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(NBC News)   In a shocking turn of events, the commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command says the former SEAL's claims in Esquire are full of crap   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 98
    More: Obvious, Naval Special Warfare Development Group, Esquires, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, commanders  
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2013-02-14 09:45:02 PM
Sounds like "The Shooter" could our next Chris Dorner.
 
2013-02-15 12:23:29 AM
Who would have thought that the guy who specifically remembers, "These biatches is gettin' truculent" might have been making stuff up?
 
2013-02-15 12:29:38 AM
By retiring four years before his 20th year of service, the SEAL also immediately lost all health benefits. He told Bronstein that even if he stayed long enough, his pension would amount to $2,100 a month, the same a member of the Navy choir receives.

Which he knew before he made the final decision to quit so he should quit his biatching.

I still don't get why the guy is seeking sympathy for a decision he made.

"I was usually the guy to joke around when we were planning these things, but I was like, 'Hey guys, we have to take this serious,'' he said in the story. "There's a 90 percent chance this is a one-way mission. We're gonna die, so let's do this right.''

He's like Debbie Downer with a gun.

Must be fun at parties.
 
2013-02-15 01:10:23 AM
Sounds more like a case of the writer embellishing than anything.
 
2013-02-15 01:57:47 AM
By retiring four years before his 20th year of service, the SEAL also immediately lost all health benefits.

bullshiat.

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp
 
2013-02-15 04:38:58 AM

log_jammin: bullshiat.
http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp


When are journalists going to turn to the internet for fact checking?  Does it ever take more than an hour for someone to shout bullshiat when needed?
 
2013-02-15 05:17:46 AM

staplermofo: When are journalists going to turn to the internet for fact checking?


why fact check when "American hero denied healthcare!" makes for a much better story.
 
2013-02-15 05:25:45 AM

log_jammin: why fact check when "American hero denied healthcare!" makes for a much better story.


I know.  I'm just bitter that none of the times I've called a paper during an emotional breakdown and told incredible, not credible stories to them they never made print.  Well, at least not my side.  Their side only made it to a police report and restraining order.  Bastards and their connections.
 
2013-02-15 05:28:54 AM

staplermofo: I know. I'm just bitter that none of the times I've called a paper during an emotional breakdown and told incredible, not credible stories to them they never made print. Well, at least not my side. Their side only made it to a police report and restraining order. Bastards and their connections.


The voices will help you one day.
 
2013-02-15 05:46:27 AM

log_jammin: The voices will help you one day.


Funny story:  I spent a few years seeing a therapist and psychiatrist.  Same goal: don't hear voices from people you can't see or touch, keep a job.  Little later, lost my insurance, drop the psychiatrist, drop the drugs.  Little later, now I can see the guys if I stay up a few days.  Therapist says this is bad, changes goals, quit job, go in-patient, stop hearing and seeing some people.  And I'm the one I shouldn't trust!?  What do these people learn in grad school?
 
2013-02-15 06:29:29 AM
My voices told me that your voices are full of crap.
 
2013-02-15 06:32:07 AM
With very little known about either side of the story (all that national security concern is swell, of course), I'm going to go with:

I don't know enough to cast my vote either way and I don't care enough to waste effort trying to find out more or pull stuff out of my hinder so I can argue with other farkers about it pointlessly.

I'm no fun, I know.
 
2013-02-15 06:42:49 AM
yeah, and his Tesla car's battery ran out of juice on a cold morning..
 
2013-02-15 06:57:24 AM
I don't care.  "biatches be gettin' truculent" is now my new catch-phrase.
 
2013-02-15 06:58:45 AM
NAVSPECWARCOM had better get their shiat under control.

One of the things everyone feared about the SEALs is that they were like shadows.
 
2013-02-15 06:59:31 AM
Memo to Leon Panetta:  Don't ever call a US soldier a "kid".  You farking idiot.
 
2013-02-15 07:01:11 AM

staplermofo: log_jammin: bullshiat.
http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp

When are journalists going to turn to the internet for fact checking?  Does it ever take more than an hour for someone to shout bullshiat when needed?


And it's not just any reporter. This piece is by Phil Bronstein, former Executive Editor of the SF Examiner, then the SF Chronicle, one-time finalist for the Pulitzer, and currently chairman of the board for the Center for Investigative Reporting - an organization he's just made look ridiculous because he opted for a shocking narrative over fact-checking.

But I can't really say this comes as a surprise, as the guy's ego-to-integrity ratio is about 600:1. I'm not saying he has no integrity. I'm just saying his ego is that large (possibly due in some small part to being Sharon Stone's bone pony when she was in her prime, although there's a chicken-egg argument to me made there).

