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(Rolling Stone)   The ten messiest band breakups in history. Difficulty: The Eagles aren't at number one   (rollingstone.com) divider line 95
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2013-02-15 12:32:51 AM
6 votes:
ABBA turned down a billion (with a "B") dollars for a reunion tour in 2000.  That's true hate.
2013-02-15 12:16:19 AM
6 votes:
How can you have Queensryche's or Rage Against the Machine's breakup here but not Pink Floyd (the Gilmour-led band after Roger Waters' departure had to hire lawyers in every city of their first tour to keep Roger Waters from filing injunctions against them) or, for the love of God, the Beatles?

I guess they wanted to try to not go for the old standby, but Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.
2013-02-15 12:27:40 AM
4 votes:
Nirvana's was pretty messy
2013-02-15 12:23:16 AM
4 votes:
The Beatles aren't on there? My mother cried for a week. Seriously.
2013-02-15 11:02:54 AM
3 votes:

drewogatory:  Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.


That and you could only get away with playing the exact same song 12 times to make an album for so long.
2013-02-15 09:11:55 AM
3 votes:

digistil: ecl: sadbad: I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band. I love that Billy Corgan has the balls to lay the blame for the original Pumpkins lineup collapsing entirely on Iha. I'm not even a big fan of either's music (though I do think that the guitar solo on "Cherub Rock" is one of the best of the 90s - so a point to Corgan), but since 2000 Iha has collaborated with what seems like a ton of people, kept a relatively low profile, seems chill, all while Billy Corgan has constant verbal slappy-fights with Courtney Love on Twitter, a revolving door of bandmates and spends a gratuitous amount of time giving interviews trash-talking all of his ex-bandmates and exes. Oh yes, I'm sure it was all James Iha's fault, Billy.

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Also, Sting is a condescending butthole.

Unfortunately, most successful, insanely talented people are.


The best song Sting ever wrote in his solo career doesn't hold up to anything The Police did when they were farking warming up and tuning their guitars, sorry. He's an over-rated self important douche who was not the best part of that band.
2013-02-15 08:57:11 AM
3 votes:

ozarkmatt: Tommy Shaw and (JY) vs. Dennis DeYoung. Boy, that was a cluster fark.


I'll say.  But DeYoung gets the golden douche award in this case.  Morphing into Barry Manilow after Babe went to #1 was bad enough.  But *forcing* them to do all the stupid stuff....the Roboto album....refusing to play in larger venues.....and then the ridiculous "play" he made them (try to) perform.  They were lucky the crowds didn't rumble at the shows.

Tommy and JY just wanted to play Rock & Roll....without all the stupid stuff.  And they're doing it now.
2013-02-15 08:34:08 AM
3 votes:
Summing up some key, missed ones. (Some were mentioned already)

Badfinger - this one might've set the bar for bad break-ups.
Pink Floyd - not a total break-up, but the post-Waters band wasn't the same band, I don't care what you say.
Styx - not a true break-up, but like Floyd, Styx sans DeYoung is just a limp oldies act.
Journey - same deal as Styx. Without Steve Perry it's a cover band called Journey.
Sweet - another one where losing an important member ruined the band's sound, and sent them spiraling into irrelevance.
Pantera - it was Phil's fault. Try and dispute that.
The Smiths - this might be one of the few, major bands left that has, and may never, attempt a reunion.
The Mars Volta - I'm amazed they lasted as long as they did.

mekkab: blue_2501: Nothing from the Norwegian black metal scene?  Wasn't there one band that broke up because one member ate another?

farkingismybusiness: Mayhem?

Yes, this kinda tops 'em all.

'Band broke up because guitarist forced the singer to kill himself.'

Oh, but carry on with your list of slap-fights back stage and trash talking in magazines, I'm sure those were brutal.


Dead was a majorly depressed dude. By all accounts I've read, he would've done the deed sooner or later without Euronymous' help.
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2013-02-15 05:38:45 AM
3 votes:

sadbad: I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band. I love that Billy Corgan has the balls to lay the blame for the original Pumpkins lineup collapsing entirely on Iha. I'm not even a big fan of either's music (though I do think that the guitar solo on "Cherub Rock" is one of the best of the 90s - so a point to Corgan), but since 2000 Iha has collaborated with what seems like a ton of people, kept a relatively low profile, seems chill, all while Billy Corgan has constant verbal slappy-fights with Courtney Love on Twitter, a revolving door of bandmates and spends a gratuitous amount of time giving interviews trash-talking all of his ex-bandmates and exes. Oh yes, I'm sure it was all James Iha's fault, Billy.


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Also, Sting is a condescending butthole.
2013-02-15 04:35:38 AM
3 votes:
FTA: It's a shame that the best rap-rock band of the 1990s was also the least functional. Rage Against the Machine's three albums are pretty much flawless

What are you smoking, and why aren't you sharing?

