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2013-02-15 12:23:35 PM  

syberpud: Taking what they liked and leaving what they didn't.


Heck, all religions do that!  For a homework assignment, find the nearest polish catholic and mention the phrase "cafeteria catholic".  Step back and enjoy the show.

/don't flame me, Stosh.
 
2013-02-15 12:25:43 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: That could get complicated fast considering the days of the week are named to honor various Nordic gods, and the sun and moon.


I did all that homework for nothing?!? Oh, sonuva biatch.
 
2013-02-15 12:25:48 PM  

Somacandra: Point of Order: Wicca is generally duotheistic--with a God and Goddess. There may also be attention to various nature spirits and ancestors depending on the sect.


See that word?  That means that your one true way has sh*t the bed, jumped the shark and become a joke.  Works on any belief system.
 
2013-02-15 12:26:47 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: palelizard: Winter-een-mas?

I prefer "Hallowgivemas." I also considered "Chrisgivingween," but it sounds too much like gay porn.


www.myrpgame.com
 
2013-02-15 12:27:21 PM  
Today is the last day of Lupercalia so I'm heading home, folks.
 
2013-02-15 12:31:17 PM  
And for fun, try pasting that thing into Word and let the spill chucker do its wonders.

*Holiday with signficant work restriction
 
2013-02-15 12:31:28 PM  

uncleacid: Nothing like a good eye of newt and toe of frog dinner.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-15 12:32:54 PM  
By and large wiccan chicks tend to be bi and large.
 
2013-02-15 12:33:01 PM  
Asking professors to respect obscure holidays that students may or may not even observe?

That's a little silly.

FOX News' outrage over how non-Christians could  DARE consider their backwards traditions worthy of equal treatment?

Significantly worse.
 
2013-02-15 12:36:28 PM  

Skwach: Now I Is!: cgraves67: Then for the sake of equality, I want no homework on any saint feast days!

That would be easy all 8 pagan holidays are mirrored catholic saint's days!


Um. . . I think it's the other way around.
Pretty sure the catholics co-opted all the again holidays, starting with christmas and easter.


Easter is tied to Passover which is based on the lunar cycle. The name Easter comes from a pagan goddess (of springtime) whose rites were celebrated at the same time. This is only true for the English-speaking world. The rest of Christians have different names for Easter, usually some variation on Paschal.  If Passover has something to do with pagan holidays, I don't know if it.

Christmas is on the same time frame as the birthday of Mithras because we wanted to give the Mithras cult something to be jealous of.  Mithras was a war god out of the Middle East that found traction with the Roman army.

A lot of the locally-recognized  saints were actually converted pagan gods, heroes, and spirits. They've largely been weeded out by the modern church.

The fact that we've co-opted so much of pagan traditions into christianity gives me a sense of perspective about the co-opting of christian holidays into secularism.
 
2013-02-15 12:42:29 PM  

Persnickety: By and large wiccan chicks tend to be bi and large.


True enough, but while the goods are odd, the odds are good.
 
2013-02-15 12:43:57 PM  

syberpud: TheBigJerk: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

shiat, the black magic orgies are the best part.

/predictable joke

Wicca does have the advantage of having a god that is older than christianity's god, while being FAR more up-to-date in terms of religion's role in modern society.

That's because Wiccans basically invented in the modern era.  Taking what they liked and leaving what they didn't.


Taking what they like and leaving what they don't = every religion ever.
 
2013-02-15 12:46:24 PM  
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Ramendan!!
 
2013-02-15 12:50:13 PM  

Mentat: I'm so ashamed of my alma mater for being inclusive.


Not a Christian, but I don't begrudge them their holidays. Knowing their historical propensities, however, I will decline the offer of a free "pagan" holiday for much the same reasons a Jew in WWII would prefer not to sport a yellow star for their coat front.

I'm liking the homebrew/naked dancing bonfire girls, however. All hail Jungian archetype of choice!
 
2013-02-15 12:50:48 PM  

cgraves67: Easter is tied to Passover which is based on the lunar cycle.


Everything Christian is tied to lunar cycles, because the Romans finally defeated Christianity by replacing it with their sun worshiping.

