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(LA Times)   Crippled cruise ship Triumph finally docks in Mobile, Alabama. Upon realizing they were in Alabama, passengers demand to be put back out to sea   (latimes.com ) divider line
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2013-02-15 10:56:40 AM  

WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.


Read the below link to see why that was not an option. There would have been many injuries and maybe even deaths. 5 people were killed less than week ago during a cruise ship lifeboat lowering.

http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/02/carnival_cruise_nightmare_why.html
 
2013-02-15 10:59:49 AM  
 Jesus. I'm glad Americans of today weren't born in 15th century or we'd still think the world was flat because no one would be able to take the boat ride without biatching themselves to death. Oh noes! The luxury cruise ship stinks a little and the people have had to smell it for a couple of days while they get pulled to land. This is indeed a tragedy.

Didn't you hear?  They had to eat tomato sandwiches, for heaven's sake!  Is your heart made of stone?


I like tomato sandwiches, sounds like my kind of cruise.

/why can't I get rid of the 'bold'
//why can't I get name of the person who's message I am 'copying' to post
///what did I miss here, am also having hard time posting pictures, what has become of me?
 
2013-02-15 10:59:52 AM  
Took a three day and a five day cruise with Carnival last year.  Loved it, would do it again, would rather take a Disney cruise, but I can only afford the Ford Fiesta version, not the Cadillac.
 
2013-02-15 11:01:58 AM  
Cannibalism must have been fun.
 
2013-02-15 11:03:22 AM  

PainInTheASP: I was in Mobile a couple of times about twenty years ago.  Nice town, there was a little seafood restaurant on the Dauphin Island bridge road that served the BEST freakin lobster I think I've ever had.


Do you remember the name of the place?

/headed thereabouts in may
 
2013-02-15 11:04:37 AM  
First off, how the hell do they not have some kind of backup system to keep the lights on, the toilets flushing and the food safe?  Backup generators can't take up that much space and if it's something like the hydraulic system has to stay pressurized to keep basic systems running then there should be some way to keep it pressurized.  I'd imagine toilet flushing power level is a lot less than ship-maneuvering power level so you wouldn't need ship-engine-sized machines to do that.  Is this a case where the designers omitted safety systems to have extra room for more passengers?  I can think of another ship where that line of thinking bit them in the butt.

Second, these ships are simply getting too large.  Suppose something really serious happened and the ship was sinking, how the hell are Coast Guard/local authorities/the Navy/whoever going to rescue that many people?  I think the cruise industry needs to do some serious self-examination.
 
2013-02-15 11:06:15 AM  
As a native mobilian i would like to extend a warm hearty fark you to subby.
 
2013-02-15 11:07:42 AM  
I took a cruise on the Triumph when it was a new ship. I've heard it's gone to shiat since then.
 
2013-02-15 11:08:11 AM  

WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.


This.

My wife and I have been on two cruises with Norwegian and are going on another (to the Carribbean, no less) that leaves on Sunday. We had a great time on the boat, and never had any real problems. On one cruise, there was a malfunction in a gyrocompass that keeps the boat's attitude constant, so the boat listed pretty hard for a few seconds, and the crew had to manually adjust attitude until we got to shore, meaning that the ride was slightly wavier that night. The problem was completely fixed by the time we left the next port.

The first thing we did when we got on the boat was a mandatory, boat-wide lifeboat drill. These ships have lifeboats that hold 30 people each, with supplies, food, engines, and shelter. The fact that these lifeboats weren't employed baffles me. It's not like they were in the middle of the Atlantic; they were in the Gulf, for crying out loud. Besides, they were trapped there for six days. You'd think they could have evacuated everyone by helicopter in that amount of time, not to mention lifeboats or other methods of evacuation.

I hope Carnival goes down for this. There's really no excuse for not evacuating these people, forcing them to drive to New Orleans to fly home (I assume Mobile has an airport), and then trying to pay them off with free cruises. I hope those negligent farktards get sued into bankruptcy.
 