\Thrax's version of Bring the Noise easily topped everything Rage every recorded.
2013-02-15 03:12:31 AM
3 votes:
I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band. I love that Billy Corgan has the balls to lay the blame for the original Pumpkins lineup collapsing entirely on Iha. I'm not even a big fan of either's music (though I do think that the guitar solo on "Cherub Rock" is one of the best of the 90s - so a point to Corgan), but since 2000 Iha has collaborated with what seems like a ton of people, kept a relatively low profile, seems chill, all while Billy Corgan has constant verbal slappy-fights with Courtney Love on Twitter, a revolving door of bandmates and spends a gratuitous amount of time giving interviews trash-talking all of his ex-bandmates and exes. Oh yes, I'm sure it was all James Iha's fault, Billy.
2013-02-15 02:37:59 AM
3 votes:
Yet another reason I love Rammstein. The six of them are original members and if one ever leaves the band will cease to exist. They've said its a "six-way marriage" and they all get along, their families get along, some of their children are siblings, they are friends as well as band mates. I love knowing that people I love love each other, too. And they kick ass. So best of both worlds.

Video shoot for "Haifisch" (Shark). Supposed to be angry with each other and about to fight, but Richard and Paul can't even glare at each other without laughing.
2013-02-15 11:32:14 AM
2 votes:

FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.


This is pretty much why I wish Green Day would just go away. IMO they should've left the band in the nineties where it belonged, because every album since they have come back has essentially been "Hate the Republicans!" "Hate the politics!" "America , why can't you do anything right?!" While I didn't completely hate American Idiot, I was over their propaganda scheme relatively quickly.
2013-02-15 11:23:26 AM
2 votes:

ScouserDuck: That and you could only get away with playing the exact same song 12 times to make an album for so long.


Chili Peppers have been doing it for thirty years now.
2013-02-15 10:53:55 AM
2 votes:
 Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.
2013-02-15 10:18:13 AM
2 votes:
FTA: Since then, things have only gotten worse between the original crew. Axl called Slash a "cancer" and refused to even attend the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction because his ex-bandmates would be in the room.

This from someone that didn't go back on stage in Montreal claiming "throat problems"...while smoking and drinking.

Fark Axi Rose.
2013-02-15 09:55:37 AM
2 votes:

Another Government Employee: List fails seriously without Credence Clearwater Revival.  When the legal aftermath keeps somebody out of studio for ten years, that is saying something.


I missed it too. That was a major oversight. CCR's break-up was so bad, the band's former record company sued the chief songwriter for plagiarizing himself.
2013-02-15 09:53:48 AM
2 votes:
I'd have to vote for the Mamas and the Papas.  After hearing that John and Michelle hadn't talked to each other in years, I wondered "what the heck could've possibly happened to make them loathe each other so?"

Then MacKenzie makes her "I had a decades-long consensual sexual relationship with my father" announcement on Oprah.

Wow.  Yep, that would do it.
2013-02-15 09:47:48 AM
2 votes:
List fails seriously without Credence Clearwater Revival.  When the legal aftermath keeps somebody out of studio for ten years, that is saying something.
2013-02-15 09:34:07 AM
2 votes:

roll_with_sobchak: Dammit man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Sh*t! When did that happen?


I did not think I would see a Romancing the Stone reference today.  Thank you.
2013-02-15 08:41:33 AM
2 votes:
missed on the list - CCR (that was a BIG miss considering how bad the feud was between the Fogerty's), Split Enz and the Black Crowes (who have , again, started working together)
2013-02-15 07:45:18 AM
2 votes:
Fear Factory? Fired guitar player, 5 years later took him back and fired bassist and drummer. Band now only has 2 permanent members.
2013-02-15 07:39:36 AM
2 votes:
Silly article.  Queensryche didn't break up in 2012.  Queensryche broke up when DeGarmo left.
2013-02-15 07:12:58 AM
2 votes:

digistil: Representative of the unwashed masses: Snapper Carr: No Van Halen? Seems all they do is break up

Yup list fails without Van Halen

Van Halen is more of a circus act than a band.


I like the circus. And you should have seen them circa 1979. Hell of a band.
2013-02-15 05:20:36 AM
2 votes:
Badfinger.
2013-02-15 01:04:54 AM
2 votes:

DigitalCoffee: Are we all still blaming Yoko, or have we moved on from there yet?

/yoko! that biatch!
//guess we're still blaming her then...


Yoko was a symptom (of John's growing boredom and dissatisfaction with the band which ultimately led to the breakup), not the cause (though bringing her into the studio certainly didn't help)
2013-02-15 12:43:59 AM
2 votes:

Snapper Carr: No Van Halen? Seems all they do is break up


Yup list fails without Van Halen
2013-02-15 12:31:15 AM
2 votes:

jake_lex: How can you have Queensryche's or Rage Against the Machine's breakup here but not Pink Floyd (the Gilmour-led band after Roger Waters' departure had to hire lawyers in every city of their first tour to keep Roger Waters from filing injunctions against them) or, for the love of God, the Beatles?

I guess they wanted to try to not go for the old standby, but Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.


