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(Russian Machine Never Breaks)   At least one meteor strike confirmed in Chelyabinsk, Russia. Conflicting reports suggest moderate damage, possible evacuations underway. (w/multiple dash cam video HolyFarkness) (now w/working link)   (russianmachineneverbreaks.com) divider line 769
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2013-02-15 09:36:17 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: SJKebab: 12349876: WorldCitizen: Giltric: Just guessing but it looked like it exploded in or skipped out of the atmosphere.

And the big hole in that building?

The sonic boom caused a weak roof to collapse. My guess.

How do you get a sonic boom to reach ground level if the meteor skips off the atmosphere?

It didn't "skip" off the atmosphere. It was burning up, and therefore slowing down and going through the atmosphere, and friction caused the fireball. "Skipping" is a term used to describe that it was going faster than 17,500mph (escape velocity per 9.81m/s^2), and thus if it never slowed to that speed, it continued on through the atmosphere and on its way out if there was enough mass left.

Interesting stuff...

Compression caused the fireball, not friction. The speed of reentry compresses and shock waves ionize the atmosphere causing the most of the heat and light seen. Friction through the atmosphere add just a little.
 
2013-02-15 09:36:45 AM  
FYI, I think it was traveling at 30,000 mph, not kph.
 
2013-02-15 09:37:17 AM  

Evil Mackerel: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 400x320]

From the only War Of The Worlds movie worth watching.

AGREED.


Seconded.

/Am I the only one who finds Dr. Bilderbeck oddly arousing?
 
2013-02-15 09:39:02 AM  
s11.postimage.org

/Real Reason
 
2013-02-15 09:41:56 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Evil Mackerel: Any more Babylon 5 picture requests in this thread before the cat decides to jump onto my keyboard for a snooze again?How about a nice planet killer

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 717x400]

ok must dash, the cat is jumping into my lap


Thank you sir, most kind.
 
2013-02-15 09:44:28 AM  

Andromeda: p4p3rm4t3: Andromeda: PreMortem: Andromeda: Astronomer checking into this tread- holy fark indeed.  Though this isn't actually that unusual, flashes of this magnitude are recorded by satellites every few years, just that it happened in a populated area.

That said, I'm on overtime now to combat the derp and conspiracy nuts.  If anyone has questions I'm happy to field them.

9:36 GMT: There is a high chance that another meteorite could enter the Earth's atmosphere in the next few hours, Sergey Smirnov from Pulkovo Observatory told Vesti news channel.

Do meteors break up outside our atmosphere, like by the sun? I wouldn't think so.

And if they do, do larger pieces arrive first then the smaller ones, vice-versa, or is there no usual pattern?

Sergey's kinda full of shiat- I mean technically there is a 100% chance of a meteorite entering our atmosphere in the next few hours (as hundreds do), but this size?  Not REALLY likely.

Meteors break up if they break up in our atmosphere.  There may be some lag based on their size but everything from this meteor has certainly already hit/ been seen.

Umm.. I'm not an Astronomer but... how can you say it's a one shot wonder?

Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9
[img805.imageshack.us image 300x91]
"Over the next 6 days, 21 distinct impacts were observed" (July 1994)

That's a giant comet that broke up, of the sizes surveys can see.  This is a rock the size of the few meters.  Odds of another one following it are minimal, it has no gravitational hold.

Cosmic coincidences happen all the time.

(Btw, I just got a shout out on BBC's World Have Your Say discussing this. W00t!)


On the off chance that it is one that broke up and another smaller part was following it....
What time of day did the strike in Russia occur?  Presumably any other debris would hit from the same direction in space (time of day) around the same latitude.
 
2013-02-15 09:49:10 AM  

Confabulat: What's with the dual contrails?


Contrails require a layer of air with enough moisture to be condensed by the shock wave. The dual contrails are probably from the shock wave on each side of the rock separately disturbing the sensitive layer of air.
 
2013-02-15 09:51:19 AM  

impaler: FYI, I think it was traveling at 30,000 mph, not kph.


Yeah, but it was still in a 25,000 mph zone. The insurance rates are gonna get jacket up like you wouldn't believe.
 
2013-02-15 09:51:41 AM  

crumblecat: Hmm...............

Why are we not seeing this on mainstream news yet?


They arent quite up and browsing reddit and fark yet. Give it a few hours.
 
2013-02-15 09:51:50 AM  

WelldeadLink: Confabulat: What's with the dual contrails?

Contrails require a layer of air with enough moisture to be condensed by the shock wave. The dual contrails are probably from the shock wave on each side of the rock separately disturbing the sensitive layer of air.


