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2013-02-15 06:41:25 AM  
Ha!
 
2013-02-15 09:33:21 AM  
In the syllabus, the professor allegedly says, "The tagline Fox News makes me cringe."

fox news did have a court room slap fight to confirm that they've got the legal right to lie to their audience.  And they use that 'right' every chance they get.  so...yeah.  I can see why a Professor might have a problem with their organization.
 
2013-02-15 10:10:35 AM  
The sad thing is, is that The Onion is more accurate than Fox News.
 
2013-02-15 10:13:51 AM  
I don't know why anyone would ever cite them for anything to begin with. Presumably any actual event they covered would just be an AP story.
 
2013-02-15 10:17:19 AM  
Footnotes:

1) Ibid: Ibid  Ibid: Ibid: Ibid Ibid: Ibid  Ibid: Ibid: Ibid:
 
2013-02-15 10:27:36 AM  

DamnYankees: I don't know why anyone would ever cite them for anything to begin with. Presumably any actual event they covered would just be an AP story.


It's their opinion masked as fact way of reporting.
 
2013-02-15 10:38:27 AM  
Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.
 
2013-02-15 10:45:40 AM  
so FWD:FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: emails are still acceptable sources?
 
2013-02-15 10:54:51 AM  

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Wait, we can't be fascist and Stalinist! Either were commies or fascist-two totally different ideology!
 
2013-02-15 11:02:00 AM  
can i still cite comments from a free republic thread that is discussing a fox news article or is that not good enough for the ivory towered elites at west liberty university either?
 
2013-02-15 11:06:17 AM  
I think some of you are forgetting what kids in college use for sources.  I've seen people credit angelfire.com personal pages as if they were as credible as medical journals.  Some of my professors banned any kind of citation that wasn't specifically literary. 

I'd love to see the list of what else she banned.  For all we know, it could include other outright-lying news organizations, from the other side too.

Overall,

pjmedia.com
 
2013-02-15 11:08:16 AM  

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Which is why they should get all their information from Faux News.
 
2013-02-15 11:09:51 AM  
Because college students (at least freshmen in general) lack the ability to know when somebody's outright lying to them, college professors have to put a little bit of guidance in.

No, sonny, you can't credit Wikipedia on that topic.  I'm afraid you're going to have to learn about the Dewey Decimal system now...
 
2013-02-15 11:13:24 AM  

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


I think it's pretty telling that you don't consider "a gut feeling" sufficient grounds for a citation, libtard.  Why don't you go watch the Newshour with Jim Lehrer on your precious PBS.
 
2013-02-15 11:17:39 AM  
ts3.mm.bing.net

go fox go !
 
2013-02-15 11:19:15 AM  

vicioushobbit: Because college students (at least freshmen in general) lack the ability to know when somebody's outright lying to them, college professors have to put a little bit of guidance in.

No, sonny, you can't credit Wikipedia on that topic.  I'm afraid you're going to have to learn about the Dewey Decimal system now...


I'm currently a grad student.  You'd be surprised by the number of graduate students who never go into the library.  They'll spend all day and night searching online for a relevant resource, but they never think to go into the library and actually check out a book.
 
2013-02-15 11:19:42 AM  
And due to the butthurt of the retarded conservative students and their equally mentally challenged parents, the professor lifted the ban.
 
2013-02-15 11:19:46 AM  
It is important for students to learn that sites which have purely fictitious stories are not taken seriously by professionals.  But I would like to argue that parody sites like the Onion say what we were thinking anyway, but were too polite to mention.

Using Fox news as a source is like asking a wandering homeless person their opinion of the people who keep following them and persecuting them which is why they talk to themselves with angry gestures.
 
2013-02-15 11:21:59 AM  
Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?
 
2013-02-15 11:22:10 AM  
I don't believe the mainstream media.  I get my sources only from fringe media like Fox News.
 
2013-02-15 11:22:50 AM  
Students are also encouraged to construct multi-sentence paragraphs.
 
2013-02-15 11:23:08 AM  
But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.
 
2013-02-15 11:23:13 AM  
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?
 
2013-02-15 11:23:20 AM  

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Hey look everyone, it's an idiot. Say hello to the idiot, everybody!
 
2013-02-15 11:24:45 AM  
saint Ronald Reagan removes the truth in news laws and automatically breeds a couple of generations of retarded republicans.who foam at the mouth as they keep blaming dem libs and der socialisms for making their welfare checks late.
 
2013-02-15 11:24:54 AM  
They also said Wolfe has gone back to the class and lifted any limitation on research sources

I personally would allow FOX News as a source, but I would drop the paper at least one grade level for each reference.

/goes double for MSNBC
 
2013-02-15 11:26:09 AM  
westliberty.edu

Gaze upon the embodiment of Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

/Looks like a younger and less attractive version of the Church Lady. I bet she is a real hell cat in the sack, though.
 
2013-02-15 11:26:22 AM  

Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.


Can you detect the unintentional irony?
 
2013-02-15 11:28:12 AM  

Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.


i would assume that transcripts from the daily show would be equally unacceptable as a source
 
2013-02-15 11:28:23 AM  
Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?


Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?
 
2013-02-15 11:28:37 AM  
Fark the parents. These "kids" are (mostly) legal adults. Whatever the parents think is irrelevant unless they are in the class as well.

Fark the students. If they don't like the terms can drop the class. I once had an 8:00 class where the prof said no eating and drinking in class on the first day. I took a different professor the next semester; there was no way I was functioning at 8:00 without coffee.

Quit whining when someone doesn't like what you like.
 
2013-02-15 11:29:52 AM  
I think it depends on the context of how you're using the source. I have cited sources that are manifestly absurd and deceitful sources (e.g. Michael Behe and other creationists when writing about science education) because they served as illustrative examples of the point I was trying to make, and not because I in any way support or endorse their views. I could easily see the same use for citing any news media, whether it be Fox or CNN or whatever.
 
2013-02-15 11:30:31 AM  

The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?


And aren't they banned from referring to themselves as a "news" organization in Canada?  (I think Canada)
 
2013-02-15 11:32:04 AM  
Later in the syllabus it goes on to mention that students should not abuse white space to make their fact-sparse articles look bigger than they really are.
 
2013-02-15 11:32:22 AM  

halfof33: [westliberty.edu image 209x314]

Gaze upon the embodiment of Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

/Looks like a younger and less attractive version of the Church Lady. I bet she is a real hell cat in the sack, though.


yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread
 
Nai
2013-02-15 11:33:19 AM  
http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...
 
2013-02-15 11:34:01 AM  
I never read/view Fox News
Like it or not it's a news source and some of its work is perfectly acceptable.
Do they still have all the red, white, and blue graphics?
 
2013-02-15 11:34:23 AM  

Zachery: Later in the syllabus it goes on to mention that students should not abuse white space to make their fact-sparse articles look bigger than they really are.


Thank you for mentioning that.  I had a English prof. that made us write a 20 page paper all in single space.  Gah.
 
2013-02-15 11:34:53 AM  

The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?


something like that.  the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...and they won the case.  so...why would you want to listen to an organization that actually put down real money in a real court case to confirm that they've got a legal right to lie to you?

I just don't understand the Republicans anymore.  they LOVE to be lied too and abused.  makes no damn sense if you ask me.
 
2013-02-15 11:36:11 AM  

Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...


it's funny that in a thread about biased sources, you post a link to a site called "foxnewsboycott.com"
 
2013-02-15 11:39:08 AM  

mudesi: Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?


Well I've always operated under the assumption that Fox was owned by a group of powerful people that are more right leaning and MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, ect. are owned and operated by a coordinated democratic propaganda machine.  I mean it is fairly easy to see just by the way they talk.  CNN has a long history of made up stories as well as covered up stuff that they should have reported.  I don't watch enough of either to know if FOX is any worse or better.  I suppose your opinion depends on if you are a right or left winger.

That is why I get my news from FARK.  :-)
 
2013-02-15 11:40:17 AM  

Weaver95: The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?

something like that.  the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...and they won the case.  so...why would you want to listen to an organization that actually put down real money in a real court case to confirm that they've got a legal right to lie to you?

I just don't understand the Republicans anymore.  they LOVE to be lied too and abused.  makes no damn sense if you ask me.


Truth doesn't matter.

Fantasy is more attractive than reality.
 
Nai
2013-02-15 11:41:27 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre  - Wiki is also considered not a good resouce, per the article :)

http://reason.com/archives/2006/05/05/the-strange-case-of-steve-wils   - kind of a libertarian slant, so not sure if it's considered a good resource either...

http://current.com/community/93886320_fox-news-banned-in-canada-its- il legal-to-broadcast-lies-and-label-it-news-according-to-canadian-law.ht m  - but this is Canadian.. and well.. your girlfriend sent it to you, so it's totally bogus...
 
2013-02-15 11:42:15 AM  

The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?


I do seem to recall that.
 
2013-02-15 11:43:03 AM  

The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread


I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

 

Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...


That is a complete fabrication, and you should feel bad for posting that garbage:

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/
 
2013-02-15 11:43:31 AM  

Kome: I think it depends on the context of how you're using the source. I have cited sources that are manifestly absurd and deceitful sources (e.g. Michael Behe and other creationists when writing about science education) because they served as illustrative examples of the point I was trying to make, and not because I in any way support or endorse their views. I could easily see the same use for citing any news media, whether it be Fox or CNN or whatever.


Pretty much my opinion as well. I think I understand what the prof is getting at (garbage citations), but I think his aims would be better suited by requiring students to take a course in Critical Thinking, to install a BS detector in each of them. This would also tend to weed out the most egregious left-wing sites as sources as well. Fox news can serve as an illustrative example of a particular media niche market being manipulated to certain political ends that benefit a particular party, and as a demonstration of how political speech can be distorted for the same ends.
 
2013-02-15 11:44:48 AM  

Weaver95: something like that. the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...a


False.

0/10
 
2013-02-15 11:45:00 AM  

halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.


you should probably stop trolling the thread, then people would go back to ignoring you.  incidentally - what's your take on Fox News?  do you consider them a valid source of information, equal to say...CNN or MSNBC?
 
2013-02-15 11:45:04 AM  
Forgot to mention MSNBC and the Huffington Post ?
 
2013-02-15 11:45:08 AM  

mudesi: Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?


Well, LSherm is, anyway...
 
2013-02-15 11:45:49 AM  

RY28: Forgot to mention MSNBC and the Huffington Post ?


Seems legit.
 
2013-02-15 11:45:57 AM  

Weaver95: The Voice of Doom: Marcus Aurelius
Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?

Yeah. Like Weaver95 mentioned - weren't FOX lawyers the ones who were successfully arguing in court that FOX is providing entertainment and not news?

something like that.  the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...and they won the case.  so...why would you want to listen to an organization that actually put down real money in a real court case to confirm that they've got a legal right to lie to you?

I just don't understand the Republicans anymore.  they LOVE to be lied too and abused.  makes no damn sense if you ask me.


Says the TotalFarker.
 
2013-02-15 11:46:28 AM  
College and university complaint policy should begin with: are you a parent of a student? Then STFU and have your adult kid make the complaint.
 
2013-02-15 11:47:19 AM  

halfof33: Weaver95: something like that. the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...a

False.

0/10




True

how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?
 