Sun dies on the southern cross during the winter solstice, remains 'dead' for 3 days, and is reborn for the next year on or around December 25th. All the tales of Jesus in the bible are allegories for the sun passing through the different zodiacal signs and other astrological events. I could go on, but any Christians probably already stopped reading anyway.

/behold, the great deception
 
2013-02-15 12:56:10 PM  

ArkAngel: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

But are there feats of strength?


Yes, it's who can stand the stench of Petrulli the longest.
 
2013-02-15 12:59:17 PM  
Meh, whatever.

I see no reason to not do it, because as is typical, other holidays are worked and/or time off is scaled back.

I remember getting two weeks off for christmas / new years like a mini-vacation.  Many places have scaled that back to work 2 or 3 days each week, which defeats the purpose of having a sizable break in the middle of winter, which is, to get time away!

Celebration, religion, whatever.  the functional purpose served is having enough time away from work to where you're more than ready to get back to work because you can only tolerate family and doing absolutely nothing for so long.  Most kids are all "Man, this sucks, we have to go back to school." while secretly glad for something to do.  Simply lightening the load does not accomplish, it's more depressing than anything, because you know it's only a couple of long weekends in which you have to work between, and many people only do so because of some leadership saying "just because" rather than any real need for the business/school.

Simply not enough time away from the grind and location that you're sick of being at.  The logic taken to the end of the line would be something like scaling back all holiday and weekends, work all day every day, but just adjusting the hours so that it's still 40 hours a week, and then requiring overtime(like they do now in a great many places).

So....slavery.
 
2013-02-15 12:59:49 PM  

cgraves67: Skwach: Now I Is!: cgraves67: Then for the sake of equality, I want no homework on any saint feast days!

That would be easy all 8 pagan holidays are mirrored catholic saint's days!


Um. . . I think it's the other way around.
Pretty sure the catholics co-opted all the again holidays, starting with christmas and easter.

Easter is tied to Passover which is based on the lunar cycle. The name Easter comes from a pagan goddess (of springtime) whose rites were celebrated at the same time. This is only true for the English-speaking world. The rest of Christians have different names for Easter, usually some variation on Paschal.  If Passover has something to do with pagan holidays, I don't know if it.

Christmas is on the same time frame as the birthday of Mithras because we wanted to give the Mithras cult something to be jealous of.  Mithras was a war god out of the Middle East that found traction with the Roman army.

A lot of the locally-recognized  saints were actually converted pagan gods, heroes, and spirits. They've largely been weeded out by the modern church.

The fact that we've co-opted so much of pagan traditions into christianity gives me a sense of perspective about the co-opting of christian holidays into secularism.


For some reason, I thought that easter also coincided with some pagan spring holiday that involved a fertility goddess, and that's why the easter bunny an' stuff.

I also thought that christmas was because all the christian converts kept celebrating mithras, or whatever, and so pope whoever needed to say it was a christian holiday too.

I don't know I think all these things. . . I just remember being told at some point.
 
2013-02-15 01:04:46 PM  

omeganuepsilon: So....slavery.


Rich people make money off of owning slaves.  Slaves subsist by making rich people money.  If you own a man's labor, your time is free to do commerce.  If you own a man's debt, you own the ground he stands on.  Ask the Rothschilds.  Still waiting for the great leap forward.
 
2013-02-15 01:14:37 PM  
Fark you, kid, you'll turn in your lab report when I say you turn it in, or you'll take the ten percent penalty like everyone else. Don't give me that religious holiday bullshiat, you've had a whole week to work on it.
 
2013-02-15 01:16:15 PM  
"Avoid scheduling major academic deadlines on this day, since it is likely that students will be operating on very little sleep,"

Um, work is supposed to be finished before a deadline.

"I like deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they sail over my head."  Doug Adams.
 
2013-02-15 01:17:44 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: And for fun, try pasting that thing into Word and let the spill chucker do its wonders.

*Holiday with signficant work restriction


You need a job, even if  it's only an internship or volunteering.
 
2013-02-15 01:19:34 PM  

Skwach: For some reason, I thought that easter also coincided with some pagan spring holiday that involved a fertility goddess, and that's why the easter bunny an' stuff.