/former SF Bay Area journalist
 
2013-02-15 07:04:48 AM
He voluntarily mustered out 4 years short of retirement. I can understand not wanting to be a seal any more.... But I bet the navy would find something for you to do for 4 years.
 
2013-02-15 07:05:46 AM
The three words that scare me from this situtuation: SEAL goes rouge (or, if you prefer, Mentally Unstable SEAL).  Just give the man his money and be done with it
 
2013-02-15 07:07:29 AM

Ebbelwoi: Memo to Leon Panetta:  Don't ever call a US soldier a "kid".  You farking idiot.


Especially one with 16 years of service.  That makes him, at a minimum, around 34 years old.
 
2013-02-15 07:07:55 AM
Everyone in the service knows if you get out early you lose your benefits.
 
2013-02-15 07:08:37 AM

cleveralthere: The three words that scare me from this situtuation: SEAL goes rouge


They allow that now in the military, didn't you hear?

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-15 07:14:03 AM

dittybopper: Ebbelwoi: Memo to Leon Panetta:  Don't ever call a US soldier a "kid".  You farking idiot.

Especially one with 16 years of service.  That makes him, at a minimum, around 34 years old.


Or we could read the article and realize the press secretary was referring to a different soldier.  That doesn't invalidate Ebbelwoi's point, but it does make your followup seem rather...stupid.
 
2013-02-15 07:15:09 AM
Damn, that commander is getting truculent
 
2013-02-15 07:17:39 AM
The Shooter appears to have some emotional problems.
Hope he can get some help for that, but I won't hold my breath.
 
2013-02-15 07:18:59 AM
Generation E(ntitlement).
 
2013-02-15 07:33:23 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: dittybopper: Ebbelwoi: Memo to Leon Panetta:  Don't ever call a US soldier a "kid".  You farking idiot.

Especially one with 16 years of service.  That makes him, at a minimum, around 34 years old.

Or we could read the article and realize the press secretary was referring to a different soldier.  That doesn't invalidate Ebbelwoi's point, but it does make your followup seem rather...stupid.


Farkers be gettin' truculent.
 
2013-02-15 07:33:32 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Everyone in the service knows if you get out early you lose your benefits.


Well, if you read the Esquire article, he'd applied for disability based on the large number of service-related injuries he'd taken, including some spinal damage from some parachute jumps gone awry.  However, thanks to Iraq and Afghanistan, the backlog for processing disability claims is long.  I've seen my fellow soldiers wind their way through that system, it can take years, if he'd started it when he wanted out. . .he'd be getting his disability payments not long before he got his pension.

I read the interview, it sure made it sound like yeah, he knew he was getting out. . .but his complaints were more that the Navy hadn't offered him anything to protect him or his family from retribution if his identity gets out to the jihadis.  He was also very upset that there is no job market for veterans now, no matter how good of a veteran you are.  They'll say "thank you for your service". . .but never back those words up with deeds.

He got a half-hearted offer to set him up driving a beer truck in Milwaukee in a sort of witness-protection deal, once, right after the shooting.

The interview makes it sound like a combination of service-related injuries, job burnout, and the extreme strain that constant deployments put on his family life made him want out.  He did more fighting in 16 years than most servicemembers would do in 160.  The 20 year rule works great for a peacetime military, for combat veterans with multiple deployments it's a little different for them.  20 years at a desk job in the Chair Force and never seeing combat or deployment gets you a pension. . .16 years of being a Navy SEAL and you get squat.  Just ain't right.

Reading that article makes me think of a real-life version of John Rambo. . .decorated war-hero special forces vet who loves his country, even as he sees it crapping on him, and just wants to live his life in peace but is feeling increasingly put upon and tormented by The System.

Then again, that was probably the spin that Esquire wanted from the article.
 
2013-02-15 07:34:43 AM

Obama's Left Nut: He voluntarily mustered out 4 years short of retirement. I can understand not wanting to be a seal any more.... But I bet the navy would find something for you to do for 4 years.


this.

a friend of mine's brother was in ... crap what do they call Panzerlehr in the the US army... he was a tanker training unit that trained other tanker units to not get killed.

he got burned out of "sleeping in mudpuddles" and driving around CA deserts in an abrams and .... spent the last few years of his life cleaning teeth as a dental tech. retired at 38.
 
2013-02-15 07:37:14 AM

Silverstaff: Then again, that was probably the spin that Esquire wanted from the article.


