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(CNN)   CNN Money decides to step into the spat between Tesla and the New York Times by driving the same Boston to D.C. route in the Model-S as the NYT's reviewer did. "With a full battery, there was no need -- none at all -- to nurse the car's battery"   (money.cnn.com) divider line 368
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2013-02-15 07:29:08 AM
Well, duh.
 
2013-02-15 07:34:33 AM
The douchebag from the NYT did a hatchetjob smear article on the Tesla, and he got caught. Should have realized that the cars' computer would track enough information to debunk his claims, especially with GPS. Whoops! This new report just verifies Tesla's data.

NYT disavows and fires reporter in 3... 2... 1...
 
2013-02-15 07:50:27 AM
Remember this the next time you read *ANYTHING* in *ANY* news outlet.

Gell-Mann Amnesia.
 
2013-02-15 07:50:40 AM
Apparently the NYT reporter received some really poor advice from a Tesla spokesperson about how much battery charge was required.  He kept calling that same spokesperson for help during the trip and received more bad advice.

That spokesperson no longer works for Tesla.
 
2013-02-15 07:50:44 AM
NYT is just the propaganda arm of the GOP (well the less extremist part of the GOP if that still exists).  So of course they're going to do whatever it takes to smear clean energy sources, because it cuts into the profits of big oil.
 
2013-02-15 07:51:22 AM
art.penny-arcade.com

/Somewhat relevant
 
2013-02-15 07:54:59 AM
Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH
 
2013-02-15 07:55:09 AM
You know who ELSE tried to smear Tesla???

(it was Edison....)
 
2013-02-15 07:55:33 AM
Well, glad that debate is over. The supercharger system works fine DC to Boston if you actually charge the car like your supposed to on the way.
 
2013-02-15 07:55:43 AM
War of the Shills™
 
2013-02-15 07:58:52 AM

Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH


Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.
 
2013-02-15 07:59:08 AM

Kiwimann: Apparently the NYT reporter received some really poor advice from a Tesla spokesperson about how much battery charge was required.  He kept calling that same spokesperson for help during the trip and received more bad advice.

That spokesperson no longer works for Tesla.


Link to this? Because I've been following this pretty closely and haven't heard anything like that.

I find it pretty hard to swallow that someone from Tesla would tell him to go 62mi with only 32 rated miles left on dial. I find it harder still that he didn't even think to question it.
 
2013-02-15 07:59:48 AM

Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH


It isn't a supercar. and considering other $100k dollar sedans cost around $100 USD to fill up with gas I think it is a fair trade
 
2013-02-15 08:00:28 AM

verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.


Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.
 
2013-02-15 08:02:05 AM
Every time I read about this story, I get an earworm.

/some say....
 
2013-02-15 08:03:14 AM

csnake24: NYT is just the propaganda arm of the GOP (well the less extremist part of the GOP if that still exists).  So of course they're going to do whatever it takes to smear clean energy sources, because it cuts into the profits of big oil.


0/10. You need to start with something halfway believable before you expand on it.
 
2013-02-15 08:03:33 AM

Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.


And you have to spend an hour "refueling."

$100k supercar is a piece of crap. That's just what I want to do when I drive, constantly worry if I can make it to the next recharging station and then spend an hour cooling my heels. Who the fark would be retarded enough to buy one of these?
 
2013-02-15 08:04:42 AM
Well thank God fuel guzzling muscle cars are still way cheaper
 
2013-02-15 08:05:05 AM

Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

 It's still a nascent technology, yeah, and if you're driving where there aren't many quick charge stations (even though there are quite a few other sorts of charging stations) you probably should be cautious still, but it doesn't mean you have to keep it under 60MPH anyway.


If you drove across a desert with few petrol stations, you'd probably be cautious about your fuel status too. More charging stations will come, and when they do, it'll get easier. Remember, Petrol has had a hundred years to get all of it's infrastructure in place, give electrics a bit of time.
 
2013-02-15 08:05:11 AM

Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.


once there are more charging stations that won't be necessary. also most people just use their vehicle for short commutes and an electric car would be ideal for that. also no carbon emissions,no noise pollution,no terrorist funding petrol.
 
2013-02-15 08:05:55 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.

And you have to spend an hour "refueling."

$100k supercar is a piece of crap. That's just what I want to do when I drive, constantly worry if I can make it to the next recharging station and then spend an hour cooling my heels. Who the fark would be retarded enough to buy one of these?


If I was insanely wealthy I'd buy one, and have my servant follow me in a ZR1. We would then swap when I have to recharge. But then he'd never be able to catch up, as I could refuel in like 3 minutes.