This.  See also: Dead Kennedys
2013-02-15 12:30:16 AM
2 votes:
The breakup of the Clash gave us Big Audio Dynamite and The Pixies' failure produced the Breeders, so I'm OK with those two.
2013-02-16 01:30:11 PM
1 votes:

Katya Bolsov: Rammstein


I know things got very tense during "Mutter," mostly because of Richard, but Emigrate specifically saved the band, according to Richard. He was having issues and getting to do Emigrate solved them. He also promised the guys that nothing he did with Emigrate would affect them and Rammstein would always come first with him (he did found Rammstein, after all) and he's proven his commitment to Rammstein ever since. It's been so long since the first Emigrate album because he's focused on Rammstein. The new Emigrate album should be out this year and I can hardly wait.

As for Richard's and Till's oldest daughters being sisters...yeah, it's probably not a good idea to take up with your band mate's former wife and have a kid with her, but I think they've handled that whole thing remarkably well.

The fact that they are all East Germans and have the same cultural background and they felt like aliens when they emerged to the West and so clung to each other helped a lot in keeping them together all these years.

No, things have not always been sunshine and puppies, but that's true in any relationship. The fact that they are still together and are still so close that they spend a lot of time together even when they aren't "forced" together like on tours says a lot.
2013-02-15 10:34:22 PM
1 votes:

JosephFinn: sadbad: I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band.

For some reason, this makes me think of how Pearl Jam has had basically the same lineup since 1991 (except for drums and their current guy has been with them for 15 years).  For however pretentious we like to think Eddie Vedder can be, he and his bandmates must be doing something right.

(See also: Weird Al and his crew, who go back to about 1980, but we all know Al's a cool dude.)


I know they're, like, FARK most hated band, but U2 has been the same 4 guys since '77, though, from what I've heard, they almost called it quits a couple of times during their tenure.
2013-02-15 09:22:20 PM
1 votes:
the Split of the 1973/74 version of King Crimson was pretty messy.....

From what I've read, touring took a toll on them.... David Cross was feeling edged-out sound-wise by the other members on stage (his violin work was being drowned out by Wetton's massive bass sound and Fripp's wankery).. Wetton supposedly had a nasty drug habit. They had to pound unappreciative audiences into the ground with loud, lengthy improvs. The decision was made to eject Cross out of the band, so that by the time "Red" rolled around they were a three-piece, albeit with supporting studio musicians. (Oddly enough, original member Ian McDonald was to become part of the band again, but that was not to be).
The band was very tentative about ejecting Cross however, as Cross would "jump out a window" (quote from Fripp on the Buffamondo show, 1979) if he heard the news, supposedly suffering from depression at the time. But the call was made, and he was fired, and in the interview Fripp seems to regret the way it went down. (ie. a phone call instead of in person). Further tensions arose during the recording of "Red", when Fripp, Bruford and Wetton would creep into the studio and raise their respective levels of audio on the albums tracks, one-upping each other. In the end Fripp came to the conclusion that the end of the world was nigh (citing a huge economic collapse by the end of the decade), and retired from music for 3 years to attend some sort of teachings of a Mr. Bennett.
He supposedly offered for Wetton and Bruford along with the King Crimson name to continue on without him, to tour, but they declined. (They would later work together again in the band UK). Later on in the papers, Fripp cited that King Crimson was "Over. Forever and Ever".
2013-02-15 05:49:53 PM
1 votes:

sadbad: I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band.


For some reason, this makes me think of how Pearl Jam has had basically the same lineup since 1991 (except for drums and their current guy has been with them for 15 years).  For however pretentious we like to think Eddie Vedder can be, he and his bandmates must be doing something right.

(See also: Weird Al and his crew, who go back to about 1980, but we all know Al's a cool dude.)
2013-02-15 05:31:06 PM
1 votes:
While not technically a breakup, the way Mike Portnoy was ejected from Dream Theater was pretty messy.
2013-02-15 04:36:52 PM
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: FeedTheCollapse: that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.

Considering that Paul Ryan bragged about being a big fan, your assessment sounds about right. At least half of RATM's fans are douche-bros that bang their heads to the music, but never actually LISTENED to the lyrics. The other half were kids that thought that wearing a Che Guevara shirt made them counter-culture revolutionaries despite not even knowing what Che Guevara actually did.


I will always argue that it's possible to like a band - or consider yourself to be a fan - without necessarily agreeing with the band's message. I really like the Eagles. I'd rank them among my favorite bands without hesitation. I think Henley and Frey are top-notch songwriters, not just the music but the lyrics. Even something modern like "Long Road Out Of Eden" has a quality to it that most modern songwriters (who are constrained to a poppy verse-chorus-verse format) can't match. They're also quite adept at making the voice of the song match the frontman/vocalist; when Joe Walsh is at the helm, you know it's a Joe Walsh song. When Timothy B. Schmit is singing, the tone is markedly different. And in a live show, they're note-perfect.

I don't agree with their political stance. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate their music on its own merits.

