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2013-02-15 02:37:04 PM  

Thunderpipes: Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.


And also, calling Obama "the Messiah" or "god" is just like when McCain called Obama "the biggest celebrity in the world":  he meant it as an insult, but all it did was highlight that no one liked or wanted to follow McCain, that he was completely without charisma or any leadership qualities.

Calling Obama "god" is not an indicator of how liberals feel about Obama, it only shows the size of his influence in contrast to the profound nothingness offered by conservatives who use that line of attack.
 
2013-02-15 02:38:18 PM  

udhq: Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.


And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.
 
2013-02-15 02:39:35 PM  

Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.


Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.
 
2013-02-15 02:40:56 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.


again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.
 
2013-02-15 02:40:59 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x178]

The Network of fake exploding pickups


This.

Also, the Zimmerman tape edit.
Also, GWB's fake air force officer evaluation (oh wait, that was CBS).
 
2013-02-15 02:48:33 PM  

Alphakronik: What would be even better would be if the teacher started allowing Fox news to be sourced, but corrected the misinformation given in the papers, effectively degrading the students work and eventually failing them due to "using inaccuracies and non-fact to state your arguments".

If they want to know how the real world works, teach them.  You can do whatever you like on your paper.  If it is wrong, you fail.


That requires more work, which is why she cringes when she sees crappy sources.  She wants to teach critical thinking while avoiding it.
 
2013-02-15 02:48:38 PM  
Weaver95:
again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.

I'm not dodging anything, I am admitting the error of my ways.

I am conceding to you with open mind and humbly agreeing that:


I AM WRONG ABOUT FOX NEWS BEING GARBAGE.  I AGREE WITH WEAVER95 THAT FOX IS NOT GARBAGE AND I RESOLVE WITH THE HELP OF MY BETTERS TO UNDERSTAND WHY FOX NEWS IS NOT GARBAGE AND WHY IT WAS WRONG TO SAY THAT
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2013-02-15 02:50:23 PM  

Thunderpipes: udhq: Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.

And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.


That's objectively false.  FOX was founded by Nixon's media team, for the stated purpose of being "a counterweight" (their words, not mine.)  They themselves claim to pretense to objectivity.

Granted, CNN is now run by TV producers rather than journalists, but the end result of that is just a bias towards sensationalism.  If you're watching CNN and seeing liberalism, it's only because you think "liberalism" equates to a failure to adequately reinforce your preconceived worldview.
 
2013-02-15 02:51:59 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.


Garbage is what you discard because you have no use for it.  Seems simple enough.
 
2013-02-15 02:53:44 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.


Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.
 
2013-02-15 02:58:58 PM  

udhq: That's objectively false.


That is pretty much true of most of what that farker types.
 
2013-02-15 02:59:17 PM  

udhq: make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.


But I am saying something:  That I was wrong about Fox News being garbage. Weaves made me take a step back and think: maybe I am wrong about Fox News.

So I looked inside and said:  Oh wisdom, oh profundity.
 
2013-02-15 03:13:27 PM  

TimonC346: Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.

Wait, are you serious? So Fox News and Jon Stewart are on the same level of journalistic integrity?


No, despite the fact that Jon is a comedian, he has more journalistic integrity in his little finger that Fox News has in its entire organization.
 
2013-02-15 03:25:07 PM  
this thread is now potatos
 
2013-02-15 03:31:51 PM  

udhq: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.


it's his pattern.  like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.
 
2013-02-15 03:38:56 PM  

Weaver95: t's his pattern. like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.


But Weaves, I truly want to help you help me see the error of my ways.

You said that I don't understand why I think Fox is not garbage.  You said it I "can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'."

I admit it, Fox News is not garbage.  Please help me see why I was wrong about Fox being garbage.  I mean you are smart, right?  And "clever" no doubt.  So kindly explain to your adoring legions why Fox News is not garbage.

Why is Fox News not garbage, help us Weaver. I've already admitted the error of my ways, help me LEARN....
 
2013-02-15 03:41:31 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: t's his pattern. like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.

