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(WTOV9 Steubenville-Wheeling)   A political science professor tells students not to use openly fictitious parody of real-life news sites like The Onion or Fox News as sources for their work   (wtov9.com) divider line 85
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2013-02-15 10:10:35 AM  
11 votes:
The sad thing is, is that The Onion is more accurate than Fox News.
2013-02-15 09:33:21 AM  
10 votes:
In the syllabus, the professor allegedly says, "The tagline Fox News makes me cringe."

fox news did have a court room slap fight to confirm that they've got the legal right to lie to their audience.  And they use that 'right' every chance they get.  so...yeah.  I can see why a Professor might have a problem with their organization.
2013-02-15 11:59:37 AM  
5 votes:
kevinatilusa
I assumed the headline was a joke. Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus. Then I read the article.
The students who complained were right to do so.


You might want to read on to the not-really-working comment section.
To quote a comment from TFA which doesn't make the alleged Fox News ban sound too little, too late:


As one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples.

She further explained that, if we could make a good argument for using one of these sources (as several people in class have) that she would permit it. She just wanted us to explore a variety of sources, rather than simply accepting a single perspective.

She has NOT (as TV9 claims), "lifted any limitation on research sources", because there was no real limitation to begin with.

The "upset students and parents", are one set of parents who happen to be the extremely conservative and politically influential parents of one student who is failing. So rather than talk to her or anyone else at the University, they are trying to discredit her.

All of this is hardly surprising, WWVA is a Fox radio affiliate, and Bloomquist only has a show because of he spreads offensive lies and half-truths (Look at his comments about coal miners from last April).

What is sad is that WTOV is being so ignorant as to accept for face value what Bloomquist said. This is what happens with yellow journalists on a slow news day, I suppose
2013-02-15 11:55:52 AM  
4 votes:
Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.
2013-02-15 11:24:45 AM  
4 votes:
saint Ronald Reagan removes the truth in news laws and automatically breeds a couple of generations of retarded republicans.who foam at the mouth as they keep blaming dem libs and der socialisms for making their welfare checks late.
2013-02-15 03:13:27 PM  
3 votes:

TimonC346: Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.

Wait, are you serious? So Fox News and Jon Stewart are on the same level of journalistic integrity?


No, despite the fact that Jon is a comedian, he has more journalistic integrity in his little finger that Fox News has in its entire organization.
2013-02-15 11:57:05 AM  
3 votes:
Considering Fox News was denied a broadcast license in Canada because it's against the law to 'lie in the news' there, I'd say prohibiting students from using Fox as a source has quite a bit of merit.

Source:   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-b e -moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html
2013-02-15 11:34:53 AM  
3 votes:

The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?


something like that.  the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...and they won the case.  so...why would you want to listen to an organization that actually put down real money in a real court case to confirm that they've got a legal right to lie to you?

I just don't understand the Republicans anymore.  they LOVE to be lied too and abused.  makes no damn sense if you ask me.
2013-02-15 11:21:59 AM  
3 votes:
Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?
2013-02-15 11:19:46 AM  
3 votes:
It is important for students to learn that sites which have purely fictitious stories are not taken seriously by professionals.  But I would like to argue that parody sites like the Onion say what we were thinking anyway, but were too polite to mention.

Using Fox news as a source is like asking a wandering homeless person their opinion of the people who keep following them and persecuting them which is why they talk to themselves with angry gestures.
2013-02-15 10:38:27 AM  
3 votes:
Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.
2013-02-15 07:05:00 PM  
2 votes:

vygramul: STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.

It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.


Bias isn't the problem with fox- they don't present the news in the lens of their viewpoints, they use news to present their viewpoints.
How many networks have a show hosted by a former presidential candidate? How many have hosts who will say, months before the election, 'Romney is going to win and we just need to all get no board'?
MSNBC gives us the news as they see it. FoxNews uses the news to try to get us to think like they do.
2013-02-15 06:22:50 PM  
2 votes:
Thunderpipes:
And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.

Nope, wrong again, that's not why I can't stand the greasy fox:
wizbangblog.com

upload.wikimedia.org

But hey, you like being lied to?  That's cool.
And, by the way, his name is Barack Hussein Obama.  He is your President.
Try saying it, "President Barack Hussein Obama."  There's a good lad
2013-02-15 05:23:22 PM  
2 votes:

Kazrath: clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...