I'd never see my loyal servant again.
 
2013-02-15 08:07:56 AM
Media Controversy Advertising Step 3: have Shill B debunk the the negative claims of Shill A, profit.
 
2013-02-15 08:08:09 AM

Hobodeluxe: Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.

once there are more charging stations that won't be necessary. also most people just use their vehicle for short commutes and an electric car would be ideal for that. also no carbon emissions,no noise pollution,no terrorist funding petrol.


Of course, I don't doubt that. But as it stands, if I bought a Tesla (or, given my income level, a Nissan Leaf), I'd still have to have a second car, as sometimes I like to drive longer distances. If I want to drive from Ohio to North Carolina, I'd rather not have to stop and wait for 30 minutes every X miles.

That's why I struggle with pure electric cars: Unless they can get charge time to like... 5 minutes, I can't see owning one. Hybrids? Sure. Makes sense.
 
2013-02-15 08:09:07 AM

Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH


Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.


Super trolls at work, here. TAKE NOTES! This is how it is done!


/Totally gonna get one of these
//debating if I need the supercharging option...
 
2013-02-15 08:10:26 AM

dittybopper: Remember this the next time you read *ANYTHING* in *ANY* news outlet.

Gell-Mann Amnesia.


Except news media is just the ultimate outlet for a variety of sources.  The op-ed on the subject with which you are familiar comes from some local yahoo with his own byline, and the story about Palestine or whatever comes from the international AP wire, which employs actual investigative journalists.

This assumption that one element of a paper being wrong invalidates the rest of it is 1. illogical given the above and 2. the reason why idiots dismiss entire publications as "right wing" or "left wing" shills even when both publish literally the same story in the same words.

So, basically... no.  Ethos does not work that way.  Newspapers don't have peer review or even fact check, stop being lazy and read the author or source citation and make some effort to be actually informed about things.

//And of course, as a general rule, technical subject and in-paper analysis = grain of salt, recounting of events and direct quotes from primary sources = probably all right.
//Not rocket science.
 
2013-02-15 08:10:30 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Who the fark would be retarded enough to buy one of these?


It would be absolutely perfect for a well-to-do liberal living in a city suburb who pretty much always flies anywhere if he's going more than 150 miles. Also a green married couple that's solidly in the upper middle class. They could own two vehicles and just take the gas one if they're worried about a long trip.
 
2013-02-15 08:10:37 AM

csnake24: NYT is just the propaganda arm of the GOP (well the less extremist part of the GOP if that still exists).


Right.   That's why the NYT has endorsed only democrats for president since 1960.  Must be a double-bluff.  It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.
 
2013-02-15 08:10:59 AM

maddermaxx: Kiwimann: Apparently the NYT reporter received some really poor advice from a Tesla spokesperson about how much battery charge was required.  He kept calling that same spokesperson for help during the trip and received more bad advice.

That spokesperson no longer works for Tesla.

Link to this? Because I've been following this pretty closely and haven't heard anything like that.

I find it pretty hard to swallow that someone from Tesla would tell him to go 62mi with only 32 rated miles left on dial. I find it harder still that he didn't even think to question it.


The only information that he was supposed to have gotten from the Telsa spokesperson that he followed was to turn off cruise control to allow for more braking regeneration. I'd also like to see a link because the other advice he received from Tesla employees he apparently totally ignored.
 
2013-02-15 08:11:33 AM

mekkab: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.

Super trolls at work, here. TAKE NOTES! This is how it is done!


/Totally gonna get one of these
//debating if I need the supercharging option...


I'm genuinely not trying to troll, but if I was going to spend my entire year's income on a car, I'd rather not have to wait 30 minutes every X miles to recharge. I just can't fathom who, beyond the super rich, this car is for.

I'm sure they're fantastic, awesome, incredible vehicles with amazing torque and awesome handling and all of that jazz, but can you honestly imagine owning one in a day to day life, without having a second car? That just seems like such an awkward proposition.
 
2013-02-15 08:11:34 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.

And you have to spend an hour "refueling."

$100k supercar is a piece of crap. That's just what I want to do when I drive, constantly worry if I can make it to the next recharging station and then spend an hour cooling my heels. Who the fark would be retarded enough to buy one of these?


you have to spend an hour refueling after you traveled 240 MILES.

95% of your normal usage is:  drive around town, go home, plug in

The other 5%?  Drive for 4 hours, stop for food, drive for another 4 hours, stop to stretch pee, read for the other 50 minutes...drive 4 hours..  Seriously.

if I had the 100K *I* would buy one.