I sort of feel the same way about Rage. Their political ideals aren't aligned with my own, and I'm no counterculture warrior. I rarely wear t-shirts, never mind Che t-shirts. But occasionally, after a long day at work, there's no feeling like blasting "Renegades Of Funk" on the ride home.
2013-02-15 03:13:07 PM
1 votes:
Tensions flared all throughout the tour in support of 1979's The Long Run, but they got even worse at a 1980 benefit show for Senator Alan Cranston. Felder didn't want the band involved in political causes, and when the senator's wife visited the band backstage, he said, "Nice to meet you . . . I guess." Those last two words sent Glenn Frey into an uncontrollable rage, and onstage that night, the Eagles were actually threatening each other on mic. "That's three more, pal," Frey said. "Get ready." He was actually counting the number of songs remaining before he administered a backstage beatdown.

Getting violent when people don't agree with your politics? Yep, sounds like a liberal to me.
2013-02-15 03:01:35 PM
1 votes:

darch: Tyrosine: Losac: Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.

I'm not metal fan and had never really been exposed to Pantera until I saw them open for Black Sabbath during their reunion tour, but in the torturous half-hour or so that they played Phil Anselmo wins the award as the biggest douchebag I've ever seen in my life. Worse than Noel and Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, or even Morriessy.

The sad part is that the rest of the band was really good.


Well, you had two different Phil's: the smart, sober one who liked to have a laugh and could actually speak well on a variety of worldly subjects and then you had the other Phil- the Phil who liked to get as loaded as possible on booze and pills and say things like "SMOKE HEROIN" and throw out Nazi salutes from the stage. That Phil was a hateful mess of a human being who actual stated at the end of an interview "Dimebag Darrell needs to be severely beaten". He's since attemped to explain that statement, but really- how do you justify saying something like that about a man who, based on 99.99% of accounts, was one of the sweetest, most down-to-earth human beings EVER? Answer- you don't.

It was Phil's fault.


This. Phil is a junkie and by all accounts a total asshole. Every anecdote I've ever heard of people who met Dimebag Darrell (from fans, or fellow musicians) was of him being one of the nicest and friendliest people in the business.
2013-02-15 02:51:05 PM
1 votes:

Tyrosine: Losac: Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.

I'm not metal fan and had never really been exposed to Pantera until I saw them open for Black Sabbath during their reunion tour, but in the torturous half-hour or so that they played Phil Anselmo wins the award as the biggest douchebag I've ever seen in my life. Worse than Noel and Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, or even Morriessy.

The sad part is that the rest of the band was really good.



Well, you had two different Phil's: the smart, sober one who liked to have a laugh and could actually speak well on a variety of worldly subjects and then you had the other Phil- the Phil who liked to get as loaded as possible on booze and pills and say things like "SMOKE HEROIN" and throw out Nazi salutes from the stage. That Phil was a hateful mess of a human being who actual stated at the end of an interview "Dimebag Darrell needs to be severely beaten". He's since attemped to explain that statement, but really- how do you justify saying something like that about a man who, based on 99.99% of accounts, was one of the sweetest, most down-to-earth human beings EVER? Answer- you don't.

It was Phil's fault.
2013-02-15 02:29:32 PM
1 votes:
List fails without Creedence Clearwater Revival.
2013-02-15 01:57:25 PM
1 votes:

MadMonk: hurdboy: djjonze: Ween

^^ Inconsolable for weeks.

How was Ween a messy break up?  I thought Freeman quit because he wanted to fish full time?  That band was around for a long time, they were getting old and I can't imagine he could keep singing in all those different voices much longer without starting to sound old and tired.


They never broke up anyway.

"I can only speak for myself, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as Aaron and I are both alive on this planet, Ween is [sic] still together. We've never broken up. The idea of quitting is just laughable. This isn't something you can quit. This is a life sentence."

/La la la. I can't hear you.
2013-02-15 01:05:15 PM
1 votes:
farm2.staticflickr.com
2013-02-15 01:05:13 PM
1 votes:

deanis: chrisco123: Smiths, Dead Kennedys and Rush.  Top three.

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge Rush is still touring and making music...

/slap a dee biase mon


Yes, but in Canadian terms, that's a biatch-slapping catfight.
2013-02-15 12:43:59 PM
1 votes:
Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.
2013-02-15 11:50:04 AM
1 votes:

NewbornRook: FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.

This is pretty much why I wish Green Day would just go away. IMO they should've left the band in the nineties where it belonged, because every album since they have come back has essentially been "Hate the Republicans!" "Hate the politics!" "America , why can't you do anything right?!" While I didn't completely hate American Idiot, I was over their propaganda scheme relatively quickly.


eh, Green Day's political songs have never quite struck me with being quite as stone-faced serious as RATM's were, though their later (American Idiot-onward) work certainly seems to garnered a lot of praise for fairly shallow reasons.
2013-02-15 11:38:21 AM
1 votes:

silvervial: Yet another reason I love Rammstein. The six of them are original members and if one ever leaves the band will cease to exist. They've said its a "six-way marriage" and they all get along, their families get along, some of their children are siblings, they are friends as well as band mates. I love knowing that people I love love each other, too. And they kick ass. So best of both worlds.