Huh?  You do understand how ratings work right?  Fox News != the combined sum of the other major news stations.  They are just a big arse conservative echo chamber so draw the vast majority of those who share like, albeit misguided views on the world.  So if they had 20% of the total viewers and 10 other stations had 80% with no single station having more than 15% then fox news would be the #1 rated while only having 1/5 of the total viewers.

But I do know a chicken farmer who will sell you a chicken "No questions asked".


Fox News is the highest rated -cable- news outlet, but still draws less viewers directly against NBC Nightly News, World News Tonight or CBS Evening News. Ratings is in no way indicative of quality it must be stressed. As I explained way upthread, Fox does what it does not necessarily because it has an agenda to push, but because it's a very effective way of locking down a specific (and large) demographic.
2013-02-15 02:53:44 PM  
2 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.


Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.
2013-02-15 02:37:04 PM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.


And also, calling Obama "the Messiah" or "god" is just like when McCain called Obama "the biggest celebrity in the world":  he meant it as an insult, but all it did was highlight that no one liked or wanted to follow McCain, that he was completely without charisma or any leadership qualities.

Calling Obama "god" is not an indicator of how liberals feel about Obama, it only shows the size of his influence in contrast to the profound nothingness offered by conservatives who use that line of attack.
2013-02-15 12:38:48 PM  
2 votes:

MonoChango: Weaver95: except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent. the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.

I know many people that would say the same thing about the Democrats.


And they would be wrong.  seriously - did you ever TRY to get a bunch of Democrats to all agree on something?  Republicans, on the other hand, are easy to force into lock step.
2013-02-15 12:08:28 PM  
2 votes:
MonoChango:
Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent.  the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.  Sure, the Democrats slant their views (its politics - duh!) but the GOP will flat out lie to you, KNOW they're lying to you, know that YOU know you are being lied to...and demand that you believe the lie as if it was gospel truth.  its almost as if the Republican leadership needs to see their followers debase themselves in service to their party.
2013-02-15 12:04:03 PM  
2 votes:

MonoChango: mudesi: Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?

Well I've always operated under the assumption that Fox was owned by a group of powerful people that are more right leaning and MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, ect. are owned and operated by a coordinated democratic propaganda machine.  I mean it is fairly easy to see just by the way they talk.  CNN has a long history of made up stories as well as covered up stuff that they should have reported.  I don't watch enough of either to know if FOX is any worse or better.  I suppose your opinion depends on if you are a right or left winger.

That is why I get my news from FARK.  :-)


I suppose that's one way of looking at it. I would disagree, but could understand the perspective.

As far as Fox goes, their owners do tend to personally lean (heavy) "conservative", but that's not the -reason- for their bias. Fox's stance is all about having a tight grip on a specific demographic, and maintaining that grip by catering to their beliefs.
Other News Corp properties (such as the WSJ and the NY Post) tend to reflect this as well.

MSNBC ([now] owned by Comcast, the nations largest cable provider and GE, a heavy industries and defense contractor) originally launched quite conservative but wasn't making a dent in Fox's stranglehold on that segment, so intentionally went heavy liberal to specifically serve as a "counter" to Fox and grab their own demo pie slice.
NBC News proper tries to maintain a neutral stance, but tends to lean liberal due to sharing many resources and staff with MSNBC

CNN (TBS, a division of TimeWarner) who pioneered cable news and did so with a fairly even hand (albeit with a slight pro-government slant during the first Gulf War) in the beginning has since devolved into pure sensationalism. They have no decided lean one way or the other, but will rather try to present a story in any way they think will grab them eyeballs from Fox or MSNBC.

ABC (Disney) and CBS (CBS Corp) both have somewhat conservative ownership (morseo CBS, whose largest shareholder is Sumner Redstone), but their news divisions tend to be fairly neutral.

On a whole, whether a news outlet is liberal or conservative tends to depend on the observers' own bias. American liberals would likely qualify as centrists or even slightly conservative in much of the rest of the world.
2013-02-15 11:57:39 AM  
2 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?

Yeah, I'll take a non-partisan organization devoted to protecting the 1st Amendment over the farking Wikipedia, ya mope.

"It would be nice to hope that this analysis will finally put to rest the myth of a First Amendment "right to lie" case involving FOX News. Nice, but probably unrealistic. At the very least, it should give ammunition to those intent on countering this particular wild internet rumor."