2013-02-15 11:08:47 AM  
What I want to know is what were the "engineers" thinking when they design these ships? I mean, gee, we will have 6,000 people on board this boat and we'll put ALL the generators in one room, what could go wrong?
 
2013-02-15 11:12:42 AM  
Hey,  Subby, eat a bowl, preferably one from the  Triumph's galley. I get to make fun of Alabama because I am a native Alabamian. You don't.

Meanwhile, Carnival just needs to reef the  Triumph, and put it out of our misery. Better yet, Carnival needs to reef their entire fleet and return the money to their investors.
 
2013-02-15 11:13:35 AM  

DysphoricMania: What I don't get... How is this ship so messed up? I spent 4 yrs on a ship (Thank You, US Navy) and we never had anything close to the troubles cruise ships have. Do they not have repair crews or damage control crews aboard? Seems like you would want those...


Unlikely. Those ships are run with crews cut to the profit-margin bone, and most of their crew is going to be of the housekeeping and service-industry variety whose emergency training will consist of lifeboat duty and maybe CPR.

A warship, meanwhile, has to be able to take battle damage and keep fighting, and will have systems redundancies no civilian owner will pay for.
 
2013-02-15 11:15:35 AM  

Limeyluv: It was a nasty experience, but compared to what it could have been...have you seen the class of people who take cruises these days? It isn't the Queen Mary. It's college kids and hen parties heading for the 24 hour buffets. The people biatching about the lack of food were the ones who could live off their body fat for a month. Cruising is for the lazy. Take a sea kayak and paddle the mangroves.

/Feeling mean because I haven't had my tea yet.
//Maybe I'll give up sympathy for Lent


Meh, I just finished working an 8-month contract on board a Holland America Line ship. HAL is all five-star luxury cruises that cater mainly to the retiree crowd. Saw almost no one in the demographic you were talking about.
 
2013-02-15 11:19:29 AM  

ExcedrinHeadache: WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.

This.

My wife and I have been on two cruises with Norwegian and are going on another (to the Carribbean, no less) that leaves on Sunday. We had a great time on the boat, and never had any real problems. On one cruise, there was a malfunction in a gyrocompass that keeps the boat's attitude constant, so the boat listed pretty hard for a few seconds, and the crew had to manually adjust attitude until we got to shore, meaning that the ride was slightly wavier that night. The problem was completely fixed by the time we left the next port.

The first thing we did when we got on the boat was a mandatory, boat-wide lifeboat drill. These ships have lifeboats that hold 30 people each, with supplies, food, engines, and shelter. The fact that these lifeboats weren't employed baffles me. It's not like they were in the middle of the Atlantic; they were in the Gulf, for crying out loud. Besides, they were trapped there for six days. You'd think they could have evacuated everyone by helicopter in that amount of time, not to mention lifeboats or other methods of evacuation.

I hope Carnival goes down for this. There's really no excuse for not evacuating these people, forcing them to drive to New Orleans to fly home (I assume Mobile has an airport), and then trying to pay them off with free cruises. I hope those negligent farktards get sued into bankruptcy.


Do you have any idea what it costs to deploy, recover and re-certify a cruise ship's entire complement of lifeboats?

I'm betting Carnival does.
 
2013-02-15 11:21:27 AM  

ExcedrinHeadache: WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.

This.

My wife and I have been on two cruises with Norwegian and are going on another (to the Carribbean, no less) that leaves on Sunday. We had a great time on the boat, and never had any real problems. On one cruise, there was a malfunction in a gyrocompass that keeps the boat's attitude constant, so the boat listed pretty hard for a few seconds, and the crew had to manually adjust attitude until we got to shore, meaning that the ride was slightly wavier that night. The problem was completely fixed by the time we left the next port.