I also thought that christmas was because all the christian converts kept celebrating mithras, or whatever, and so pope whoever needed to say it was a christian holiday too.

I don't know I think all these things. . . I just remember being told at some point.


Yup. The goddess involved was an Anglo-Saxon Heathen deity named "Eostre", which is where we get the word "Easter", aka "Ostara" if you are the Pagan/Heathen type. The Easter Bunny is representative of the Ostara Hare, Eostre's totem animal.

With Christmas, that's an important time of year for agrarian cultures regardless of the culture involved, because of the solstice falling around that time. Observances can last many days, depending on the tradition one follows. In my tradition, it lasts 12 days. It is also not "Christ's Mass", it is Jul/Yule. Nearly all of the Christmas traditions and trappings celebrated in the US are straight out of the original Germanic tribes' Heathen traditions. Leave out babby Jezus and you got yourself a celebration fitting for a Viking horde. (Scandinavians being one of the original Germanic tribes, of course)

There's some argument in the academic community about whether or not Eostre was actually a Teutonic goddess at all as there is no written mention of her until about 700-800 years ago. Well, no kidding. I often have to wonder how these types are called "academics" if they don't use even common sense. Most people from the assorted traditions that observe Ostara, including powerful tribal rulers
 
2013-02-15 01:19:49 PM  
Is a Mizzou student.

Is Christian.

Heartily endorses this plan.

/get on it with the Jews while you're at it
 
2013-02-15 01:21:32 PM  

Pixiest: What about "Talk Like A Pirate" day? hmmm? We're a big religion too ya know.


I had a problem with my enrollment and I had to see the registrarrrrrr.
 
2013-02-15 01:24:40 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Most people from the assorted traditions that observe Ostara, including powerful tribal rulers


Bah! Hate this touchy laptop!

Anywhoooo... they were illiterate and depended on oral traditions for their spiritual guidance. Much of the lore was written by the few educated folks of the time much, much later. Those educated folks tended to be Christian and there's no doubt in my mind that they did put a Christian "flavor" over much of the lore. Of course you're not going to find written lore before a certain time period about Eostre - or most other of the old deities - but you will find stone carvings, ritual tools and other evidence going back much, much earlier. She was definitely a big player in the old faith system, just how accurate she was depicted by the Christian (and occasional Muslim) scholars is debatable, though.
 
2013-02-15 01:25:01 PM  
Had a boss who would dump big projects on me on Friday with Monday morning deadlines.  When I complained, he grinned and said,

"There's 48 hours in a weekend, enough to get a week's worth of work done and still have time to relax."

That actually did help me develop the "work ethic" talking point for later interviews.  It was the only complaint I had about him.
 
2013-02-15 01:27:58 PM  

Evil Mackerel: ArkAngel: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

But are there feats of strength?

Yes, it's who can stand the stench of Petrulli the longest.


Who is Petrulli and why does s/he smell so bad?
 
2013-02-15 01:28:33 PM  
Heh I'm glad I had my snark art-war with the class Wiccan when the world was still open slightly bad-natured fun.

(Hey, she started it!)
 
2013-02-15 01:34:09 PM  
All these comments and no Walken?  You guys are slipping.

"I've got an all-denominational calendar over my bunk, Joel, don't you try that shiat with me again!"
 
2013-02-15 01:40:51 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Most people from the assorted traditions that observe Ostara, including powerful tribal rulers

Bah! Hate this touchy laptop!

Anywhoooo... they were illiterate and depended on oral traditions for their spiritual guidance. Much of the lore was written by the few educated folks of the time much, much later. Those educated folks tended to be Christian and there's no doubt in my mind that they did put a Christian "flavor" over much of the lore. Of course you're not going to find written lore before a certain time period about Eostre - or most other of the old deities - but you will find stone carvings, ritual tools and other evidence going back much, much earlier. She was definitely a big player in the old faith system, just how accurate she was depicted by the Christian (and occasional Muslim) scholars is debatable, though.


Oral traditions are better anyways. Crazy shiat happens when you write things down!