2013-02-15 11:47:29 AM  

Weaver95: you should probably stop trolling the thread, then people would go back to ignoring you. incidentally - what's your take on Fox News? do you consider them a valid source of information, equal to say...CNN or MSNBC?


Hmmmm, you intentionally deleted the link showing that you completely misrepresented that facts in that Court case.  Shock.

I think they are all garbage, just like your false claims in this thread.
 
2013-02-15 11:48:34 AM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you should probably stop trolling the thread, then people would go back to ignoring you. incidentally - what's your take on Fox News? do you consider them a valid source of information, equal to say...CNN or MSNBC?

Hmmmm, you intentionally deleted the link showing that you completely misrepresented that facts in that Court case.  Shock.

I think they are all garbage, just like your false claims in this thread.


all news stations are equally bad...so watch fox news?

now where have I heard that before....
 
2013-02-15 11:50:38 AM  

Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.


Considering that people who get thier news were significantly better informed than people who get their news from Fox News? I'd say Yeah, he's a great way to get your news.
 
2013-02-15 11:52:15 AM  

Weaver95: how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?


Yeah, I'll take a non-partisan organization devoted to protecting the 1st Amendment over the farking Wikipedia, ya mope.

"It would be nice to hope that this analysis will finally put to rest the myth of a First Amendment "right to lie" case involving FOX News. Nice, but probably unrealistic. At the very least, it should give ammunition to those intent on countering this particular wild internet rumor."

Man, even using the god damn link you gave it is clear that they are talking about a farking affiliate.

Who is drooling, sport?
 
2013-02-15 11:52:18 AM  
The Onion predicts the future.
Fox rewrites the past.
CNN is the new E!
 
2013-02-15 11:52:20 AM  
I tutor through the student support office for extra cash - I have seen students cite the amazon customer reviews as a valid source. They even wrote "Gary said  this" for every single one of them.
 
2013-02-15 11:53:07 AM  
Doesn't it depend on what you're citing? For instance, if you want to quote a government official on something he said, and he said it while being interviewed on Fox News, how else are you supposed to cite it? Or does the fact that he said it on Fox News mean that he never really said it?
 
2013-02-15 11:53:27 AM  
I assumed the headline was a joke.  Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus.  Then I read the article.

The students who complained were right to do so.

(Saying this as a Liberal)
 
2013-02-15 11:53:29 AM  

Weaver95: all news stations are equally bad...so watch fox news none?


Fixed that for you chief.
 
2013-02-15 11:54:58 AM  
ah, political science. Like taking a course for underwater basket weaving
without all that learning and ability nonsense.

Arguing against fox without including every single other american news source
just makes you a jackass

1) you are being lied to and led
2) they are ALL lying to you
3) drink more ovaltine
 
2013-02-15 11:55:52 AM  
Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.
 
2013-02-15 11:56:05 AM  

Ebbelwoi: Like it or not it's a news source


They argued and won in court that they are NOT a news source, but entertainment, and as such had the right to lie in its stories.  Their work is perfectly acceptable as satire.
 
2013-02-15 11:56:59 AM  
I have an English prof this term who, wisely, does not accept any internet sources. I'm assuming this includes the Fox News website. Not that it's as much of an issue in a Shakespeare class, but the policy definitely isn't biased.

/Students can use digital peer-reviewed sources accessed via the library's database, thankfully.
 
2013-02-15 11:57:05 AM  
Considering Fox News was denied a broadcast license in Canada because it's against the law to 'lie in the news' there, I'd say prohibiting students from using Fox as a source has quite a bit of merit.

Source:   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-b e -moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html
 
2013-02-15 11:57:37 AM  
The New York Times listed The Onion's Our Dumb Century on their non-fiction best seller book lists.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/25/bsp/papernonfictioncompare.htm l

Suck on that, smarty-pants!!!
 
2013-02-15 11:57:39 AM  

halfof33: Weaver95: how can you fail so hard and not short out your keyboard with all that drooling...?

Yeah, I'll take a non-partisan organization devoted to protecting the 1st Amendment over the farking Wikipedia, ya mope.

"It would be nice to hope that this analysis will finally put to rest the myth of a First Amendment "right to lie" case involving FOX News. Nice, but probably unrealistic. At the very least, it should give ammunition to those intent on countering this particular wild internet rumor."

Man, even using the god damn link you gave it is clear that they are talking about a farking affiliate.

Who is drooling, sport?


you are, apparently.  what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them.  you aren't fooling anyone you know.  just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what.  its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.
 
2013-02-15 11:58:25 AM  

kevinatilusa: I assumed the headline was a joke.  Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus.  Then I read the article.

The students who complained were right to do so.

(Saying this as a Liberal)


Go back and read the comment of the student who's actually in that class. The professor is no biased idiot...the author of TFA, however...
 
2013-02-15 11:59:24 AM  
CNS (Cybercast News Service) from its start has always been a defender of right wing Christians from the liberals that want to destroy them. It used to be fairly honest (in terms of making things up) and was mainly slanted in what it chose to cover and omissions within its stories - people's affiliations, contradictory information, etc.

I visit CNS rarely but when I do I've noticed that they have graduated to "reporting as facts things other media  say" rather than actual fact checking - once somebody else  makes up something it is ok to report as a fact. For example CNS reported that the "Sandy Hook shooter was a Satanist"  They attributed this to the Daily Mail who when you checked attributed it to the National Enquirer who in turn  used an unverified claim by someone of what they had seen  on the web..
 
2013-02-15 11:59:37 AM  
kevinatilusa
I assumed the headline was a joke. Surely no professor would be such a biased idiot to include something like that in their syllabus. Then I read the article.
The students who complained were right to do so.


You might want to read on to the not-really-working comment section.
To quote a comment from TFA which doesn't make the alleged Fox News ban sound too little, too late:


As one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples.

She further explained that, if we could make a good argument for using one of these sources (as several people in class have) that she would permit it. She just wanted us to explore a variety of sources, rather than simply accepting a single perspective.

She has NOT (as TV9 claims), "lifted any limitation on research sources", because there was no real limitation to begin with.

The "upset students and parents", are one set of parents who happen to be the extremely conservative and politically influential parents of one student who is failing. So rather than talk to her or anyone else at the University, they are trying to discredit her.

All of this is hardly surprising, WWVA is a Fox radio affiliate, and Bloomquist only has a show because of he spreads offensive lies and half-truths (Look at his comments about coal miners from last April).

What is sad is that WTOV is being so ignorant as to accept for face value what Bloomquist said. This is what happens with yellow journalists on a slow news day, I suppose
 
2013-02-15 12:00:31 PM  
college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.
 
2013-02-15 12:01:22 PM  

Weaver95: Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.


You could start a news show run by dogs and monkeys under that premise.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)
 
2013-02-15 12:02:30 PM  
december:  But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.

what do you think about the comments posted here defending Fox News as an 'unbiased news source'?  you don't have to name names of course...i'm just curious what you think of fox news and the folks who defend them.
 
2013-02-15 12:03:39 PM  

Weaver95: they LOVE to be lied too and abused.


So you watched the SOTU address too?  ;-)

Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

"We must make a strong working class, by raising minimum wage"  Is something someone says when they don't have a clue about how an economy works. By rising the price of labor you weaken the demand. so this = stupid

"We need to take your guns away while we buy fulling automatic guns for cops"  Is something said by someone that is power hungry and doesn't think you should have the right to defend your life, so this = evil.
 I'm sure you can think of 10 examples from both parties.
 
2013-02-15 12:03:59 PM  

december: college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.


It might not hurt to start using this too.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:03 PM  

MonoChango: mudesi: Are we still pretending that Fox News is a credible news outlet and not a propaganda machine?

Well I've always operated under the assumption that Fox was owned by a group of powerful people that are more right leaning and MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, ect. are owned and operated by a coordinated democratic propaganda machine.  I mean it is fairly easy to see just by the way they talk.  CNN has a long history of made up stories as well as covered up stuff that they should have reported.  I don't watch enough of either to know if FOX is any worse or better.  I suppose your opinion depends on if you are a right or left winger.

That is why I get my news from FARK.  :-)


I suppose that's one way of looking at it. I would disagree, but could understand the perspective.

As far as Fox goes, their owners do tend to personally lean (heavy) "conservative", but that's not the -reason- for their bias. Fox's stance is all about having a tight grip on a specific demographic, and maintaining that grip by catering to their beliefs.
Other News Corp properties (such as the WSJ and the NY Post) tend to reflect this as well.

MSNBC ([now] owned by Comcast, the nations largest cable provider and GE, a heavy industries and defense contractor) originally launched quite conservative but wasn't making a dent in Fox's stranglehold on that segment, so intentionally went heavy liberal to specifically serve as a "counter" to Fox and grab their own demo pie slice.
NBC News proper tries to maintain a neutral stance, but tends to lean liberal due to sharing many resources and staff with MSNBC

CNN (TBS, a division of TimeWarner) who pioneered cable news and did so with a fairly even hand (albeit with a slight pro-government slant during the first Gulf War) in the beginning has since devolved into pure sensationalism. They have no decided lean one way or the other, but will rather try to present a story in any way they think will grab them eyeballs from Fox or MSNBC.

ABC (Disney) and CBS (CBS Corp) both have somewhat conservative ownership (morseo CBS, whose largest shareholder is Sumner Redstone), but their news divisions tend to be fairly neutral.

On a whole, whether a news outlet is liberal or conservative tends to depend on the observers' own bias. American liberals would likely qualify as centrists or even slightly conservative in much of the rest of the world.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:15 PM  
Weaver95
Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama. For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the ..


[freepermode]
That only proves how much Ofartbongo manipulated those elections.
[/freepermode]
 
2013-02-15 12:04:39 PM  
As someone who is returning to school I can say that in my anecdotal experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I like to think of myself as a moderate who leans left on most social issues but most of the kids in classes make me feel like a right wingnut.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:59 PM  

Canton: I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)


You obviously haven't seen Fox and Friends.
 
2013-02-15 12:06:25 PM  

Weaver95: you are, apparently. what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them. you aren't fooling anyone you know. just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what. its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.


You know why, because you are here repeating a grossly unfounded, untrue internet rumor, and there are people here who due solely to their political inclinations would be willing to accept that even though it is a god damn lie.

And that is why you are now spinning a completely unfounded ad hominem fallacy in an attempt to spin out of responsibility for repeating a false tale.

Attack me all you want sport, I'll just keep on linking to non-partisan sources that demonstrate you are full of shiat.
 
2013-02-15 12:06:45 PM  

halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

  Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...

That is a complete fabrication, and you should feel bad for posting that garbage:

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/


You know, if you read that whole thing, you see that the jury never said anything about whether Fox lied or not. Just that they decided Fox couldn't be held by the regulations they were attempting to reference, and that Fox was ok in firing them.

"In other words, the FCC's policy against news distortion is simply not covered under Florida's whistleblower statute. The court never addressed the First Amendment defenses raised by the FOX affiliate, and in fact the term "First Amendment" appears nowhere in the six-page decision. "

So basically, the court never addressed it. But Fox DID use it as a defense.

BTW... the Mark Mills that owns that Campaign Freedom site gave $5K to the RNC, and has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Not sure I trust their opinion on Fox News as far as I can throw it, given that Fox has proven that it's basically the media wing of the GOP.
 
