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2013-02-16 09:34:09 AM  
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I'm a usually proud Australian here to say that relations between Aboriginal Australians and the Rest of Us are disgracefully and shamefully poor. The success of Australian multiculturalism is largely evident around the country, a few small pockets of Sydney aside, but Aborigines continue to be appallingly represented in every way - poverty, poor education outcomes, poor health outcomes, incarceration rates, substance abuse and unemployment.

Aborigines were not counted in the national census prior to 1967 and could not vote. In effect, they were not considered human until that time. Our policies were remarkably like those in South Africa (although only affected a minority not a majority) until only a few years before the rest of the world started boycotting South Africa. Aborigines faced overt discrimination until much more recent times (eg in job advertisements). An entire generation of Aboriginal kids were removed from their families and placed in foster care and childrens homes until the 1960's. The flow-on effects of this disastrous policy, particularly on the parenting skills of entire communities, continue to be felt. Only a handful of Aborigines have ever been elected to our Federal Parliament, and interestingly our conservative party has a better record than the Labor Party which has at this time never had an Aboriginal federal representative. Simply establishing land rights (not necessarily ownership, just more a sort of agreement around access rights in many cases) remains difficult for people who were never even given an opportunity to negotiate how they were surrendering the land.

New Zealand's between settler and indigenous communities is not perfect but is decades if not centuries ahead of Australia's deal.

Investing in services to set about remedying these issues is logistically very challenging. Although many Aborigines live in urban centres, they make up the majority in many outback communities despite only about 2% of Australia's population being Aboriginal. They often live in communities of under 500 people. Providing services is a challenge even for politicians who do want to be constructive.
2013-02-15 03:20:58 AM  
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LiberalConservative: From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.

Unfortunately, it's true.

Subby, you're an idiot for using the dumbass tag. The MP's comments are sadly accurate. Even the agencies dealing with these issues agree:

The North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) says the comments by Ms Price reflect a sad state of affairs.
NAAJA principal legal officer Jonathon Hunyor says while the comments are valid, prison is not the solution.
"We think that Bess Price is right when she identifies the problem," he said.
"For some people, the conditions are very bad but the solution isn't sending people to prison

Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating the symptoms.
2013-02-15 10:25:57 AM  
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TopoGigo: Iplaybass: Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating punishing the symptoms.

Nice to see we're exporting Republican values. Any bets on how long it will take some right-wing shill to compare the plight of African-Americans (snicker) in Australia to African-Americans in Detroit?

/Yes, that was on purpose.

I don't know about the Aboriginals, but have they no sovereign nation or any rights like the U.S. natives? I see a correlation in plight here... alcoholism, poverty.  Very sad.
2013-02-15 09:54:41 AM  
1 vote:
Also, just in case anyone missed it, here's a bio of the politician in question.  She's an Aborigine.
2013-02-15 03:53:52 AM  
1 vote:
Am I supposed to believe that sobering up aboriginals is a bad thing?
2013-02-15 03:15:41 AM  
1 vote:
From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.
2013-02-15 03:03:40 AM  
1 vote:

Goddamned stupid Northern Territory hicks....
2013-02-15 02:58:30 AM  
1 vote:
And no mistreat in the abbos, unless no one is looking. Right Bruce?
2013-02-15 02:53:24 AM  
1 vote:
Spirit dying
No use trying
But he finally got out
With a sheet around his neck
2013-02-15 02:45:20 AM  
1 vote:
Well. THAT's going to come back and hit him in the face.
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