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(Abc.net.au)   Politican claims jail is good for Australian Aboriginals because it sobers them up   (abc.net.au) divider line 49
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2013-02-15 12:57:12 AM
Aunt(ie) Rukus
 
2013-02-15 02:42:16 AM
Anybody got an Australian version of the "that's racist" kid?
 
2013-02-15 02:45:20 AM
Well. THAT's going to come back and hit him in the face.
 
2013-02-15 02:47:37 AM
So they tanned his hide when he died, Clyde
 
2013-02-15 02:48:03 AM
A "politican," ay?
 
2013-02-15 02:49:41 AM
Jail is good for Aboriginals because it Fosters good relations...

Got nuthen.
 
2013-02-15 02:53:24 AM
Spirit dying
No use trying
But he finally got out
With a sheet around his neck
 
2013-02-15 02:54:54 AM
"We think that Bess Price is right when she identifies the problem,"

Yep, so everyone is in agreement.

All she said is that prison has some benefits.  Which is apparently true, according to everyone in the article.
 
2013-02-15 02:56:39 AM
Aw itd be un-australian not ta fukin agree with that m8
 
2013-02-15 02:57:35 AM
...I should really RTFA before posting jokes. Dangit.
 
2013-02-15 02:58:30 AM
And no mistreat in the abbos, unless no one is looking. Right Bruce?
 
2013-02-15 03:00:33 AM

Madman drummers bummers: ...I should really RTFA before posting jokes. Dangit.


No, I'm pretty sure you nailed it.
 
2013-02-15 03:02:30 AM
And they would have succeeded, if not for those meddlesome booking photos!
 
2013-02-15 03:03:21 AM

zenferret: Madman drummers bummers: ...I should really RTFA before posting jokes. Dangit.

No, I'm pretty sure you nailed it.


No way. Wouldn't happen. There's not enough booze in the world.
 
2013-02-15 03:03:40 AM
*facepalm*

Goddamned stupid Northern Territory hicks....
 
2013-02-15 03:04:46 AM
*Click link* EEEEESH
 
2013-02-15 03:08:06 AM
When did the Duke of Edinburgh become an Australian MP?
 
2013-02-15 03:12:53 AM
Well, it sorta worked for some old friends of mine. Some of them actually got sober.

Except for the one that died.

// Never try to 'chug' a fifth of cheap whiskey
 
2013-02-15 03:12:59 AM
assets.diylol.com
 
2013-02-15 03:14:29 AM

CujoQuarrel: Well, it sorta worked for some old friends of mine. Some of them actually got sober.

Except for the one that died.

// Never try to 'chug' a fifth of cheap whiskey


HEY, FARK YOU! DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!

/ I know what my goal is for this weekend!
 
2013-02-15 03:14:42 AM
twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-02-15 03:15:41 AM
From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.
 
2013-02-15 03:20:58 AM

LiberalConservative: From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.


Unfortunately, it's true.

Subby, you're an idiot for using the dumbass tag. The MP's comments are sadly accurate. Even the agencies dealing with these issues agree:

The North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) says the comments by Ms Price reflect a sad state of affairs.
NAAJA principal legal officer Jonathon Hunyor says while the comments are valid, prison is not the solution.
"We think that Bess Price is right when she identifies the problem," he said.
"For some people, the conditions are very bad but the solution isn't sending people to prison
.

Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating the symptoms.
 
2013-02-15 03:30:58 AM

GranoblasticMan: CujoQuarrel: Well, it sorta worked for some old friends of mine. Some of them actually got sober.

Except for the one that died.

// Never try to 'chug' a fifth of cheap whiskey

HEY, FARK YOU! DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!

/ I know what my goal is for this weekend!


Way to go man!!

Can I have your stuff afterwards?
 
2013-02-15 03:35:22 AM

CujoQuarrel: GranoblasticMan: CujoQuarrel: Well, it sorta worked for some old friends of mine. Some of them actually got sober.

Except for the one that died.

// Never try to 'chug' a fifth of cheap whiskey

HEY, FARK YOU! DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!

/ I know what my goal is for this weekend!

Way to go man!!

Can I have your stuff afterwards?


*looks at assets, looks at student loans*

Uh, sure! *snicker*
 
2013-02-15 03:53:52 AM
Am I supposed to believe that sobering up aboriginals is a bad thing?
 
2013-02-15 04:47:03 AM
 
2013-02-15 05:25:37 AM
biz93.inmotionhosting.com

Politican
 
2013-02-15 05:44:37 AM

Iplaybass: Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating punishing the symptoms.


Nice to see we're exporting Republican values. Any bets on how long it will take some right-wing shill to compare the plight of African-Americans (snicker) in Australia to African-Americans in Detroit?