2013-02-15 12:07:08 PM  

Canton: Weaver95: Keep in mind that Fox News was also consistently reporting a Romney landslide against Obama.  For months prior to the election they were saying Obama was toast, Obama was gonna lose, the Democrats were doomed, gay marriage was gonna fail, nobody would ever legalize cannabis anywhere ever for any reason...then each and every one of their predictions was proven wrong.

so even if you don't want to believe fox news and their 'right to lie' court case, you STILL have the problem of a news organization that has a ZERO percent success rate when it comes to predicting trends in this country.  do you know how hard you have to work to be wrong so many times and on that many issues!?  statistically speaking Fox News should have gotten at least something right...even random guesses would have had a better success rate.

You could start a news show run by dogs and monkeys under that premise.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying, please, somebody, start a dog and monkey news show. (If there isn't one already.)


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I agree completely. Animal driven newscasts are far too rare.nowadays.
 
2013-02-15 12:07:14 PM  
Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...
 
2013-02-15 12:08:28 PM  
MonoChango:
Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent.  the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.  Sure, the Democrats slant their views (its politics - duh!) but the GOP will flat out lie to you, KNOW they're lying to you, know that YOU know you are being lied to...and demand that you believe the lie as if it was gospel truth.  its almost as if the Republican leadership needs to see their followers debase themselves in service to their party.
 
2013-02-15 12:09:52 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Lsherm: Can't indoctrinate the kids if you let them read what they want, now can you?

Not surprising to see the Fark libs cheering this - they're all closet fascists anyway.  And the first thing a fascist does when he takes power is limit the information to propaganda.

"One of our values at West Liberty is to encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion," said Robin Capehart, president of West Liberty University.

Whatever you say, Stalin.

Wait, we can't be fascist and Stalinist! Either were commies or fascist-two totally different ideology!


No really.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:05 PM  

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


More Bud Light is sold each year then Shiner Bock.  Does that make it a better beer?
 
2013-02-15 12:10:07 PM  

december: college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.


My girlfriend is a dean and she taught me the best way to write most papers (this may only work for non-traditional intelligent students).

She has access to an online database of peer reviewed journals (forget the name). And she told me "write whatever you want, then search the database for support. Someone else out there thinks something similar to your thought and it is easier to find something later that lines up with your reasoning than to do the research first then write. Also it will more likely be in your words and you wont have to worry about triggering the plagiarism software."

Has significantly cut down the time it takes me to write papers.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:09 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you are, apparently. what I can't figure out is why you defend Fox News while at the same time pretend to dislike them. you aren't fooling anyone you know. just admit what we already know - you're in the tank for the GOP and will always defend them and their media engine no matter what. its all good man, nobody here will think the less of you for it.

You know why, because you are here repeating a grossly unfounded, untrue internet rumor, and there are people here who due solely to their political inclinations would be willing to accept that even though it is a god damn lie.


why would you give me so much power over you...?  that's very strange.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:42 PM  

Duke Skymocker: Considering Fox News was denied a broadcast license in Canada because it's against the law to 'lie in the news' there, I'd say prohibiting students from using Fox as a source has quite a bit of merit.

Source:   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-b e -moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html


Wow... that is also completely untrue.  I'm at a loss.

Your link, even though it is partisan nonsense, still doesn't support that claim.

the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.
 
2013-02-15 12:10:53 PM  

Pitabred: halfof33: The Bestest: yanno, for someone who claims to not watch Fox News, you were sure quick to this thread

I dunno, there were lots of the Syndrome sufferers here long before me.

But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay?  I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

  Nai: http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. "

Just sayin...

That is a complete fabrication, and you should feel bad for posting that garbage:

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/

You know, if you read that whole thing, you see that the jury never said anything about whether Fox lied or not. Just that they decided Fox couldn't be held by the regulations they were attempting to reference, and that Fox was ok in firing them.

"In other words, the FCC's policy against news distortion is simply not covered under Florida's whistleblower statute. The court never addressed the First Amendment defenses raised by the FOX affiliate, and in fact the term "First Amendment" appears nowhere in the six-page decision. "

So basically, the court never addressed it. But Fox DID use it as a defense.

BTW... the Mark Mills that owns that Campaign Freedom site gave $5K to the RNC, and has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Not sure I trust their opinion on Fox News as far as I can throw it, given that Fox has proven that it's basically the media wing of the GOP.


Er... WHICH has purchased a lot of equipment from his company. Proofreading fail :(
 
2013-02-15 12:12:07 PM  

doyner: clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...

More Bud Light is sold each year then Shiner Bock.  Does that make it a better beer?


The most common meal in the world is a bowl of rice.
 
2013-02-15 12:12:43 PM  
halfof33:
the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions.  c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what.  it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.
 
2013-02-15 12:13:27 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33:
the hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing, even for Fark Liberals.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions.  c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what.  it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.


There is hope, I once had you pegged that way.
 
2013-02-15 12:13:50 PM  

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


Your FARK page is comedy gold.  A+ for effort.
 
2013-02-15 12:14:08 PM  

jst3p: The most common meal in the world is a bowl of rice.


I like rice.
 
2013-02-15 12:14:49 PM  

Weaver95: why would you give me so much power over you...? that's very strange.


Why does Weaver always respond to posts with a question like this....?  That is very odd.

And why does Weaver revert to this dodge when he has been blown so far out of the water that tiny chunks of him are raining down in Siberia....? That is very strange

/lolz..
 
2013-02-15 12:15:46 PM  
No wonder she is a temp professor  You don't openly say that, you just knock off 10% for every reference you think is BS. Besides, if it's a class where politics is being debated, you need to allow for contrasting viewpoints. And if it isn't, you can flunk them for referencing fox news on a chem paper.
 
2013-02-15 12:18:35 PM  
College students should only be using peer reviewed academic sources. This rules out all infotainment " news" outlets.
 
2013-02-15 12:18:56 PM  

Weaver95: I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.


Ad hominem.

The first refuge of the scoundrel.  Again, if you can rebut the link and the other information I gave to prove you lied, go for it!

Or ad hominem, hell, whatever sport, I'm a big boy.  You can ad hom me and I'll just quote things that show you are full of shiat:

Clearly, the story that FOX News got a court ruling in favor of its right to "lie" in its news broadcasts has become something of a talking point among the cable news channel's detractors. There's only one problem - the story as popularly told is completely false, and is based almost exclusively on hysteria, hyperbole, and half-truths.

Game on, champ.  Call me "half-wit" next, that is what failures usually do when I've shattered their fragile egos with facts.
 
2013-02-15 12:19:39 PM  

december: college prof here,

my lower level classes are forbidden from consulting outside sources. They have the assigned texts, and they have my handouts and lecture notes. this is mostly just to catch cheaters, but also to prevent students from getting out of their depths when writing papers.

my upper level classes can cite whatever they want, but i tell them that anything that is not peer reviewed should be used for informational (rather than academic) purposes only. If you want to cite Yahoo! Answers go right ahead. But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.


Those are both good policies.  I mandate that student papers must have at least N citations, and only print sources count.  This way, they can cite a CNN.com article about hackers, but when they get down to details about network attack and defense they have to go to journal articles or conference papers---or books, but outside of the textbook nobody cites books. It's not a huge inconvenience because most published papers in EE/CS are available online anyway---requiring a print citation just helps to distinguish between Fark and academic sources.

Of course, this doesn't prevent half the papers from arriving on my desk with 5 URLs as citations, but then I get a nice, broad grade distribution.
 
2013-02-15 12:20:34 PM  

jst3p: As someone who is returning to school I can say that in my anecdotal experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I like to think of myself as a moderate who leans left on most social issues but most of the kids in classes make me feel like a right wingnut.


In today's academic setting, if you don't bow before the alter of "Group Think" then you are the enemy.
"One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority." -Robert A. Heinlein
If you disagree with the authority (Teacher) you are at best ignorant and at worst evil incarnate. Authority will not except that you have different ideas or that you have come to your own conclusions based on facts and life experience.  If you don't accept their answers and world view (ALL OF IT) then you are not accepting their authority end of story so you must be a _________. (fill in blank for most evil thing they can thing of off the top of head)
 
2013-02-15 12:21:50 PM  

Weaver95: except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent. the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.


I know many people that would say the same thing about the Democrats.
 
2013-02-15 12:22:22 PM  
I took an American government class last semester. The proff was unabashedly liberal. It actually made the class easier, my papers were all as libby lib lib as they could possibly be. Aced the class.
 
2013-02-15 12:23:03 PM  

Publikwerks: No wonder she is a temp professor  You don't openly say that, you just knock off 10% for every reference you think is BS. Besides, if it's a class where politics is being debated, you need to allow for contrasting viewpoints. And if it isn't, you can flunk them for referencing fox news on a chem paper.


All you lazy farkers bashing the crappy prof just simma down now:

From the comments:

"Posted by Unbiased atAs one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples. 

She further explained that, if we could make a good argument for using one of these sources (as several people in class have) that she would permit it. She just wanted us to explore a variety of sources, rather than simply accepting a single perspective.

She has NOT (as TV9 claims), "lifted any limitation on research sources", because there was no real limitation to begin with.

The "upset students and parents", are one set of parents who happen to be the extremely conservative and politically influential parents of one student who is failing. So rather than talk to her or anyone else at the University, they are trying to discredit her.

All of this is hardly surprising, WWVA is a Fox radio affiliate, and Bloomquist only has a show because of he spreads offensive lies and half-truths (Look at his comments about coal miners from last April).

What is sad is that WTOV is being so ignorant as to accept for face value what Bloomquist said. This is what happens with yellow journalists on a slow news day, I suppose"
 
2013-02-15 12:24:06 PM  
I don't know... seems to me that if you hand in a paper that's based on information from FOX news, and it turns out the information in your paper is wrong (GASP!) because you used an unreliable political source... don't be surprised if you get a failing grade.

For the record, I probably wouldn't use MSNBC for a political paper either (maybe if it was a political opinion piece).  There are plenty of other news sources that don't intentionally try to give just a right or left slant.  Sensationalize, yes.  That's fairly common.  But most news sources don't try to alienate their readership based on political affiliation.
 
2013-02-15 12:24:19 PM  

seelorq: "Posted by Unbiased atAs one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples.


There is no such thing as an unbiased news source.
 
2013-02-15 12:25:21 PM  
This is a completely ridiculous line of argument. Right now, I can go to their library and find completely unreliable book sources for nearly any topic, but not a specific media source she disapproves of. Thank goodness college professors are god-like beings whose feelings in the classroom trump reality outside the walls of their institutions.
 
2013-02-15 12:26:11 PM  

Weaver95: december:  But anything you want to use to actually support your argument should probably come from the library or JSTOR.

what do you think about the comments posted here defending Fox News as an 'unbiased news source'?  you don't have to name names of course...i'm just curious what you think of fox news and the folks who defend them.


most of my courses are primarily argument based rather than fact based, so i can avoid this issues for the most part. that said, i tell students that they are responsible for fact checking their papers. if i can google something and find conflicting accounts which they have not gone out of their way to explain, then the paper grade suffers.

basically the take home message is: the student is aways responsible for providing balance. relying on Fox is just a dumb strategy given these constraints. the hope is that they develop good instincts about bias, even when it is tilted towards things they already think. Bias we like is just as bad as bias we dislike.
 
2013-02-15 12:26:23 PM  
He's probably German. All that sunlight messes up their minds.
 