Man, even using the god damn link you gave it is clear that they are talking about a farking affiliate.

Who is drooling, sport?


you are, apparently.  what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them.  you aren't fooling anyone you know.  just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what.  its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.
2013-02-15 11:52:18 AM  
2 votes:
The Onion predicts the future.
Fox rewrites the past.
CNN is the new E!
Nai
2013-02-15 11:33:19 AM  
2 votes:
http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...
2013-02-15 11:28:37 AM  
2 votes:
Fark the parents. These "kids" are (mostly) legal adults. Whatever the parents think is irrelevant unless they are in the class as well.

Fark the students. If they don't like the terms can drop the class. I once had an 8:00 class where the prof said no eating and drinking in class on the first day. I took a different professor the next semester; there was no way I was functioning at 8:00 without coffee.

Quit whining when someone doesn't like what you like.
2013-02-15 11:19:15 AM  
2 votes:

vicioushobbit: Because college students (at least freshmen in general) lack the ability to know when somebody's outright lying to them, college professors have to put a little bit of guidance in.

No, sonny, you can't credit Wikipedia on that topic.  I'm afraid you're going to have to learn about the Dewey Decimal system now...


I'm currently a grad student.  You'd be surprised by the number of graduate students who never go into the library.  They'll spend all day and night searching online for a relevant resource, but they never think to go into the library and actually check out a book.
2013-02-15 11:09:51 AM  
2 votes:
Because college students (at least freshmen in general) lack the ability to know when somebody's outright lying to them, college professors have to put a little bit of guidance in.

No, sonny, you can't credit Wikipedia on that topic.  I'm afraid you're going to have to learn about the Dewey Decimal system now...
2013-02-15 11:02:00 AM  
2 votes:
can i still cite comments from a free republic thread that is discussing a fox news article or is that not good enough for the ivory towered elites at west liberty university either?
2013-02-15 06:41:25 AM  
2 votes:
Ha!
2013-02-15 07:02:47 PM  
1 votes:

vygramul: It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.


That IS another issue (though not the one on-topic).

MSNBC doesn't like to outright say they're biased, but they won't hide from it either (as a network that is; specific hosts like Maddow have no problem proudly proclaiming liberal bias).

Fox on the other hand -still- uses "fair and balanced" as an official tagline.

It is still amusing, however, when you think about it that a network with an intentional liberal bias is half owned by one of the largest military contractors.
2013-02-15 05:14:03 PM  
1 votes:

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


Huh?  You do understand how ratings work right?  Fox News != the combined sum of the other major news stations.  They are just a big arse conservative echo chamber so draw the vast majority of those who share like, albeit misguided views on the world.  So if they had 20% of the total viewers and 10 other stations had 80% with no single station having more than 15% then fox news would be the #1 rated while only having 1/5 of the total viewers.

But I do know a chicken farmer who will sell you a chicken "No questions asked".
2013-02-15 04:26:21 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95:
again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.

I'm not dodging anything, I am admitting the error of my ways.

I am conceding to you with open mind and humbly agreeing that:


I AM WRONG ABOUT FOX NEWS BEING GARBAGE.  I AGREE WITH WEAVER95 THAT FOX IS NOT GARBAGE AND I RESOLVE WITH THE HELP OF MY BETTERS TO UNDERSTAND WHY FOX NEWS IS NOT GARBAGE AND WHY IT WAS WRONG TO SAY THAT
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I would be terribly disappointed as a father if my 8 year old were to resort to the type of logic used above
2013-02-15 03:53:54 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: And there it is...point, set and match.

Agreed.  Fox News is Not Garbage -- Weaver95

Weaves, you and I make a hell of a team.


I was wrong. Now this thread is potatos.
2013-02-15 03:41:31 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: t's his pattern. like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.

But Weaves, I truly want to help you help me see the error of my ways.

You said that I don't understand why I think Fox is not garbage.  You said it I "can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'."

I admit it, Fox News is not garbage.  Please help me see why I was wrong about Fox being garbage.  I mean you are smart, right?  And "clever" no doubt.  So kindly explain to your adoring legions why Fox News is not garbage.

Why is Fox News not garbage, help us Weaver. I've already admitted the error of my ways, help me LEARN....


And there it is...point, set and match.
2013-02-15 03:31:51 PM  
1 votes:

udhq: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.


it's his pattern.  like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.
2013-02-15 02:50:23 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: udhq: Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.

