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2013-02-15 07:30:33 AM
Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?
 
2013-02-15 08:03:35 AM

MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?


He doesn't care. He's got his district locked up.

I honestly think he wants to deal, at least with the sequester, but Cantor keeps screwing him over. Dude's a little whiny douche, but Boehner has no balls
 
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2013-02-15 08:19:06 AM

somedude210: MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?

He doesn't care. He's got his district locked up.

I honestly think he wants to deal, at least with the sequester, but Cantor keeps screwing him over. Dude's a little whiny douche, but Boehner has no balls


The sad thing is that for people from solidly red districts, there is more gain in maintaining the status quo than in getting things done.
 
2013-02-15 08:19:52 AM
Like chuck Todd said earlier this week:  These domestic goals are relatively small bore, but they poll extremely well - like 60%+ on both left and right well.  Of course, Obama wants these items accomplished, but he's also laid a political and rhetorical trap for the GOP.  So far, they're running right into it, Leroy Jenkins style.
 
2013-02-15 08:23:49 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Like chuck Todd said earlier this week:  These domestic goals are relatively small bore, but they poll extremely well - like 60%+ on both left and right well.  Of course, Obama wants these items accomplished, but he's also laid a political and rhetorical trap for the GOP.  So far, they're running right into it, Leroy Jenkins style.


The initiatives may be small scope-wise, but they do do a great deal, like getting our bridges up to code, upgrading the infrastructure in general and getting our shiat together at home. It polls well but it also does well for the country too.

vpb: The sad thing is that for people from solidly red districts, there is more gain in maintaining the status quo than in getting things done.


change is a terrible thing to waste
 
2013-02-15 09:15:14 AM

MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?


it does seem that way sometimes, doesn't it?  No, I think he's very much aware of how much the GOP lost in the recent election(s)....but he knows his limits.  his own party won't let him compromise.  the GOP has made it clear that they will block Obama every chance they get.  it's sort of their way of getting back at Obama for winning: shut down his legislative agenda, deny Obama as much as possible, block everything he does, then blame him for anything/everything that goes wrong.  Remember - in the Republican view, all of this is justified.  it's necessary.  they're not being obstructionist assholes, they're 'saving the country'.  they're doing this FOR YOU.  even if you don't want it, because if you don't agree with the Republican strategy then you are obviously 'low information' voter guy.

it's kinda neat seeing how the Republicans block out reality like that.
 
2013-02-15 09:18:09 AM
Boehner needs to get tougher on Obama and constantly remind him that he isn't king of America.
 
2013-02-15 09:22:28 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Boehner needs to get tougher on Obama and constantly remind him that he isn't king of America.


yes but according to Republican logic - if you win an election then you should get to do anything/everything you want.  you have A MANDATE, an explicit and direct command from We The People to go forth and do things in their name.  nobody should get in your way, that would be EVIL!

so i'm not sure how those conflicting beliefs work within the GOP echo chamber.
 
2013-02-15 09:23:23 AM

Weaver95: it does seem that way sometimes, doesn't it? No, I think he's very much aware of how much the GOP lost in the recent election(s)....but he knows his limits. his own party won't let him compromise. the GOP has made it clear that they will block Obama every chance they get. it's sort of their way of getting back at Obama for winning: shut down his legislative agenda, deny Obama as much as possible, block everything he does, then blame him for anything/everything that goes wrong. Remember - in the Republican view, all of this is justified. it's necessary. they're not being obstructionist assholes, they're 'saving the country'. they're doing this FOR YOU. even if you don't want it, because if you don't agree with the Republican strategy then you are obviously 'low information' voter guy.


I'm still going with "Boehner wants to compromise, but Cantor stays creepily close to him with knife in hand" theory as the reason why he won't work on these proposals.

Does the Tea Party realize that if they work on these proposals and pass these proposals, the voters could very well see them in a far better light than the ignorant pissants they see them as now? If their ultimate goal is to save their own collective asses, then why do things that goes against what the people want/will go for? It's like they're accelerating their death by refusing to acknowledge the gun they're pointing to their head as they pull the trigger
 
2013-02-15 09:27:49 AM
Go fark yourself Boehner, and any urethras defending him
 
2013-02-15 09:28:35 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Like chuck Todd said earlier this week:  These domestic goals are relatively small bore, but they poll extremely well - like 60%+ on both left and right well.  Of course, Obama wants these items accomplished, but he's also laid a political and rhetorical trap for the GOP.  So far, they're running right into it, Leroy Jenkins style.


