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2013-02-15 02:55:01 PM
What most people are missing here is that there are two types of bullying. You have the lone bully, and the group/mob. The lone bully more often than not can and should be dealt with by the potential victim holding their ground or retaliating. Unless we are talking extremely violent bullying, this really is just a right of passage. Most all kids will experience this in some sort of way. The more dangerous, and more common type of bullying now is the mob/group. Standing up will NOT be good. You will get destroyed and the violence against you will escalate. The only way of stopping this is to farking expel and make examples out of the perpetrators. I grew up in a truly inner city school. Bullies, were mostly gang members and low life scum in training. Bullying mostly consisted of extremely violent events that would escalate into much worse situations. My best friend knocked out the head of the Cholos when he was harassing and groping a girl. Had he not moved to another city, he would no doubt been killed. Sometimes, standing up for yourself or others will NOT have a good outcome.
 
2013-02-15 02:59:06 PM
One particular bully was constantly giving me shiat in middle school.  One day I was walking home after a side trip to 7-11 for a drink (RC Cola, 16 oz glass bottle, old school) when I hear girl yell "Look out!"  Of course I turned around and got punched in the face by my nemesis.  I immediately broke the soda bottle on the sidewalk and started for him.  His eyes popped out and he started running like crazy.  It's probably best that I did not catch him, but it was the last time he messed with me.

I was a scrawny little kid and rarely won fights.  On the other hand, I probably make more than all the people who bullied me combined.
 
2013-02-15 03:03:40 PM
No we really don't need to teach kids to "fight back" we really need to teach bullies that there are serious consequences to bullying. Why? Well because in the real world there is. You go and beat someone up as an adult, you go to jail if you are lucky. If you are unlucky, they may just shoot you. Kids need to learn that bullying has consequences before those consequences are something that can screw up your life.
 
2013-02-15 03:22:12 PM

maelstrom0370: Only bullying CSB I have:

It's 1st grade and I'm getting terrrorized by this 2nd or 3rd grader every day. Fights in the school yard, chases me home, the whole nine yards. My dad, for reasons I can't recall, taught me how to make a "slush ball" (It was winter time).
So I'm running home, again, and I desperately scoop up a double handful of slush and snow (thinking I could distract him or something). I wad it up, turn and blindly throw it back at him.
I take no credit whatsoever. To this day, I swear the God of picked on children guided my snowball. In making my hastily packed slush ball, I must've scooped up some gravel as well. It hit him square on the nose and busted it open like a ripe melon. Next thing I knew, there was screaming and blood...LOTS of blood! I ran home crying I was so scared. This was 1976 or '77 so there were no lawsuits or anything like that. All I knew was he had a bandage over his nose the next day, his face was swollen up and I never got chased home again.
No ITG, I didn't exploit the fact that he didn't chase me. I was still scared of him and avoided him at all costs. It wasn't until years later that I realized he also started avoiding me!!
As for the rest of my school years, I hit my growth spurt when I was 12 and was 6'3" in the 5th grade. I wasn't a tough guy by any means, just big enough to make other guys think twice.


Similar CSB, bro!  When I was in 6th or 7th grade I was chased home daily by a big high schooler in my neighborhood.  One day he almost caught me, but I turned mid-stride and threw my backpack at him.  To my surprise, it tangled up his legs and he sprawled/skid into the grass, totally ruining his perfectly white Miami Vice style pants.  I kept on running and got about 50 ft away.

He was pissed.  First he yelled at me for ruining his pants, then he yelled, "You'll have to get your backpack sometime!".  I told him to keep it.  Let him try to explain to my parents why he had it.  Then he spun up like a shot-putter and flung the backpack toward me.  No more chases after that, but did have one further run-in with him.  But that's a CSB for another time.
 
2013-02-15 03:32:17 PM

lack of warmth: WhyKnot: Smeggy Smurf: Quigs: Knucklepopper: WhyKnot: As a father of grade schoolers, although we have avoided any bullying this far, it is a concern.