Are you attempting to claim that the meteor was not carrying and deploying a payload of mind control chemicals?
/Wake up Sheeple!
//Wake up Sheeple!
///Wake up Sheeple!
 
2013-02-15 09:53:04 AM  

SJKebab: J. Frank Parnell: Phil just repeats what NASA says on these things. He probably won't say anything concrete until they do.

This video here shows the incoming meteor in relation to the setting sun.  I saw on his twitter feed that he was looking for videos like this (I'm sure he already has it by now) in order to determine if it is related to DA14.

These sorts of calculations are far beyond my ken.  Anyone else want to have a go?


I can't do the math but looking at my astronomy software it looks like it came from the direction of pisces or cetus or taurus (south south west) and up about 15 degrees from the horizon and traveled towards the Northwest.
This map for DA14  http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/DA14_big-chart.gif shows da14 moving south to north so I doubt they  are from the same source. Just coincidental timing I think.
 
2013-02-15 09:53:36 AM  
Phil Plait just posted this unconfirmed link (translation)
 
2013-02-15 09:54:27 AM  

Dimensio: WelldeadLink: Confabulat: What's with the dual contrails?

Contrails require a layer of air with enough moisture to be condensed by the shock wave. The dual contrails are probably from the shock wave on each side of the rock separately disturbing the sensitive layer of air.

Are you attempting to claim that the meteor was not carrying and deploying a payload of mind control chemicals?
/Wake up Sheeple!
//Wake up Sheeple!
///Wake up Sheeple!


They just want you to believe that meteor chemtrails leave mind control chemicals to hide the truth. This was obviously a FTL jump by a Nazi/Soviet ship in the atmosphere!
 
2013-02-15 09:54:50 AM  

Amos Quito: FOX AND FRIENDS

It's like breakfast conversations at the group home, only they're not wearing pajamas.


Holy fark, that should be your email signature...
 
2013-02-15 09:55:14 AM  

techbuzz: Yet another catastrophic  result of global warming.


You stupid Denialist! Of course it is! When something gets hot it expands. Global Warming is causing the Earth to get bigger, making it a larger target for assteroids and stuff. It's Science, Dude. Science!
 
2013-02-15 09:56:16 AM  
What fox News shows:
growlersoftware.com

What it should look like:
growlersoftware.com
 
2013-02-15 09:58:21 AM  

p4p3rm4t3: SlothB77: Asteroid 2012 DA14 will pass closest to earth at 2:24 p.m. EST/1924 GMT, so plenty of chance for more fireworks to come.


According to Bad Astronomer they are on totally different orbits.

[img593.imageshack.us image 685x921]
Estimated trajectory based on videos and pictures uploaded by witnesses. Could be wrong.  Just guessing.

Bad Astronomy Blog


Given the timing, one can't help but jump to the conclusion that they are related. If they aren't, that's one HELL of a coincidence. But then, well coincidences happen.
 
2013-02-15 09:58:53 AM  

TheGogmagog: On the off chance that it is one that broke up and another smaller part was following it....
What time of day did the strike in Russia occur? Presumably any other debris would hit from the same direction in space (time of day) around the same latitude.


Apparently this happened right around sunrise there (9:15 AM local).  And Chelyabinsk is at about 55° N, so here's what else is at that latitude.
 
2013-02-15 10:01:38 AM  
That was freaky. Bless those Russians and their dashcams. They do provide us with some of the most awesomely over the top videos.
 
2013-02-15 10:01:58 AM  

impaler: What fox News shows:
[growlersoftware.com image 640x480]

What it should look like:
[growlersoftware.com image 850x202]


As Fox News graphs go, however, that display is surprisingly close to accurate. During the November election, the graph would include a speed of light bar shorter than the meteor speed bar, and it would be presented in between guest pundits attempting to blame the strike on President Obama.

/President Obama may be blamed on Fox News at a later time.
 
2013-02-15 10:03:30 AM  

p4p3rm4t3: SlothB77: Asteroid 2012 DA14 will pass closest to earth at 2:24 p.m. EST/1924 GMT, so plenty of chance for more fireworks to come.


According to Bad Astronomer they are on totally different orbits.

[img593.imageshack.us image 685x921]
Estimated trajectory based on videos and pictures uploaded by witnesses. Could be wrong.  Just guessing.

Bad Astronomy Blog


So the Russian meteorite wasn't a fragment of DA14?  I just assumed it was because of the timing.  What are the odds a rare event like that occurred the same exact day this other asteroid passes this close to earth and the two events are unrelated?  Seems unlikely.  I dunno.  When I say rare, i mean the sonic boom and destruction and injuries, not rare as in meteorite striking earth.
 