The first thing we did when we got on the boat was a mandatory, boat-wide lifeboat drill. These ships have lifeboats that hold 30 people each, with supplies, food, engines, and shelter. The fact that these lifeboats weren't employed baffles me. It's not like they were in the middle of the Atlantic; they were in the Gulf, for crying out loud. Besides, they were trapped there for six days. You'd think they could have evacuated everyone by helicopter in that amount of time, not to mention lifeboats or other methods of evacuation.

I hope Carnival goes down for this. There's really no excuse for not evacuating these people, forcing them to drive to New Orleans to fly home (I assume Mobile has an airport), and then trying to pay them off with free cruises. I hope those negligent farktards get sued into bankruptcy.


You really don't understand why they didn't abandon ship out in the middle of the Gulf when they weren't sinking? If you haven't realized it, the lifeboats and rafts have even less power and working toilets than the crippled ship.
 
2013-02-15 11:23:47 AM  

pag1107: First off, how the hell do they not have some kind of backup system to keep the lights on, the toilets flushing and the food safe?  Backup generators can't take up that much space and if it's something like the hydraulic system has to stay pressurized to keep basic systems running then there should be some way to keep it pressurized.  I'd imagine toilet flushing power level is a lot less than ship-maneuvering power level so you wouldn't need ship-engine-sized machines to do that.



I was wondering why Carnival didn't helicopter in some generators to run the water system? There appears to be plenty of space on the decks for something like that. Maybe they thought the ship would drift into some port quicker than it did.
 
2013-02-15 11:25:28 AM  
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/People-spent-five-days-on - the-cruise-from-hell-and-all-they-got-was-500-and-a-crappy-apology.htm l

Daddy would never hurt a fly, but once he gets the snuff shakes... it's like he's not my daddy anymore, he's a MONSTER.
 
2013-02-15 11:38:35 AM  

barefoot in the head: "I want a hot shower and a daggum Whataburger"

Thank you, Mrs. Thurston Howell III


Whataburger ,  over priced and not crazy good
 
2013-02-15 11:39:20 AM  

ExcedrinHeadache: WorkingInParadise: I assume Mobile has an airport.


I think it would be safe to assume that an America city with almost a half a million people would have an airport.

Mobile Alabama may be in the south, but flyover country isn't that bad.
 
2013-02-15 11:41:14 AM  
Actually there are 2 large airports in mobile. One for commercial passenger and other was exmilitary used now for freight and soon airbus construction/testing
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-15 12:03:24 PM  

WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.


Maybe because it wasn't sinking and it's much safer to stay on-board than to be drifting in a lifeboat in the gulf?
 
2013-02-15 12:08:58 PM  
Watching the video of the passengers on the deck, or getting back to land, I realize that I have not seen than many sad, fat, dumpy white people since Romney lost the election.
 
2013-02-15 12:09:48 PM  
I hope that going forward, the major cruise lines at least re-engineer their ships so there's at least a backup generator in another section of the ship so that if there's a fire in the engine room, at least basic systems can be operated.

/Has a whole house backup generator
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-15 12:10:18 PM  

pag1107: First off, how the hell do they not have some kind of backup system to keep the lights on, the toilets flushing and the food safe?  Backup generators can't take up that much space and if it's something like the hydraulic system has to stay pressurized to keep basic systems running then there should be some way to keep it pressurized.  I'd imagine toilet flushing power level is a lot less than ship-maneuvering power level so you wouldn't need ship-engine-sized machines to do that.  Is this a case where the designers omitted safety systems to have extra room for more passengers?  I can think of another ship where that line of thinking bit them in the butt.

Second, these ships are simply getting too large.  Suppose something really serious happened and the ship was sinking, how the hell are Coast Guard/local authorities/the Navy/whoever going to rescue that many people?  I think the cruise industry needs to do some serious self-examination.


I think the toilets are flushed with water, not electricity.  These ships have RO desalinization plants, but they are in the machinery spaces with the engines.  They do have generators, but I guess not enough to power everything.
 