I think if my kid was beat up or continually picked on, my first stop would be the principal next would be the police. Next I would find out who the parents are (including following the bully home I needed). I would confront, threaten if needed, the ass-bags and tell them if anything happens, I will be back. If it continues I would be back at the kids house to follow through on my threat. Additionally, I would make a poster of the kid and publicly sham him/her. If the school or parents had an issue with the shaming I would confront them (on camera) asking why they are so worried about protecting a bully, but not the victims of such bullying.

I wasn't picked on, so I don't expect my kids to be picked on... kids seem to walk the same line the parents walked.

You are terrifying and sound insane.

This.

Good.  More chickenshiats need to be terrified that their actions will get their asses beaten.

Ummm...I wouldn't threatened the bully (okay maybe I would), I would threatened the bully's parents...including mom....just putting it out there that juvenile bullies are bullies because they aren't challenged on being a bully by adults.

Oh, I would also sue the hell out of the school, the principal individually, and the bully's family.

Again, my kids aren't being bullied (nor are they bullies), so this is all ITG stuff at this point, but I know I wouldn't just take it or just sit back and let the school resolve the situation.

I did have a very unfortunately interaction with a dog owner after her dog attacked mine while I was walking him. After a few well placed kicks that dog ran home with his tail between his legs. I will defend what is mine. :-)

You do remember you are the adult right.  As in, you are more likely to get arrested than your kid.  Force the issue with the principal, but stalking and threatening will only get you submitted on Fark, as opposed to commenting in a thread.  Talking big right now, will in time mean nothing when the real problem surfaces.  Most parents I knew who claimed what they will do if their kids are bullied ended up with bullies for kids.  Kids who are taught to take an aggressive stance may become aggressive (no duh in hind sight, but true).  Start with that war front before worrying about bullies.  Not all kids get bullied, only my oldest was bullied, teach them to be civil and courteous first.  My second son had no fear about taking on his older brother's bullies, but even he won't start a fight.

I have thought of it, but I won't cross that criminal line.  My kids wouldn't be any better off with me in jail.


MY kids are quite and shy, they aren't going to end up as bullies.

I didn't say stalk, I said find where they live, following them if I must.

I don't train my kids to be aggressive; daughter wouldn't fight even if I tried to get her to. Sons maybe, but I doubt it.

I expressed I was being an ITG. I wouldn't go after he kid, the father, yeah maybe. As for going to jail, well it would be hard to prove the rock through their front window was from me. Or that the second rock through the window was me.

Schools do not address bullying like they should, because the bully's parent has some sob story why little Johnny is acting out, and the school just hopes the situation will heal itself.
 
2013-02-15 03:45:56 PM

WhyKnot: lack of warmth: WhyKnot: Smeggy Smurf: Quigs: Knucklepopper: WhyKnot: As a father of grade schoolers, although we have avoided any bullying this far, it is a concern.

I think if my kid was beat up or continually picked on, my first stop would be the principal next would be the police. Next I would find out who the parents are (including following the bully home I needed). I would confront, threaten if needed, the ass-bags and tell them if anything happens, I will be back. If it continues I would be back at the kids house to follow through on my threat. Additionally, I would make a poster of the kid and publicly sham him/her. If the school or parents had an issue with the shaming I would confront them (on camera) asking why they are so worried about protecting a bully, but not the victims of such bullying.

I wasn't picked on, so I don't expect my kids to be picked on... kids seem to walk the same line the parents walked.

You are terrifying and sound insane.

This.

Good.  More chickenshiats need to be terrified that their actions will get their asses beaten.

Ummm...I wouldn't threatened the bully (okay maybe I would), I would threatened the bully's parents...including mom....just putting it out there that juvenile bullies are bullies because they aren't challenged on being a bully by adults.

Oh, I would also sue the hell out of the school, the principal individually, and the bully's family.