/Yes, that was on purpose.
 
2013-02-15 05:47:43 AM

Greymalkin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2LHE3oeks

(NSFW language)


TopoGigo: Any bets on how long it will take some right-wing shill to compare the plight of African-Americans (snicker) in Australia to African-Americans in Detroit?


Oh, hell. I need to calibrate my Joke-O-Meter before I can decide if I was too late.
 
2013-02-15 06:19:07 AM
You know who else was from Australia and spent time in jail?
 
2013-02-15 06:32:28 AM

kendelrio: You know who else was from Australia and spent time in jail?


Chopper Read ?
 
2013-02-15 07:12:02 AM
antonystarr.net

Is not amused
 
2013-02-15 09:06:05 AM
I say, lets ignore the fact that no one has RTFA and concentrate on what is important.
The politician in question's daughter
fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net
fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-02-15 09:19:38 AM
RTFA

Too right Sheila!
 
2013-02-15 09:30:26 AM
They are in there with their family members.

I think that's actually worse.  Jail's not supposed to be rehab, but it's definitely not supposed to be a family getaway.
 
2013-02-15 09:51:51 AM

Iplaybass: LiberalConservative: From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.

Unfortunately, it's true.

Subby, you're an idiot for using the dumbass tag. The MP's comments are sadly accurate. Even the agencies dealing with these issues agree:

The North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) says the comments by Ms Price reflect a sad state of affairs.
NAAJA principal legal officer Jonathon Hunyor says while the comments are valid, prison is not the solution.
"We think that Bess Price is right when she identifies the problem," he said.
"For some people, the conditions are very bad but the solution isn't sending people to prison.

Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating the symptoms.


Right, that brilliant thought has never occurred to anyone.  It's never been tried.  Please proceed directly to Stockholm and collect your Nobel.
 
2013-02-15 09:54:41 AM
Also, just in case anyone missed it, here's a bio of the politician in question.  She's an Aborigine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bess_Price
 
2013-02-15 10:25:57 AM

TopoGigo: Iplaybass: Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating punishing the symptoms.

Nice to see we're exporting Republican values. Any bets on how long it will take some right-wing shill to compare the plight of African-Americans (snicker) in Australia to African-Americans in Detroit?

/Yes, that was on purpose.


I don't know about the Aboriginals, but have they no sovereign nation or any rights like the U.S. natives? I see a correlation in plight here... alcoholism, poverty.  Very sad.
 
2013-02-15 02:32:27 PM
Where is Australian Minister of Environment Protection, Heritage and the Arts, Peter Garrett, (originally the singer for Midnight Oil) when you need him?
 
2013-02-15 03:01:05 PM

gblive: Where is Australian Minister of Environment Protection, Heritage and the Arts, Peter Garrett, (originally the singer for Midnight Oil) when you need him?


Asleep?
 
2013-02-15 03:47:18 PM

Iplaybass: LiberalConservative: From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.

Unfortunately, it's true.

Subby, you're an idiot for using the dumbass tag. The MP's comments are sadly accurate. Even the agencies dealing with these issues agree:

The North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) says the comments by Ms Price reflect a sad state of affairs.
NAAJA principal legal officer Jonathon Hunyor says while the comments are valid, prison is not the solution.
"We think that Bess Price is right when she identifies the problem," he said.
"For some people, the conditions are very bad but the solution isn't sending people to prison.

Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating the symptoms.


Because no one's ever tried education and job training, amirite? It's just Go To Jail.
 
2013-02-15 04:36:52 PM

Khazar-Khum: Iplaybass: LiberalConservative: From observing Aboriginal people and their communities during many trips to small towns in the north of Australia, prison probably is much better. Is sad.

Unfortunately, it's true.

Subby, you're an idiot for using the dumbass tag. The MP's comments are sadly accurate. Even the agencies dealing with these issues agree:

The North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (NAAJA) says the comments by Ms Price reflect a sad state of affairs.
NAAJA principal legal officer Jonathon Hunyor says while the comments are valid, prison is not the solution.
"We think that Bess Price is right when she identifies the problem," he said.
"For some people, the conditions are very bad but the solution isn't sending people to prison.

Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating the symptoms.

Because no one's ever tried education and job training, amirite? It's just Go To Jail.


If you understood the problems that are endemic in these communities, you'd realise that they are a lot more complex than can be treated by saying "get a job".

TopoGigo: Iplaybass: Too bad the money can't be spent on fixing the problems, rather than treating punishing the symptoms.

Nice to see we're exporting Republican values. Any bets on how long it will take some right-wing shill to compare the plight of African-Americans (snicker) in Australia to African-Americans in Detroit?