2013-02-15 12:13:23 PM  

mjohnson71: ExcedrinHeadache: WorkingInParadise: I assume Mobile has an airport.

I think it would be safe to assume that an America city with almost a half a million people would have an airport.

Mobile Alabama may be in the south, but flyover country isn't that bad.


I agree, but no Alabama city has a population over 250,000.
 
2013-02-15 12:24:10 PM  

vpb: WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.

Maybe because it wasn't sinking and it's much safer to stay on-board than to be drifting in a lifeboat in the gulf?


Fair enough. Then how come it took them five days to get tugs out to a ship that was on a trip that was only four days, round trip? Giving them one day to sail out and one day to tug them back, that's three days of what?
 
2013-02-15 12:32:32 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: I hope Carnival goes down for this. There's really no excuse for not evacuating these people, forcing them to drive to New Orleans to fly home (I assume Mobile has an airport), and then trying to pay them off with free cruises. I hope those negligent farktards get sued into bankruptcy.


Using life boats is in a do-or-die situation. They are very dangerous. And do you think life boats have farking bathrooms?

No one here got hurt. They were much safer on the ship than out at sea.
 
2013-02-15 12:34:29 PM  

emersonbiggins: mjohnson71: ExcedrinHeadache: WorkingInParadise: I assume Mobile has an airport.

I think it would be safe to assume that an America city with almost a half a million people would have an airport.

Mobile Alabama may be in the south, but flyover country isn't that bad.

I agree, but no Alabama city has a population over 250,000.


Doing a Google search various sources show Mobile the city with a population of about 200,000 but the metro area with 410,000+
 
2013-02-15 12:37:21 PM  

dramatools: Hey,  Subby, eat a bowl, preferably one from the  Triumph's galley. I get to make fun of Alabama because I am a native Alabamian. You don't.

Meanwhile, Carnival just needs to reef the  Triumph, and put it out of our misery. Better yet, Carnival needs to reef their entire fleet and return the money to their investors.


"Crippled cruise ship Triumph finally docks in Mobile Alabama. Passengers, upon realizing they were in Mobile Alabama, demand to be put back out to sea taken to Detroit"

Lighten up, Francis
 
2013-02-15 12:38:06 PM  
Hmmmm ....
Hot as heck
Sleeping in tents
Pooping in bags
Cold food to eat
No fresh water

Sounds very similar to my camping trips in the wilderness back in The Day. (On a blazing hot summer day we follow a NFS road to its end, haul in all our own food and drink, pitch the tent, dig a toilet pit, etc. And leave no trace when we left.)

At least they didn't have a ship full of Norovirus to contend with  - that WOULD have been hellish.
 
2013-02-15 12:39:35 PM  
Comment from LA times is genius:

"

I was on this ship and I want to comment on a story you will not hear on Fox or CNN!

 Okay, so we had to use those little red bags to go to the bathroom in. After the first 24 hours, all the Asians were complaining that the big fat Americans continued to gorge on huge amounts of red meat (cheese burger bar remained open 24/7) and filled the ship with putrid fumes of bodily waste. The Asians even videotaped one 300 pounder dude who wore the same Hawaii shirt x 7 days and needed 2 bags per bowel movement! The Asians then showed what looked like little rabbit pellets of their waste and compared it to the buffet lizard Americans that filled the arniva wheelborrow in just 3 or 4 cabins! This almost started a riot until the Captain decided to separate the Caucasians from the Asians...If you were Vegan, you were allowed to stay on the Asian side. I am vegan so I switched rooms with with a family from Houston Texas -All averaged 275 including the 3 kids. I just sat in my cabin watching Das Boat (the sub titled version) on my DVD player popping Zanex and eating steamed broccoli and white rice..I also smoked some cannabis I smuggled aboard in Cozumel. By the end of the cruise, I could speak decent German and I lost 12 lbs.
 
