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2013-02-15 11:45:49 AM  

RY28: Forgot to mention MSNBC and the Huffington Post ?


Seems legit.
 
2013-02-15 11:45:57 AM  

Weaver95: The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?

something like that.  the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...and they won the case.  so...why would you want to listen to an organization that actually put down real money in a real court case to confirm that they've got a legal right to lie to you?

I just don't understand the Republicans anymore.  they LOVE to be lied too and abused.  makes no damn sense if you ask me.


Says the TotalFarker.
 
2013-02-15 11:46:28 AM  
College and university complaint policy should begin with: are you a parent of a student? Then STFU and have your adult kid make the complaint.
 
2013-02-15 11:47:19 AM  

halfof33: Weaver95: something like that. the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...a

False.

0/10




True

how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?
 
2013-02-15 11:47:29 AM  

Weaver95: you should probably stop trolling the thread, then people would go back to ignoring you. incidentally - what's your take on Fox News? do you consider them a valid source of information, equal to say...CNN or MSNBC?


Hmmmm, you intentionally deleted the link showing that you completely misrepresented that facts in that Court case.  Shock.

I think they are all garbage, just like your false claims in this thread.
 
2013-02-15 11:48:34 AM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you should probably stop trolling the thread, then people would go back to ignoring you. incidentally - what's your take on Fox News? do you consider them a valid source of information, equal to say...CNN or MSNBC?

Hmmmm, you intentionally deleted the link showing that you completely misrepresented that facts in that Court case.  Shock.

I think they are all garbage, just like your false claims in this thread.


all news stations are equally bad...so watch fox news?

now where have I heard that before....
 
2013-02-15 11:50:38 AM  

Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.


Considering that people who get thier news were significantly better informed than people who get their news from Fox News? I'd say Yeah, he's a great way to get your news.
 
2013-02-15 11:52:15 AM  

Weaver95: how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?


Yeah, I'll take a non-partisan organization devoted to protecting the 1st Amendment over the farking Wikipedia, ya mope.

"It would be nice to hope that this analysis will finally put to rest the myth of a First Amendment "right to lie" case involving FOX News. Nice, but probably unrealistic. At the very least, it should give ammunition to those intent on countering this particular wild internet rumor."

Man, even using the god damn link you gave it is clear that they are talking about a farking affiliate.

Who is drooling, sport?
 
2013-02-15 11:52:18 AM  
The Onion predicts the future.
Fox rewrites the past.
CNN is the new E!
 
2013-02-15 11:52:20 AM  
I tutor through the student support office for extra cash - I have seen students cite the amazon customer reviews as a valid source. They even wrote "Gary said  this" for every single one of them.
 
2013-02-15 11:53:07 AM  
Doesn't it depend on what you're citing? For instance, if you want to quote a government official on something he said, and he said it while being interviewed on Fox News, how else are you supposed to cite it? Or does the fact that he said it on Fox News mean that he never really said it?
 
2013-02-15 11:53:27 AM  
I assumed the headline was a joke.  Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus.  Then I read the article.

The students who complained were right to do so.

(Saying this as a Liberal)
 
2013-02-15 11:53:29 AM  

Weaver95: all news stations are equally bad...so watch fox news none?


Fixed that for you chief.
 
2013-02-15 11:54:58 AM  
ah, political science. Like taking a course for underwater basket weaving
without all that learning and ability nonsense.

Arguing against fox without including every single other american news source
just makes you a jackass

1) you are being lied to and led
2) they are ALL lying to you
3) drink more ovaltine
 
2013-02-15 11:55:52 AM  
Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.
 
2013-02-15 11:56:05 AM  

Ebbelwoi: Like it or not it's a news source


They argued and won in court that they are NOT a news source, but entertainment, and as such had the right to lie in its stories.  Their work is perfectly acceptable as satire.
 
2013-02-15 11:56:59 AM  
I have an English prof this term who, wisely, does not accept any internet sources. I'm assuming this includes the Fox News website. Not that it's as much of an issue in a Shakespeare class, but the policy definitely isn't biased.

/Students can use digital peer-reviewed sources accessed via the library's database, thankfully.
 
