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(US Army)   Mouth device being developed by US Army shown to treat TBI, Parkinsons, and Multiple Sclerosis. Still no cure for budget cuts   (army.mil) divider line 11
    More: Interesting, mental functions, austerities, multiple sclerosis, U.S. Naval Academy, University of Wisconsin, clinical trials, cure, Montel Williams  
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2013-02-15 10:55:57 AM
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TofuTheAlmighty: Be that as it may, there is no good reason for the military to have such a huge influence on which research wells to plumb. The benefits that accrue to civilians from DoD-funded research are nice side effects. Their research is to best figure out how to kill people and heal those who've been wounded. That's an enormous and dangerous thumb on the scale.


  War is a reality.  And you would be amazed at how many soldiers/sailors/marines now survive battlefield injuries that would have been lethal 10 years ago.  Last time I was at ISR, we had a Marine arrive missing both arms and a leg.  The injury happened 48 hours prior in Afghanistan, and within those 48 hours he had been transported from the battlefield to San Antonio and stabilized.  When you see things like that, you realize that it's research money well spent.  Until you figure out a way to end wars, I'm all for spending money to reduce mortality/morbidity in the wounded.  And the same technology that saved this Marine is being used daily to save people injured in things like car accidents.
2013-02-15 11:06:38 AM
2 votes:

Shadowknight: umad: VoodooTaco: Plus, using the Internet to whine about research being funneled through the DoD makes me sad, facepalm.

This. The people that biatch about DoD research aren't any better than the morons who biatch about NASA. The side effect in both cases is that we get cool shiat.

I'm not complaining, exactly.  While I am sure there are a couple peaceful outcomes to designing yet another missile (improved guidance systems, propulsion systems, new fuels to possibly extend the space program), the main thrust of this research is just to kill more people more efficiently.

It's nice to see some of this going to medical research and fixing those broken to support our endless forays into the battlefield.


I get where you're coming from, but would like to offer something to chew on.   Much of our advances in defense are designed for posturing purposes, and specifically to avoid killing more people.  The nuclear race for example - the threat of mutually assured distruction has specifically avoided war (Cold War) and has forced us to pursue nonviolent diplomatic solutions.  As a force, (especially the Navy), we engage in force projection.  (Not that I personally think we do but - ) why do we need 11 carriers?  To project force and deter other nations from acting hostile.  The advances and advantages we have earned can help us deterr conflict.

Clearly, this is not always the case - which is why I understand your point.  While in an ideal world we'd pump all our research into industry and academia, the fact remains that we will advance our military technology to keep pace with our (potential) adversaries because we will have conflict.  As I see it, pumping R&D into defense kills threebirds with one stone; advancing science and tech in general, and keeping us out of conflict (as much as possible), and shortening conflict once we're in it (due to superior technology).
2013-02-15 10:24:33 AM
2 votes:
Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!
2013-02-15 10:58:37 AM
1 votes:

Carn: That's great!  Any chance for more early trials in other states?


 The next up coming trials I believe will be at UW Madison.  There are only 2 labs that I know of (UW and Nebraska) that are currently doing trials involving civilians.
2013-02-15 10:56:47 AM
1 votes:

umad: The research that goes into how to best kill who you want to kill without killing civilians or allies is why we have things like GPS and the internet. You're probably right though. We should go back to carpet bombing.


Look, I am not denying the good outcomes of this research.  Even the medical knowledge gained from the horribly unethical "research" done by the Nazis and Japanese (germ and bio warfare, mostly) really advanced our knowledge too.

But for once, it would be nice for a major leap like that to be made with government money that DOESN'T have it's main goal in blowing something up or making a lot of people dead.  It's the idealist in me, I know, but I'd love to see the general intent be one of peace for a change.
2013-02-15 10:42:30 AM
1 votes:

mark.jms: CPT Ethanolic: TofuTheAlmighty: Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!

  And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.

Yea, and a lot of basic and advanced robotics research gets done through DoD funding as well (I work at another Midwestern research university)

Research is research.


What they said.

Plus, using the Internet to whine about research being funneled through the DoD makes me sad, facepalm.
2013-02-15 10:35:55 AM
1 votes:

CPT Ethanolic: TofuTheAlmighty: Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!

  And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.


Yea, and a lot of basic and advanced robotics research gets done through DoD funding as well (I work at another Midwestern research university)

Research is research.
2013-02-15 10:31:42 AM
1 votes:

TofuTheAlmighty: Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!


  And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.
2013-02-15 10:31:40 AM
1 votes:
This is the kind of thing I wish more money went to.  Not researching new and inventive ways to blow up some brown people in a sand lot thousands of miles away because they had the audacity to be born on OUR oil.  Medical miracles like this, green and sustainable energy, an iPhone that doesn't lose reception whenever it feels like it...

All kidding aside, this is really freaking awesome.
2013-02-15 10:27:26 AM
1 votes:

ginandbacon: It's really really remarkable. Were you on the research/development team? This is a huge gift to a lot of patients and their families. It's just miraculous. You should be very proud of yourself.


 Not on the research team - they're at UW.  I'm active duty army and work to coordinate movement of this device through development and FDA.  Hoping to have FDA approval and to begin offering this device for public treatment in a year or two.  Montel Williams and his company with the UW team are gearing up for larger scale production.
2013-02-15 10:12:14 AM
1 votes:

ginandbacon: CPT Ethanolic: Here's a video showing one patients outcome using this device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6m8T8hBIE

OMG that made me weep like a baby. What a wonderful outcome. You owe me some tissues.


  There are some videos that are even more dramatic than that one, but they're not available publicly.  When Montel Williams started using this a few years ago he could hardly walk.  He went snowboarding 2 weeks ago.

/subby
//actually mentioned in the article
 
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