2013-02-15 10:04:32 AM  

wxboy: TheGogmagog: On the off chance that it is one that broke up and another smaller part was following it....
What time of day did the strike in Russia occur? Presumably any other debris would hit from the same direction in space (time of day) around the same latitude.

Apparently this happened right around sunrise there (9:15 AM local).  And Chelyabinsk is at about 55° N, so here's what else is at that latitude.


Thanks.  I hadn't quite read the rest of the thread where the unlikely-ness of further strikes were mentioned, but good to know.
 
2013-02-15 10:06:02 AM  
FTFH: "At least one meteor strike confirmed in Chelyabinsk, Russia."

Did it come from the Quarantine Zone?
 
2013-02-15 10:06:18 AM  

SlothB77: p4p3rm4t3: SlothB77: Asteroid 2012 DA14 will pass closest to earth at 2:24 p.m. EST/1924 GMT, so plenty of chance for more fireworks to come.


According to Bad Astronomer they are on totally different orbits.

[img593.imageshack.us image 685x921]
Estimated trajectory based on videos and pictures uploaded by witnesses. Could be wrong.  Just guessing.

Bad Astronomy Blog

So the Russian meteorite wasn't a fragment of DA14?  I just assumed it was because of the timing.  What are the odds a rare event like that occurred the same exact day this other asteroid passes this close to earth and the two events are unrelated?  Seems unlikely.  I dunno.  When I say rare, i mean the sonic boom and destruction and injuries, not rare as in meteorite striking earth.


The odds are astronomical
 
2013-02-15 10:08:11 AM  

bhcompy: SlothB77: p4p3rm4t3: SlothB77: Asteroid 2012 DA14 will pass closest to earth at 2:24 p.m. EST/1924 GMT, so plenty of chance for more fireworks to come.


According to Bad Astronomer they are on totally different orbits.

[img593.imageshack.us image 685x921]
Estimated trajectory based on videos and pictures uploaded by witnesses. Could be wrong.  Just guessing.

Bad Astronomy Blog

So the Russian meteorite wasn't a fragment of DA14?  I just assumed it was because of the timing.  What are the odds a rare event like that occurred the same exact day this other asteroid passes this close to earth and the two events are unrelated?  Seems unlikely.  I dunno.  When I say rare, i mean the sonic boom and destruction and injuries, not rare as in meteorite striking earth.

The odds are astronomical


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-02-15 10:09:30 AM  

homelessdude: As always, the crack scientific analysts at Fox & Friends set the record straight.......

"In Armageddon the move, Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck were able to stop it......"
"...NASA does tracks these things and they have the capabilities to stop asteroids before they come close to earth"
"Lasers?"
"Lasers....all sorts of....."

[s20.postimage.org image 600x310]

Link to full video segment


God, I hope SNL decides to spoof this segment.
 
2013-02-15 10:11:07 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 400x320]

From the only War Of The Worlds movie worth watching.

Well that's because it was the only one made, duh.


There have been at least three.
 
2013-02-15 10:14:45 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The All-Powerful Atheismo: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 400x320]

From the only War Of The Worlds movie worth watching.

Well that's because it was the only one made, duh.

There have been at least three.


You probably also believe that more than one Highlander movie was ever produced.
 
2013-02-15 10:18:28 AM  
why do all the good meteors hit russia?
 
2013-02-15 10:19:15 AM  

impaler: What fox News shows:
[growlersoftware.com image 640x480]

What it should look like:
[growlersoftware.com image 850x202]


Fox News using misleading charts? Color me shocked!

cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2013-02-15 10:23:28 AM  

impaler: What fox News shows:
[growlersoftware.com image 640x480]

What it should look like:
[growlersoftware.com image 850x202]


You are of course correct, but the REAL issue here is that the go-to for comparison is an Indy car.
 
2013-02-15 10:25:11 AM  
New tweet from BadAstronomer includes: http://74.mvd.ru/news/item/845855/

Pic below from the link.

74.mvd.ru
 
2013-02-15 10:25:51 AM  

impaler: What fox News shows:
[growlersoftware.com image 640x480]

What it should look like:
[growlersoftware.com image 850x202]


At least they didn't say faster than the speed of light.  They should have used NASCAR as the relation point for their viewers though.
 
2013-02-15 10:26:02 AM  

homelessdude: As always, the crack scientific analysts at Fox & Friends set the record straight.......

"In Armageddon the move, Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck were able to stop it......"
"...NASA does tracks these things and they have the capabilities to stop asteroids before they come close to earth"
"Lasers?"
"Lasers....all sorts of....."