2013-02-15 11:57:05 AM  
Considering Fox News was denied a broadcast license in Canada because it's against the law to 'lie in the news' there, I'd say prohibiting students from using Fox as a source has quite a bit of merit.

Source:   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-b e -moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html
 
2013-02-15 11:57:37 AM  
The New York Times listed The Onion's Our Dumb Century on their non-fiction best seller book lists.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/25/bsp/papernonfictioncompare.htm l

Suck on that, smarty-pants!!!
 
2013-02-15 11:57:39 AM  

halfof33: Weaver95: how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?

Yeah, I'll take a non-partisan organization devoted to protecting the 1st Amendment over the farking Wikipedia, ya mope.

"It would be nice to hope that this analysis will finally put to rest the myth of a First Amendment "right to lie" case involving FOX News. Nice, but probably unrealistic. At the very least, it should give ammunition to those intent on countering this particular wild internet rumor."

Man, even using the god damn link you gave it is clear that they are talking about a farking affiliate.

Who is drooling, sport?


you are, apparently.  what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them.  you aren't fooling anyone you know.  just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what.  its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.
 
2013-02-15 11:58:25 AM  

kevinatilusa: I assumed the headline was a joke.  Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus.  Then I read the article.

The students who complained were right to do so.

(Saying this as a Liberal)


Go back and read the comment of the student who's actually in that class. The professor is no biased idiot...the author of TFA, however...
 
2013-02-15 11:59:24 AM  
CNS (Cybercast News Service) from its start has always been a defender of right wing Christians from the liberals that want to destroy them. It used to be fairly honest (in terms of making things up) and was mainly slanted in what it chose to cover and omissions within its stories - people's affiliations, contradictory information, etc.

I visit CNS rarely but when I do I've noticed that they have graduated to "reporting as facts things other media  say" rather than actual fact checking - once somebody else  makes up something it is ok to report as a fact. For example CNS reported that the "Sandy Hook shooter was a Satanist"  They attributed this to the Daily Mail who when you checked attributed it to the National Enquirer who in turn  used an unverified claim by someone of what they had seen  on the web..
 
2013-02-15 11:59:37 AM  
kevinatilusa
I assumed the headline was a joke. Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus. Then I read the article.
The students who complained were right to do so.


You might want to read on to the not-really-working comment section.
To quote a comment from TFA which doesn't make the alleged Fox News ban sound too little, too late:


As one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples.

She further explained that, if we could make a good argument for using one of these sources (as several people in class have) that she would permit it. She just wanted us to explore a variety of sources, rather than simply accepting a single perspective.

She has NOT (as TV9 claims), "lifted any limitation on research sources", because there was no real limitation to begin with.

The "upset students and parents", are one set of parents who happen to be the extremely conservative and politically influential parents of one student who is failing. So rather than talk to her or anyone else at the University, they are trying to discredit her.

All of this is hardly surprising, WWVA is a Fox radio affiliate, and Bloomquist only has a show because of he spreads offensive lies and half-truths (Look at his comments about coal miners from last April).

What is sad is that WTOV is being so ignorant as to accept for face value what Bloomquist said. This is what happens with yellow journalists on a slow news day, I suppose
 
2013-02-15 12:00:31 PM  
college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.
 
2013-02-15 12:01:22 PM  

Weaver95: Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.


You could start a news show run by dogs and monkeys under that premise.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)
 
2013-02-15 12:02:30 PM  
december:  But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.

what do you think about the comments posted here defending Fox News as an 'unbiased news source'?  you don't have to name names of course...i'm just curious what you think of fox news and the folks who defend them.
 
2013-02-15 12:03:39 PM  

Weaver95: they LOVE to be lied too and abused.


So you watched the SOTU address too?  ;-)

Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

"We must make a strong working class, by raising minimum wage"  Is something someone says when they don't have a clue about how an economy works. By rising the price of labor you weaken the demand. so this = stupid

"We need to take your guns away while we buy fulling automatic guns for cops"  Is something said by someone that is power hungry and doesn't think you should have the right to defend your life, so this = evil.
 I'm sure you can think of 10 examples from both parties.
 
