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(US Army)   Mouth device being developed by US Army shown to treat TBI, Parkinsons, and Multiple Sclerosis. Still no cure for budget cuts   (army.mil) divider line 99
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2013-02-15 09:58:48 AM
Does it allow you to perform "Do You Feel Like We Do"?
 
2013-02-15 10:00:13 AM
  Here's a video showing one patients outcome using this device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6m8T8hBIE
 
2013-02-15 10:01:36 AM
Whoa. That is really farking cool.
 
2013-02-15 10:05:43 AM

CPT Ethanolic: Here's a video showing one patients outcome using this device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6m8T8hBIE


OMG that made me weep like a baby. What a wonderful outcome. You owe me some tissues.
 
2013-02-15 10:12:14 AM

ginandbacon: CPT Ethanolic: Here's a video showing one patients outcome using this device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6m8T8hBIE

OMG that made me weep like a baby. What a wonderful outcome. You owe me some tissues.


  There are some videos that are even more dramatic than that one, but they're not available publicly.  When Montel Williams started using this a few years ago he could hardly walk.  He went snowboarding 2 weeks ago.

/subby
//actually mentioned in the article
 
2013-02-15 10:23:19 AM
A pity they don't have a "device" that "treats" the homosexual disorder.
 
2013-02-15 10:23:23 AM
New pick up line?

"Miss, I'd like to put my PoNS on your tongue."
 
2013-02-15 10:24:33 AM
Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!
 
2013-02-15 10:24:43 AM
It's really really remarkable. Were you on the research/development team? This is a huge gift to a lot of patients and their families. It's just miraculous. You should be very proud of yourself.
 
2013-02-15 10:25:20 AM
media.247sports.com

"Stop me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if we cure all the brain disorders, we're going to run out of recruits."
 
2013-02-15 10:25:30 AM

Jeff_Reisberg: A pity they don't have a "device" that "treats" the homosexual disorder.


Who needs a device when you have prayer?
 
2013-02-15 10:27:26 AM

ginandbacon: It's really really remarkable. Were you on the research/development team? This is a huge gift to a lot of patients and their families. It's just miraculous. You should be very proud of yourself.


 Not on the research team - they're at UW.  I'm active duty army and work to coordinate movement of this device through development and FDA.  Hoping to have FDA approval and to begin offering this device for public treatment in a year or two.  Montel Williams and his company with the UW team are gearing up for larger scale production.
 
2013-02-15 10:31:40 AM
This is the kind of thing I wish more money went to.  Not researching new and inventive ways to blow up some brown people in a sand lot thousands of miles away because they had the audacity to be born on OUR oil.  Medical miracles like this, green and sustainable energy, an iPhone that doesn't lose reception whenever it feels like it...

All kidding aside, this is really freaking awesome.
 
2013-02-15 10:31:42 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!


  And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.
 
2013-02-15 10:31:47 AM
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YOUR INVENTION IS GOOD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL GOOD!
 
2013-02-15 10:31:49 AM
Does it suck?.
 
2013-02-15 10:31:57 AM

CPT Ethanolic: ginandbacon: It's really really remarkable. Were you on the research/development team? This is a huge gift to a lot of patients and their families. It's just miraculous. You should be very proud of yourself.

 Not on the research team - they're at UW.  I'm active duty army and work to coordinate movement of this device through development and FDA.  Hoping to have FDA approval and to begin offering this device for public treatment in a year or two.  Montel Williams and his company with the UW team are gearing up for larger scale production.


That's frikkin awesome. The potential for treating TBIs is just incredible. If you ever make it to Baltimore, I will stand you a drink. Or two :)
 
2013-02-15 10:34:16 AM

CPT Ethanolic: ginandbacon: CPT Ethanolic: Here's a video showing one patients outcome using this device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6m8T8hBIE

OMG that made me weep like a baby. What a wonderful outcome. You owe me some tissues.

  There are some videos that are even more dramatic than that one, but they're not available publicly.  When Montel Williams started using this a few years ago he could hardly walk.  He went snowboarding 2 weeks ago.

/subby
//actually mentioned in the article


OK, I've got MS.

A combination of the stimulus presented with the device along with doing the activity with which you're having trouble - i.e., stick it in and walk, stick it in and stand, or, in my case, stick it in and work my left hand? Or is the brain not that directed, and it's going to be a general improvement, rather than an overall improvement?