2013-02-15 12:29:21 PM  
Fox News, a professional news organization

lulz
 
2013-02-15 12:29:58 PM  

jst3p: seelorq: "Posted by Unbiased atAs one of Dr. Wolfe's students I am really angered by this whole 'tempest in a teapot'. In fact, the people commenting negatively toward Dr. Wolfe (below) show why she is absolutely correct in this matter. Their views have been skewed by bad reporting. We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples.

There is no such thing as an unbiased news source.


"We were told, in-class, that she did not want us using biased sources, and mentioned some extreme left, and extreme right, as well as special interest "news" organizations as examples."

Cherry-pick some more tidbits. Her context is pretty damn obvious.
 
2013-02-15 12:31:20 PM  

MonoChango: In today's academic setting, if you don't bow before the alter of "Group Think" then you are the enemy.


... it sure sounds like you're well acquainted with today's academic setting.
 
2013-02-15 12:32:19 PM  

PacManDreaming: The sad thing is, is that The Onion is more accurate than Fox News.


Yeah, but their timing is wrong, most of their stories are posted somewhere between a month and a decade earlier than the actual event.

jst3p: There is no such thing as an unbiased news source.


Fortunately that's not what she told them to find.  She just told them not to use a biased news source, i.e. a source where the entire source has a unified, coherent political agenda for which it acts as a propagandist.

There are plenty of networks that don't have a specific or network-related bias, basically any network but Fox or CSNBC qualifies.  The fact that there are individual author biases, statistical biases, etc, are different things than source bias at the network level.
 
2013-02-15 12:32:21 PM  
If I was in this class I'd find some reason to cite fox and if I got points off I'd be in the dean's office. I mean WTF is someone going to cite from Fox in a political science paper that'd be innaccurate, stuff from their website, the same stuff you see on every news website? And fark, what if Fox happened to be the only place an interviewer asked a question which was relevant to your topic. It's a primary news source.

Pop Quiz, which of these doesn't count as a primary source:
a) the Aryan Brotherhood Weekly interviews some leading Neo-Nazi
b) Bill O'Riley interviews Mitch McConnell and asks a policy question about the future of green energy
c) The Sociality Times interviews people from Occupy Wall Street
d) Sean Hannity says gay marriage is destorying our morals

YOU GET A BARIN MOARONS!

/it seems more like this professor sucks at teaching how to do citations
 
2013-02-15 12:33:10 PM  

MonoChango: jst3p: As someone who is returning to school I can say that in my anecdotal experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I like to think of myself as a moderate who leans left on most social issues but most of the kids in classes make me feel like a right wingnut.

In today's academic setting, if you don't bow before the alter of "Group Think" then you are the enemy.
"One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority." -Robert A. Heinlein
If you disagree with the authority (Teacher) you are at best ignorant and at worst evil incarnate. Authority will not except that you have different ideas or that you have come to your own conclusions based on facts and life experience.  If you don't accept their answers and world view (ALL OF IT) then you are not accepting their authority end of story so you must be a _________. (fill in blank for most evil thing they can thing of off the top of head)


Spoken like a loyal Fox affiliate.

9/10
 
2013-02-15 12:33:35 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: commies or fascist-two totally different ideology


Actually, historically they have hated each other because they are so similar.  Sort of like the Lutherans Vs Catholics in the 1600's.  As far as I have been able to figure out (correct me if you think I'm wrong) but the only difference is:
Fascist is when a small group of business owners take over and setup a central controlled totalitarian government.
Communist is when a small group of "Workers" take over and setup a central controlled totalitarian government.
End result is the same just a different group in power.
 
2013-02-15 12:34:27 PM  

The Bestest: jst3p: The most common meal in the world is a bowl of rice.

I like rice.


Ditto. Rice is delicious.

/Heading to the grocery for a bag of Basmati.
//Among other things.
///What were we talking about again?
 
2013-02-15 12:36:25 PM  
Propaganda is not news,. Propaganda is Fox Newschannel.
 
2013-02-15 12:37:09 PM  

pedobearapproved: If I was in this class I'd find some reason to cite fox and if I got points off I'd be in the dean's office


I am pretty sure if the proff states in the syllabus not to use a source for whatever reason and you decide to you aren't going to have a leg to stand on.
 
2013-02-15 12:37:32 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: why would you give me so much power over you...? that's very strange.

Why does Weaver always respond to posts with a question like this....?  That is very odd.

And why does Weaver revert to this dodge when he has been blown so far out of the water that tiny chunks of him are raining down in Siberia....? That is very strange

/lolz..


I find you a very strange sort of person.  you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.
 
2013-02-15 12:38:48 PM  

MonoChango: Weaver95: except that that the GOP seems to lie with almost gleefully malicious intent. the Republicans are almost Orwellian in how they approach their ideology.

I know many people that would say the same thing about the Democrats.


And they would be wrong.  seriously - did you ever TRY to get a bunch of Democrats to all agree on something?  Republicans, on the other hand, are easy to force into lock step.
 
2013-02-15 12:41:27 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.

Ad hominem.

The first refuge of the scoundrel.  Again, if you can rebut the link and the other information I gave to prove you lied, go for it!

Or ad hominem, hell, whatever sport, I'm a big boy.  You can ad hom me and I'll just quote things that show you are full of shiat:

Clearly, the story that FOX News got a court ruling in favor of its right to "lie" in its news broadcasts has become something of a talking point among the cable news channel's detractors. There's only one problem - the story as popularly told is completely false, and is based almost exclusively on hysteria, hyperbole, and half-truths.

Game on, champ.  Call me "half-wit" next, that is what failures usually do when I've shattered their fragile egos with facts.


you sure do like to nail yourself up on that cross.  I asked questions about Fox news and their complete lack of credibility and you've tried to turn it into something about yourself.  you do this sort of thing a lot you know.

here. lets try this again - do you think Fox news is as credible as CNN or MSNBC?  and don't cop out with a lame 'they're all the same' statement either 'cause they're NOT 'all the same'.
 
2013-02-15 12:43:07 PM  
What was left out of all this is she told them not to use MSNBC either. Cause as we all know it isn't a credible news source either. Actually what she told them is not to use any of these verbatim and that if they could show good cause to include them in their research that she would allow it. All she was trying to do was have them go to non-traditional news sources if you could call either Fox or PMSNBC news sources.
 
2013-02-15 12:45:22 PM  

Weaver95: I find you a very strange sort of person. you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.


Another gross fabrication.

I have DIRECTLY responded to and debunked the issue YOU RAISED in this thread regarding their credibility.  Strike One.

I have DIRECTLY addressed and DEBUNKED the fabrication someone else raised regarding "FOX news" in Canada..  Strike TWO.

I have pointed out that rather than address the substance of these posts YOU have resorted to ridiculous ad homimen fallacies. Strike Three.

Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

Stop lying, man up, admit your mistakes or please STFU.
 
2013-02-15 12:45:22 PM  
I pity the small minded people that willingly submit to Fox Newschannel and AM talk radio.

Sad and pathetic people.
 
2013-02-15 12:47:51 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I find you a very strange sort of person. you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.

Another gross fabrication.

I have DIRECTLY responded to and debunked the issue YOU RAISED in this thread regarding their credibility.  Strike One.

I have DIRECTLY addressed and DEBUNKED the fabrication someone else raised regarding "FOX news" in Canada..  Strike TWO.

I have pointed out that rather than address the substance of these posts YOU have resorted to ridiculous ad homimen fallacies. Strike Three.

Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

Stop lying, man up, admit your mistakes or please STFU.


again, you avoided my questions and try to turn this into a personal attack.

so you don't see any difference between fox news and CNN...?  none at all?  how about fox news and MSNBC?  do you believe fox and MSNBC are identical in terms of how they report the news?
 
2013-02-15 12:48:29 PM  

Weaver95: I asked questions about Fox news and their complete lack of credibility and you've tried to turn it into something about yourself. you do this sort of thing a lot you know.


lie:

Weaver95: I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.

 
2013-02-15 12:48:42 PM  
ITT, people argue how bad foxnews channel is when the professor was probably referring to foxnews.com/.
 
2013-02-15 12:49:40 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I asked questions about Fox news and their complete lack of credibility and you've tried to turn it into something about yourself. you do this sort of thing a lot you know.

lie:

Weaver95: I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.


truth.

/well that was easy.
 
2013-02-15 12:51:43 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: all news stations are equally bad...so watch fox news none?

Fixed that for you chief.


Oh omniscient paragon teach me your ways! I cast myself down at your feet imploring you to break me free of my horse blinders that give me the oh so ignorant tunnel vision. You speak in tongues that baffle the world's greatest minds and have the ability to read nothing but yet stay informed. Please, oh please teach me your ways. I offer you my best goat and my second best goat to your village. Surely you are some sort of revered high chief that protects your village from the ignorance that plagues our modern society. Pleas teach me your ways.
 
2013-02-15 12:52:00 PM  

Weaver95: gain, you avoided my questions and try to turn this into a personal attack.


Lie.  You personally attacked me when I destroyed your fabrication.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.

You started the ad hominems, i just finished them

/I am baffled at the level of sneering contempt you have for the people reading this thread.
 
2013-02-15 12:53:04 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: gain, you avoided my questions and try to turn this into a personal attack.

Lie.  You personally attacked me when I destroyed your fabrication.

I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.

You started the ad hominems, i just finished them

/I am baffled at the level of sneering contempt you have for the people reading this thread.


so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting.  hmm.
 
2013-02-15 12:53:44 PM  

Weaver95: /well that was easy.


Of course it was easy, for you. Lies come quite easily to you.  We also note that unlike me, you have failed to support you contention with anything at all.
 
2013-02-15 12:53:52 PM  
The Daily Show is still OK, right?
 
2013-02-15 12:55:37 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: /well that was easy.

Of course it was easy, for you. Lies come quite easily to you.  We also note that unlike me, you have failed to support you contention with anything at all.


I ask a question, you dodge and/or change the subject and then call ME names.  you do this in almost every thread.

so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC?  you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.
 
2013-02-15 12:55:52 PM  

MonoChango: Weaver95: they LOVE to be lied too and abused.

So you watched the SOTU address too?  ;-)

Anytime you invoke politics you are probably being lied to by both parties.  The only difference I have been able to see is that some do it with evil intent, and others do it because they are ignorant. You can tell the difference by asking who gets and who loses power.

"We must make a strong working class, by raising minimum wage"  Is something someone says when they don't have a clue about how an economy works. By rising the price of labor you weaken the demand. so this = stupid


AH now I get it ... when people earn relatively less they spend relatively more

so when for one hour's minimum wage in 1971 I could buy 10 hostess fruit pies (out of a convenience store), 5 gallons of gas or two packs of cigarettes, that was devastating to the economy?

If only they had paid workers less, then we could have been then; where we are now ,,, economically speaking of course

darn darn darn
 
2013-02-15 12:56:36 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: why would you give me so much power over you...? that's very strange.

Why does Weaver always respond to posts with a question like this....?  That is very odd.

And why does Weaver revert to this dodge when he has been blown so far out of the water that tiny chunks of him are raining down in Siberia....? That is very strange

/lolz..


Cute personal attack. However, you have yet to actually respond to any questions in a meaningful way, or cite any sources to support your claims. Which isn't acceptable in the 'liberal' world of academics.