2013-02-15 12:42:25 PM  
I go to mobile a couple of times a year for work and enjoy it a lot.  Good food, very interesting places to drink, and some very interesting and fun people.  The only pain is a lot of the bars/clubs you have to be a member of to get in (I believe in order to stay open later). It is a very simple form to fill out, but a pain none the less.

As for the ship, I also cannot understand how they can allow a single point of failure like this to exist.  You have to have it so if you loose propulsion, everything else works, and if you loose everything else, you have propulsion to get you somewhere quick.
 
2013-02-15 12:43:25 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: vpb: WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.

Maybe because it wasn't sinking and it's much safer to stay on-board than to be drifting in a lifeboat in the gulf?

Fair enough. Then how come it took them five days to get tugs out to a ship that was on a trip that was only four days, round trip? Giving them one day to sail out and one day to tug them back, that's three days of what?


Well, at first they were gonna be towed to Mexico, but the ship had drifted too far south and they decided towing it to Alabama would be the best option. Also, tug boats are slooooooooow.
 
2013-02-15 12:58:19 PM  
Oh boy, over exaggerated hardship stories from people who would not know how to act in a real natural disaster.
 
2013-02-15 01:00:11 PM  

dk47: Comment from LA times is genius:


smartautocar.com
 
2013-02-15 01:12:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: StrikitRich: Maybe Carnival could put the passengers up in the Superdome?

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 350x450]

They'd at least have some beer to drink.....


that picture makes me laugh every time.  definitely my favourite internet pic of all time.  the beer in his back pocket is what does it for me i think
 
2013-02-15 01:16:01 PM  
Even better - one of the 'rescue' buses broke down on the way to New Orleans & the passengers had to wait for another bus to come pick them up.
 
2013-02-15 01:22:20 PM  
If I could sit on the deck, staring at the water with a drink and a J in the air, I'd take a cruise 4 times a year.

I suspect that the marijuana cruises out of Washington will one day be quite enjoyable.  They don't have any such thing yet though.  I checked.
 
2013-02-15 01:27:24 PM  
After seeing this pic of how much intelligence went into spelling out the word HELP.

i877.photobucket.com

I am far less inclined to put much stock into the passengers claims of the horrible conditions.
 
2013-02-15 01:32:15 PM  

sunlion: If I could sit on the deck, staring at the water with a drink and a J in the air, I'd take a cruise 4 times a year.

I suspect that the marijuana cruises out of Washington will one day be quite enjoyable.  They don't have any such thing yet though.  I checked.


"So captain, can you explain why your ship needed to load 15 tons of nachos before the cruise?"
 
2013-02-15 01:33:36 PM  
Wow.  Haven't these poor people suffered enough?
 
2013-02-15 01:39:43 PM  

basemetal: Oh boy, over exaggerated hardship stories from people who would not know how to act in a real natural disaster.


I'm reading these posts on gawker and people are acting like THIS IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD. Some people really need to gain some perspective.

And quite honestly from what I've seen it seems that the passengers, although bored, unshowered, and inconvenienced, seem to have made the best of a bad situation. And I've heard a lot of good things about the staff there so far.
 
2013-02-15 01:41:38 PM  
My sister-in-law and her husband have been on... I think 3 cruises at like $2,000 - $3,000 each time. I know retired people who keep their passport/vaccinations etc up to date, pre-pack their bags (unpacking all the unused clothes out once a month or so to wash them) and scan the newspaper's Travel section for "we really need butts in cabins for this cruise leaving soon" deals. They end up getting to go on 8 - 10 cruises a year for the price they'd pay for ONE pre-booked cruise.

The one day I saw an ad for a cruise that was leaving in... I think 2 days and they had knocked the price down to under $200. Multi-day cruise, tons of stuff included but they needed butts in cabins really badly.  I showed the wife the ad, she saw "Entertainment: Michael Bolton" and said they'd have to pay HER $200 hehe.

