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(NBC News)   Having a drink every night that was once thought good for you, but later found bad for you, then good again has once again been found to be bad for you   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 48
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2013-02-15 12:21:29 AM  
I'm still okay with 12, right?
 
2013-02-15 12:30:17 AM  
I'll drink to that?
 
2013-02-15 12:47:40 AM  
Well, life is a journey, it's not about the destination.  To Farkers, that journey is like a pub crawl.
 
2013-02-15 01:27:15 AM  
If I had all the money I'd spent on drink... *pause* ...I'd spend it on drink.
 
2013-02-15 01:55:54 AM  
 
2013-02-15 03:54:21 AM  
Based on how I feel right now, the 6 pack and Chinese food i had this evening weren't very good for me.
 
2013-02-15 04:28:11 AM  
FTFA: Breast cancer accounted for most alcohol-related cancer deaths in women
... Despite the numbers, the link between alcohol and cancer death is not well-known or appreciated, the researchers say.


Sounds like another reporter skimmed through an abstract, saw cancer and something people ingest and sprinted to the office.
 
2013-02-15 05:26:10 AM  
ww1.prweb.com
 
2013-02-15 05:31:10 AM  
 
2013-02-15 05:33:10 AM  
I used to be a journalist, but then I took a spirit to the orifice.
 
2013-02-15 05:33:57 AM  
Great. Another dispatch from the I-Don't-Know-So-I-Will-Claim-This-Thing-This-Week Department.

Next Week's Spotlight will be from the Forget-What-I-Said-Last-Week-As-This-Is-Better-For-Funding-This-Week Department.
 
2013-02-15 05:35:20 AM  
So what's the current status on eggs?
 
2013-02-15 05:35:53 AM  
So apparently every other drink IS good for you, so skip a night!


/duh
 
2013-02-15 05:39:35 AM  
Death will take us all someday, and most of us don't know how or why. For me, I'm just bringing more certainty to the process.
 
2013-02-15 05:43:25 AM  
Ethanol is poisonous, anyone who believes otherwise is either ignorant, stupid, or fooling themselves.
 
2013-02-15 05:45:29 AM  
Science!
 
2013-02-15 05:46:04 AM  

TheJoe03: So what's the current status on eggs?


That debate got so scrambled it was over easy.
 
2013-02-15 05:48:54 AM  
I think these articles are heavily biased by whether they wrote it the night of, or the morning of the submission deadline.
 
2013-02-15 05:51:36 AM  
"a drink"

Well, I guess I'm safe then.

/only drinks in multiples of 6
 
2013-02-15 05:53:09 AM  
I don't drink on Mondays so I should be right. A litre of rum counts as 'a drink'?

/can't be farked reading the stupid article
 
2013-02-15 05:55:29 AM  
Nonsense. This is all just a ruse.

They just don't want all of us plebs sucking up their precious life extending elixir.

Quick, to the liquor store! Then to the beer store! Then back to the liquor store with whatever money we have left!
 
2013-02-15 05:59:35 AM  
"When I talk about heart-healthy diets, my first words are not, 'Have a glass of wine,'" said Dr. Suzanne Steinbaum, director of the women and heart disease program at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York. She says she has been known to recommend having a glass of wine with dinner, but "we can certainly get the health benefits from other places and other foods."

Sounds like a green light to me.
 
2013-02-15 06:01:40 AM  
Science 101: It isn't real until it's been independently reproduced. That's practically the definition of science. Nobody except other researchers should be hearing about this crap until it's been confirmed, but controversial-sounding research generates page-hits, and many journalists are just whores.

/Remember how cold fusion didn't change our world? Yeah, just like that.
 
2013-02-15 06:07:22 AM  
anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

/ fark moderation
 
2013-02-15 06:11:30 AM  

KrispyKritter: anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

/ fark moderation


Moderation in all things... including moderation.
 
2013-02-15 06:15:08 AM  

quatchi: KrispyKritter: anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

/ fark moderation

Moderation in all things... including moderation.


Twain?
 
2013-02-15 06:28:21 AM  
Mouth an throat cancer for men. I wonder if they check hard liquor vs soft. Also, ethanol helps carry tobacco specific nitrosamines across epithelial cells, so I wonder if they corrected for smokers who drink while smoking. Something seems off....
 
2013-02-15 06:38:02 AM  

robohobo: Twain?


Yup, Shania is *quite* the party girl.

*blink*

Naw, that's one of Wilde's.

Twain said... 'Too much of anything is bad, but too much whiskey is just enough.''

And I aint arguing.
 
2013-02-15 06:42:03 AM  
They simply dont know.  I had a cardiologist at the gym admit to us in a presentation that they dont *KNOW* that cholesterol is actually bad for you.   They look at studies and come up with the best guess based on the mountain of (often conflicting) data.

They simply never know.  Its why eggs are good then bad then good then bad then good then...
 
2013-02-15 06:48:06 AM  

amquelbettamin: Mouth an throat cancer for men. I wonder if they check hard liquor vs soft. Also, ethanol helps carry tobacco specific nitrosamines across epithelial cells, so I wonder if they corrected for smokers who drink while smoking. Something seems off....


Mmmmm...I think it's Twain's. Wilde's was "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess."

/although i've been fighting booze for years now, and I'm very likely wrong...
 
2013-02-15 07:17:50 AM  
With apologies to our patron saint of brewers: God grant me sobriety ... but not right now.
 