Yea that. Are guys getting burned the f*ck out from constant deployments? F*ck yes they are, but come on you know what you're getting in to. We all know combat jobs don't related well to civilian jobs. He could have gotten into any SWAT team in the country though
 
2013-02-15 07:40:01 AM

Silverstaff: The 20 year rule works great for a peacetime military, for combat veterans with multiple deployments it's a little different for them. 20 years at a desk job in the Chair Force and never seeing combat or deployment gets you a pension. . .16 years of being a Navy SEAL and you get squat. Just ain't right.


he doesn't have to be a seal to stay in. there's plenty of chair jobs in the navy too.
 
2013-02-15 07:42:18 AM
holy shiatballs, nobody tell this guy about YouTube or NutnFancy might have a run for his money...
 
2013-02-15 07:43:07 AM
My dad was in the military, when we talked about this guy he said maybe the guy shouldn't have made a career out of something he wasn't cut out for.
 
2013-02-15 07:43:38 AM

willfullyobscure: NutnFancy


axes suck. you got to spray them with wd-40!
 
2013-02-15 07:53:02 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Silverstaff: Then again, that was probably the spin that Esquire wanted from the article.

Yea that. Are guys getting burned the f*ck out from constant deployments? F*ck yes they are, but come on you know what you're getting in to. We all know combat jobs don't related well to civilian jobs. He could have gotten into any SWAT team in the country though


Well, he says he never wants to pick up a gun again.  I believe he said he could get a job with any mercenary company (sorry "Private Military Contractor") in a heartbeat. . .but he got out of the combat thing (presumably including SWAT) for a reason.

He could doubtless make big money doing public speaking, being a talking head on the TV news, making a book deal, ect.

. . .but he's afraid that if he reveals his name that he's got a price on his head, and it puts his family at risk.

He seems to want either a plain ordinary office job, or some kind of consultant job. . .but one he can get just off of being a SEAL and not the fame of having been a part of Operation Neptune Spear, much less being the triggerman.
 
2013-02-15 07:54:30 AM

100 Watt Walrus: This piece is by Phil Bronstein, former Executive Editor of the SF Examiner, then the SF Chronicle, one-time finalist for the Pulitzer, and currently chairman of the board for the Center for Investigative Reporting -


In other words, a King Douchbag Attention Whore looking to goose his street cred a little bit.
 
2013-02-15 07:54:35 AM

log_jammin: Silverstaff: The 20 year rule works great for a peacetime military, for combat veterans with multiple deployments it's a little different for them. 20 years at a desk job in the Chair Force and never seeing combat or deployment gets you a pension. . .16 years of being a Navy SEAL and you get squat. Just ain't right.

he doesn't have to be a seal to stay in. there's plenty of chair jobs in the navy too.


This.

Plenty of SEALs and others with tough military jobs have no problem putting in their twenty years. He knew all along what the requirements are....they haven't changed in decades.

What's with the newest generation of operators anyway? So much for a silent career as a silent professional...we got the top sniper writing books and now the guy claiming to be the shooter biatching about retirement benefits? Lord.....
 
2013-02-15 07:57:36 AM

Bippal: My dad was in the military, when we talked about this guy he said maybe the guy shouldn't have made a career out of something he wasn't cut out for.


20/20 wisdom is 20/20.
But lots of people do exactly that.
 
2013-02-15 08:00:07 AM

Silverstaff: He seems to want either a plain ordinary office job, or some kind of consultant job. . .but one he can get just off of being a SEAL and not the fame of having been a part of Operation Neptune Spear, much less being the triggerman.


Then why doesn't he go to college like the rest of us did? I'm sorry but being the lucky guy who was the first one in the room that Bin Laden was hiding in does not mean he gets free sh*t just handed to him. How many SEALs have come and gone and not had these problems that he has?
 
2013-02-15 08:00:44 AM

Silverstaff: They'll say "thank you for your service". . .but never back those words up with deeds.


To be completely fair, the job market still sucks for everybody.  Unemployment is still up near 8% (7.9% in January according to data.bls.gov).

Unless you have skills that are in high demand, you're screwed whether you're a veteran or not.
 
2013-02-15 08:04:14 AM

Ebbelwoi: Memo to Leon Panetta:  Don't ever call a US soldier a "kid".  You farking idiot.


STFU. some of them are kids, get over it ahole.
 
2013-02-15 08:13:30 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Silverstaff: He seems to want either a plain ordinary office job, or some kind of consultant job. . .but one he can get just off of being a SEAL and not the fame of having been a part of Operation Neptune Spear, much less being the triggerman.