"At least I farked that chicken"
 
2013-02-15 09:29:02 AM
somedude210:
Does the Tea Party realize that if they work on these proposals and pass these proposals, the voters could very well see them in a far better light than the ignorant pissants they see them as now? If their ultimate goal is to save their own collective asses, then why do things that goes against what the people want/will go for? It's like they're accelerating their death by refusing to acknowledge the gun they're pointing to their head as they pull the trigger

well...if I had to guess, I'd say the tea baggers don't really care what the rest of the country thinks about them.  they're on a mission from god, or ayn rand, which is close enough to the same thing in their eyes.  anything they do to f*ck up Obama - NO MATTER THE COST to the country - is completely justified in their view.  they've got their list of issues as well (not just mental ones, actual legislative goals is what I'm talking about), and they plan on pushing them hard as they can.  thing is, most tea baggers are bottom barrel low seniority types.  they get to make noise but not do anything really important.  if they stick together tho, they can warp legislative agendas of more senior members of even their own party.  they could drag the GOP off course and start mucking things up.
 
2013-02-15 09:30:35 AM

MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?


It is quite possible he was blackout drunk then.
 
2013-02-15 09:33:09 AM
The push for a higher minimum wage is a no-lose situation for Democrats.
 
2013-02-15 09:33:11 AM

Weaver95: well...if I had to guess, I'd say the tea baggers don't really care what the rest of the country thinks about them. they're on a mission from god, or ayn rand, which is close enough to the same thing in their eyes. anything they do to f*ck up Obama - NO MATTER THE COST to the country - is completely justified in their view. they've got their list of issues as well (not just mental ones, actual legislative goals is what I'm talking about), and they plan on pushing them hard as they can. thing is, most tea baggers are bottom barrel low seniority types. they get to make noise but not do anything really important. if they stick together tho, they can warp legislative agendas of more senior members of even their own party. they could drag the GOP off course and start mucking things up.


It could be that the teabagger voters think this way, but a politician is a politician is a politician and I think they know they need to do enough to keep their seats. But their logic never ceases to defy my expectations so who knows
 
2013-02-15 09:45:52 AM
somedude210:
It could be that the teabagger voters think this way, but a politician is a politician is a politician and I think they know they need to do enough to keep their seats. But their logic never ceases to defy my expectations so who knows

i'm not sure the 'baggers want to stay in office more than one or two terms.  they seem determined to stay in office, f*ck things up as much as possible, then quit the job and go back to living in their doomsday prepper farms out in the wilderness.
 
2013-02-15 09:46:14 AM

Jackson Herring: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Like chuck Todd said earlier this week:  These domestic goals are relatively small bore, but they poll extremely well - like 60%+ on both left and right well.  Of course, Obama wants these items accomplished, but he's also laid a political and rhetorical trap for the GOP.  So far, they're running right into it, Leroy Jenkins style.

"At least I farked that chicken"


LMAO!
 
2013-02-15 09:52:35 AM

Weaver95: somedude210:
It could be that the teabagger voters think this way, but a politician is a politician is a politician and I think they know they need to do enough to keep their seats. But their logic never ceases to defy my expectations so who knows

i'm not sure the 'baggers want to stay in office more than one or two terms.  they seem determined to stay in office, f*ck things up as much as possible, then quit the job and go back to living in their doomsday prepper farms out in the wilderness.


So a "Fark you, I did my job, economy be damned" sorta thing?
 
2013-02-15 09:54:32 AM
I don't blame Boehner, in fact here he is just doing his job. His job (as he sees it, and as the 47% of people who voted against Obama see it) is to be a total asshole and be against anything Obama is for.

Why should he help Obama do anything? Obama is a lame duck President. Rubio 2016.

/that is how Republicans think.
 