Video shoot for "Haifisch" (Shark). Supposed to be angry with each other and about to fight, but Richard and Paul can't even glare at each other without laughing.


Don't get TOO warm and fuzzy over there. Rammstein almost qualified to top this list during the writing/ recording of and touring for the Mutter album. Things were really ugly during that time period. In fact, the "six way marriage" comments came as a result of that conflict. (Don't think Emigrate was just a cute little side project....)That Reise Reise even exists is no small miracle, but it took years to happen and there was a major lyrical and sound shift on that album as a result. It was like a 6 year gap between those 2 albums. Don't even get me started on the "some of their children are siblings" thing, because that wasn't always a good time either.

As for the Haifisch viseo... yeah, it's a video. These guys are a PR machine, you'll never accidentally see something candid, especially in a video.
2013-02-15 11:34:57 AM
1 votes:

FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.


Considering that Paul Ryan bragged about being a big fan, your assessment sounds about right. At least half of RATM's fans are douche-bros that bang their heads to the music, but never actually LISTENED to the lyrics. The other half were kids that thought that wearing a Che Guevara shirt made them counter-culture revolutionaries despite not even knowing what Che Guevara actually did.
2013-02-15 11:21:42 AM
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: ronically, "My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts" is now considered a cult classic by critics, while "Genius Of Love" is mostly known for being the song that Mariah Carey sampled in her 1995 hit "Fantasy".


yup...you could say Byrne got his revenge...30 years late.
2013-02-15 11:17:54 AM
1 votes:

drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.


that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.
2013-02-15 11:13:59 AM
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InmanRoshi: I knew a guy who had hung out with them for a while when they were on their 83 tour. He said Mick had this little portable drum machine thing that he was completely infatuated with and was always bopping along on, lost in his own little world. Paul was always smoked out to the point of being near catatonic. Joe seemed like he was at his wits end trying to find a way to veer them back on course.


wow that's cool.

i hugely regret passing on a Mescaleros show circa 1999, perhaps 2000, just about a mile away from me.  i had been golfing that day and was exhausted.  maybe one year later (obviously) Joe passed away and it wasn't until later yet, that i learned he often stuck around after the show to sign autographs and shoot the shiat.

dammit.
2013-02-15 11:08:11 AM
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rickythepenguin: yeah....you can hear a lof of him on Combat Rock trying out different things (or even some of Sandinista!) that clearly indicate towards what would become B.A.D. and Mick has since copped to his own shortcomings (skipping sessions, band meetings, his perpetual tardiness) that kinda forced their hand.....it seems a fait accompli i guess. who knows.


I knew a guy who had hung out with them for a while when they were on their 83 tour.    He said Mick had this  little portable  drum machine thing that he was completely infatuated with and was always bopping along on, lost in his own little world.    Paul was always smoked out to the point of being near catatonic.    Joe seemed like he was at his wits end trying to find a way to veer them back on course.
2013-02-15 10:43:32 AM
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bluorangefyre: And as far as The Beatles, the farther out in time things go, it seems like they felt like a spent force together and wanted to do their own things and go out on top. I strongly feel that had Lennon not been shot, they'd have gotten back together just to see if they could still do it.


I think they would have gotten back together before John got shot if he hadn't been such a junkie/neurotic mess for most of the 70s.    It's not like any of them had a whole heck of a lot going for them in the late 70s keeping them overly busy.    Wings had run out of steam,  Dark Horse had flopped and Ringo was well ... being Ringo with his movie biz and one off tours.   It kinda felt like they were all consciously or sub-consciously  sitting around with their calenders open waiting for John to get his shiat together and for the phone to ring.  True, George hated Yoko with a passion of a thousand suns, but it didn't seem like anything that couldn't be worked out between he and John.   After John died, it seems they all went to their backup Plan B, and unfortunately that brought about Give My Regards to Broadstreet *shudder*.
2013-02-15 10:17:12 AM
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baltimoreblonde: dookdookdook: ABBA turned down a billion (with a "B") dollars for a reunion tour in 2000.  That's true hate.

I don't think it's hate, it's more like "We're all doing our own thing, and we definitely don't need the money."


Translated from Scandanavian Passive Aggressivene  Politeness , that means "I want to cut out your heart with a rusty spoon and feed it to you".
2013-02-15 10:14:41 AM
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Christian Bale: He kept screwing up the lyrics until Phil smashed a guitar over his head and stormed out.

They write this as if it's only sort of a big deal. SMASHED a guitar over his brother's head? Couldn't that have killed him?

If this were Guns N Roses, yeah no big deal, but the Everly Brothers? I have my doubts as to whether any guitar smashing over anyone's head actually took place.


Yeah, most accounts have him just breaking his guitar, no mention of assaulting Don. BTW, Keith Richards always said Don was maybe the best rhythm player ever.
2013-02-15 10:14:03 AM
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Another Government Employee: List fails seriously without Credence Clearwater Revival.  When the legal aftermath keeps somebody out of studio for ten years, that is saying something.