And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.


That's objectively false.  FOX was founded by Nixon's media team, for the stated purpose of being "a counterweight" (their words, not mine.)  They themselves claim to pretense to objectivity.

Granted, CNN is now run by TV producers rather than journalists, but the end result of that is just a bias towards sensationalism.  If you're watching CNN and seeing liberalism, it's only because you think "liberalism" equates to a failure to adequately reinforce your preconceived worldview.
2013-02-15 02:31:04 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.


In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.
2013-02-15 02:28:39 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Jesus Christ liberals are morons.

Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

Remember, liberal "news" networks are saying Rubio is done because he took a sip of water. That is what liberals are, weirdos who can't handle the truth.

Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.


You're funny.
2013-02-15 02:24:56 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus Christ liberals are morons.

Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

Remember, liberal "news" networks are saying Rubio is done because he took a sip of water. That is what liberals are, weirdos who can't handle the truth.

Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.
2013-02-15 02:19:59 PM  
1 votes:

udhq: Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more? maybe change the subject...?

It is funny, the last time you lied and said I didn't answer your question, it turns out i had answered your question.  In this case you want me to explain my opinion why I think all 24 hour news channels are dreck and that people like you who are obsessed with them are Enterprise Class Losers?

you can't do it, can you?  you can't explain your own beliefs or statements.  that right there is evidence enough I suppose.

33's answer to any question that has him stumped is "I've already answered that like a billion times."


its fascinating tho.  he can't explain his beliefs, but he fervently believes in them and won't dare let anyone question him on it.  I'm starting to think he doesn't understand his own ideology.
2013-02-15 02:19:55 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: 5. I'm not Obsessed with TeeVee News, like you losers.


-This- is actually why I made my initial comment.
Now, I still have no reason to disbelieve your statement that you don't watch cable news, but it is certainly a curiosity that you have spent so much energy in this thread.
2013-02-15 02:17:03 PM  
1 votes:
...Fox News, a professional news organization.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha...deep breath..
s18.postimage.org
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!
2013-02-15 01:30:37 PM  
1 votes:
Who cares? The use of Fox "News" as a cited source for a college paper would only reflect a complete absence of critical thinking on the part of the student. So either he fails the assignment, or he's pushed through and joins the ranks of useless-degree zombies wandering the job market.

If you're determined to be an idiot, it's not likely anyone's going to be able stop you.
2013-02-15 01:10:35 PM  
1 votes:
Frankly; the only news I watch are the daily show and the Colbert report. They tend to be the most balanced; as they lampoon everyone. But, you can tell which way they lean by who they lampoon more. I just think it's symptomatic of current political winds that shows that are intended to be funny are the best source for actual news.

Personally; I feel that all of the 24 hour news channels have agendas to push. And, until we can have real integrity and honesty in the news again; our news networks are farces that seek to entertain; not inform us.
2013-02-15 01:10:20 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: ok

After accusing me of lying, and dodging the question now he wants me to jump through his little hoops, without even acknowledging the dozens of baseless claims he made against me.

Here's your answer:  Turn off the TeeVee and pick up a book.

Start with one on logic.


lets' try this again:

I, halfof33, do hereby affirm and acclaim the following things to be wrong with the below mentioned cable news channels:

Fox news is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

MSNBC is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

CNN is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

Just copy/paste the above format and fill in the blanks.
2013-02-15 01:04:18 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC? you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.

Oh my god.....

halfof33: Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

I am at a loss, I truly am.  Can weaver not go back and read the posts in this thread??  Why would he keep grossly misrepresenting the thread?


ok, but WHY do you believe this?  details, man!  details!  WHY do you believe all 24 hour news channels are garbage?  what - SPECIFICALLY - makes you distrust all news channels?  gimme a list - it doesn't even have to be a long list.  just two or three things you find wrong with CNN, MSNBC and Fox News.

lets make this simple for you:

I, halfof33, do hereby affirm and acclaim the following things to be wrong with the below mentioned cable news channels:

Fox news is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

MSNBC is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

CNN is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

Just copy/paste the above format and fill in the blanks.  it don't get any easier than that my friend.
2013-02-15 12:59:47 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: I find you a very strange sort of person. you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.

Another gross fabrication.

I have DIRECTLY responded to and debunked the issue YOU RAISED in this thread regarding their credibility.  Strike One.