Can I ask what you studied in college?
 
2013-02-15 12:57:03 PM  

Weaver95: so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting. hmm.


Looks around.  Yes of course it is, it has nothing to do with the substance of the argument whatsoever...

Oh I get it, you think that ad hominem fallacies are limited to insults!  I get it!  I get it, you don't understand, you don't get "logic."

interesting indeed. And here you thought you were being "clever."
 
2013-02-15 12:57:38 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting. hmm.

Looks around.  Yes of course it is, it has nothing to do with the substance of the argument whatsoever...

Oh I get it, you think that ad hominem fallacies are limited to insults!  I get it!  I get it, you don't understand, you don't get "logic."

interesting indeed. And here you thought you were being "clever."


so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC?  you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.
 
2013-02-15 12:58:43 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: /well that was easy.

Of course it was easy, for you. Lies come quite easily to you.  We also note that unlike me, you have failed to support you contention with anything at all.


CAN'T YOU TWO SEE THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE?!?!?!? Kiss him and get it over with!
 
2013-02-15 12:58:49 PM  
So if Fox has an interview with a Senator and a student wants to quote from that interview i guess said student would be SOL.
 
2013-02-15 12:59:08 PM  

Weaver95: I like how you deny reality, then act shocked when people react to your actions. c'mon man - just admit what we already know: you're a GOP voter and will support them no matter what. it's what everyone already has you tagged as anyways.


Actually, I have him tagged as "tard fluffer."
Close enough.
 
2013-02-15 12:59:30 PM  

RelativeEase: So if Fox has an interview with a Senator and a student wants to quote from that interview i guess said student would be SOL.


I wouldn't trust fox news if they told me the sky was blue or that water was wet.
 
2013-02-15 12:59:46 PM  

Weaver95: so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC? you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.


Oh my god.....

halfof33: Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.


I am at a loss, I truly am.  Can weaver not go back and read the posts in this thread??  Why would he keep grossly misrepresenting the thread?
 
2013-02-15 12:59:47 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I find you a very strange sort of person. you absolutely refuse to address the issue(s) of Fox New and their complete lack of credibility.

Another gross fabrication.

I have DIRECTLY responded to and debunked the issue YOU RAISED in this thread regarding their credibility.  Strike One.

I have DIRECTLY addressed and DEBUNKED the fabrication someone else raised regarding "FOX news" in Canada..  Strike TWO.

I have pointed out that rather than address the substance of these posts YOU have resorted to ridiculous ad homimen fallacies. Strike Three.

Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

Stop lying, man up, admit your mistakes or please STFU.


Lets see if you stand by your own convictions, admit to being a liar, and STFU.

From your link;

Whatever the truth of the dispute between the two reporters and WTVT, it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story or assert the"right to lie"in its broadcasts. Instead, the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives under the First Amendment - editorial prerogatives that are indisputable, if the guarantee of a free press means anything.

They didn't assert their "right to lie," just their right to say whatever they want regardless of facts. As usual this just boils down to yet another one of your semantic faux arguments.

I read your entire link, and it boils down to this and, "but Fox won so therefore they didn't argue a right to lie." Except that they did, that was their defense. Or maybe you just don't know what editorials are?

Either way, apologize for falsely asserting the story was "complete fabrication," because it's not. It is 100% true, and even the opinion legal post you had to dig around to find doesn't refute it.
 
2013-02-15 01:00:47 PM  

RelativeEase: So if Fox has an interview with a Senator and a student wants to quote from that interview i guess said student would be SOL.


read harder
 
2013-02-15 01:03:11 PM  
Oh yeah now I remember why I rarely come out here anymore. I knew there was a reason.
 
2013-02-15 01:04:13 PM  

justtray: From your link;

Whatever the truth of the dispute between the two reporters and WTVT, it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story or assert the"right to lie"in its broadcasts. Instead, the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives under the First Amendment - editorial prerogatives that are indisputable, if the guarantee of a free press means anything.

They didn't assert their "right to lie," just their right to say whatever they want regardless of facts. As usual this just boils down to yet another one of your semantic faux arguments.

I read your entire link, and it boils down to this and, "but Fox won so therefore they didn't argue a right to lie." Except that they did, that was their defense. Or maybe you just don't know what editorials are?

Either way, apologize for falsely asserting the story was "complete fabrication," because it's not. It is 100% true, and even the opinion legal post you had to dig around to find doesn't refute it.


Am I in bizarro world?  Did you just post that.....

Whatever the truth of the dispute between the two reporters and WTVT, it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story or assert the"right to lie"in its broadcasts. Instead, the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives under the First Amendment - editorial prerogatives that are indisputable, if the guarantee of a free press means anything.

Do you know what "did not.... admit" means?  "it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story."

You have intentionally turned that sentence into the EXACT opposite of what is says.

I am at a loss.  That is the worst post I have ever seen.
 
2013-02-15 01:04:18 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC? you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.

Oh my god.....

halfof33: Further, I have stated that ALL 24 Hour News Channels are farking garbage (just not based on the lies you told) Walk Off Grand Slam Home Run.

I am at a loss, I truly am.  Can weaver not go back and read the posts in this thread??  Why would he keep grossly misrepresenting the thread?


ok, but WHY do you believe this?  details, man!  details!  WHY do you believe all 24 hour news channels are garbage?  what - SPECIFICALLY - makes you distrust all news channels?  gimme a list - it doesn't even have to be a long list.  just two or three things you find wrong with CNN, MSNBC and Fox News.

lets make this simple for you:

I, halfof33, do hereby affirm and acclaim the following things to be wrong with the below mentioned cable news channels:

Fox news is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

MSNBC is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

CNN is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

Just copy/paste the above format and fill in the blanks.  it don't get any easier than that my friend.
 
2013-02-15 01:05:18 PM  

munchy: Oh yeah now I remember why I rarely come out here anymore. I knew there was a reason.


You shouldn't stop here. This is bat country.
 
2013-02-15 01:06:51 PM  
Batshiat crazy!!!
 
2013-02-15 01:08:49 PM  

Weaver95: ok


After accusing me of lying, and dodging the question now he wants me to jump through his little hoops, without even acknowledging the dozens of baseless claims he made against me.

Here's your answer:  Turn off the TeeVee and pick up a book.

Start with one on logic.
 
2013-02-15 01:10:20 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: ok

After accusing me of lying, and dodging the question now he wants me to jump through his little hoops, without even acknowledging the dozens of baseless claims he made against me.

Here's your answer:  Turn off the TeeVee and pick up a book.

Start with one on logic.


lets' try this again:

I, halfof33, do hereby affirm and acclaim the following things to be wrong with the below mentioned cable news channels:

Fox news is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

MSNBC is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

CNN is wrong because:
1.
2.
3.

Just copy/paste the above format and fill in the blanks.
 
2013-02-15 01:10:24 PM  
We had to do powerpoint presentations in my government class. The instructions were pretty specific about crediting sources for any picture used. Soooo many kids credited Google.
 
2013-02-15 01:10:35 PM  
Frankly; the only news I watch are the daily show and the Colbert report. They tend to be the most balanced; as they lampoon everyone. But, you can tell which way they lean by who they lampoon more. I just think it's symptomatic of current political winds that shows that are intended to be funny are the best source for actual news.

Personally; I feel that all of the 24 hour news channels have agendas to push. And, until we can have real integrity and honesty in the news again; our news networks are farces that seek to entertain; not inform us.
 
2013-02-15 01:11:13 PM  
Did anyone mention that Romney will not be sworn in until 2013?

halfof33 - credible since never.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7365771/79826938#c79826938
 
2013-02-15 01:12:59 PM  

halfof33: justtray: From your link;

Whatever the truth of the dispute between the two reporters and WTVT, it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story or assert the"right to lie"in its broadcasts. Instead, the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives under the First Amendment - editorial prerogatives that are indisputable, if the guarantee of a free press means anything.

They didn't assert their "right to lie," just their right to say whatever they want regardless of facts. As usual this just boils down to yet another one of your semantic faux arguments.

I read your entire link, and it boils down to this and, "but Fox won so therefore they didn't argue a right to lie." Except that they did, that was their defense. Or maybe you just don't know what editorials are?

Either way, apologize for falsely asserting the story was "complete fabrication," because it's not. It is 100% true, and even the opinion legal post you had to dig around to find doesn't refute it.

Am I in bizarro world?  Did you just post that.....

Whatever the truth of the dispute between the two reporters and WTVT, it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story or assert the"right to lie"in its broadcasts. Instead, the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives under the First Amendment - editorial prerogatives that are indisputable, if the guarantee of a free press means anything.

Do you know what "did not.... admit" means?  "it seems clear that the station did not at the trial court level admit that it had attempted to distort the news story."

You have intentionally turned that sentence into the EXACT opposite of what is says.

I am at a loss.  That is the worst post I ha ...


You mean the guy's opinion whose blog you are now claiming to be absolute fact? Yes of course not, because as I bolded, it is demonstratably and factually incorrect. Asserting their right to say whatever they want regardless of the facts (editorial) is exactly the same as aruging "right to lie."

I don't know why you're so stupid, but please stop slurping up the lies and distortions. It's dribbling off your lips and all over your face.

Let me reiterate again for you, in very simple English;

Blogger opinion - "it seem clear the station... did not assert it attempted to distort the story"
Factual statement - "the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives" (right to lie)
 
2013-02-15 01:13:47 PM  

Weaver95: In the syllabus, the professor allegedly says, "The tagline Fox News makes me cringe."

fox news did have a court room slap fight to confirm that they've got the legal right to lie to their audience.  And they use that 'right' every chance they get.  so...yeah.  I can see why a Professor might have a problem with their organization.


So do NBC and CBS lie, only they didn't go to court to prove it, they just do it.
 
2013-02-15 01:14:34 PM  

MonoChango: Darth_Lukecash: commies or fascist-two totally different ideology

Actually, historically they have hated each other because they are so similar.  Sort of like the Lutherans Vs Catholics in the 1600's.  As far as I have been able to figure out (correct me if you think I'm wrong) but the only difference is:
Fascist is when a small group of business owners take over and setup a central controlled totalitarian government.
Communist is when a small group of "Workers" take over and setup a central controlled totalitarian government.
End result is the same just a different group in power.


Communism is an economic system. Fascism is a political system. You might as well compare capitalism and democracy. Apples and oranges.
 
2013-02-15 01:20:15 PM  
 

justtray: Blogger opinion - "it seem clear the station... did not assert it attempted to distort the story"
Factual statement - "the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives" (right to lie)


Blogger?  Jesus. You think that the Center for Competitive Politics (CCP),  is a blogger?

And claiming that a statement that "editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives" = "right to lie" is the dumbest god damn thing i have read in a thread full of stupid god damn things.

Just stop it.
 
2013-02-15 01:21:22 PM  

MonoChango: jst3p: As someone who is returning to school I can say that in my anecdotal experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I like to think of myself as a moderate who leans left on most social issues but most of the kids in classes make me feel like a right wingnut.