But Weaves, I truly want to help you help me see the error of my ways.

You said that I don't understand why I think Fox is not garbage.  You said it I "can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'."

I admit it, Fox News is not garbage.  Please help me see why I was wrong about Fox being garbage.  I mean you are smart, right?  And "clever" no doubt.  So kindly explain to your adoring legions why Fox News is not garbage.

Why is Fox News not garbage, help us Weaver. I've already admitted the error of my ways, help me LEARN....


And there it is...point, set and match.
 
2013-02-15 03:44:28 PM  

Weaver95: And there it is...point, set and match.


Agreed.  Fox News is Not Garbage -- Weaver95

Weaves, you and I make a hell of a team.
 
2013-02-15 03:53:54 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: And there it is...point, set and match.

Agreed.  Fox News is Not Garbage -- Weaver95

Weaves, you and I make a hell of a team.


I was wrong. Now this thread is potatos.
 
2013-02-15 03:56:46 PM  
This thread:

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2013-02-15 04:00:56 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: I was wrong. Now this thread is potatos.


Mashed potatoes my friend.  Because we made some progress, together.

theworldmeditation.com

Thanks to my good buddy Weaves, I'm going to spend all weekend watching Fox News.

I used to think it was nonsense and garbage and silly, and oh man was I all wet about that!
 
2013-02-15 04:05:24 PM  

halfof33: oh man was I all wet about that!


Dude, we really don't need to hear about all that...
 
2013-02-15 04:15:26 PM  
Is halfof33 Glenn Beck's Fark handle?

Similar argument style and such. Seems as so, anyway.
 
2013-02-15 04:20:24 PM  
Among those students are asked not to use are The Onion, an openly fictitious parody of real-life news, and Fox News, a professional news organization.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA no.
 
2013-02-15 04:26:21 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95:
again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.

I'm not dodging anything, I am admitting the error of my ways.

I am conceding to you with open mind and humbly agreeing that:


I AM WRONG ABOUT FOX NEWS BEING GARBAGE.  I AGREE WITH WEAVER95 THAT FOX IS NOT GARBAGE AND I RESOLVE WITH THE HELP OF MY BETTERS TO UNDERSTAND WHY FOX NEWS IS NOT GARBAGE AND WHY IT WAS WRONG TO SAY THAT
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I would be terribly disappointed as a father if my 8 year old were to resort to the type of logic used above
 
2013-02-15 04:42:20 PM  

dwlf: I would be terribly disappointed as a father if my 8 year old were to resort to the type of logic used above


I'm confused, there is no arguing going on here.

I admitted error. I said Fox was garbage, I was called on the carpet, I admitted I was wrong.

I mean, anything else would be to suggest that weaver was being completely disingenuous, and I won't have that kind of talk in here, no siree Bob!
 
2013-02-15 05:14:03 PM  

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


Huh?  You do understand how ratings work right?  Fox News != the combined sum of the other major news stations.  They are just a big arse conservative echo chamber so draw the vast majority of those who share like, albeit misguided views on the world.  So if they had 20% of the total viewers and 10 other stations had 80% with no single station having more than 15% then fox news would be the #1 rated while only having 1/5 of the total viewers.

But I do know a chicken farmer who will sell you a chicken "No questions asked".
 
2013-02-15 05:23:22 PM  

Kazrath: clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...

Huh?  You do understand how ratings work right?  Fox News != the combined sum of the other major news stations.  They are just a big arse conservative echo chamber so draw the vast majority of those who share like, albeit misguided views on the world.  So if they had 20% of the total viewers and 10 other stations had 80% with no single station having more than 15% then fox news would be the #1 rated while only having 1/5 of the total viewers.

But I do know a chicken farmer who will sell you a chicken "No questions asked".


Fox News is the highest rated -cable- news outlet, but still draws less viewers directly against NBC Nightly News, World News Tonight or CBS Evening News. Ratings is in no way indicative of quality it must be stressed. As I explained way upthread, Fox does what it does not necessarily because it has an agenda to push, but because it's a very effective way of locking down a specific (and large) demographic.
 