[s20.postimage.org image 600x310]

Link to full video segment


I couldn't get to play.  Is there another source?  I really want to see this.
 
2013-02-15 10:29:31 AM  

Corydon: Thank goodness this didn't happen at the height of the Cold War. We'd almost certainly all be dead.


This.
 
2013-02-15 10:29:38 AM  

fireclown: the REAL issue here is that the go-to for comparison is an Indy car.


Here's what I was going to say in response:

TheGogmagog: They should have used NASCAR as the relation point for their viewers though.

 
2013-02-15 10:32:36 AM  

Corydon: Thank goodness this didn't happen at the height of the Cold War. We'd almost certainly all be dead.


a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
"that would be an action that the soviet union would almost certainly interpret as a pre-emptive first strike!"

/Perfect Tommy with the best expository monologue ever.
 
2013-02-15 10:32:50 AM  

Mikey1969: God, I hope SNL decides to spoof this segment.


The corrections at the end will include something like:

"Meteors are not actually made of meat.

The contrail was not caused by the meteor's exhaust system.

Phasers are something from Star Trek and can't be used to stop meteors.

Liberals and gay people do not cause meteors."
 
2013-02-15 10:34:05 AM  
If another meteorite hits the Pentagon, we'll know this was deliberate.
 
2013-02-15 10:36:49 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Mikey1969: God, I hope SNL decides to spoof this segment.

The corrections at the end will include something like:

"Meteors are not actually made of meat.

The contrail was not caused by the meteor's exhaust system.

Phasers are something from Star Trek and can't be used to stop meteors.

Liberals and gay people do not cause meteors."


One more:

"Asteroids can NOT be removed by using Preparation H"
 
2013-02-15 10:36:55 AM  
I guess it could be seen from my partner's city in Yekaterinburg. He should Skype his family and see if they caught a glimpse (fortunately none of the 950 or so injured seem to be from Yekaterinburg, so at least no freaking out about injured friends/family).
 
2013-02-15 10:40:22 AM  
I told Hurley not to buy that zinc plant.
 
2013-02-15 10:42:19 AM  

SlothB77: Welcome to TF.


Why, nobody's ever done this for me before.

*Sniff*

Thank you. :)
 
2013-02-15 10:50:10 AM  
Atheismo: JRoo: [i21.photobucket.com image 400x320]
From the only War Of The Worlds movie worth watching.
Well that's because it was the only one made, duh.



Actually, when the Tom Cruise movie came out, Sci Fi made their own version, which was hilarious. The protagonist has to go from Hopewell, Va to Washington, DC. Instead of going north on I95 (130 miles or so), he goes to Richmond, then Staunton, then Winchester, then to DC (300 miles). On foot. Living in Fredericksburg all my life, I was amazed that the Blue Ridge Mts/Skyline Drive suddenly resembled the High Sierras.

/Another fine Sci Fi Classic
 
2013-02-15 10:52:52 AM  
 
2013-02-15 10:53:54 AM  

Cream of Meat: Cool stuff like this always seems to happen in Russia.


You have a strange definition of "cool stuff"

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r79/farkknocker/tunguska-photo_zp se 08ad680.jpg
 
2013-02-15 10:54:43 AM  

trappedspirit: Cream of Meat: Cool stuff like this always seems to happen in Russia.

You have a strange definition of "cool stuff"


i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-15 10:54:50 AM  

Andromeda: Astronomer checking into this tread- holy fark indeed.  Though this isn't actually that unusual, flashes of this magnitude are recorded by satellites every few years, just that it happened in a populated area.

That said, I'm on overtime now to combat the derp and conspiracy nuts.  If anyone has questions I'm happy to field them.


This has likely been asked already, but it seems like noone had any warning that this meteorite was coming.  I'm assuming that it was small enough that it wouldn't have triggered any "alarms", per se?  In other words, it wasn't large enough that NASA or other agencies would have raised a flag over it?

Thanks for adding your expertise here - great posts!
 
2013-02-15 10:56:46 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Mikey1969: God, I hope SNL decides to spoof this segment.

The corrections at the end will include something like:

"Meteors are not actually made of meat.

The contrail was not caused by the meteor's exhaust system.

Phasers are something from Star Trek and can't be used to stop meteors.

Liberals and gay people do not cause meteors."


Good Lord, I was holding back my coffee so hard it started to come out my tear ducts.

/No keyboard for you this time.
 
2013-02-15 10:59:13 AM  
I think Putin went out and made a bare-handed catch, didn't he?
 
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