/Yes, that was on purpose.


Don't flatter yourself. The problems here have SFA to do with you, your messed up country, or your farked up political ideologies. It's ok, though - wouldn't expect a yank to understand the complexities of anything outside of the US.
 
2013-02-15 04:37:55 PM

owlie: gblive: Where is Australian Minister of Environment Protection, Heritage and the Arts, Peter Garrett, (originally the singer for Midnight Oil) when you need him?

Asleep?


No, he can't sleep when the beds are burnin'
 
2013-02-15 05:32:57 PM

Iplaybass: Don't flatter yourself. The problems here have SFA to do with you, your messed up country, or your farked up political ideologies. It's ok, though - wouldn't expect a yank to understand the complexities of anything outside of the US.


Really? A poor, marginalized community, plagued by the legacy of past racism, and not totally free of it today, faces crushing poverty and substance abuse problems? And politicians' solution is not to try to build them a community and integrate them into the national economy, but to throw them in jail to punish them for their addictions and protect them from their own "stupidity and laziness"? Yeah, you're right. That sounds nothing like America. It sounds nothing like the plight of American Indians on the rez, poor black Americans in inner cities, or poor hillbillies in Appalachia. I'll just STFU and go back to eating Big Macs in the pews of my megachurch.
 
2013-02-15 05:33:48 PM

silvervial: owlie: gblive: Where is Australian Minister of Environment Protection, Heritage and the Arts, Peter Garrett, (originally the singer for Midnight Oil) when you need him?

Asleep?

No, he can't sleep when the beds are burnin'


Dude, he asked how we can sleep while our beds are burnin' like 20 years ago. One would assume he's learned how by now.
 
2013-02-15 10:14:24 PM

TopoGigo: Iplaybass: Don't flatter yourself. The problems here have SFA to do with you, your messed up country, or your farked up political ideologies. It's ok, though - wouldn't expect a yank to understand the complexities of anything outside of the US.

Really? A poor, marginalized community, plagued by the legacy of past racism, and not totally free of it today, faces crushing poverty and substance abuse problems? And politicians' solution is not to try to build them a community and integrate them into the national economy, but to throw them in jail to punish them for their addictions and protect them from their own "stupidity and laziness"? Yeah, you're right. That sounds nothing like America. It sounds nothing like the plight of American Indians on the rez, poor black Americans in inner cities, or poor hillbillies in Appalachia. I'll just STFU and go back to eating Big Macs in the pews of my megachurch.


Yes, really. It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with the US. I know it's hard for you to understand how things can happen independently of your country, but it's true.
 
2013-02-15 10:32:38 PM

Iplaybass: Yes, really. It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with the US. I know it's hard for you to understand how things can happen independently of your country, but it's true.


It's just that the situation has arisen in different countries due to similar circumstances.  Canada's First Peoples and the Aborigines face many of the same problems, up to an including residential schools, and in this case you can draw a link between the two countries due to shared British colonial policies.

/Canadian with an Australian father
 
2013-02-16 09:34:09 AM
I'm a usually proud Australian here to say that relations between Aboriginal Australians and the Rest of Us are disgracefully and shamefully poor. The success of Australian multiculturalism is largely evident around the country, a few small pockets of Sydney aside, but Aborigines continue to be appallingly represented in every way - poverty, poor education outcomes, poor health outcomes, incarceration rates, substance abuse and unemployment.

Aborigines were not counted in the national census prior to 1967 and could not vote. In effect, they were not considered human until that time. Our policies were remarkably like those in South Africa (although only affected a minority not a majority) until only a few years before the rest of the world started boycotting South Africa. Aborigines faced overt discrimination until much more recent times (eg in job advertisements). An entire generation of Aboriginal kids were removed from their families and placed in foster care and childrens homes until the 1960's. The flow-on effects of this disastrous policy, particularly on the parenting skills of entire communities, continue to be felt. Only a handful of Aborigines have ever been elected to our Federal Parliament, and interestingly our conservative party has a better record than the Labor Party which has at this time never had an Aboriginal federal representative. Simply establishing land rights (not necessarily ownership, just more a sort of agreement around access rights in many cases) remains difficult for people who were never even given an opportunity to negotiate how they were surrendering the land.

New Zealand's between settler and indigenous communities is not perfect but is decades if not centuries ahead of Australia's deal.

Investing in services to set about remedying these issues is logistically very challenging. Although many Aborigines live in urban centres, they make up the majority in many outback communities despite only about 2% of Australia's population being Aboriginal. They often live in communities of under 500 people. Providing services is a challenge even for politicians who do want to be constructive.
 
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