Then why doesn't he go to college like the rest of us did? I'm sorry but being the lucky guy who was the first one in the room that Bin Laden was hiding in does not mean he gets free sh*t just handed to him. How many SEALs have come and gone and not had these problems that he has?


He should have Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits.  That's a full ride 4 year scholarship to any public university in the country, plus BAH (at E-5 rate).

No reason he can't go to school, and even get housing paid for in the process.

The whole thing honestly sounds like he hit epic burnout, just wanted to stop trying or giving a damn, and would like to just retire, but he was a few years too early to do that on the Navy dime.

Did his ego prevent him from asking for a new assignment, like something outside the Special Warfare community?  Couldn't he have become an instructor if he wanted to stay in the SEAL world, but not be an operator any more?

He could have changed ratings and become a cook, a lowly, lowly cook.

www.everythingaction.com
 
2013-02-15 08:14:41 AM

Silverstaff: He should have Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits.  That's a full ride 4 year scholarship to any public university in the country, plus BAH (at E-5 rate).

No reason he can't go to school, and even get housing paid for in the process.

The whole thing honestly sounds like he hit epic burnout, just wanted to stop trying or giving a damn, and would like to just retire, but he was a few years too early to do that on the Navy dime.

Did his ego prevent him from asking for a new assignment, like something outside the Special Warfare community?  Couldn't he have become an instructor if he wanted to stay in the SEAL world, but not be an operator any more?

He could have changed ratings and become a cook, a lowly, lowly cook.

[www.everythingaction.com image 320x262]


Exactly! I just can't have sympathy for him because he ran to the media to give an interview instead of getting help.

Look how well Steven Seagal did after becoming a cook!
 
2013-02-15 08:16:45 AM

dittybopper: Silverstaff: They'll say "thank you for your service". . .but never back those words up with deeds.

To be completely fair, the job market still sucks for everybody.  Unemployment is still up near 8% (7.9% in January according to data.bls.gov).

Unless you have skills that are in high demand, you're screwed whether you're a veteran or not.


And when your skill set on your résumé reads simply "jumps out of airplanes and kills people", it makes it a little harder still to find work.
 
2013-02-15 08:19:17 AM

log_jammin: By retiring four years before his 20th year of service, the SEAL also immediately lost all health benefits.

bullshiat.

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp


Guess his application wasn't successfully processed.
 
2013-02-15 08:28:22 AM
PTSD, which he's not supposed to have because it's a glorious thing to shoot a bad guy in the face.

Occam's Razor. And yeah, he could do a Rambo/Dorner/guy who killed the sniper/Ft Hood... Damn, we gotta get soldiers and police some more guns.
 
2013-02-15 08:37:39 AM

SkunkWerks: With very little known about either side of the story (all that national security concern is swell, of course), I'm going to go with:

I don't know enough to cast my vote either way and I don't care enough to waste effort trying to find out more or pull stuff out of my hinder so I can argue with other farkers about it pointlessly.

I'm no fun, I know.


Really?  I'm going with "ex-military people love biatching, and their biatching is  never remotely true.  Ever."

And also, "If a SEAL actually broke operational security about a recent operation the headlines wouldn't be 'Navy SEAL Hero Denied Health Care' on page 1 or 2, they'd be 'Random Navy Veteran Dies Unexpectedly of Stroke: We Think He Was a Sailor or Something' on the local obit section."

Basically I've not really seen any evidence that our government is reluctant to play for keepsies on this kind of thing, so "paranoid nut makes shiat up, Army makes wry reply about nutters gonna nut but doesn't care" is realistically the  only  real possibility here.

//Well, "he's being specifically paid by the CIA to spread this story to keep eyes off actual Seal team people" is conceivable, as well, though less likely than nutters being nuts.
 
2013-02-15 08:43:52 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: 100 Watt Walrus: This piece is by Phil Bronstein, former Executive Editor of the SF Examiner, then the SF Chronicle, one-time finalist for the Pulitzer, and currently chairman of the board for the Center for Investigative Reporting -

In other words, a King Douchbag Attention Whore looking to goose his street cred a little bit.


Pretty much, yep.
 
2013-02-15 08:46:01 AM

log_jammin: By retiring four years before his 20th year of service, the SEAL also immediately lost all health benefits.

bullshiat.

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp


Obamacare strikes again!!!
 
2013-02-15 08:47:05 AM

staplermofo: I know.  I'm just bitter that none of the times I've called a paper during an emotional breakdown and told incredible, not credible stories to them they never made print.  Well, at least not my side.  Their side only made it to a police report and restraining order.  Bastards and their connections.


In those stories, do you redundantly repeat stuff more than once?
 
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