Its geek girl magnet time.
 
2013-02-15 08:11:45 AM
The supercharger stations are supposed to charge it in much less time. And I think with the big battery the rang is pretty good. Perhaps not enough to take a long road trip. But, most people could do their normal driving and have no worries about the battery. Recharge it at night and its good to go the next morning.
 
2013-02-15 08:11:50 AM

Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH


Unless you're on a German autobahn, why would you ever need a car that goes over 60 MPH? Last I heard, there are these things called "speed limits" and electric cars like the Tesla can reach them.

My commiserations about your tiny penis. Have you considered buying a great big fark-off gun to make yourself feel better?
 
2013-02-15 08:12:39 AM

dittybopper: Remember this the next time you read *ANYTHING* in *ANY* news outlet.

Gell-Mann Amnesia.


Soooo... You linked to a conservative Catholic philosophical magazine that essentially says that we should discount all media accounts (except presumably theirs). You're not noticing how medieval Catholic that is? Discount science, discount that heathen Greek philosophy, don't read the Bible directly, just trust our version of everything... Hey, give us enough money you can go right to heaven!

/First Things is actually decent for what it is
//But that's a dangerous thing to advocate, given the history
 
2013-02-15 08:13:22 AM

Greywar: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.

And you have to spend an hour "refueling."

$100k supercar is a piece of crap. That's just what I want to do when I drive, constantly worry if I can make it to the next recharging station and then spend an hour cooling my heels. Who the fark would be retarded enough to buy one of these?

you have to spend an hour refueling after you traveled 240 MILES.

95% of your normal usage is:  drive around town, go home, plug in

The other 5%?  Drive for 4 hours, stop for food, drive for another 4 hours, stop to stretch pee, read for the other 50 minutes...drive 4 hours..  Seriously.

if I had the 100K *I* would buy one.

Its geek girl magnet time.


I'd buy one too, if I could drop 100k on a car like that. It'd be neat to have one. But I can't really see "reading for 50 minutes on a road trip" as a legitimate suggestion.
 
2013-02-15 08:13:57 AM
How hard would it be to treat electric car batteries like propane tanks?  You stop at the station and and swap your empty one for a full one.  Or am I missing an obvious problem with that?
 
2013-02-15 08:14:05 AM

csnake24: NYT is just the propaganda arm of the GOP

 
2013-02-15 08:14:06 AM

dittybopper: Remember this the next time you read *ANYTHING* in *ANY* news outlet.

Gell-Mann Amnesia.


The thing is, newspapers aren't all written by the same person, so while I might write off one correspondent, I usually will give the benefit of the doubt to the next one. Unless the entire publication reaches a critical mass of bullsh*t, at which point it becomes a tabloid.
 
2013-02-15 08:14:46 AM

YixilTesiphon: csnake24: NYT is just the propaganda arm of the GOP


Uh, let's try that again.

reverberated.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-15 08:14:48 AM
That mere 70 miles of buffer made me a little nervous, especially after I missed an exit and added a few miles to the trip. I followed Tesla's recommendations and kept the cruise control pegged to between 60 and 65 much of the way and kept the climate control at 72 degrees. And I minimized stops.

That is a pretty shiatty driving experience for $100k.
 
2013-02-15 08:16:31 AM

alowishus: How hard would it be to treat electric car batteries like propane tanks?  You stop at the station and and swap your empty one for a full one.  Or am I missing an obvious problem with that?


That could work, but it makes people very uncomfortable. You'd have to come up with a complicated pricing scheme. You'd have to sell the car sans battery. Batteries are not a fungible product. No one wants to walk out of a dealership with a new battery and on their first long trip swap it for one that has been through 800 charge cycles. Some people have proposed a system whereby you purchase the car without the battery at great discount and then pay a service to lease the battery, but this takes the good feeling out of not having to pay for gas.
 
2013-02-15 08:17:34 AM
Fine, except that the NYT's journey was taken in exceptionally cold conditions which borks the batteries.

Hotdog453: can you honestly imagine owning one in a day to day life, without having a second car?


No, but how many people with $100k cars don't own a second car? If your commute was in and out of LA I can absolutely see the appeal.
 
2013-02-15 08:18:44 AM
This controversy over Tesla has gone on for so long, I wish the San Bernadino Police would just throw it in a cabin and set it on fire so it would end.
 
2013-02-15 08:18:45 AM

Trapper439: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Unless you're on a German autobahn, why would you ever need a car that goes over 60 MPH? Last I heard, there are these things called "speed limits" and electric cars like the Tesla can reach them.