Has there been anyone tested yet that, aside from gaining motor control, has reduced either numbness or oversensitivity in the extremities with which they have trouble?
 
2013-02-15 10:35:55 AM

CPT Ethanolic: TofuTheAlmighty: Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!

  And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.


Yea, and a lot of basic and advanced robotics research gets done through DoD funding as well (I work at another Midwestern research university)

Research is research.
 
2013-02-15 10:36:31 AM
Is it a gun?  That would get rid of those pesky diseases.
 
2013-02-15 10:36:52 AM
Get back to me when it treats TBA
 
2013-02-15 10:37:59 AM

CygnusDarius: Does it suck?.


img194.imageshack.us

Didn't suck.

/sorry, just watched that movie last night, it's on my mind
//did that amazing book justice, dangnabit.
 
2013-02-15 10:40:37 AM

mark.jms: CPT Ethanolic: ginandbacon: CPT Ethanolic: Here's a video showing one patients outcome using this device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6m8T8hBIE

OMG that made me weep like a baby. What a wonderful outcome. You owe me some tissues.

  There are some videos that are even more dramatic than that one, but they're not available publicly.  When Montel Williams started using this a few years ago he could hardly walk.  He went snowboarding 2 weeks ago.

/subby
//actually mentioned in the article

OK, I've got MS.

A combination of the stimulus presented with the device along with doing the activity with which you're having trouble - i.e., stick it in and walk, stick it in and stand, or, in my case, stick it in and work my left hand? Or is the brain not that directed, and it's going to be a general improvement, rather than an overall improvement?

Has there been anyone tested yet that, aside from gaining motor control, has reduced either numbness or oversensitivity in the extremities with which they have trouble?


 It's used in combinations with standard physical therapy.  There's another lab in Nebraska that's also using this device to treat MS.  You should look into getting put on one of the clinical trials.
 
2013-02-15 10:41:33 AM

CPT Ethanolic: You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.


or all that money could have been spent on research and 4000 plus soldiers would still be alive.
 
2013-02-15 10:42:30 AM

mark.jms: CPT Ethanolic: TofuTheAlmighty: Still no cure for budget cuts laundering basic science funding through the Pentagon

Probably more than half our research budget is funneled through the DoD. No distortions or perverse incentives there. But we gotta slash the NIH and NSF because socialism!

  And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.

Yea, and a lot of basic and advanced robotics research gets done through DoD funding as well (I work at another Midwestern research university)

Research is research.


What they said.

Plus, using the Internet to whine about research being funneled through the DoD makes me sad, facepalm.
 
2013-02-15 10:43:40 AM
IT REALLY WORKS!

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2013-02-15 10:43:48 AM
FORT DETRICK, Md. (Feb. 14, 2013) -- The tongue is an amazing organ.

Article is perfect, no need to read further...
 
2013-02-15 10:43:48 AM
Well, I hope MRMC keeps this going after their 9% budget cut.
 
2013-02-15 10:44:13 AM
Motherfark, we really are living in the future, aren't we?

And it is awesome.
 
2013-02-15 10:46:38 AM
My mom was recently diagnosed with early stage Parkinson's.  I hope this baby gets approved quickly!
 
2013-02-15 10:46:49 AM

squidgod2000: Well, I hope MRMC keeps this going after their 9% budget cut.


 It's getting very ugly on the funding side.  Not only have we not been given 2013 money, they're now TAKING BACK 2012 money that hasn't already been spent (originally had till Sept2013 to spend it). This sequester is killing DoD research.
 
2013-02-15 10:47:34 AM

Carn: My mom was recently diagnosed with early stage Parkinson's.  I hope this baby gets approved quickly!


We're hoping to have it through FDA in the next year or two.
 
2013-02-15 10:49:12 AM

VoodooTaco: Plus, using the Internet to whine about research being funneled through the DoD makes me sad, facepalm.


This. The people that biatch about DoD research aren't any better than the morons who biatch about NASA. The side effect in both cases is that we get cool shiat.
 
2013-02-15 10:49:24 AM

CPT Ethanolic: And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.


