and I and every one I know hates flying.
 
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