orbister: fredklein: Um, their advice let to the car driving 51 miles on only 32 miles worth of charge. I'd say their advice worked. It was the idiot reporter who constantly under-recharged the car who is to blame.Why would you blame him if he followed Tesla advice? It appears that they may have thought that the charge apparently lost overnight would reappear as the battery warmed up, which is why they advised a relatively low charge.
mllawso: Even if in the future they hold half the Amp-Hours of a battery, they last longer, aren't damaged by running them to 0 volts, and charge really, really quickly. Imagine driving 150 miles and "refueling" in 5 minutes
Smidge204: But the real problem with EV haters/skeptics is they fail to understand a critical point: There is absolutely no need whatsoever to recharge that quickly. Recharging an EV requires a fundamentally different culture than refueling a traditional car. "Stopping for gas" is so habitualized that few can see operating a vehicle in any other way.
fredklein: Flint Ironstag: For them they drive the car, never stop at a gas station and the car magically has a full tank of "gas" every morning.Not really-Description120V Your basic, standard wall outlet.Charge timeUsually about 22-24 hours, depending on the car.So, unless you have a dedicated 240 volt outlet (that only takes 7-8 hours!), you'll need a full day to charge.
Flint Ironstag: fredklein: Flint Ironstag: For them they drive the car, never stop at a gas station and the car magically has a full tank of "gas" every morning.Not really-Description120V Your basic, standard wall outlet.Charge timeUsually about 22-24 hours, depending on the car.So, unless you have a dedicated 240 volt outlet (that only takes 7-8 hours!), you'll need a full day to charge.From that link: "Charge times from empty"How many people will travel 300 miles to work every day, charge at work and then drive 300 miles back home? Or even 150 miles to work, no charge at work and then 150 miles back home?To put it another way, how many people buy a full tank of gas every single day?For 99.9% of people they will drive anywhere from five to fifty miles to work and their car will only need a top up charge each night, not the full 24 hour charge.
chandler_vt: Please explain how Tesla S use 90kW to charge once! I am all ears (and eyes). I am interested in the car but if its taking that much electricity then screw it.
orbister: There is a need to recharge as fast as an IC car if you are going to do long drives. For short trips it's different, I agree.
MrSteve007: While know-nothing and trolling farkers pontificate as to why EV's won't work for Americans, Nissan announced this week the selling of their 50,000th Leaf, is rapidly spinning up a domestic manufacturing plant; Tesla still has waiting lines for new cars, and the range extending Chevy Volt has seen nearly two years of steadily increasing sales.As you guys whine, scream and moan about imagined failures, the world is already changing around you. Affordable, mass manufactured EV's are available in showrooms today, and American's are snatching them up by the tens of thousands.
Prank Call of Cthulhu: And you have to spend an hour "refueling."
if_i_really_have_to: Prank Call of Cthulhu: And you have to spend an hour "refueling."Disclaimer: I know nothing about cars. I have no interest in cars. I don't drive at all, ever.Here's my question: How hard are the batteries in these to change? Wouldn't it make more sense to have battery CHANGING stations, not battery CHARGING stations?You know, pull in, pay some guy $20 to change the battery for a fresh one, and off you go. The station can charge the batteries and put them in cars that come along later.People would probably be more willing to change to electric cars if not for the recharge time.
Smidge204: dittybopper: I've thought that having an electric car that has a standard battery in place, and an optional bay available for either a fuel tank/generator combo or an additional battery would be the optimum.We had this discussion - it was a silly idea then and it's a silly idea now. A trailer hitch accomplished exactly this and does not require a visit to a service station with specialized installation equipment, nor would it require anything vehicle-specific.=Smidge=
Smidge204: We had this discussion -
dittybopper: It's like you were thinking you had to swap out the genpack every time it ran out of gas or something.
dittybopper: First, the engine would be smaller and cheaper than a conventional car engine: It only has to have enough power to keep the car cruising at highway speeds, and you'd rely on charge from the battery for acceleration.
dittybopper: But that's still cheaper than buying a whole new car because your circumstances changed (either you have a longer commute and need the extra range of the genpack/battery equipped vehicle, or you got a job closer to home, and you want to swap the genpack for a battery).
Smidge204: dittybopper: It's like you were thinking you had to swap out the genpack every time it ran out of gas or something.No, the impression is you'd have to swap in the genpack every time you felt that battery alone wasn't adequate for your needs. The assumption here is you would not want to be lugging around an ICE for the 99.9% of the time you use the vehicle, and would only burden yourself with gasoline when absolutely necessary and unburden yourself when the need has passed. Any other path is a recipe for regret.
dittybopper: This online tool seems to indicate that a relatively efficient car would consume about 11.4 KW to go 65 MPH. You can get a generator rated at 12.5KW that weighs 360 lbs and it would fit under the hood of my Hyundai Accent with room to spare.
dittybopper: But because it's not what you want right *NOW*, you reject it out of hand.
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