2013-02-15 05:26:21 PM  
FoxNews the pet of billionaires since it started and gullible conservatives that think they care about them.
 
2013-02-15 05:37:07 PM  
What's wrong subby?

Can't take your news like man?
 
2013-02-15 05:38:37 PM  

clane: Liberals hate Conservatives love #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


/Amidoinitright?
 
2013-02-15 05:41:07 PM  
According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.
 
2013-02-15 05:46:02 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


Thanks Mr. Romero for informing us of that little tidbit.

The only things sadder than Fox's attempts to be funny are MSNBC's attempts to imitate Fox.
 
2013-02-15 06:06:48 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


This (topic/thread) isn't calling out Fox for being biased (or denying that MSNBC is biased as well).
This is about Fox having.. really lenient standards of journalistic integrity.
 
2013-02-15 06:22:50 PM  
Thunderpipes:
And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.

Nope, wrong again, that's not why I can't stand the greasy fox:
wizbangblog.com

upload.wikimedia.org

But hey, you like being lied to?  That's cool.
And, by the way, his name is Barack Hussein Obama.  He is your President.
Try saying it, "President Barack Hussein Obama."  There's a good lad
 
2013-02-15 06:50:05 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.
 
2013-02-15 07:02:47 PM  

vygramul: It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.


That IS another issue (though not the one on-topic).

MSNBC doesn't like to outright say they're biased, but they won't hide from it either (as a network that is; specific hosts like Maddow have no problem proudly proclaiming liberal bias).

Fox on the other hand -still- uses "fair and balanced" as an official tagline.

It is still amusing, however, when you think about it that a network with an intentional liberal bias is half owned by one of the largest military contractors.
 
2013-02-15 07:05:00 PM  

vygramul: STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.

It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.


Bias isn't the problem with fox- they don't present the news in the lens of their viewpoints, they use news to present their viewpoints.
How many networks have a show hosted by a former presidential candidate? How many have hosts who will say, months before the election, 'Romney is going to win and we just need to all get no board'?
MSNBC gives us the news as they see it. FoxNews uses the news to try to get us to think like they do.
 
2013-02-15 07:06:47 PM  
Wouldn't it be easier to state, "Students who use biased sources run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"?

I'm pretty sure it would be more educational for a student to see "Failed Research paper -- Information A from source X has been proven to be a deliberate falsehood with citation B from credible source Y" than just to say "Wharrrgarbl you used a bad source AUTO-FAIL!"
 
2013-02-15 07:06:50 PM  

tinyarena: Thunderpipes:
And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.

Nope, wrong again, that's not why I can't stand the greasy fox:
[wizbangblog.com image 500x373]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 490x320]

But hey, you like being lied to?  That's cool.
And, by the way, his name is Barack Hussein Obama.  He is your President.
Try saying it, "President Barack Hussein Obama."  There's a good lad


Thread won.
As I interview people, I try to get a mention of fox news. If they volunteer it, guess what, no job for you. I don't need that kind of willful ignorance working at my company.
 
2013-02-15 07:07:49 PM  

elchupacabra: Wouldn't it be easier to state, "Students who use biased sources run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"?

I'm pretty sure it would be more educational for a student to see "Failed Research paper -- Information A from source X has been proven to be a deliberate falsehood with citation B from credible source Y" than just to say "Wharrrgarbl you used a bad source AUTO-FAIL!"


'Biased' is a relative term; he'd get the pants sued off of him the first time it happened. Also, not whargarbl- his point is a good one. Fox has fought in court to prove that it's not a news source.
 
2013-02-15 07:08:59 PM  

andyfromfl: Bias isn't the problem with fox- they don't present the news in the lens of their viewpoints, they use news to present their viewpoints.
How many networks have a show hosted by a former presidential candidate? How many have hosts who will say, months before the election, 'Romney is going to win and we just need to all get no board'?
MSNBC gives us the news as they see it. FoxNews uses the news to try to get us to think like they do.