It says you were successful enough to afford some really good lawyers.
2013-02-15 10:12:49 AM
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rickythepenguin: there's a heartbreaking moment in the....1991-ish "Westway to the World" documentary, where Joe basically admits without admitting that kicking Mick out was catastrophically stupid. he's refelcting on how the band ended (with a whimper) and how they'd forced out Mick. I haven't sen it in some time but JOe is struggling for words, he appears to be juuuuuust on the verge of crying, and he says something like, "when you have "it", you have the necessary ingredients......don't fark with it. don't fark with The Document." and it seems pretty clear it is a mea culpa for what happened.


I'm not sure what keeping Mick in the band would have accomplished ultimately.     He wasn't "kicked out" arbitrarily.   He had found a completely different muse.    It's just like any other relationship ... sometimes they just run their course, there's no one to blame and not really anything anyone could have done differently.
2013-02-15 09:59:33 AM
1 votes:

DisplacedTexan: I think you give Mindcrime II too much credit.  I wasn't necessarily expecting "The Godfather Part II", but I was really disappointed when it turned out to be "Vegas Vacation".


Still better than Dedicated To Chaos.
2013-02-15 09:32:17 AM
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ScouserDuck: I'm pretty sure there is a huge population who hate The Eagles purely because of The Big Lebowski. No, not everyone has to like them, but I have a feeling that it has a similar effect to what the movie Sideways did to Merlot sales.


i've told this story before but, for decades i've hated the eagles. in music threads here, i'd say how much i hate the eagles.  because i do. i farking hate them.

so, people would say, "ok ricky, we get it, 'shut the fark up donny'", or "ok dude, we saw 'big lebowski' too, settle down" and I never got the joke, as i'd never seen TBL.

so it wasn't until about, ohhhh, 2-3 years ago i finally saw Lebowski, and then it all made sense.

bt in point of fact, i farking hate the eagles and always have.  even in high school.  one of my best friends listened to Hotel California before races and I think that's where i developed my hatred of them.  I farking hate the godamn eagles.
2013-02-15 09:30:07 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Insanely creative people can be very difficult to get along with sometimes.
2013-02-15 09:29:56 AM
1 votes:
Dammit man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Sh*t! When did that happen?
2013-02-15 09:26:08 AM
1 votes:
Mostly because Mr. White is a liar.
i3.photobucket.com
2013-02-15 09:18:38 AM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: The best song Sting ever wrote in his solo career doesn't hold up to anything The Police did when they were farking warming up and tuning their guitars, sorry. He's an over-rated self important douche who was not the best part of that band.


Just one of those rare combinations of musicians that fires on all 8 cylinders.  They caught lightening in a bottle....unfortunately one member decides he's the king and pulls the cork.  Yep....extremely unfortunate.
2013-02-15 09:16:07 AM
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Guns and Roses:  how much money did they leave on the table? jesus.

Even worse, the bandmates were unable to agree on a future musical direction. Guitarist Mick Jones was becoming enamored with hip-hop, bassist Paul Simonon liked reggae and frontman Joe Strummer wanted a return to punk. Jones and Strummer were barely talking when they returned from a long hiatus to play the US Festival in 1983. The show didn't go very well, and the Clash felt like sellouts for playing the corporate gig. Jones left the band soon afterwards, and the less said about the Clash's 1985 swan song, Cut the Crap, the better.

there's a heartbreaking moment in the....1991-ish "Westway to the World" documentary, where Joe basically admits without admitting that kicking Mick out was catastrophically stupid.  he's refelcting on how the band ended (with a whimper) and  how they'd forced out Mick.  I haven't sen it in some time but JOe is struggling for words, he appears to be juuuuuust on the verge of crying, and he says something like, "when you have "it", you have the necessary ingredients......don't fark with it.  don't fark with The Document."  and it seems pretty clear it is a mea culpa for what happened.

and in mid 1999, there was talk of a summer 2000 reunion.  *sigh*  a lot of folks have 9/11 as their "Welcome to fark" moment....Joe's death may be mine.
2013-02-15 09:14:00 AM
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Onkel Buck: swankywanky: missed on the list - CCR (that was a BIG miss considering how bad the feud was between the Fogerty's), Split Enz and the Black Crowes (who have , again, started working together)

Do people really care if you had a messy break-up if you were a one hit wonder?

/I dont know why sometimes I get frightened


Maybe one hit in America.  They're a lot bigger in most of the world.    In Austrailia and New Zealand they're the farking Beatles.
2013-02-15 09:09:39 AM
1 votes:

Krowdaddy Chixdiggit: pickle65: I hate the farking Eagles man

SO MUCH THIS^^^^^

/Some asshat called them the American Beatles and I was FURIOUS!
//Oh Yea......THEY SUCK!!!