In today's academic setting, if you don't bow before the alter of "Group Think" then you are the enemy.
"One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority." -Robert A. Heinlein
If you disagree with the authority (Teacher) you are at best ignorant and at worst evil incarnate. Authority will not except that you have different ideas or that you have come to your own conclusions based on facts and life experience.  If you don't accept their answers and world view (ALL OF IT) then you are not accepting their authority end of story so you must be a _________. (fill in blank for most evil thing they can thing of off the top of head)



Wow, I know I am late to the party, but this is the stupidest not-obviously-a-troll post I have ever seen.  I want to assume that with the crazy number of grammatical errors and misuse of homophones I can invoke Poe's law, but part of me fears that isn't the case.

Please clarify, do you really think academia is as you have represented it?
 
2013-02-15 01:24:47 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

The Network of fake exploding pickups
 
2013-02-15 01:26:42 PM  
Ahahahahahahaha! Oh Man!
 
2013-02-15 01:30:37 PM  
Who cares? The use of Fox "News" as a cited source for a college paper would only reflect a complete absence of critical thinking on the part of the student. So either he fails the assignment, or he's pushed through and joins the ranks of useless-degree zombies wandering the job market.

If you're determined to be an idiot, it's not likely anyone's going to be able stop you.
 
2013-02-15 01:39:23 PM  

Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.


Wait, are you serious? So Fox News and Jon Stewart are on the same level of journalistic integrity?
 
2013-02-15 01:41:02 PM  

doyner: clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...

More Bud Light is sold each year then Shiner Bock.  Does that make it a better beer?


Good point. But I don't like also never got peoples' boner for Shiner Bock.
 
2013-02-15 01:43:03 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: something like that. the point being that Fox news went to court to prove they had a legal right to flat out lie to their audience...a

False.

0/10


Well, since you have never benn correct ever about anything, point goes to Weaver95.
 
2013-02-15 01:43:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They also said Wolfe has gone back to the class and lifted any limitation on research sources


Good.  Let the lazy and gullible expose themselves so I can flunk them, or at least hold them up to ridicule before the entire class.
 
2013-02-15 01:50:20 PM  

blatz514: Zachery: Later in the syllabus it goes on to mention that students should not abuse white space to make their fact-sparse articles look bigger than they really are.

Thank you for mentioning that.  I had a English prof. that made us write a 20 page paper all in single space.  Gah.


He sold printer ink on the side?

As a freelance writer, I was always amused that I could charge $1.25 per word even for "a," "of," "the," etc.  Some editors even paid me for my byline.

Yeah, I was a freelance writer that long ago.  Mark Twain got a better rate than most gigs pay today.
 
2013-02-15 01:53:50 PM  
A source is a source,
Of course, of course,
And no can challenge a source,
Of course.
That is, of course,
Unless the source
Is a famous Talking Head!
 
2013-02-15 01:55:32 PM  
I think I scared halfof33 away.
 
2013-02-15 01:56:08 PM  

ghare: 0/10

Well, since you have never benn correct ever about anything, point goes to Weaver95.


Sounds fair:  1/10.

Thanks, genius.
 
2013-02-15 01:56:24 PM  

halfof33:  justtray: Blogger opinion - "it seem clear the station... did not assert it attempted to distort the story"
Factual statement - "the station claimed its editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives" (right to lie)

Blogger?  Jesus. You think that the Center for Competitive Politics (CCP),  is a blogger?

And claiming that a statement that "editorial decisions were based on an effort to air a fair and accurate story, and defended its editorial prerogatives" = "right to lie" is the dumbest god damn thing i have read in a thread full of stupid god damn things.

Just stop it.


In that case keep on slurping.
 
2013-02-15 01:58:47 PM  

Weaver95: I think I scared halfof33 away.


lolz

halfof33: But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay? I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.

 
2013-02-15 01:59:41 PM  

StrangeQ: And due to the butthurt of the retarded conservative students and their equally mentally challenged parents, the professor lifted the ban.


Or, you know, they pointed out the immense farking hypocrisy of saying they "encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion" and then say "except that one...it makes me cringe (presumably through disagreement with the profs political leanings)".

Cause, you know, telling someone they encourage them to do something while actively discouraging them is pretty much the textbook definition of being a farking hypocrite.
 
2013-02-15 01:59:54 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I think I scared halfof33 away.

lolz


so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more?  maybe change the subject...?
 
2013-02-15 02:08:34 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I think I scared halfof33 away.

lolz

halfof33: But again folks, lets try not to make every thread about me, mmmm'kay? I mean it is flattering and all, but 16.5 Derangement Syndrome is getting as boring as Fox News Derangement Syndrome.


Shouldn't be off somewhere Benghazi-ing?

/chess with a pigeon
 
2013-02-15 02:10:03 PM  
The kids can read anything the want. Just don't expect anyone to accept it as a source.
 
2013-02-15 02:11:42 PM  

Weaver95: so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more? maybe change the subject...?


It is funny, the last time you lied and said I didn't answer your question, it turns out i had answered your question.  In this case you want me to explain my opinion why I think all 24 hour news channels are dreck and that people like you who are obsessed with them are Enterprise Class Losers?

No, weaves I'm not going to do that.  Why you might ask? Top ten reasons!

1. I'm not your biatch
2. This thread ain't about me
3. I read.
4. You lie like a mother farker
5. I'm not Obsessed with TeeVee News, like you losers.
6. I'm not your monkey
7. I don't watch CNN
8. I don't watch MsNBC
9. I don't watch FOX

and the final reason is

10. the real weaver95 is tied up in his basement, and his douchebag grandson has hijacked his account and is pretending to be him to keep cashing his social security checks!

Hooray!

feel free, though to drone on about how nifty whatever worthless station you watch all day is.  We all find your obsession with Fox News fascinating.....
 
2013-02-15 02:12:47 PM  
Once again I repeat myself, "Fox News" is an oxymoron.
 
2013-02-15 02:13:55 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more? maybe change the subject...?

It is funny, the last time you lied and said I didn't answer your question, it turns out i had answered your question.  In this case you want me to explain my opinion why I think all 24 hour news channels are dreck and that people like you who are obsessed with them are Enterprise Class Losers?


you can't do it, can you?  you can't explain your own beliefs or statements.  that right there is evidence enough I suppose.
 
2013-02-15 02:17:03 PM  
...Fox News, a professional news organization.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha...deep breath..
s18.postimage.org
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!
 
2013-02-15 02:17:44 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more? maybe change the subject...?

It is funny, the last time you lied and said I didn't answer your question, it turns out i had answered your question.  In this case you want me to explain my opinion why I think all 24 hour news channels are dreck and that people like you who are obsessed with them are Enterprise Class Losers?

you can't do it, can you?  you can't explain your own beliefs or statements.  that right there is evidence enough I suppose.


33's answer to any question that has him stumped is "I've already answered that like a billion times."
 
2013-02-15 02:19:18 PM  

Weaver95: I think I scared halfof33 away.


It's not nice to tease like that....
 
2013-02-15 02:19:55 PM  

halfof33: 5. I'm not Obsessed with TeeVee News, like you losers.


-This- is actually why I made my initial comment.
Now, I still have no reason to disbelieve your statement that you don't watch cable news, but it is certainly a curiosity that you have spent so much energy in this thread.
 
2013-02-15 02:19:59 PM  

udhq: Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more? maybe change the subject...?

It is funny, the last time you lied and said I didn't answer your question, it turns out i had answered your question.  In this case you want me to explain my opinion why I think all 24 hour news channels are dreck and that people like you who are obsessed with them are Enterprise Class Losers?

you can't do it, can you?  you can't explain your own beliefs or statements.  that right there is evidence enough I suppose.

33's answer to any question that has him stumped is "I've already answered that like a billion times."


its fascinating tho.  he can't explain his beliefs, but he fervently believes in them and won't dare let anyone question him on it.  I'm starting to think he doesn't understand his own ideology.
 
2013-02-15 02:20:39 PM  

Weaver95: you can't do it, can you? you can't explain your own beliefs or statements. that right there is evidence enough I suppose.


My belief that I think all 24 Hour News Channels are garbage?  Seriously?  lolz

I'd ask you to regale us with tales of why whatever TeeVee show you watch is the bee's knees, but honestly nobody farking cares.
 
2013-02-15 02:24:51 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you can't do it, can you? you can't explain your own beliefs or statements. that right there is evidence enough I suppose.

My belief that I think all 24 Hour News Channels are garbage?  Seriously?  lolz


But WHY do you believe this...?  details!

you can't explain it tho, can you?  you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'.  you just 'know it'.  you don't actually think much about it, you just 'know' that you are right.  And that's what I find fascinating.  there is no evidence that you even understand your own stated beliefs.
 
2013-02-15 02:24:56 PM  
Jesus Christ liberals are morons.

Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

Remember, liberal "news" networks are saying Rubio is done because he took a sip of water. That is what liberals are, weirdos who can't handle the truth.

Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.
 
2013-02-15 02:26:24 PM  
images.wikia.com

Oh Halfie!!!
 
2013-02-15 02:26:37 PM  

Weaver95: And they would be wrong. seriously - did you ever TRY to get a bunch of Democrats to all agree on something? Republicans, on the other hand, are easy to force into lock step.


Story time with MonoChango:
My wife is in her office (academic) when a grad student comes in and places a list on her desk.  All it says is a number and yes or no.  "102 - Yes,  103 - No" and so on.
"What is this?"  she asks.
gs, "That is how Congressman Grijalva needs us to vote."
wife,  "But it doesn't say what the proposition is, or more importantly, why I should vote this way."
gs, "What does it matter?  That is how we need to vote."

Now in reality or even internet land there are lots of Democrats that argue with each other, but in my experience within academia, it is purely dictated by authority.   Any and all thoughts, idea, or actions outside of or against any leftist authority is not tolerated. (your mileage will vary)
Have you hung out with real republicans?  I have friends who are are so leftist they might as well be communist and others that patrol the boarder in their free time.  They both have blind spots. So the question is not "Do you have blind spots?" but "What are they?"  (Hint it is usually in your assumptions)  Again in my experience, it is usually the leftist that don't think they have any, and the rightist that know they do.  (your mileage may vary)  The biggest one I've seen is the leftist quickly assume they know why someone with a different opinion is doing something.  Usually they jump to the conclusion that it is out of malice without any real evidence.  "She disagrees with the president's policy because he is black." or "He doesn't like illegal immigration because he hates Mexicans"
I think it has to do with their assumption that leftism is inherently "good".  So, they find it hard to grasp the fact that good people can have a good reason to disagree with some leftist ideas. Thus the assumption that they MUST be inherently evil.  I've seen this 100's of times in these forms and in real life.  When you know what to look for it is pretty easy to spot.
"I don't like X, because of Y"
"Go get your head checked you sick racist fascist, Y is an untruth told by propagandist at FOX"
"Um I didn't say anything about race or centralized totalitarian states, I think your are a leftist troll"
"Shut up, your evil"
Yeah we have degenerated into name calling.
 
2013-02-15 02:28:01 PM  

Weaver95: udhq: Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: so were you gonna answer my question or did you wanna run away some more? maybe change the subject...?

It is funny, the last time you lied and said I didn't answer your question, it turns out i had answered your question.  In this case you want me to explain my opinion why I think all 24 hour news channels are dreck and that people like you who are obsessed with them are Enterprise Class Losers?

you can't do it, can you?  you can't explain your own beliefs or statements.  that right there is evidence enough I suppose.