2013-02-15 07:27:44 AM  

Beowoolfie: Science 101: It isn't real until it's been independently reproduced. That's practically the definition of science. Nobody except other researchers should be hearing about this crap until it's been confirmed, but controversial-sounding research generates page-hits, and many journalists are just whores.

/Remember how cold fusion didn't change our world? Yeah, just like that.


Cold fusion changed my world, so speak for yourself.
 
2013-02-15 08:26:07 AM  
If I stop drinking am I still going to die?
 
2013-02-15 08:29:12 AM  
"I don't think it can be pooh-poohed," he said.

Is this fruit hanging too low for everyone?
 
2013-02-15 08:35:50 AM  
No fun will be had by anyone!

/Ya...I have some doubts about this news story.
 
2013-02-15 08:52:02 AM  
Herp-derp health behaviors derp.
 
2013-02-15 09:30:16 AM  
Good think i drink every morning then.

/sips irish coffee
 
2013-02-15 09:36:23 AM  
"For non-drinkers, it's another reason to feel happy they don't drink,"

Well, at least they've got that going for them.
 
2013-02-15 09:47:31 AM  
It's true, only one drink a night is bad for you. Of course, there's some debate over whether one drink is beer number 20 or 30. Much research remains to be done.
 
2013-02-15 11:09:06 AM  
They do the same tango with salt.

Fark them; do what you want.
 
2013-02-15 11:11:48 AM  
Sponsored by:

www-tc.pbs.org
 
2013-02-15 11:32:07 AM  
I'll stick with the devil weed.  Its ability to make the negro jazz musicians rape all the white women has never been questioned by silly scientific studies.
 
2013-02-15 01:07:52 PM  
So, does this mean we'll start seeing less beer commercials? Will booze ads vanish from professional sports? Will a warning be required with every bottle and case of booze? Will people on the street insult you if you smell of beer -- like they do tobacco users?

So, are there dangers of second hand booze fumes? When will they quadruple the OTC cost of a 40? Are the lawyers assembling their forces to start suing the booze industry?

So, booze doesn't make you popular, pretty, handsome, sexy or fun after all? Isn't that false advertising? How long before hotels, motels and homes are advertised as 'non-drinking'?

Will the Samuel Adams beer commercials, where the guys wax nearly poetic over their brewing and get all misty eyed over the right hoppes to select, be ended?

Actually, booze is about as deadly in the long run as tobacco, especially in the secondary effects incidents. Drunk driver plowing into a car and sending that car into someone else's living room, injuring folks watching TV.

Booze is technically an organic poison which can be beneficial or harmful depending on the dosage. One of it's main uses was to preserve organic specimens. (They used to ship bodies back from the civil war packed in barrels of alcohol since it could take days or weeks to get them home. Some enterprising fellows, shocked at having to pour all of that used alcohol out after the body was removed, actually sold it to consumers and bars for drinking.)

Personally, I don't figure a drink or two a day can hurt you. Especially beer.

Take away the tobacco and the booze and everything else will still cause cancer. In most major cities, just stepping outside exposes you to far more toxins in the air than a cigarette does.
 
2013-02-15 04:32:54 PM  
If I knew without a doubt that suffering a all-vegetarian, alcohol-abstaining lifestyle would allow me to live to 110, vs. my current omnivorous & moderate drinking one ( which may put me in my grave at 75), I still wouldn't change a thing...
 
2013-02-15 06:57:29 PM  

Rik01: Personally, I don't figure a drink or two a day can hurt you. Especially beer.


I dunno, what are you basing that on?  What constitutes harm?  What is acceptable or negligible risk?  Why "especially beer"?  Personally I'd wager that wine is better for you, owing to higher phenol levels and fewer carbohydrates.

The thing is, nearly everything hurts you in some way, even if it helps or is benign in other ways.  But the point of this sort of research isn't to say definitively that 'X is "bad" ' or not, it's just to give an idea of how risky something is.  They will never be able to say that drinking X amount WILL cause cancer / heart disease / whatever.  In most cases they won't even be able to tell people who DO get cancer that it was necessarily from drinking.  They can just tell you that people who drink X amount have, on average, Y% higher chance of getting cancer.  If you continue to drink like a fish and never have health problems related to it then it doesn't mean that they were wrong, or that drinking didn't have the potential to be harmful, it just means that you took your risks and ended up on one side of the statistics.


Rik01: In most major cities, just stepping outside exposes you to far more toxins in the air than a cigarette does.


[Citation Needed]

/Actually no it isn't, that's just pure bullsh*t.  That's maybe true in China.
 
2013-02-15 07:56:02 PM  
In that case I'll take 3.  I meant had.
 
2013-02-16 03:42:47 AM  
 I don't always drink too much, but when I do I get an El-Nino in my pants.
 
2013-02-16 03:53:58 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: If I knew without a doubt that suffering a all-vegetarian, alcohol-abstaining lifestyle would allow me to live to 110, vs. my current omnivorous & moderate drinking one ( which may put me in my grave at 75), I still wouldn't change a thing...


Time for another Twain quote...

SLC: There are people who strictly deprive themselves of each and ever eatable, drinkable and smokable which has in any way acquired a shady reputation. They pay this price for health. And health is all they get for it. How strange it is. It is like paying out your whole fortune for a cow that has gone dry.
 
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