2013-02-15 12:03:59 PM  

december: college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.


It might not hurt to start using this too.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:03 PM  

MonoChango: mudesi: Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?

Well I've always operated under the assumption that Fox was owned by a group of powerful people that are more right leaning and MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, ect. are owned and operated by a coordinated democratic propaganda machine.  I mean it is fairly easy to see just by the way they talk.  CNN has a long history of made up stories as well as covered up stuff that they should have reported.  I don't watch enough of either to know if FOX is any worse or better.  I suppose your opinion depends on if you are a right or left winger.

That is why I get my news from FARK.  :-)


I suppose that's one way of looking at it. I would disagree, but could understand the perspective.

As far as Fox goes, their owners do tend to personally lean (heavy) "conservative", but that's not the -reason- for their bias. Fox's stance is all about having a tight grip on a specific demographic, and maintaining that grip by catering to their beliefs.
Other News Corp properties (such as the WSJ and the NY Post) tend to reflect this as well.

MSNBC ([now] owned by Comcast, the nations largest cable provider and GE, a heavy industries and defense contractor) originally launched quite conservative but wasn't making a dent in Fox's stranglehold on that segment, so intentionally went heavy liberal to specifically serve as a "counter" to Fox and grab their own demo pie slice.
NBC News proper tries to maintain a neutral stance, but tends to lean liberal due to sharing many resources and staff with MSNBC

CNN (TBS, a division of TimeWarner) who pioneered cable news and did so with a fairly even hand (albeit with a slight pro-government slant during the first Gulf War) in the beginning has since devolved into pure sensationalism. They have no decided lean one way or the other, but will rather try to present a story in any way they think will grab them eyeballs from Fox or MSNBC.

ABC (Disney) and CBS (CBS Corp) both have somewhat conservative ownership (morseo CBS, whose largest shareholder is Sumner Redstone), but their news divisions tend to be fairly neutral.

On a whole, whether a news outlet is liberal or conservative tends to depend on the observers' own bias. American liberals would likely qualify as centrists or even slightly conservative in much of the rest of the world.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:15 PM  
Weaver95
Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama. For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the ..


[freepermode]
That only proves how much Ofartbongo manipulated those elections.
[/freepermode]
 
2013-02-15 12:04:39 PM  
As someone who is returning to school I can say that in my anecdotal experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I like to think of myself as a moderate who leans left on most social issues but most of the kids in classes make me feel like a right wingnut.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:59 PM  

Canton: I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)


You obviously haven't seen Fox and Friends.
 
2013-02-15 12:06:25 PM  

Weaver95: you are, apparently. what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them. you aren't fooling anyone you know. just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what. its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.


You know why, because you are here repeating a grossly unfounded, untrue internet rumor, and there are people here who due solely to their political inclinations would be willing to accept that even though it is a god damn lie.

And that is why you are now spinning a completely unfounded ad hominem fallacy in an attempt to spin out of responsibility for repeating a false tale.

Attack me all you want sport, I'll just keep on linking to non-partisan sources that demonstrate you are full of shiat.
 
2013-02-15 12:06:45 PM  

halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

  Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...

That is a complete fabrication, and you should feel bad for posting that garbage:

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/


You know, if you read that whole thing, you see that the jury never said anything about whether Fox lied or not. Just that they decided Fox couldn't be held by the regulations they were attempting to reference, and that Fox was ok in firing them.

"In other words, the FCC's policy against news distortion is simply not covered under Florida's whistleblower statute. The court never addressed the First Amendment defenses raised by the FOX affiliate, and in fact the term "First Amendment" appears nowhere in the six-page decision. "

So basically, the court never addressed it. But Fox DID use it as a defense.

BTW... the Mark Mills that owns that Campaign Freedom site gave $5K to the RNC, and has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Not sure I trust their opinion on Fox News as far as I can throw it, given that Fox has proven that it's basically the media wing of the GOP.
 
2013-02-15 12:07:08 PM  

Canton: Weaver95: Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.

You could start a news show run by dogs and monkeys under that premise.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)


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I agree completely. Animal driven newscasts are far too rare.nowadays.
 