2013-02-15 10:00:46 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: well...if I had to guess, I'd say the tea baggers don't really care what the rest of the country thinks about them. they're on a mission from god, or ayn rand, which is close enough to the same thing in their eyes. anything they do to f*ck up Obama - NO MATTER THE COST to the country - is completely justified in their view. they've got their list of issues as well (not just mental ones, actual legislative goals is what I'm talking about), and they plan on pushing them hard as they can. thing is, most tea baggers are bottom barrel low seniority types. they get to make noise but not do anything really important. if they stick together tho, they can warp legislative agendas of more senior members of even their own party. they could drag the GOP off course and start mucking things up.

It could be that the teabagger voters think this way, but a politician is a politician is a politician and I think they know they need to do enough to keep their seats. But their logic never ceases to defy my expectations so who knows


They're using the same strategy for 2014 that they used in 2012. It may not work the way they anticipate.
 
2013-02-15 10:01:37 AM

vernonFL: I don't blame Boehner, in fact here he is just doing his job. His job (as he sees it, and as the 47% of people who voted against Obama see it) is to be a total asshole and be against anything Obama is for.

Why should he help Obama do anything? Obama is a lame duck President. Rubio 2016.

/that is how Republicans think.


Also, with a whole bunch of seats fairly safe for the next 10 years through control of the state legislatures and gerrymandering, the House GOP doesn't really have an incentive to play to the moderates.
 
2013-02-15 10:12:20 AM

MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?


John Boehner and a majority of his colleagues won their last election. What does he have to worry about?
 
2013-02-15 10:16:43 AM
How many times has Boehner said no this year?  How many times has he retreated?  He can come up with whatever funny hashtag he wants, the #Obamaquester or the #Barackopacolypse, but the people know who's responsible for all of this.
 
2013-02-15 10:22:57 AM
FTFA: In the House, we're going to continue our focus on the American people's top priorities-creating jobs and cutting spending INVADING UTERUSES.

Where's the jobs bill, asshole?
 
2013-02-15 10:30:50 AM
He didn't say no
He just said go pass something in the senate first

He knows that 0bamas ideas won't pass the democrat senate so it makes no sense to have the house be viewed ass he only ones who said no
 
2013-02-15 10:34:17 AM
Should we start calling him 'Pass the buck Boehner'?

Sounds like he is sure trying to push the blame for any lack of actions to somebody else.
 
2013-02-15 10:39:45 AM
"This isn't the agenda that Americans are looking for"

It was in November, has this changed in the last three months?
 
2013-02-15 10:39:57 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: He didn't say no
He just said go pass something in the senate first

He knows that 0bamas ideas won't pass the democrat senate so it makes no sense to have the house be viewed ass he only ones who said no


You are so adorable when you stamp your feet like that.  Please, proceed.
 
2013-02-15 10:40:37 AM
This is nothing new, Boner knows he's useless so he has to ask the president to do his job for him.
 
2013-02-15 10:40:42 AM
This guy?

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2013-02-15 10:41:18 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: vernonFL: I don't blame Boehner, in fact here he is just doing his job. His job (as he sees it, and as the 47% of people who voted against Obama see it) is to be a total asshole and be against anything Obama is for.

Why should he help Obama do anything? Obama is a lame duck President. Rubio 2016.

/that is how Republicans think.

Also, with a whole bunch of seats fairly safe for the next 10 years through control of the state legislatures and gerrymandering, the House GOP doesn't really have an incentive to play to the moderates.


Borrowed time.  Eventually, places like Georgia and Texas will be swing states.
 
2013-02-15 10:43:23 AM
Why do we have giant fasces on the walls Capital?
 
2013-02-15 10:43:41 AM
So, to recap:

Boehner: "The President is failing to lead people and offer proposals."
Obama: "Here are my proposals.  Bring them to your House."
Boehner: "I'm sorry, someone else will have to do it."

\who is the failed leader again?
 
2013-02-15 10:45:22 AM

MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?


From Boehner's perspective, the last election went swimmingly, as the GOP maintained control of the House of Representatives...
 
2013-02-15 10:45:32 AM
He's got a point:  why would a Republican-led house enact a Democratic president's agenda?  The Democrats control the Senate - let them draw up Obama's bills.
 
2013-02-15 10:46:19 AM

MmmmBacon: Did Boehner forget so soon how the last election went?