I'm pretty sure there is a huge population who hate The Eagles purely because of The Big Lebowski. No, not everyone has to like them, but I have a feeling that it has a similar effect to what the movie Sideways did to Merlot sales.
2013-02-15 09:08:27 AM
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swankywanky: missed on the list - CCR (that was a BIG miss considering how bad the feud was between the Fogerty's), Split Enz and the Black Crowes (who have , again, started working together)


Do people really care if you had a messy break-up if you were a one hit wonder?

/I dont know why sometimes I get frightened
2013-02-15 09:06:24 AM
1 votes:

baltimoreblonde: dookdookdook: ABBA turned down a billion (with a "B") dollars for a reunion tour in 2000.  That's true hate.

I don't think it's hate, it's more like "We're all doing our own thing, and we definitely don't need the money."


And, (not trying to be sexist here) it may have something to do with the fact that the women aren't thrilled about it since they've all aged considerably.     Y'know....why deal with the inevitable criticism about "how they don't look as good as they used to" when they're living comfortably as billionaires?

\ABBA was Sweden's largest money-making business 2nd only to Volvo.
2013-02-15 09:03:32 AM
1 votes:
Rolling Stone has proven absolutely incapable of making lists when they left Brian Setzer off the top 100 guitarists of all time. From the reaction towards this list in this thread, their history continues.
2013-02-15 08:56:00 AM
1 votes:

sadbad: I love that Billy Corgan has the balls to lay the blame for the original Pumpkins lineup collapsing entirely on Iha.


Look, if Iha would have just done exactly what Billy told him at all times, never raised a peep of protest when Billy blamed him for every wrong note the band ever played, and conformed to the thrice daily worship service dedicated to Billy's Godlike Aura, the Pumpkins would still be together today. But no, Iha chose to be selfish and make it all about himself.
2013-02-15 08:54:42 AM
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InmanRoshi: Uncle Tupelo's breakup was pretty messy.


knew there was a reason I liked Farrar better than Tweedy.

\same goes for Son Volt vs Wilco
2013-02-15 08:51:53 AM
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2013-02-15 08:51:11 AM
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sadbad: I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band.


This, ESPECIALLY in Queensryche's case.  A friend of mine did sound for Fates' Warning on that tour, so he was there for the entire thing.  Heard about it long before it became public knowledge.  Love, love, love that the article doesn't mention Tate knowing about it before hand and being late to the show.  Or the part about him tearing apart the drumset, or any of the other shiat he did once he got there.  Or that they not only did they still end up playing - albeit late - they had security on the stage's wings to make sure HE didn't start another onstage fight.  And that they played three more gigs (IIRC) the same way.

After the whole thing went down, I think the realization was, I've completely lost any respect I might have had for Geoff Tate.   The moral of the Queensryche story is that not all of Spinal Tap is a joke.  Don't ever have a manager who's related by blood or marriage to a member of the band.

\My moral, it's good to know people who can supply you with CSBs in this case!
2013-02-15 08:47:50 AM
1 votes:

pickle65: I hate the farking Eagles man


SO MUCH THIS^^^^^

/Some asshat called them the American Beatles and I was FURIOUS!
//Oh Yea......THEY SUCK!!!
2013-02-15 08:44:48 AM
1 votes:

pickle65: I hate the farking Eagles man

2013-02-15 08:32:54 AM
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Keywork99: barneyfifesbullet: Queensryche's breakup is the nastiest in years.

To be fair, I'd be angry and ready to split too if I had released albums like American Soldier and Dedicated to Chaos.

Seriously, Queensryche has sucked for a while now and aside from Operation Mindcrime II (which was alright, but not great), they haven't released anything halfway decent since the late 90's.


I think you give Mindcrime II too much credit.  I wasn't necessarily expecting "The Godfather Part II", but I was really disappointed when it turned out to be "Vegas Vacation".

Click Click D'oh: Silly article.  Queensryche didn't break up in 2012.  Queensryche broke up when DeGarmo left.


This.
2013-02-15 08:29:15 AM
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I dunno, subby, the dudes I'd never heard of where one guy brained his brother with a guitar, dropped the mic, and walked off and  never talked to his brother again  until a family funeral sounds a bit more messy than some drunk guys threatening a fight, not actually getting in one, then peacefully deciding they can't work together anymore.
2013-02-15 08:19:56 AM
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sadbad: I love that the article sources most of its quotations from the lead singers. If there's one common thread in all band breakups it's that the ego of the vocalist starts to cannibalize the band. I love that Billy Corgan has the balls to lay the blame for the original Pumpkins lineup collapsing entirely on Iha. I'm not even a big fan of either's music (though I do think that the guitar solo on "Cherub Rock" is one of the best of the 90s - so a point to Corgan), but since 2000 Iha has collaborated with what seems like a ton of people, kept a relatively low profile, seems chill, all while Billy Corgan has constant verbal slappy-fights with Courtney Love on Twitter, a revolving door of bandmates and spends a gratuitous amount of time giving interviews trash-talking all of his ex-bandmates and exes. Oh yes, I'm sure it was all James Iha's fault, Billy.