Be that as it may, there is no good reason for the military to have such a huge influence on which research wells to plumb. The benefits that accrue to civilians from DoD-funded research are nice side effects. Their research is to best figure out how to kill people and heal those who've been wounded. That's an enormous and dangerous thumb on the scale.
 
2013-02-15 10:52:01 AM

CPT Ethanolic: squidgod2000: Well, I hope MRMC keeps this going after their 9% budget cut.

 It's getting very ugly on the funding side.  Not only have we not been given 2013 money, they're now TAKING BACK 2012 money that hasn't already been spent (originally had till Sept2013 to spend it). This sequester is killing DoD research.


I'm on an Army contract and we're funded through Sept.   Supposedly we can get extended to March 2014 but I don't see that happening.
 
2013-02-15 10:52:03 AM

umad: VoodooTaco: Plus, using the Internet to whine about research being funneled through the DoD makes me sad, facepalm.

This. The people that biatch about DoD research aren't any better than the morons who biatch about NASA. The side effect in both cases is that we get cool shiat.


I'm not complaining, exactly.  While I am sure there are a couple peaceful outcomes to designing yet another missile (improved guidance systems, propulsion systems, new fuels to possibly extend the space program), the main thrust of this research is just to kill more people more efficiently. 

It's nice to see some of this going to medical research and fixing those broken to support our endless forays into the battlefield.
 
2013-02-15 10:53:18 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: CPT Ethanolic: And that DoD money funds civilian labs just like the NIH and NSF.  You'd be surprised how many things (like this device) that begin as a "needs of the army" have tremendous benefits to civilians.  You could argue that the last 10 years of war have, and will have, major benefits in advancing civilian emergency response, burn and bleeding treatment, and head injuries.  The army is also working with the NFL to treat concussive head injuries.

Be that as it may, there is no good reason for the military to have such a huge influence on which research wells to plumb. The benefits that accrue to civilians from DoD-funded research are nice side effects. Their research is to best figure out how to kill people and heal those who've been wounded. That's an enormous and dangerous thumb on the scale.


The research that goes into how to best kill who you want to kill without killing civilians or allies is why we have things like GPS and the internet. You're probably right though. We should go back to carpet bombing.
 
2013-02-15 10:53:30 AM

CPT Ethanolic: Carn: My mom was recently diagnosed with early stage Parkinson's.  I hope this baby gets approved quickly!

We're hoping to have it through FDA in the next year or two.


That's great!  Any chance for more early trials in other states?
 
2013-02-15 10:54:50 AM
My mother has battled MS since the 90's. I would *think* the Cleveland Clinic would know about this... but I don't think she tried this. Currently, I know she's on Modafonil and that seems to help. But, the above video brought tears to my eyes. Those results are amazing!

I jokingly hypothesize that modern medicine has progressed beyond natural selection (usually in response to a "Hey Y'all! Watch This!" moment). Then, I see marvels like this and I know it's probably true (or very close).
 
2013-02-15 10:55:57 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Be that as it may, there is no good reason for the military to have such a huge influence on which research wells to plumb. The benefits that accrue to civilians from DoD-funded research are nice side effects. Their research is to best figure out how to kill people and heal those who've been wounded. That's an enormous and dangerous thumb on the scale.


  War is a reality.  And you would be amazed at how many soldiers/sailors/marines now survive battlefield injuries that would have been lethal 10 years ago.  Last time I was at ISR, we had a Marine arrive missing both arms and a leg.  The injury happened 48 hours prior in Afghanistan, and within those 48 hours he had been transported from the battlefield to San Antonio and stabilized.  When you see things like that, you realize that it's research money well spent.  Until you figure out a way to end wars, I'm all for spending money to reduce mortality/morbidity in the wounded.  And the same technology that saved this Marine is being used daily to save people injured in things like car accidents.
 
2013-02-15 10:56:40 AM

Shadowknight: CygnusDarius: Does it suck?.

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Didn't suck.

/sorry, just watched that movie last night, it's on my mind
//did that amazing book justice, dangnabit.



I need to watch this.  The series/gr. novel was one of the best I've ever read...over and over again.  IMO, the only thing that has come close over the years is the "And Other Stories" Cary Nord Conan series.
 
2013-02-15 10:56:47 AM

umad: The research that goes into how to best kill who you want to kill without killing civilians or allies is why we have things like GPS and the internet. You're probably right though. We should go back to carpet bombing.