*sarcasm*
 
2013-02-15 01:42:49 PM  

not_an_indigo: TheBigJerk: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

shiat, the black magic orgies are the best part.

/predictable joke

Wicca does have the advantage of having a god that is older than christianity's god, while being FAR more up-to-date in terms of religion's role in modern society.

What?

Wicca is less than a century old.


Exactly.  Current practices are up-to-date.  And since they are a "resurrected" religion they have gods and faith that dates back to long, LONG before the Jews came on the scene and decided their tribal god was the only real god and their people were the only real people.
 
2013-02-15 01:47:55 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Had a boss who would dump big projects on me on Friday with Monday morning deadlines.  When I complained, he grinned and said,

"There's 48 hours in a weekend, enough to get a week's worth of work done and still have time to relax."

That actually did help me develop the "work ethic" talking point for later interviews.  It was the only complaint I had about him.


As long as that boss let you cook your week's meals, do laundry, cut your lawn, go grocery shopping, see your kid's game, go to weekend religious service, visit the parents, etc. during normal business hours, then that's a fair argument he made.  Otherwise, 4 hours a sleep a night and 20 hours of straight work a day is rough.

Your boss and people like him are what's wrong with this world.  Perhaps that's why, in olden days, there were so many minor holidays (saints' days, etc.), and restrictions on work during them.
 
2013-02-15 01:48:15 PM  

ArkAngel: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

But are there feats of strength?


All the people who said no to this have obviously never had the ordeal of trying to help carry a maypole being ridden by the May Queen, especially with the size of some of the May Queen "maidens" out there.
 
2013-02-15 01:51:16 PM  
Or the Feast of Alvis.

/It's not a hootenanny.  It's an extravaganza!
 
2013-02-15 01:53:53 PM  

TheBigJerk: not_an_indigo: TheBigJerk: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

shiat, the black magic orgies are the best part.

/predictable joke

Wicca does have the advantage of having a god that is older than christianity's god, while being FAR more up-to-date in terms of religion's role in modern society.

What?

Wicca is less than a century old.

Exactly.  Current practices are up-to-date.  And since they are a "resurrected" religion they have gods and faith that dates back to long, LONG before the Jews came on the scene and decided their tribal god was the only real god and their people were the only real people.


Actually, the Hebrews had two gods, the one we know now, and his wife.
 
2013-02-15 01:54:33 PM  
Wicca is not a Religion.
 
2013-02-15 01:55:33 PM  
Somacandra:
Point of Order: Wicca is generally duotheistic--with a God and Goddess. There may also be attention to various nature spirits and ancestors depending on the sect.

I respectfully disagree. While it is true that the outward expression of Wicca appears duotheistic, most Wiccans accept a single divinity that manifests in multiple ways, both within the self and outside the self. I would say that the best discreption of the Wiccan cosmology is panentheism. Think of the single God of the Christian church, that manifests in three Persons, The Father; The Son; and The Holy Spirit, but instead of three Persons the Wiccan cosmology holds that there are infinate manifestations of the God, including figures which would traditionally be termed "gods" and "goddesses" (including the gods of antiquity) and also including each and every person, plant rock and animal.

You will find Wiccans with a duotheistic, polytheistic, or even monotheistic cosmology, as there is no orthodoxy council for Wicca, but you will find few long-time Wiccans, especially initiated Wiccan clergy, who do not accept the panentheistic nature of Deity.
 
2013-02-15 02:01:18 PM  

CygnusDarius: TheBigJerk: not_an_indigo: TheBigJerk: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

shiat, the black magic orgies are the best part.

/predictable joke

Wicca does have the advantage of having a god that is older than christianity's god, while being FAR more up-to-date in terms of religion's role in modern society.

What?

Wicca is less than a century old.

Exactly.  Current practices are up-to-date.  And since they are a "resurrected" religion they have gods and faith that dates back to long, LONG before the Jews came on the scene and decided their tribal god was the only real god and their people were the only real people.

Actually, the Hebrews had two gods, the one we know now, and his wife.


In the Zohar (the main source of the Kabbalah tradition), one of the "feminine" aspects of God is the Shekhinah, and it is essentially God's presence on earth and the aspect that is "with" Israel (the people), depending on whether they are behaving at the time.