33's answer to any question that has him stumped is "I've already answered that like a billion times."

its fascinating tho.  he can't explain his beliefs, but he fervently believes in them and won't dare let anyone question him on it.  I'm starting to think he doesn't understand his own ideology.


Well, in his defense, after spending that much time and energy trying to legitimize Benghazi trutherism, anyone would lose touch with the very idea that there exists an "objective reality."
 
2013-02-15 02:28:39 PM  

Thunderpipes: Jesus Christ liberals are morons.

Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

Remember, liberal "news" networks are saying Rubio is done because he took a sip of water. That is what liberals are, weirdos who can't handle the truth.

Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.


You're funny.
 
2013-02-15 02:31:04 PM  

Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.


In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.
 
2013-02-15 02:31:57 PM  
What would be even better would be if the teacher started allowing Fox news to be sourced, but corrected the misinformation given in the papers, effectively degrading the students work and eventually failing them due to "using inaccuracies and non-fact to state your arguments".

If they want to know how the real world works, teach them.  You can do whatever you like on your paper.  If it is wrong, you fail.
 
2013-02-15 02:32:34 PM  

The Bestest: -This- is actually why I made my initial comment.
Now, I still have no reason to disbelieve your statement that you don't watch cable news, but it is certainly a curiosity that you have spent so much energy in this thread.


That is actually a fair question.  I have long been baffled by the obsession with Fox News, so much so that the obsessives flat out make stuff up about it.

Further, any time I post something that goes against the Fark Lib orthodoxy, they typically respond with some idiocy about "Faux News... Derp Rush" which is hilarious, because I don't watch Fox, I don't listen to Rush or Hiannity or that crying jackass.... Glenn Beck  because I think they are idiots just like that other d-bag who came from ESPN.

It is all nonsense from hucksters trying to make a buck.
 
2013-02-15 02:32:37 PM  

halfof33: http://www.campaignfreedom.org/2009/11/03/fox-lies-videotape-debunki ng -an-internet-myth/


That actually doesn't do a good job of debunking what most people claim, which is that Fox News argued they can lie.  It spends all its time saying that the jury, court, and FCC never said Fox lied, or that they had a right to lie, and that the plaintiffs lost.  That's all well and good, but irrelevant to whether Fox's lawyers ever said Fox had a right to lie.

Of course, you're in a tough position since one cannot prove a negative.  The burden of proof is on the positive assertion, so someone should provide a citation that isn't an article in a newspaper but a citation to a filing or video or audio of the asserted claim before people should accept that Fox did it.
 
2013-02-15 02:37:04 PM  

Thunderpipes: Then again, you think 11% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits combined with terrible or negative growth in the economy is awesome, because your "God" as one liberal news reporter put it, is at the helm.


And also, calling Obama "the Messiah" or "god" is just like when McCain called Obama "the biggest celebrity in the world":  he meant it as an insult, but all it did was highlight that no one liked or wanted to follow McCain, that he was completely without charisma or any leadership qualities.

Calling Obama "god" is not an indicator of how liberals feel about Obama, it only shows the size of his influence in contrast to the profound nothingness offered by conservatives who use that line of attack.
 
2013-02-15 02:38:18 PM  

udhq: Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.


And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.
 
2013-02-15 02:39:35 PM  

Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.


Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.
 
2013-02-15 02:40:56 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.


again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.
 
2013-02-15 02:40:59 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x178]

The Network of fake exploding pickups


This.

Also, the Zimmerman tape edit.
Also, GWB's fake air force officer evaluation (oh wait, that was CBS).
 
2013-02-15 02:48:33 PM  

Alphakronik: What would be even better would be if the teacher started allowing Fox news to be sourced, but corrected the misinformation given in the papers, effectively degrading the students work and eventually failing them due to "using inaccuracies and non-fact to state your arguments".

If they want to know how the real world works, teach them.  You can do whatever you like on your paper.  If it is wrong, you fail.


That requires more work, which is why she cringes when she sees crappy sources.  She wants to teach critical thinking while avoiding it.
 
2013-02-15 02:48:38 PM  
Weaver95:
again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.

I'm not dodging anything, I am admitting the error of my ways.

I am conceding to you with open mind and humbly agreeing that:


I AM WRONG ABOUT FOX NEWS BEING GARBAGE.  I AGREE WITH WEAVER95 THAT FOX IS NOT GARBAGE AND I RESOLVE WITH THE HELP OF MY BETTERS TO UNDERSTAND WHY FOX NEWS IS NOT GARBAGE AND WHY IT WAS WRONG TO SAY THAT
\O/
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/ \

 
2013-02-15 02:50:23 PM  

Thunderpipes: udhq: Thunderpipes: Fox is like any other news station now, news, and commentary. They are more in the center than any other news outlet. But to liberals, that freaks em out.

In this case "liberals" are just people who think the role of the media is to call balls and strikes, not to reinforce the worldview you came in with.

And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.


That's objectively false.  FOX was founded by Nixon's media team, for the stated purpose of being "a counterweight" (their words, not mine.)  They themselves claim to pretense to objectivity.

Granted, CNN is now run by TV producers rather than journalists, but the end result of that is just a bias towards sensationalism.  If you're watching CNN and seeing liberalism, it's only because you think "liberalism" equates to a failure to adequately reinforce your preconceived worldview.
 
2013-02-15 02:51:59 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.


Garbage is what you discard because you have no use for it.  Seems simple enough.
 
2013-02-15 02:53:44 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.


Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.
 
2013-02-15 02:58:58 PM  

udhq: That's objectively false.


That is pretty much true of most of what that farker types.
 
2013-02-15 02:59:17 PM  

udhq: make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.


But I am saying something:  That I was wrong about Fox News being garbage. Weaves made me take a step back and think: maybe I am wrong about Fox News.

So I looked inside and said:  Oh wisdom, oh profundity.
 
2013-02-15 03:13:27 PM  

TimonC346: Cobataiwan: But Jon Stewart is a fine way to get your news.

Wait, are you serious? So Fox News and Jon Stewart are on the same level of journalistic integrity?


No, despite the fact that Jon is a comedian, he has more journalistic integrity in his little finger that Fox News has in its entire organization.
 
2013-02-15 03:25:07 PM  
this thread is now potatos
 
2013-02-15 03:31:51 PM  

udhq: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.


it's his pattern.  like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.
 
2013-02-15 03:38:56 PM  

Weaver95: t's his pattern. like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.


But Weaves, I truly want to help you help me see the error of my ways.

You said that I don't understand why I think Fox is not garbage.  You said it I "can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'."

I admit it, Fox News is not garbage.  Please help me see why I was wrong about Fox being garbage.  I mean you are smart, right?  And "clever" no doubt.  So kindly explain to your adoring legions why Fox News is not garbage.

Why is Fox News not garbage, help us Weaver. I've already admitted the error of my ways, help me LEARN....
 
2013-02-15 03:41:31 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: t's his pattern. like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.

But Weaves, I truly want to help you help me see the error of my ways.

You said that I don't understand why I think Fox is not garbage.  You said it I "can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'."

I admit it, Fox News is not garbage.  Please help me see why I was wrong about Fox being garbage.  I mean you are smart, right?  And "clever" no doubt.  So kindly explain to your adoring legions why Fox News is not garbage.

Why is Fox News not garbage, help us Weaver. I've already admitted the error of my ways, help me LEARN....


And there it is...point, set and match.
 
2013-02-15 03:44:28 PM  

Weaver95: And there it is...point, set and match.


Agreed.  Fox News is Not Garbage -- Weaver95

Weaves, you and I make a hell of a team.
 
2013-02-15 03:53:54 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: And there it is...point, set and match.

Agreed.  Fox News is Not Garbage -- Weaver95

Weaves, you and I make a hell of a team.


I was wrong. Now this thread is potatos.
 
2013-02-15 03:56:46 PM  
This thread:

i100.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-15 04:00:56 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: I was wrong. Now this thread is potatos.


Mashed potatoes my friend.  Because we made some progress, together.

theworldmeditation.com

Thanks to my good buddy Weaves, I'm going to spend all weekend watching Fox News.

I used to think it was nonsense and garbage and silly, and oh man was I all wet about that!
 
2013-02-15 04:05:24 PM  

halfof33: oh man was I all wet about that!


Dude, we really don't need to hear about all that...
 
2013-02-15 04:15:26 PM  
Is halfof33 Glenn Beck's Fark handle?

Similar argument style and such. Seems as so, anyway.
 
2013-02-15 04:20:24 PM  
Among those students are asked not to use are The Onion, an openly fictitious parody of real-life news, and Fox News, a professional news organization.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA no.
 
2013-02-15 04:26:21 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95:
again - another dodge.  you can't explain your own statements.  fascinating.

I'm not dodging anything, I am admitting the error of my ways.

I am conceding to you with open mind and humbly agreeing that:


I AM WRONG ABOUT FOX NEWS BEING GARBAGE.  I AGREE WITH WEAVER95 THAT FOX IS NOT GARBAGE AND I RESOLVE WITH THE HELP OF MY BETTERS TO UNDERSTAND WHY FOX NEWS IS NOT GARBAGE AND WHY IT WAS WRONG TO SAY THAT
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I would be terribly disappointed as a father if my 8 year old were to resort to the type of logic used above
 
2013-02-15 04:42:20 PM  

dwlf: I would be terribly disappointed as a father if my 8 year old were to resort to the type of logic used above


I'm confused, there is no arguing going on here.

I admitted error. I said Fox was garbage, I was called on the carpet, I admitted I was wrong.

I mean, anything else would be to suggest that weaver was being completely disingenuous, and I won't have that kind of talk in here, no siree Bob!
 
2013-02-15 05:14:03 PM  

clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


Huh?  You do understand how ratings work right?  Fox News != the combined sum of the other major news stations.  They are just a big arse conservative echo chamber so draw the vast majority of those who share like, albeit misguided views on the world.  So if they had 20% of the total viewers and 10 other stations had 80% with no single station having more than 15% then fox news would be the #1 rated while only having 1/5 of the total viewers.

But I do know a chicken farmer who will sell you a chicken "No questions asked".
 
2013-02-15 05:23:22 PM  

Kazrath: clane: Liberals hate #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...

Huh?  You do understand how ratings work right?  Fox News != the combined sum of the other major news stations.  They are just a big arse conservative echo chamber so draw the vast majority of those who share like, albeit misguided views on the world.  So if they had 20% of the total viewers and 10 other stations had 80% with no single station having more than 15% then fox news would be the #1 rated while only having 1/5 of the total viewers.

But I do know a chicken farmer who will sell you a chicken "No questions asked".


Fox News is the highest rated -cable- news outlet, but still draws less viewers directly against NBC Nightly News, World News Tonight or CBS Evening News. Ratings is in no way indicative of quality it must be stressed. As I explained way upthread, Fox does what it does not necessarily because it has an agenda to push, but because it's a very effective way of locking down a specific (and large) demographic.
 
2013-02-15 05:26:21 PM  
FoxNews the pet of billionaires since it started and gullible conservatives that think they care about them.
 
2013-02-15 05:37:07 PM  
What's wrong subby?

Can't take your news like man?
 
2013-02-15 05:38:37 PM  

clane: Liberals hate Conservatives love #1 rated FOX NEWS because sometimes the truth hurts...


/Amidoinitright?
 
2013-02-15 05:41:07 PM  
According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.
 