Uh, around these parts the speed limit on the Interstate is 70 MPH.
 
2013-02-15 08:18:46 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: That mere 70 miles of buffer made me a little nervous, especially after I missed an exit and added a few miles to the trip. I followed Tesla's recommendations and kept the cruise control pegged to between 60 and 65 much of the way and kept the climate control at 72 degrees. And I minimized stops.

That is a pretty shiatty driving experience for $100k.


So go buy a Viper.

"I don't think something is worth as much as what it's sold for, so no one else should be allowed to buy it and it should stop existing."

Some people have plenty of money and it's worth it to them to make a strong statement about not contributing to pollution and consumption of fossil fuels.
 
2013-02-15 08:19:41 AM

FarkinNortherner: Fine, except that the NYT's journey was taken in exceptionally cold conditions which borks the batteries.


Sure, but it also contains proven lies, which is the real point.
 
2013-02-15 08:19:55 AM

Trapper439: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Unless you're on a German autobahn, why would you ever need a car that goes over 60 MPH? Last I heard, there are these things called "speed limits" and electric cars like the Tesla can reach them.

My commiserations about your tiny penis. Have you considered buying a great big fark-off gun to make yourself feel better?


60 MPH is lower than a huge majority of highway speed limits.  Lots of places have 75 MPH speed limits.

And to everyone complaining about cost, it's just like every new thing.  The price will most likely come down, maybe not for Tesla's specifically, but other electric cars, if the market goes that way.
 
2013-02-15 08:20:28 AM

Hotdog453: mekkab: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Hotdog453: verbaltoxin: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Except it's not a super car. It's a sedan.

Whoopee. A 100k+ sedan that you have to drive at 60MPH.

Super trolls at work, here. TAKE NOTES! This is how it is done!


/Totally gonna get one of these
//debating if I need the supercharging option...

I'm genuinely not trying to troll, but if I was going to spend my entire year's income on a car, I'd rather not have to wait 30 minutes every X miles to recharge. I just can't fathom who, beyond the super rich, this car is for.

I'm sure they're fantastic, awesome, incredible vehicles with amazing torque and awesome handling and all of that jazz, but can you honestly imagine owning one in a day to day life, without having a second car? That just seems like such an awkward proposition.


Do you think a lot of people who spend $100k+ on a car don't have a second and third vehicle?
 
2013-02-15 08:21:03 AM

Tommy Moo: alowishus: How hard would it be to treat electric car batteries like propane tanks?  You stop at the station and and swap your empty one for a full one.  Or am I missing an obvious problem with that?

That could work, but it makes people very uncomfortable. You'd have to come up with a complicated pricing scheme. You'd have to sell the car sans battery. Batteries are not a fungible product. No one wants to walk out of a dealership with a new battery and on their first long trip swap it for one that has been through 800 charge cycles. Some people have proposed a system whereby you purchase the car without the battery at great discount and then pay a service to lease the battery, but this takes the good feeling out of not having to pay for gas.


Are't the batteries huge and weigh several hundred pounds? I suppose an infrastructure could be designed to make them easily changed but there are some real challenges.
 
2013-02-15 08:21:37 AM

Trapper439: Kanemano: Whoopee a $100K +super car that you have to drive at 60 MPH

Unless you're on a German autobahn, why would you ever need a car that goes over 60 MPH? Last I heard, there are these things called "speed limits" and electric cars like the Tesla can reach them.

My commiserations about your tiny penis. Have you considered buying a great big fark-off gun to make yourself feel better?


You drive 60 MPH in the left lane too don't you?
 
2013-02-15 08:21:41 AM

Hotdog453: I'm genuinely not trying to troll, but if I was going to spend my entire year's income on a car, I'd rather not have to wait 30 minutes every X miles to recharge. I just can't fathom who, beyond the super rich, this car is for.

I'm sure they're fantastic, awesome, incredible vehicles with amazing torque and awesome handling and all of that jazz, but can you honestly imagine owning one in a day to day life, without having a second car? That just seems like such an awkward proposition.


Yes.  I imagine the potential of once a year going over 200 miles at a time without at least stopping 30 minutes for lunch would be an INCREDIBLE hassle to rent some other vehicle for.  Much better to have a second vehicle or just give up entirely and buy some other 100k sedan gas hog.  Yes.  That sounds like a sane and logical position to worry about.

/You own a pickup truck because you moved to a new house once 3 years ago, don't you?
 
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