I have DIRECTLY addressed and DEBUNKED the fabrication someone else raised regarding "FOX news" in Canada..  Strike TWO.

I have pointed out that rather than address the substance of these posts YOU have resorted to ridiculous ad homimen fallacies. Strike Three.

Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

Stop lying, man up, admit your mistakes or please STFU.


Lets see if you stand by your own convictions, admit to being a liar, and STFU.

From your link;

Whatever the truth of the dispute between the two reporters and WTVT, it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story or assert the"right to lie"in its broadcasts. Instead, the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives under the First Amendment - editorial prerogatives that are indisputable, if the guarantee of a free press means anything.

They didn't assert their "right to lie," just their right to say whatever they want regardless of facts. As usual this just boils down to yet another one of your semantic faux arguments.

I read your entire link, and it boils down to this and, "but Fox won so therefore they didn't argue a right to lie." Except that they did, that was their defense. Or maybe you just don't know what editorials are?

Either way, apologize for falsely asserting the story was "complete fabrication," because it's not. It is 100% true, and even the opinion legal post you had to dig around to find doesn't refute it.
2013-02-15 12:59:30 PM  
1 votes:

RelativeEase: So if Fox has an interview with a Senator and a student wants to quote from that interview i guess said student would be SOL.


I wouldn't trust fox news if they told me the sky was blue or that water was wet.
2013-02-15 12:57:38 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting. hmm.

Looks around.  Yes of course it is, it has nothing to do with the substance of the argument whatsoever...

Oh I get it, you think that ad hominem fallacies are limited to insults!  I get it!  I get it, you don't understand, you don't get "logic."

interesting indeed. And here you thought you were being "clever."


so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC?  you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.
2013-02-15 12:56:36 PM  
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halfof33: Weaver95: why would you give me so much power over you...? that's very strange.

Why does Weaver always respond to posts with a question like this....?  That is very odd.

And why does Weaver revert to this dodge when he has been blown so far out of the water that tiny chunks of him are raining down in Siberia....? That is very strange

/lolz..


Cute personal attack. However, you have yet to actually respond to any questions in a meaningful way, or cite any sources to support your claims. Which isn't acceptable in the 'liberal' world of academics.

Can I ask what you studied in college?
2013-02-15 12:55:52 PM  
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MonoChango: Weaver95: they LOVE to be lied too and abused.

So you watched the SOTU address too?  ;-)

Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

"We must make a strong working class, by raising minimum wage"  Is something someone says when they don't have a clue about how an economy works. By rising the price of labor you weaken the demand. so this = stupid


AH now I get it ... when people earn relatively less they spend relatively more

so when for one hour's minimum wage in 1971 I could buy 10 hostess fruit pies (out of a convenience store), 5 gallons of gas or two packs of cigarettes, that was devastating to the economy?

If only they had paid workers less, then we could have been then; where we are now ,,, economically speaking of course

darn darn darn
2013-02-15 12:55:37 PM  
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halfof33: Weaver95: /well that was easy.

Of course it was easy, for you. Lies come quite easily to you.  We also note that unlike me, you have failed to support you contention with anything at all.


I ask a question, you dodge and/or change the subject and then call ME names.  you do this in almost every thread.

so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC?  you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.
2013-02-15 12:53:52 PM  
1 votes:
The Daily Show is still OK, right?
2013-02-15 12:53:04 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: gain, you avoided my questions and try to turn this into a personal attack.

Lie.  You personally attacked me when I destroyed your fabrication.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.

You started the ad hominems, i just finished them

/I am baffled at the level of sneering contempt you have for the people reading this thread.


so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting.  hmm.
2013-02-15 12:47:51 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: I find you a very strange sort of person. you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.

Another gross fabrication.

I have DIRECTLY responded to and debunked the issue YOU RAISED in this thread regarding their credibility.  Strike One.

I have DIRECTLY addressed and DEBUNKED the fabrication someone else raised regarding "FOX news" in Canada..  Strike TWO.

I have pointed out that rather than address the substance of these posts YOU have resorted to ridiculous ad homimen fallacies. Strike Three.

Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

Stop lying, man up, admit your mistakes or please STFU.


again, you avoided my questions and try to turn this into a personal attack.

so you don't see any difference between fox news and CNN...?  none at all?  how about fox news and MSNBC?  do you believe fox and MSNBC are identical in terms of how they report the news?
2013-02-15 12:45:22 PM  
1 votes:
I pity the small minded people that willingly submit to Fox Newschannel and AM talk radio.