Ehhh, I'll disagree slightly there.
I think it's much more that they present the news as they know their viewership wants to see it.
 
2013-02-15 07:12:12 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


It turns out that no, this study doesn't prove that in any fashion. It proves that MSNBC provided more negative coverage of Romney than Fox did of Obama, and some other similar facts.
What it failed to define was 'negative.' Reporting that Romney classified people on welfare as it appeared he did isn't a 'negative' story.

Asking if Obama could have possibly failed his job any worse with no discernible facts or data in front of a panel of the guy with the jack nicholson joker and sarah palin, that's negative.

Fox is much more biased. It's not up for debate, your or my opinion is neither welcome nor permitted. Nor pew's. It's an observable fact outside of your own personal mind.
 
2013-02-15 07:20:27 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting. hmm.

Looks around.  Yes of course it is, it has nothing to do with the substance of the argument whatsoever...

Oh I get it, you think that ad hominem fallacies are limited to insults!  I get it!  I get it, you don't understand, you don't get "logic."

interesting indeed. And here you thought you were being "clever."

so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC?  you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.


A few years ago, I referred him to the wikipedia page on logical fallacies. I don't think he's ever fully recovered. I'm sorry.
 
2013-02-15 07:59:40 PM  

Weaver95: udhq: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.

it's his pattern.  like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.


Understanding things in anathema to modern Republicans.
 
2013-02-15 08:18:36 PM  

andyfromfl: elchupacabra: Wouldn't it be easier to state, "Students who use biased sources run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"?

I'm pretty sure it would be more educational for a student to see "Failed Research paper -- Information A from source X has been proven to be a deliberate falsehood with citation B from credible source Y" than just to say "Wharrrgarbl you used a bad source AUTO-FAIL!"

'Biased' is a relative term; he'd get the pants sued off of him the first time it happened. Also, not whargarbl- his point is a good one. Fox has fought in court to prove that it's not a news source.


Fair enough on the "Biased" comment.  I'm not going to weigh in on the other half of your assertion, since I've read some of that case and it doesn't quite sound right.  So, perhaps a modification:

"Students who use sources that are telling reasonably verifiable falsehoods run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"
 
2013-02-15 08:52:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?


Considering every time they get in trouble, they claim they're doing the same thing Jon Stewart does. Stewart regularly admits the Daily Show is not a news program, it's entertainment. If Stewart is entertainment, and Fox News is Stewart, then Fox News is entertainment. Otherwise Fox is admitting that what Stewart does is actually news and his criticisms of them are completely valid.
 
2013-02-15 09:11:50 PM  

craig328: StrangeQ: And due to the butthurt of the retarded conservative students and their equally mentally challenged parents, the professor lifted the ban.

Or, you know, they pointed out the immense farking hypocrisy of saying they "encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion" and then say "except that one...it makes me cringe (presumably through disagreement with the profs political leanings)".

Cause, you know, telling someone they encourage them to do something while actively discouraging them is pretty much the textbook definition of being a farking hypocrite.


Fox News is the propaganda arm of the GOP. It's not reliable information.
 
2013-02-15 10:48:07 PM  

sxacho: A few years ago, I referred him to the wikipedia page on logical fallacies. I don't think he's ever fully recovered. I'm sorry.




CSB! Was that when you came out as a truther?

I was talking to sxacho three or four years ago and I turned him into a newt!

Nice of you to stick up for Weaves when his hypocrisy got blown the fark up in this thread, though.

Me: fox news sucks
Weaves: Why you think it suck? (i"m clever! I actually hate Fox news, tee hee!)
me: Gee, I don't care, I guess Fox is OK.
Weaves: D'oh!

Another farking great thread.
 
2013-02-15 11:24:00 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: The Daily Show is still OK, right?


Comedy Central has been found to be considered far more honest than Fox "News" in poll after poll, study after study.  Fox viewers have won the "Most Misinformed" award every, single time this entire millennium.  So I'll allow it.
 
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