Did Boehner lose an election? Why is he still there?
 
2013-02-15 10:47:15 AM

Lsherm: He's got a point:  why would a Republican-led house enact a Democratic president's agenda?


See also: why should Dems propose spending cuts that the GOP desires? You want cuts, name them.
 
2013-02-15 10:49:00 AM
Actually, Obama's lameduckness is already warming up.

And the idea that all non-white people are just automatically going to be left wing crazy Democrats forever continues to be dumb, and of the you wish category.

It's funny watching how racist liberals are toward any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation. More are doing it all the time. Get used to it.
 
2013-02-15 10:49:29 AM

Wyalt Derp: "This isn't the agenda that Americans are looking for"

It was in November, has this changed in the last three months?


Republicans know what Americans really want.

When Americans say things like "We want universal background checks for all gun purchases and a higher minimum wage," what they really mean is, we want you to keep f*cking that gorgeous Benghazi chicken, and try a 35th time to repeal Obamacare."
 
2013-02-15 10:49:30 AM

PonceAlyosha: Why do we have giant fasces on the walls Capital?


As a symbol of the Roman Republic. They've been there since before the advent of Fascism as an ideology.
 
2013-02-15 10:50:22 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Actually, Obama's lameduckness is already warming up.

And the idea that all non-white people are just automatically going to be left wing crazy Democrats forever continues to be dumb, and of the you wish category.

It's funny watching how racist liberals are toward any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation. More are doing it all the time. Get used to it.


Yeah, that's definitely it. You've got us all figured out.
 
2013-02-15 10:50:46 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Actually, Obama's lameduckness is already warming up.

And the idea that all non-white people are just automatically going to be left wing crazy Democrats forever continues to be dumb, and of the you wish category.

It's funny watching how racist liberals are toward any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation. More are doing it all the time. Get used to it.



Keep projecting. It might work someday.
 
2013-02-15 10:51:26 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Actually, Obama's lameduckness is already warming up.

And the idea that all non-white people are just automatically going to be left wing crazy Democrats forever continues to be dumb, and of the you wish category.

It's funny watching how racist liberals are toward any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation. More are doing it all the time. Get used to it.


Didn't you call Romney in a landslide?
 
2013-02-15 10:51:31 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Actually, Obama's lameduckness is already warming up.

And the idea that all non-white people are just automatically going to be left wing crazy Democrats forever continues to be dumb, and of the you wish category.

It's funny watching how racist liberals are toward any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation. More are doing it all the time. Get used to it.


What the hell are you talking about?
 
2013-02-15 10:51:58 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: He didn't say no
He just said go pass something in the senate first

He knows that 0bamas ideas won't pass the democrat senate so it makes no sense to have the house be viewed ass he only ones who said no


Didnt Pelosi finally bow to the fact that the senate is broken and at the end said to heck with passing bill after bill to have them not pass through the senate... how about you send me one this time.
 
2013-02-15 10:53:09 AM
I am going to take every opportunity for the next two years to remind everyone that the GOP lost the popular vote for the House, and that except for gerrymandering, there would legitimately be a small Democratic minority and Pelosi would be speaker.
 
2013-02-15 10:54:08 AM
*majority I meant to say
 
2013-02-15 10:54:12 AM

PonceAlyosha: Why do we have giant fasces on the walls Capital?


Too cheap to hire actual lictors.
 
2013-02-15 10:54:26 AM
Force them to start in the Senate, then filibuster everything in the Senate. Then blame the President and Democrats. Rinse, repeat.
 
2013-02-15 10:55:52 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Actually, Obama's lameduckness is already warming up.

And the idea that all non-white people are just automatically going to be left wing crazy Democrats forever continues to be dumb, and of the you wish category.

It's funny watching how racist liberals are toward any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation. More are doing it all the time. Get used to it.


Using loaded phrases like 'escaping the plantation' is not exactly welcoming to African Americans.

Nor is lumping everyone that doesn't have mostly European (but not Spainish or Portugese) ancestry under the term 'non-white' going to convince the people you're talking about to give you real consideration.

In fact, and I hate to say it, but it sounds kinda racist.
 
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