Sad and pathetic people.
2013-02-15 12:41:27 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.

Ad hominem.

The first refuge of the scoundrel.  Again, if you can rebut the link and the other information I gave to prove you lied, go for it!

Or ad hominem, hell, whatever sport, I'm a big boy.  You can ad hom me and I'll just quote things that show you are full of shiat:

Clearly, the story that FOX News got a court ruling in favor of its right to "lie" in its news broadcasts has become something of a talking point among the cable news channel's detractors. There's only one problem - the story as popularly told is completely false, and is based almost exclusively on hysteria, hyperbole, and half-truths.

Game on, champ.  Call me "half-wit" next, that is what failures usually do when I've shattered their fragile egos with facts.


you sure do like to nail yourself up on that cross.  I asked questions about Fox news and their complete lack of credibility and you've tried to turn it into something about yourself.  you do this sort of thing a lot you know.

here. lets try this again - do you think Fox news is as credible as CNN or MSNBC?  and don't cop out with a lame 'they're all the same' statement either 'cause they're NOT 'all the same'.
2013-02-15 12:37:32 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: why would you give me so much power over you...? that's very strange.

Why does Weaver always respond to posts with a question like this....?  That is very odd.

And why does Weaver revert to this dodge when he has been blown so far out of the water that tiny chunks of him are raining down in Siberia....? That is very strange

/lolz..


I find you a very strange sort of person.  you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.
2013-02-15 12:31:20 PM  
1 votes:

MonoChango: In today's academic setting, if you don't bow before the alter of "Group Think" then you are the enemy.


... it sure sounds like you're well acquainted with today's academic setting.
2013-02-15 12:24:19 PM  
1 votes:

seelorq: "Posted by Unbiased atAs one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples.


There is no such thing as an unbiased news source.
2013-02-15 12:23:03 PM  
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Publikwerks: No wonder she is a temp professor  You don't openly say that, you just knock off 10% for every reference you think is BS. Besides, if it's a class where politics is being debated, you need to allow for contrasting viewpoints. And if it isn't, you can flunk them for referencing fox news on a chem paper.


All you lazy farkers bashing the crappy prof just simma down now:

From the comments:

"Posted by Unbiased atAs one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples. 

She further explained that, if we could make a good argument for using one of these sources (as several people in class have) that she would permit it. She just wanted us to explore a variety of sources, rather than simply accepting a single perspective.

She has NOT (as TV9 claims), "lifted any limitation on research sources", because there was no real limitation to begin with.

The "upset students and parents", are one set of parents who happen to be the extremely conservative and politically influential parents of one student who is failing. So rather than talk to her or anyone else at the University, they are trying to discredit her.

All of this is hardly surprising, WWVA is a Fox radio affiliate, and Bloomquist only has a show because of he spreads offensive lies and half-truths (Look at his comments about coal miners from last April).

What is sad is that WTOV is being so ignorant as to accept for face value what Bloomquist said. This is what happens with yellow journalists on a slow news day, I suppose"
2013-02-15 12:21:50 PM  
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Weaver95: except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent. the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.


I know many people that would say the same thing about the Democrats.
2013-02-15 12:20:34 PM  
1 votes:

jst3p: As someone who is returning to school I can say that in my anecdotal experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I like to think of myself as a moderate who leans left on most social issues but most of the kids in classes make me feel like a right wingnut.


In today's academic setting, if you don't bow before the alter of "Group Think" then you are the enemy.
"One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority." -Robert A. Heinlein
If you disagree with the authority (Teacher) you are at best ignorant and at worst evil incarnate. Authority will not except that you have different ideas or that you have come to your own conclusions based on facts and life experience.  If you don't accept their answers and world view (ALL OF IT) then you are not accepting their authority end of story so you must be a _________. (fill in blank for most evil thing they can thing of off the top of head)
2013-02-15 12:13:27 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: halfof33:
the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions.  c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what.  it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.


There is hope, I once had you pegged that way.
2013-02-15 12:12:43 PM  
1 votes:
halfof33:
the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions.  c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what.  it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.
2013-02-15 12:10:05 PM  
1 votes:

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


More Bud Light is sold each year then Shiner Bock.  Does that make it a better beer?
2013-02-15 12:06:45 PM  
1 votes:

halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

  Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...