The Tree of Life is a way to show the various aspects of God's "personality" and how different "levels" reveal themselves to the world, but they are viewed as being just individual aspects of a single "entity."

/ much more complicated than that
 
2013-02-15 02:02:52 PM  

Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.


I find that a bit of a let down from the PR
 
2013-02-15 02:03:35 PM  

letrole: Wicca is not a Religion.


sure it is.
 
2013-02-15 02:04:13 PM  

TheBigJerk: not_an_indigo: TheBigJerk: Weaver95: ya know...I kinda like the pagans.  every time I go to one of their events there's good food and decent-to-awesome beer.  And there's almost never any black magic orgies.

shiat, the black magic orgies are the best part.

/predictable joke

Wicca does have the advantage of having a god that is older than christianity's god, while being FAR more up-to-date in terms of religion's role in modern society.

What?

Wicca is less than a century old.

Exactly.  Current practices are up-to-date.  And since they are a "resurrected" religion they have gods and faith that dates back to long, LONG before the Jews came on the scene and decided their tribal god was the only real god and their people were the only real people.


Wicca as a religion was developed in the late 40s from a mixture of a number of traditions. The term has been co-opted by anyone who wants to practice something nature-based and non-monotheistic. Wiccans honor many, MANY different gods/goddesses and pantheons. Dualism is the general rule. Wicca does NOT have A god, but Wiccans worship and/or honor whomever they choose.

///traditional Wiccan priestess, btw...
 
2013-02-15 02:04:45 PM  
Who cares, it's not any more fake than Jesus day and sky wizard day. The story should read: "people that believe in bullshiat convinced the bullshiat other ppl believe in is more bullshiat than their own bullshiat."
 
2013-02-15 02:06:12 PM  
Tammy Edwards, radio host of the nationally syndicated "Tammy Bruce Show" and Fox News contributor, said she found the guide to be indicative of an unbecoming societal shift. "It almost seems as though we're looking for excuses for people to not have to take their commitments seriously," Edwards told FoxNews.com. "It's beyond political correctness; it's almost like an excuse to do nothing. It's like societal nihilism, where nothing matters."

Look at it this way, honey, it's just another good reason to quit your job in order to spend all your time stocking your Doomsday bunker.
 
2013-02-15 02:12:31 PM  
letrole: Wicca is not a Religion.

Weaver95: sure it is.

Not really.

At best, it's a parody religion like the church of the subgenius.

To himself, every follower knows it to be bogus, but assumes that other followers do indeed take it to be real and therefore they all play along.
 
2013-02-15 02:22:19 PM  

letrole: letrole: Wicca is not a Religion.

Weaver95: sure it is.

Not really.

At best, it's a parody religion like the church of the subgenius.

To himself, every follower knows it to be bogus, but assumes that other followers do indeed take it to be real and therefore they all play along.


this is one of those things you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, isn't it?
 
2013-02-15 02:24:02 PM  

Weaver95: letrole: letrole: Wicca is not a Religion.

Weaver95: sure it is.

Not really.

At best, it's a parody religion like the church of the subgenius.

To himself, every follower knows it to be bogus, but assumes that other followers do indeed take it to be real and therefore they all play along.

this is one of those things you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, isn't it?


Letroll has a lot of theories about what other people's private motivations are.
 
2013-02-15 02:25:40 PM  

letrole: Wicca is not a Religion.


And yet you claim Atheism is.
 
2013-02-15 02:31:04 PM  

Weaver95: letrole: letrole: Wicca is not a Religion.

Weaver95: sure it is.

Not really.

At best, it's a parody religion like the church of the subgenius.

To himself, every follower knows it to be bogus, but assumes that other followers do indeed take it to be real and therefore they all play along.

this is one of those things you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, isn't it?


Umm, not to rain on anyone's parade, but his Fark name is letrole.
 
2013-02-15 02:36:25 PM  
CygnusDarius:

Umm, not to rain on anyone's parade, but his Fark name is letrole.

yes, but I drank a LOT of coffee very recently.
 
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