Again, my kids aren't being bullied (nor are they bullies), so this is all ITG stuff at this point, but I know I wouldn't just take it or just sit back and let the school resolve the situation.

I did have a very unfortunately interaction with a dog owner after her dog attacked mine while I was walking him. After a few well placed kicks that dog ran home with his tail between his legs. I will defend what is mine. :-)

You do remember you are the adult right.  As in, you are more likely to get arrested than your kid.  Force the issue with the principal, but stalking and threatening will only get you submitted on Fark, as opposed to commenting in a thread.  Talking big right now, will in time mean nothing when the real problem surfaces.  Most parents I knew who claimed what they will do if their kids are bullied ended up with bullies for kids.  Kids who are taught to take an aggressive stance may become aggressive (no duh in hind sight, but true).  Start with that war front before worrying about bullies.  Not all kids get bullied, only my oldest was bullied, teach them to be civil and courteous first.  My second son had no fear about taking on his older brother's bullies, but even he won't start a fight.

I have thought of it, but I won't cross that criminal line.  My kids wouldn't be any better off with me in jail.

MY kids are quite and shy, they aren't going to end up as bullies.

I didn't say stalk, I said find where they live, following them if I must.

I don't train my kids to be aggressive; daughter wouldn't fight even if I tried to get her to. Sons maybe, but I doubt it.

I expressed I was being an ITG. I wouldn't go after he kid, the father, yeah maybe. As for going to jail, well it would be hard to prove the rock through their front window was from me. Or that the second rock through the window was me.

Schools do not address bullying like they should, because the bully's parent has some sob story why little Johnny is acting out, and the school just hopes the situation will heal itself.


I reiterate my points. Terrifying. Insane.
 
2013-02-15 04:27:07 PM

dj_bigbird: . If the bullying were carried to its logical conclusions, these weaklings would be destroyed and they wouldn't pollute the gene pool.  Females see the dominance of the strong ("bullies") and want to mate with them,


I don't agree. In my experience bullies were actually the wimpy ones. They only go after somebody think they is weak, then once that person does ONE thing back to them they completely give up bullying them. In my school there was only one bully who was actually capable of fighting anybody and the other bullies just kind of hid behind him.

To me it's not strong or impressive. I think they have emotional issues that they are not capable of handling like normal people are, and insecurity issues. I always thought of them as emotionally wimpy and not very smart. Unable to handle things and lashing out, not thinking much....

Schools don't seem to take bulling seriously unless the person bullies an adult then oh no ... now it's super serious.
 
2013-02-15 04:30:17 PM

Knucklepopper: Snarfangel: Psycoholic_Slag: Knucklepopper: In before the "Well, that sure as shiat never happened to me in school! I dealt with my bullies by giving them a proper ass-kicking!" Oh wait.

Yes, because every kid ever bullied just stood there and took it.  Not one kid ever fought back. Ever.

What about that one time?

This is Fark. There is no "one time." This is an utter den of brooding Chuck Norris' and gladiatorial man-sweat. These Internet warriors have been killers since kindergarten. Killers! So you just go be a pussy somewhere else!


Yeah, this.
 
2013-02-15 04:33:15 PM

Rik01: I recall this little guy -- short. About 4 feet tall and handsome as heck. He was, I found out later, a Primordial Dwarf, meaning everything was in perfect proportion to his stature.


Meaning that statistically, his penis was probably between 3-4 inches at full mast.  But we already knew that, because he was a bully.
 
2013-02-15 04:42:10 PM

Quigs: Psycoholic_Slag: Cold_Sassy: Psycoholic_Slag: Cold_Sassy: Snarfangel: dj_bigbird: Bullying is an evolutionary/biological imperative. It's a way for the strong to weed out the weak from the gene pool (or for the weak to find the strength to fight back and become one of the strong). If the bullying were carried to its logical conclusions, these weaklings would be destroyed and they wouldn't pollute the gene pool.  Females see the dominance of the strong ("bullies") and want to mate with them, thus producing a stronger offspring.