2013-02-15 05:46:02 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


Thanks Mr. Romero for informing us of that little tidbit.

The only things sadder than Fox's attempts to be funny are MSNBC's attempts to imitate Fox.
 
2013-02-15 06:06:48 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


This (topic/thread) isn't calling out Fox for being biased (or denying that MSNBC is biased as well).
This is about Fox having.. really lenient standards of journalistic integrity.
 
2013-02-15 06:22:50 PM  
Thunderpipes:
And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.

Nope, wrong again, that's not why I can't stand the greasy fox:
wizbangblog.com

upload.wikimedia.org

But hey, you like being lied to?  That's cool.
And, by the way, his name is Barack Hussein Obama.  He is your President.
Try saying it, "President Barack Hussein Obama."  There's a good lad
 
2013-02-15 06:50:05 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.
 
2013-02-15 07:02:47 PM  

vygramul: It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.


That IS another issue (though not the one on-topic).

MSNBC doesn't like to outright say they're biased, but they won't hide from it either (as a network that is; specific hosts like Maddow have no problem proudly proclaiming liberal bias).

Fox on the other hand -still- uses "fair and balanced" as an official tagline.

It is still amusing, however, when you think about it that a network with an intentional liberal bias is half owned by one of the largest military contractors.
 
2013-02-15 07:05:00 PM  

vygramul: STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.

It's certainly biased.  But this isn't just about bias, it's about the nature of the bias.  MSNBC doesn't pretend to be anything other than biased.  And prison shows.


Bias isn't the problem with fox- they don't present the news in the lens of their viewpoints, they use news to present their viewpoints.
How many networks have a show hosted by a former presidential candidate? How many have hosts who will say, months before the election, 'Romney is going to win and we just need to all get no board'?
MSNBC gives us the news as they see it. FoxNews uses the news to try to get us to think like they do.
 
2013-02-15 07:06:47 PM  
Wouldn't it be easier to state, "Students who use biased sources run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"?

I'm pretty sure it would be more educational for a student to see "Failed Research paper -- Information A from source X has been proven to be a deliberate falsehood with citation B from credible source Y" than just to say "Wharrrgarbl you used a bad source AUTO-FAIL!"
 
2013-02-15 07:06:50 PM  

tinyarena: Thunderpipes:
And Fox does that better than liberal news outlets by far. Liberals just can't stand that anyone dares actually report something negative about Bambam.

Nope, wrong again, that's not why I can't stand the greasy fox:
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But hey, you like being lied to?  That's cool.
And, by the way, his name is Barack Hussein Obama.  He is your President.
Try saying it, "President Barack Hussein Obama."  There's a good lad


Thread won.
As I interview people, I try to get a mention of fox news. If they volunteer it, guess what, no job for you. I don't need that kind of willful ignorance working at my company.
 
2013-02-15 07:07:49 PM  

elchupacabra: Wouldn't it be easier to state, "Students who use biased sources run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"?

I'm pretty sure it would be more educational for a student to see "Failed Research paper -- Information A from source X has been proven to be a deliberate falsehood with citation B from credible source Y" than just to say "Wharrrgarbl you used a bad source AUTO-FAIL!"


'Biased' is a relative term; he'd get the pants sued off of him the first time it happened. Also, not whargarbl- his point is a good one. Fox has fought in court to prove that it's not a news source.
 
2013-02-15 07:08:59 PM  

andyfromfl: Bias isn't the problem with fox- they don't present the news in the lens of their viewpoints, they use news to present their viewpoints.
How many networks have a show hosted by a former presidential candidate? How many have hosts who will say, months before the election, 'Romney is going to win and we just need to all get no board'?
MSNBC gives us the news as they see it. FoxNews uses the news to try to get us to think like they do.


Ehhh, I'll disagree slightly there.
I think it's much more that they present the news as they know their viewership wants to see it.
 
2013-02-15 07:12:12 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network.  It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


It turns out that no, this study doesn't prove that in any fashion. It proves that MSNBC provided more negative coverage of Romney than Fox did of Obama, and some other similar facts.
What it failed to define was 'negative.' Reporting that Romney classified people on welfare as it appeared he did isn't a 'negative' story.

Asking if Obama could have possibly failed his job any worse with no discernible facts or data in front of a panel of the guy with the jack nicholson joker and sarah palin, that's negative.

Fox is much more biased. It's not up for debate, your or my opinion is neither welcome nor permitted. Nor pew's. It's an observable fact outside of your own personal mind.
 
2013-02-15 07:20:27 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: so you are saying that my calling you a GOP voter is an ad hominem attack?


innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting. hmm.

Looks around.  Yes of course it is, it has nothing to do with the substance of the argument whatsoever...

Oh I get it, you think that ad hominem fallacies are limited to insults!  I get it!  I get it, you don't understand, you don't get "logic."

interesting indeed. And here you thought you were being "clever."

so - do you think Fox News is exactly the same as MSNBC?  you never answered, you just keep changing the subject and hoping I didn't notice.


A few years ago, I referred him to the wikipedia page on logical fallacies. I don't think he's ever fully recovered. I'm sorry.
 
2013-02-15 07:59:40 PM  

Weaver95: udhq: halfof33: Weaver95: you can't explain why you think CNN, Fox News and MSNBC are 'garbage'. you just 'know it'.

Jesus, Weaver you've got a hell of a point!  Maybe I'm all wet about Fox News, maybe it is worthwhile and hard hitting and worth spending some time to really get to know.

You've made your case!!!  I agree, I am wrong about Fox News being garbage, the scales have done been lifted. I admit it:

Fox News, not garbage, thanks Weaver95, you are a game changer.

/lolz, what a farking maroon.

Interesting strategy:  make a lot of noise, use a lot of words, demonstrate as much exasperation as possible and hope no one notices that you're not actually saying anything.

it's his pattern.  like I said - I don't think he even understands what he's talking about.


Understanding things in anathema to modern Republicans.
 
2013-02-15 08:18:36 PM  

andyfromfl: elchupacabra: Wouldn't it be easier to state, "Students who use biased sources run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"?

I'm pretty sure it would be more educational for a student to see "Failed Research paper -- Information A from source X has been proven to be a deliberate falsehood with citation B from credible source Y" than just to say "Wharrrgarbl you used a bad source AUTO-FAIL!"

'Biased' is a relative term; he'd get the pants sued off of him the first time it happened. Also, not whargarbl- his point is a good one. Fox has fought in court to prove that it's not a news source.


Fair enough on the "Biased" comment.  I'm not going to weigh in on the other half of your assertion, since I've read some of that case and it doesn't quite sound right.  So, perhaps a modification:

"Students who use sources that are telling reasonably verifiable falsehoods run the risk of getting an immediate 'F' with citation as to where they failed to determine their source was lying"
 
2013-02-15 08:52:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Fox News, a professional news organization

Since when has FOX News been a news organization?


Considering every time they get in trouble, they claim they're doing the same thing Jon Stewart does. Stewart regularly admits the Daily Show is not a news program, it's entertainment. If Stewart is entertainment, and Fox News is Stewart, then Fox News is entertainment. Otherwise Fox is admitting that what Stewart does is actually news and his criticisms of them are completely valid.
 
2013-02-15 09:11:50 PM  

craig328: StrangeQ: And due to the butthurt of the retarded conservative students and their equally mentally challenged parents, the professor lifted the ban.

Or, you know, they pointed out the immense farking hypocrisy of saying they "encourage students to go out and inquire and gather information and look at as many different sources as possible on any side, before you reach your opinion" and then say "except that one...it makes me cringe (presumably through disagreement with the profs political leanings)".

Cause, you know, telling someone they encourage them to do something while actively discouraging them is pretty much the textbook definition of being a farking hypocrite.


Fox News is the propaganda arm of the GOP. It's not reliable information.
 
2013-02-15 10:48:07 PM  

sxacho: A few years ago, I referred him to the wikipedia page on logical fallacies. I don't think he's ever fully recovered. I'm sorry.




CSB! Was that when you came out as a truther?

I was talking to sxacho three or four years ago and I turned him into a newt!

Nice of you to stick up for Weaves when his hypocrisy got blown the fark up in this thread, though.

Me: fox news sucks
Weaves: Why you think it suck? (i"m clever! I actually hate Fox news, tee hee!)
me: Gee, I don't care, I guess Fox is OK.
Weaves: D'oh!

Another farking great thread.
 
2013-02-15 11:24:00 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: The Daily Show is still OK, right?


Comedy Central has been found to be considered far more honest than Fox "News" in poll after poll, study after study.  Fox viewers have won the "Most Misinformed" award every, single time this entire millennium.  So I'll allow it.
 
2013-02-15 11:29:29 PM  
Students will whine about anything.
 
2013-02-15 11:43:31 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: According to a recent Pew study, MSNBC is the most biased network. It's time to abandon the FOX cliche.


Being biased telling actual lies to your viewership and having to defend yourself in court because of it.
 
2013-02-15 11:45:22 PM  

MrBallou: Footnotes:

1) Ibid: Ibid  Ibid: Ibid: Ibid Ibid: Ibid  Ibid: Ibid: Ibid:


2) mega dittos; mega dittos; mega dittos
 
2013-02-15 11:52:06 PM  
halfof33:
Me:[defending Fox from evil academic type]
Me:[obfuscating the fact Fox went to court to protect their right to lie]
Me: fox news sucks
me: Gee, I don't care, I guess Fox is OK.


You pretend to change sides an awful lot.  Let me guess: you voted for Romney, but which version of him did you think you were going to wind up with?
 
2013-02-16 12:16:34 AM  
I don't understand how, or why, you do it, Weaver.
 
2013-02-16 12:21:00 AM  

Scorpio Rex: So I'll allow it.


Whew! That was close!
 
2013-02-16 12:21:47 AM  

Scorpio Rex: You pretend to change sides an awful lot. Let me guess: you voted for Romney, but which version of him did you think you were going to wind up with?




Oh I get it it! You didn't read the links I posted. Neat. The whole destroying the lies that the partisan mutts made. I hear that after I blew up their lies, parts of them were falling in Russia.

Cool post bro
 
2013-02-16 12:24:20 AM  

BadJazz: I don't understand how, or why, you do it, Weaver.




I agree, why lie?

Thanks for posting.
 
2013-02-16 12:37:02 AM  

halfof33: BadJazz: I don't understand how, or why, you do it, Weaver.

I agree, why lie?

Thanks for posting.


You're an honest liar.  I almost respect that.

Anyway, if you'll indulge me in one respect:  I would really like to know both of your opinions of Dr. Strangelove.  I'm guessing common ground there.  Full disclosure:  I fracking love it.
 
2013-02-16 12:42:17 AM  

BadJazz: You're an honest liar. I almost respect that.




Did you like when he made up that story about Fox lying? The one I liked the best was the lie about Fox going to Canada. That was farking pants on head stupid. Agree?

You talking about the movie? I liked it too!
 
2013-02-16 01:47:20 AM  
The legitimate news show, Shepard Smith's, even biased as it is, is not popular and does not receive attention from anyone. Smith could call Romney the Anti-Christ and 98% of Fox News viewers wouldn't know of it unless it was on another Fox show.

Fox News is not a news organization. The vast majority of their programming is listed as "entertainment" and not "news". To even acknowledge it in a discussion between intelligent and non-evil adults is insulting and damaging to the human race.
 
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