Big Al Anderson & NRBQ and Natalie Merchant & 10,000 Maniacs spring to mind

/Howard Johnson's got his mojo working
2013-02-15 08:01:49 AM
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blue_2501: Nothing from the Norwegian black metal scene?  Wasn't there one band that broke up because one member ate another?


farkingismybusiness: Mayhem?


Yes, this kinda tops 'em all.

'Band broke up because guitarist forced the singer to kill himself.'

Oh, but carry on with your list of slap-fights back stage and trash talking in magazines, I'm sure those were brutal.
2013-02-15 08:01:37 AM
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blue_2501: Nothing from the Norwegian black metal scene?  Wasn't there one band that broke up because one member ate another?


Probably more than one, but Mayhem is the most infamous. Technically they're still around after their vocalist killed himself (And I think they never actually ate Dead, just stole some bones from the suicide scene) and their bassist killed their guitarist. Read their story, it makes GnR look like U2 in terms of bandmate stability.

/I realize details of this account may not be accurate and ergo a bounty is now on my head in parts of Norway. My apologies.
2013-02-15 07:32:47 AM
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ghare: digistil: Representative of the unwashed masses: Snapper Carr: No Van Halen? Seems all they do is break up

Yup list fails without Van Halen

Van Halen is more of a circus act than a band.

I like the circus. And you should have seen them circa 1979. Hell of a band.


And like all good circus freaks, the guys in VH love money more than they hate each other.  They're always willing to reform for a quick buck.
2013-02-15 07:29:08 AM
1 votes:
Try to get through that slideshow on an ipad browser. I dare you.
2013-02-15 07:12:09 AM
1 votes:

barneyfifesbullet: Queensryche's breakup is the nastiest in years.


To be fair, I'd be angry and ready to split too if I had released albums like American Soldier and Dedicated to Chaos.

Seriously, Queensryche has sucked for a while now and aside from Operation Mindcrime II (which was alright, but not great), they haven't released anything halfway decent since the late 90's.
2013-02-15 05:42:24 AM
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Ed Grubermann: B.L.Z. Bub: Ed Grubermann: jake_lex: How can you have Queensryche's or Rage Against the Machine's breakup here but not Pink Floyd (the Gilmour-led band after Roger Waters' departure had to hire lawyers in every city of their first tour to keep Roger Waters from filing injunctions against them)

Fark Roger Waters. He didn't have any problem keeping the gravy train rolling after Sid left.

The two situations are hardly comparable. Syd was losing his damn mind.

And Waters had turned into an insufferable douche who wouldn't stop whinging on about his dad. But so what? It's not like Floyd was originally Sid's band. Oh, wait...


IANAL, but I would think that you lose the rights to your band when you become clinically insane.
2013-02-15 05:04:38 AM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: jake_lex: How can you have Queensryche's or Rage Against the Machine's breakup here but not Pink Floyd (the Gilmour-led band after Roger Waters' departure had to hire lawyers in every city of their first tour to keep Roger Waters from filing injunctions against them)

Fark Roger Waters. He didn't have any problem keeping the gravy train rolling after Sid left.


The two situations are hardly comparable. Syd was losing his damn mind.
2013-02-15 04:59:12 AM
1 votes:
The Veruca Salt breakup was pretty messy according to many accounts.
2013-02-15 04:37:01 AM
1 votes:
Badlands?

Not a well-known band, but there was an incident at a show where Ray Gillen was holding up a magazine with a Jake E. Lee interview in it where Lee just trashes Gillen.

Gillen says to the crowd, "don't believe everything you read," while Lee is saying "it's all true."

Even though they hated each other at that point, they supposedly still put on an amazing show.
2013-02-15 02:33:57 AM
1 votes:

DigitalCoffee: Are we all still blaming Yoko, or have we moved on from there yet?

/yoko! that biatch!
//guess we're still blaming her then...


John was just  pussy-whipped.
2013-02-15 02:24:07 AM
1 votes:
Creedence comes to mind.
2013-02-15 01:55:22 AM
1 votes:
Theres no way in Hell the guys in GnR would sign away all their rights to the band for one gig.  No one could possibly be that dumb.
2013-02-15 01:45:11 AM
1 votes:

Harry_Seldon: Koalacaust: The Eagles never broke up, they just took a 14 year vacation.

I guess they stayed together in the long run.


They were brought down more by the band members' lyin' eyes rather than a witchy woman like the Beatles
2013-02-15 01:45:11 AM
1 votes:
Pantera's was pretty bad.
2013-02-15 01:21:32 AM
1 votes:

Koalacaust: The Eagles never broke up, they just took a 14 year vacation.


I guess they stayed together in the long run.
2013-02-15 01:18:35 AM
1 votes:
I hate the farking Eagles man
2013-02-15 01:18:20 AM
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Did  Queensryche not watch Spinal Tap.  Did Tates wife suggest they record their next album in Dubly?
2013-02-15 12:47:40 AM
1 votes:
The Eagles never broke up, they just took a 14 year vacation.
2013-02-15 12:28:31 AM
1 votes:
No Van Halen? Seems all they do is break up
 
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