That is a complete fabrication, and you should feel bad for posting that garbage:

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/


You know, if you read that whole thing, you see that the jury never said anything about whether Fox lied or not. Just that they decided Fox couldn't be held by the regulations they were attempting to reference, and that Fox was ok in firing them.

"In other words, the FCC's policy against news distortion is simply not covered under Florida's whistleblower statute. The court never addressed the First Amendment defenses raised by the FOX affiliate, and in fact the term "First Amendment" appears nowhere in the six-page decision. "

So basically, the court never addressed it. But Fox DID use it as a defense.

BTW... the Mark Mills that owns that Campaign Freedom site gave $5K to the RNC, and has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Not sure I trust their opinion on Fox News as far as I can throw it, given that Fox has proven that it's basically the media wing of the GOP.
2013-02-15 12:04:59 PM  
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Canton: I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)


You obviously haven't seen Fox and Friends.
2013-02-15 12:01:22 PM  
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Weaver95: Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.


You could start a news show run by dogs and monkeys under that premise.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)
2013-02-15 12:00:31 PM  
1 votes:
college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.
2013-02-15 11:56:05 AM  
1 votes:

Ebbelwoi: Like it or not it's a news source


They argued and won in court that they are NOT a news source, but entertainment, and as such had the right to lie in its stories.  Their work is perfectly acceptable as satire.
2013-02-15 11:53:07 AM  
1 votes:
Doesn't it depend on what you're citing? For instance, if you want to quote a government official on something he said, and he said it while being interviewed on Fox News, how else are you supposed to cite it? Or does the fact that he said it on Fox News mean that he never really said it?
2013-02-15 11:50:38 AM  
1 votes:

Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.


Considering that people who get thier news were significantly better informed than people who get their news from Fox News? I'd say Yeah, he's a great way to get your news.
2013-02-15 11:47:19 AM  
1 votes:

halfof33: Weaver95: something like that. the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...a

False.

0/10




True

how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?
2013-02-15 11:45:49 AM  
1 votes:

RY28: Forgot to mention MSNBC and the Huffington Post ?


Seems legit.
2013-02-15 11:45:00 AM  
1 votes:

halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.


you should probably stop trolling the thread, then people would go back to ignoring you.  incidentally - what's your take on Fox News?  do you consider them a valid source of information, equal to say...CNN or MSNBC?
2013-02-15 11:40:17 AM  
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Weaver95: The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?

something like that.  the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...and they won the case.  so...why would you want to listen to an organization that actually put down real money in a real court case to confirm that they've got a legal right to lie to you?

I just don't understand the Republicans anymore.  they LOVE to be lied too and abused.  makes no damn sense if you ask me.


Truth doesn't matter.

Fantasy is more attractive than reality.
2013-02-15 11:32:22 AM  
1 votes:

halfof33: [westliberty.edu image 209x314]

Gaze upon the embodiment of Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

/Looks like a younger and less attractive version of the Church Lady. I bet she is a real hell cat in the sack, though.


yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread
2013-02-15 11:28:23 AM  
1 votes:
Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?


Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?
2013-02-15 11:26:22 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Can you detect the unintentional irony?
2013-02-15 11:23:20 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Hey look everyone, it's an idiot. Say hello to the idiot, everybody!
2013-02-15 11:23:08 AM  
1 votes:
But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.
2013-02-15 11:22:50 AM  
1 votes:
Students are also encouraged to construct multi-sentence paragraphs.
2013-02-15 11:19:42 AM  
1 votes:
And due to the butthurt of the retarded conservative students and their equally mentally challenged parents, the professor lifted the ban.
2013-02-15 11:06:17 AM  
1 votes:
I think some of you are forgetting what kids in college use for sources.  I've seen people credit angelfire.com personal pages as if they were as credible as medical journals.  Some of my professors banned any kind of citation that wasn't specifically literary. 

I'd love to see the list of what else she banned.  For all we know, it could include other outright-lying news organizations, from the other side too.

Overall,

pjmedia.com
2013-02-15 10:54:51 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Wait, we can't be fascist and Stalinist! Either were commies or fascist-two totally different ideology!
2013-02-15 10:13:51 AM  
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I don't know why anyone would ever cite them for anything to begin with. Presumably any actual event they covered would just be an AP story.
 
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