Or the weak to gang together in large groups, producing civilization.

Or, what about the smart geek who lays an ambush?

Or, the passive-aggressive who keys your car in the parking lot?


Yes.  That would be you.

What's more chicken sh*t than fu*king with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fu*k with another man's vehicle.
You don't do it.
It's just against the rules.

Not always. In college, some asshole parked to the left of my car, but  diagnoally, so that the front of his vehicle was half in the spot to the left, and the rear of his vehicle was behind mine. I was stuck until the person in the spot in front of me came and pulled out, so I could go forward and leave. Before I did, I keyed the shiat out of the asshole's car. Only time I've ever keyed someone, and the guy deserved much worse.


Holy shiat, this. He deserved 4 flat tires.
 
2013-02-15 04:45:19 PM
Violence most definitely solves *everything*. There is quite literally not a single situation in existence that cannot be solved definitively with violence. If you're being bullied, your goal should be to make a single devastating preemptive attack. Even if you don't win decisively, you can still hopefully do enough damage to dissuade the bully from messing with you again.I was bullied for a stretch and it didn't stop until I came to this realization and acted on it myself. No bully is going to sit down and "talk about your differences" over tea or something. Know why? Because bullies generally don't need "differences" or "reasons" for their actions. Bullies bully because bullying is fun and kids are dicks.
 
2013-02-15 04:46:31 PM

Callous: And the attacker is wearing black military style assault shoes.  We need common sense legislation to curb this kind of shoe violence.


My kid was sent home from middle school for wearing potentially dangerous "biker" boots.

In truth, I thought they were dangerous because they would slow him down.  He was small for his age, but fast.
 
2013-02-15 04:56:44 PM
The whole "not fighting back" thing is inexcusable. When someone hits you first you have a right to self-defense. Don't stand there like you're 2-3 standard deviations below the IQ mean Who the hell would just stand there and take a beating?
 
2013-02-15 05:01:00 PM

Master Sphincter: Not fighting back is a sign of intelligence, as walking away probably keeps him from getting seriously hurt by this gang of canadians. Unfortunately for this poor soul, the system forces him to endure the agression for years and years.  Seriously, bullied kids have it worst than most adults.  Once you grow up you can complain, change jobs, sue, threaten to sue etc, etc.

/not racist, but I knew they were before I clicked the link
/maybe a little racist


It's not racism to expect certain behaviors from certain races based on correlation between behavior and race.  Racism involves deeming one  race to be superior or inferior to another.  So just remain neutral on the value of violence and you won't be a racist.
 
2013-02-15 05:06:54 PM

kregh99: A few points that are consistent in every bullying case I've ever seen:
1. The parents of the kid that threw the punches are just as disgusting and vile as the bully himself.  If you wonder where he learned his craft from, it's his parents.
2. Nancy boy needs to learn to stick up for himself.  He's only proven that he can take a beating.  Get some aikido/jujitsu lessons.  Twice the damage, half the effort.  When your attacker is recovering from compound fractures, he'll be reminded to not fark with you again.
3. Rest assured, the school will do one of two things:  Ignore the situation completely, or punish the wrong child.


Well, OK, but aikido isn't about doing damage. Its techniques are designed to help you defend yourself while protecting your opponent from harm.
 
2013-02-15 05:11:24 PM
Superintendent:  "there is always another side -- not that it's the right side, but something that we basically need to take a look at to find out exactly what happened. Even from this morning's investigation, we have found some discrepancy with what was originally reported."

They're trying to hang everybody.
 
2013-02-15 05:44:33 PM
It's the same exact reason why switching sides of the street when you see a black dude walking towards you isn't so much "racist" as it is "recognizing commonly occurring patterns".
 
2013-02-15 09:19:20 PM

H31N0US: Would have been less horrific if he fought back.

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Great movie.  Buddy Revelle is my alias.
 