I'll admit I've never been on a cruise and I'm not sure I'd enjoy it that much. I will say this, though, given how often cruise deals seem to show up these days if I was going to do a cruise I'd pre-book my holidays, get my passport/vaccinations etc and scan the paper for deals. If I go on a last-minute deal cruise and spend, say $300 - $400 for my wife and I both to go... worst case if we hate it that's not a $2,000 - $4,000 life lesson.
 
2013-02-15 01:42:51 PM  

Oztemprom: PainInTheASP: I was in Mobile a couple of times about twenty years ago.  Nice town, there was a little seafood restaurant on the Dauphin Island bridge road that served the BEST freakin lobster I think I've ever had.

Do you remember the name of the place?

/headed thereabouts in may


Regrettably, no, but it was right before the bridge on the Mobile side.  I hit up Google after posting that this morning and the place that I think it is looks pretty run-down now.  This was back in the early nineties, and even though we stopped there around one in the afternoon, they had a guy in the dining room playing acoustic guitar.  It was a really nice ambiance and the the people working there were great.  But I have no idea if it's still that way today.
 
2013-02-15 01:44:11 PM  
I went on my first/only cruise last year with Carnival.  My only regret afterwards was that I hadn't saved up enough money to tip extra well.
 
2013-02-15 01:49:28 PM  

Oztemprom: PainInTheASP: I was in Mobile a couple of times about twenty years ago.  Nice town, there was a little seafood restaurant on the Dauphin Island bridge road that served the BEST freakin lobster I think I've ever had.

Do you remember the name of the place?

/headed thereabouts in may


Actually, it may have been the Pelican Reef, now that I've had more time to look...
 
2013-02-15 02:08:23 PM  
Wintzell's Oyster House, The OIriginal Oyster House, Oriental Palace Chinese Restaurant, Callaghan Irish Social Club, Blues Tavern, The Shed BBQ, The Brick Pit Barbecue, Krispy Kreme DoughnutsMobile does not suck. Great food and fun bars. Fun stuff to do. The fishing there is great.
Cruise ship passengers just wanted to get home, but don't be hatin' on Mobile if you haven't been there. Bayfest is a 3 day music extravaganza with one of the cheapest tickets of all our Gulf Coast music events.
 
2013-02-15 02:13:40 PM  
went on second cruise of my life--both on carnival.  the last one was on splendor, which apparently was the other ship that had the fire in the engine room.  i took an insider tour of the ship, and can understand what probably happened as a result.

i think that if they isolated the generators and engines that at least they could have more power, and if there were ways to re-route power for systems, they may have better luck in this type of a situation.

i did get the recipe for the melting chocolate cake, but thinking of the poop on the ship may make it a while until i make the dessert.

was a lot of fun, and had some of the best pastrami i had in a long time.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-15 02:15:13 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: vpb: WorkingInParadise: Every cruise ship has lifeboats. Why weren't they deployed? I don't understand the decision to NOT evacuate the ship.

Maybe because it wasn't sinking and it's much safer to stay on-board than to be drifting in a lifeboat in the gulf?

Fair enough. Then how come it took them five days to get tugs out to a ship that was on a trip that was only four days, round trip? Giving them one day to sail out and one day to tug them back, that's three days of what?


I would imagine that tugs large enough to pull a 100,000 ton ship aren't that common, and they don't go very fast.
 
2013-02-15 02:20:25 PM  

PainInTheASP: Oztemprom: PainInTheASP: I was in Mobile a couple of times about twenty years ago.  Nice town, there was a little seafood restaurant on the Dauphin Island bridge road that served the BEST freakin lobster I think I've ever had.

Do you remember the name of the place?

/headed thereabouts in may

Regrettably, no, but it was right before the bridge on the Mobile side.  I hit up Google after posting that this morning and the place that I think it is looks pretty run-down now.  This was back in the early nineties, and even though we stopped there around one in the afternoon, they had a guy in the dining room playing acoustic guitar.  It was a really nice ambiance and the the people working there were great.  But I have no idea if it's still that way today.


Pelican point?
 
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