2013-02-15 12:07:14 PM  
Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...
 
2013-02-15 12:08:28 PM  
MonoChango:
Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent.  the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.  Sure, the Democrats slant their views (its politics - duh!) but the GOP will flat out lie to you, KNOW they're lying to you, know that YOU know you are being lied to...and demand that you believe the lie as if it was gospel truth.  its almost as if the Republican leadership needs to see their followers debase themselves in service to their party.
 
2013-02-15 12:09:52 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.

Wait, we can't be fascist and Stalinist! Either were commies or fascist-two totally different ideology!


No really.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:05 PM  

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


More Bud Light is sold each year then Shiner Bock.  Does that make it a better beer?
 
2013-02-15 12:10:07 PM  

december: college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.


My girlfriend is a dean and she taught me the best way to write most papers (this may only work for non-traditional intelligent students).

She has access to an online database of peer reviewed journals (forget the name). And she told me "write whatever you want, then search the database for support. Someone else out there thinks something similar to your thought and it is easier to find something later that lines up with your reasoning than to do the research first then write. Also it will more likely be in your words and you wont have to worry about triggering the plagiarism software."

Has significantly cut down the time it takes me to write papers.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:09 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you are, apparently. what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them. you aren't fooling anyone you know. just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what. its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.

You know why, because you are here repeating a grossly unfounded, untrue internet rumor, and there are people here who due solely to their political inclinations would be willing to accept that even though it is a god damn lie.


why would you give me so much power over you...?  that's very strange.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:42 PM  

Duke Skymocker: Considering Fox News was denied a broadcast license in Canada because it's against the law to 'lie in the news' there, I'd say prohibiting students from using Fox as a source has quite a bit of merit.

Source:   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-b e -moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html


Wow... that is also completely untrue.  I'm at a loss.

Your link, even though it is partisan nonsense, still doesn't support that claim.

the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:53 PM  

Pitabred: halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

  Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...

That is a complete fabrication, and you should feel bad for posting that garbage:

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/

You know, if you read that whole thing, you see that the jury never said anything about whether Fox lied or not. Just that they decided Fox couldn't be held by the regulations they were attempting to reference, and that Fox was ok in firing them.

"In other words, the FCC's policy against news distortion is simply not covered under Florida's whistleblower statute. The court never addressed the First Amendment defenses raised by the FOX affiliate, and in fact the term "First Amendment" appears nowhere in the six-page decision. "

So basically, the court never addressed it. But Fox DID use it as a defense.

BTW... the Mark Mills that owns that Campaign Freedom site gave $5K to the RNC, and has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Not sure I trust their opinion on Fox News as far as I can throw it, given that Fox has proven that it's basically the media wing of the GOP.


Er... WHICH has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Proofreading fail :(
 
2013-02-15 12:12:07 PM  

doyner: clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...

More Bud Light is sold each year then Shiner Bock.  Does that make it a better beer?


The most common meal in the world is a bowl of rice.
 
2013-02-15 12:12:43 PM  
halfof33:
the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions.  c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what.  it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.
 
2013-02-15 12:13:27 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33:
the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions.  c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what.  it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.


There is hope, I once had you pegged that way.
 
2013-02-15 12:13:50 PM  

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


Your FARK page is comedy gold.  A+ for effort.
 
2013-02-15 12:14:08 PM  

jst3p: The most common meal in the world is a bowl of rice.


I like rice.
 
2013-02-15 12:14:49 PM  

Weaver95: why would you give me so much power over you...? that's very strange.


Why does Weaver always respond to posts with a question like this....?  That is very odd.

And why does Weaver revert to this dodge when he has been blown so far out of the water that tiny chunks of him are raining down in Siberia....? That is very strange

/lolz..
 
2013-02-15 12:15:46 PM  
No wonder she is a temp professor  You don't openly say that, you just knock off 10% for every reference you think is BS. Besides, if it's a class where politics is being debated, you need to allow for contrasting viewpoints. And if it isn't, you can flunk them for referencing fox news on a chem paper.
 
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