2013-02-15 10:20:05 PM
As a kid I always I had a knack for getting into it with bullies. Fortunately for me, I had a knack for brawling too. If I were to be totally honest, I absolutely loved a good fight -- especially if I was outnumbered and we could get a lot of blood everywhere. Oh, the theater of it. As an adult I sometimes feel kind of bad for having put the hurt on some of those people, even though they well had it coming and certainly intended to rough me up.  But the more I see these videos of bullies beating on kids that don't even put their hands up to fend off the assault, the more I'm reminded of why I was so quick to throw the first punch, and I kind of wish I'd hurt a few of the bullies of my day just a wee bit more. Violence is bad though. Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind and all that.
 
2013-02-16 11:43:44 AM
 
2013-02-16 10:53:48 PM
This was pretty much my whole school experience. Even after I broke the foot of the school's star quarterback, it never got any better... I just got threatened with expulsion if I ever fought back again.

/and the funny thing was, I didn't even fight back that time
//I was holding the bathroom stall door shut to keep away, while the QB and the whole damn football team was trying to force it open while the teacher watched
///after nearly a minute of this, the door came off its hinges and fell on his foot, and his wailing and crying was the only reason the teacher intervened
 
2013-02-17 04:02:59 AM

Knucklepopper: WhyKnot: lack of warmth: WhyKnot: Smeggy Smurf: Quigs: Knucklepopper: WhyKnot: As a father of grade schoolers, although we have avoided any bullying this far, it is a concern.

I think if my kid was beat up or continually picked on, my first stop would be the principal next would be the police. Next I would find out who the parents are (including following the bully home I needed). I would confront, threaten if needed, the ass-bags and tell them if anything happens, I will be back. If it continues I would be back at the kids house to follow through on my threat. Additionally, I would make a poster of the kid and publicly sham him/her. If the school or parents had an issue with the shaming I would confront them (on camera) asking why they are so worried about protecting a bully, but not the victims of such bullying.

I wasn't picked on, so I don't expect my kids to be picked on... kids seem to walk the same line the parents walked.

You are terrifying and sound insane.

This.

Good.  More chickenshiats need to be terrified that their actions will get their asses beaten.

Ummm...I wouldn't threatened the bully (okay maybe I would), I would threatened the bully's parents...including mom....just putting it out there that juvenile bullies are bullies because they aren't challenged on being a bully by adults.

Oh, I would also sue the hell out of the school, the principal individually, and the bully's family.

Again, my kids aren't being bullied (nor are they bullies), so this is all ITG stuff at this point, but I know I wouldn't just take it or just sit back and let the school resolve the situation.

I did have a very unfortunately interaction with a dog owner after her dog attacked mine while I was walking him. After a few well placed kicks that dog ran home with his tail between his legs. I will defend what is mine. :-)

You do remember you are the adult right.  As in, you are more likely to get arrested than your kid.  Force the issue with the principal, but stalking ...


 Eh, you guys calling this guy "Terrifying" and "Insane" scare easily.

 Guy figuring out where the kid lives so he can lawyer up or talk to the parents, if/when the school won't do anything, is hardly scary. Well, maybe if you're the parent of the bully it might be....

 ...wait, I think I see what the issue is.
 
2013-02-17 10:51:12 AM

Tatterdemalian: This was pretty much my whole school experience. Even after I broke the foot of the school's star quarterback, it never got any better... I just got threatened with expulsion if I ever fought back again.

/and the funny thing was, I didn't even fight back that time
//I was holding the bathroom stall door shut to keep away, while the QB and the whole damn football team was trying to force it open while the teacher watched
///after nearly a minute of this, the door came off its hinges and fell on his foot, and his wailing and crying was the only reason the teacher intervened


Wow. that's a nice big pile of bullshiat, right there. Have you been playing the victim all your life, or just here? I bet you still whine to anyone who will listen about how they are all out to get you.
 
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