Look, I am not denying the good outcomes of this research.  Even the medical knowledge gained from the horribly unethical "research" done by the Nazis and Japanese (germ and bio warfare, mostly) really advanced our knowledge too.

But for once, it would be nice for a major leap like that to be made with government money that DOESN'T have it's main goal in blowing something up or making a lot of people dead.  It's the idealist in me, I know, but I'd love to see the general intent be one of peace for a change.
 
2013-02-15 10:58:00 AM

UberDave: Shadowknight: CygnusDarius: Does it suck?.

[img194.imageshack.us image 320x180]

Didn't suck.

/sorry, just watched that movie last night, it's on my mind
//did that amazing book justice, dangnabit.


I need to watch this.  The series/gr. novel was one of the best I've ever read...over and over again.  IMO, the only thing that has come close over the years is the "And Other Stories" Cary Nord Conan series.


And I forgot to say that is probably because his Conan books have some Frank Miller-ish elements...
 
2013-02-15 10:58:37 AM

Carn: That's great!  Any chance for more early trials in other states?


 The next up coming trials I believe will be at UW Madison.  There are only 2 labs that I know of (UW and Nebraska) that are currently doing trials involving civilians.
 
2013-02-15 10:58:58 AM

Shadowknight: umad: VoodooTaco: Plus, using the Internet to whine about research being funneled through the DoD makes me sad, facepalm.

This. The people that biatch about DoD research aren't any better than the morons who biatch about NASA. The side effect in both cases is that we get cool shiat.

I'm not complaining, exactly.  While I am sure there are a couple peaceful outcomes to designing yet another missile (improved guidance systems, propulsion systems, new fuels to possibly extend the space program), the main thrust of this research is just to kill more people more efficiently. 

It's nice to see some of this going to medical research and fixing those broken to support our endless forays into the battlefield.


You do understand that medical research has been one of the main thrusts of funding disbursement for years now, right? With our massively improved emergency medicine, more of our injured troops are surviving their injuries and require very intensive, and very expensive care.
 
2013-02-15 11:00:20 AM

UberDave: UberDave: Shadowknight: CygnusDarius: Does it suck?.

[img194.imageshack.us image 320x180]

Didn't suck.

/sorry, just watched that movie last night, it's on my mind
//did that amazing book justice, dangnabit.


I need to watch this.  The series/gr. novel was one of the best I've ever read...over and over again.  IMO, the only thing that has come close over the years is the "And Other Stories" Cary Nord Conan series.

And I forgot to say that is probably because his Conan books have some Frank Miller-ish elements...


What even is that screencap from?

/what even is? caught sayof
 
2013-02-15 11:00:34 AM

UberDave: I need to watch this.  The series/gr. novel was one of the best I've ever read...over and over again.  IMO, the only thing that has come close over the years is the "And Other Stories" Cary Nord Conan series.


You won't be disappointed.  I still prefer my Batman/Joker to be Conroy/Hamill, and a close second being Greenwood/DiMaggio, but having RoboCop in the role actually worked with the Frank Miller version of Batman.  Mark Valley did Superman slick, too.  

If you're not up out of your seat during the final fight, then you're not a comic fan.

/end threadjack
 
2013-02-15 11:02:13 AM

squidgod2000: Well, I hope MRMC keeps this going after their 9% budget cut.


I am getting a kick out of this reply, other replies, this thread, and this story.....
 
2013-02-15 11:03:21 AM

ginandbacon: You do understand that medical research has been one of the main thrusts of funding disbursement for years now, right? With our massively improved emergency medicine, more of our injured troops are surviving their injuries and require very intensive, and very expensive care.


I'm a paramedic.  My profession directly benefits from this kind of research.  I would just rather it not have to come with the price of blood of service members.  I've been to the funeral of two friends of mine since the start of Iraq, and a third that lost a foot and almost his life.  While I'm thankful that we've improved the care, it's of small solace.  

Again, it's the idealist in me.
 
2013-02-15 11:04:48 AM

mark.jms: What even is that screencap from?

/what even is? caught sayof


The Dark Knight Returns.  Was recently animated with a lot of star power behind it.  I'm a nerd, so the "Does it suck?" comment made me think of Carrie's "Didn't suck" line.
 
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