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2013-02-15 11:32:14 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.


This is pretty much why I wish Green Day would just go away. IMO they should've left the band in the nineties where it belonged, because every album since they have come back has essentially been "Hate the Republicans!" "Hate the politics!" "America , why can't you do anything right?!" While I didn't completely hate American Idiot, I was over their propaganda scheme relatively quickly.
 
2013-02-15 11:34:43 AM  

rickythepenguin: i hugely regret passing on a Mescaleros show circa 1999, perhaps 2000, just about a mile away from me.  i had been golfing that day and was exhausted.  maybe one year later (obviously) Joe passed away and it wasn't until later yet, that i learned he often stuck around after the show to sign autographs and shoot the shiat.

dammit.


wow, i hear you big time - I had just moved back to New England from Orlando (like drove back the day before) and they were playing not far from where I was staying.  between the move, the drive, my marriage at the time melting down, I said "fark it, he'll be back next year and I promise <to myself> that I'll go see him then."  what a bummer.
 
2013-02-15 11:34:57 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.


Considering that Paul Ryan bragged about being a big fan, your assessment sounds about right. At least half of RATM's fans are douche-bros that bang their heads to the music, but never actually LISTENED to the lyrics. The other half were kids that thought that wearing a Che Guevara shirt made them counter-culture revolutionaries despite not even knowing what Che Guevara actually did.
 
2013-02-15 11:38:21 AM  

silvervial: Yet another reason I love Rammstein. The six of them are original members and if one ever leaves the band will cease to exist. They've said its a "six-way marriage" and they all get along, their families get along, some of their children are siblings, they are friends as well as band mates. I love knowing that people I love love each other, too. And they kick ass. So best of both worlds.

Video shoot for "Haifisch" (Shark). Supposed to be angry with each other and about to fight, but Richard and Paul can't even glare at each other without laughing.


Don't get TOO warm and fuzzy over there. Rammstein almost qualified to top this list during the writing/ recording of and touring for the Mutter album. Things were really ugly during that time period. In fact, the "six way marriage" comments came as a result of that conflict. (Don't think Emigrate was just a cute little side project....)That Reise Reise even exists is no small miracle, but it took years to happen and there was a major lyrical and sound shift on that album as a result. It was like a 6 year gap between those 2 albums. Don't even get me started on the "some of their children are siblings" thing, because that wasn't always a good time either.

As for the Haifisch viseo... yeah, it's a video. These guys are a PR machine, you'll never accidentally see something candid, especially in a video.
 
2013-02-15 11:40:02 AM  

chrisco123: Smiths, Dead Kennedys and Rush.  Top three.


Forgive me if i'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge Rush is still touring and making music...

/slap a dee biase mon
 
2013-02-15 11:43:19 AM  
I never made it through Rolling Stones list.  I gave up after just two bands, sick of the website popup telling me about their iPad application.

Was Talking Heads on there?
 
2013-02-15 11:47:24 AM  
List fails because it doesn't have the bands that I think they should. Sarcasm.
 
2013-02-15 11:50:04 AM  

NewbornRook: FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.

This is pretty much why I wish Green Day would just go away. IMO they should've left the band in the nineties where it belonged, because every album since they have come back has essentially been "Hate the Republicans!" "Hate the politics!" "America , why can't you do anything right?!" While I didn't completely hate American Idiot, I was over their propaganda scheme relatively quickly.


eh, Green Day's political songs have never quite struck me with being quite as stone-faced serious as RATM's were, though their later (American Idiot-onward) work certainly seems to garnered a lot of praise for fairly shallow reasons.
 
2013-02-15 11:51:21 AM  

Christian Bale: He kept screwing up the lyrics until Phil smashed a guitar over his head and stormed out.

They write this as if it's only sort of a big deal. SMASHED a guitar over his brother's head? Couldn't that have killed him?

If this were Guns N Roses, yeah no big deal, but the Everly Brothers? I have my doubts as to whether any guitar smashing over anyone's head actually took place.


Remember we're talking about the Everly Brothers. Acoustic guitars smash up pretty easy.
 
2013-02-15 11:51:21 AM  

GreenAdder: Dead Kennedys
Misfits
Black Flag


These, although I tend to Black Flag as a slow, epic, painful deterioration rather than a break-up.

TFA mentions the first two Pixies albums as being more-or-less masterpieces.  I'm assuming they mean Surfer Rosa and Doolittle and are skipping Come On, Pilgrim, right?
 
2013-02-15 11:52:11 AM  
VIEW.  Tend to VIEW.

/it's called preview, asshole.
 
2013-02-15 11:57:41 AM  

Champion of the Sun: ScouserDuck: That and you could only get away with playing the exact same song 12 times to make an album for so long.

Chili Peppers have been doing it for thirty years now.


Oh, come on now.  There's a palpable shift between pre- and post-Blood Sugar.They've only been doing that for slightly over 20 years/??? (and who cares) albums.

/D) Profit!
 
2013-02-15 12:00:01 PM  

Fano: Nirvana's was pretty messy


♪ If loving this post is wrong, I don't wanna be right! ♫
 
2013-02-15 12:11:24 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.


Meh.  As you can see here, they kind of wussed out by the end.
 
2013-02-15 12:14:13 PM  

Fano: Nirvana's was pretty messy


(snort)

Beatles, VH and others have been covered by you farks.  As expected.  Good jorb.
 
2013-02-15 12:43:59 PM  
Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.
 
2013-02-15 12:54:14 PM  

NewbornRook: FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.

This is pretty much why I wish Green Day would just go away. IMO they should've left the band in the nineties where it belonged, because every album since they have come back has essentially been "Hate the Republicans!" "Hate the politics!" "America , why can't you do anything right?!" While I didn't completely hate American Idiot, I was over their propaganda scheme relatively quickly.


Love me some old Green Day, but do yourself a favor and check out their album Warning. It's the album "Minority" came off of, but that song isn't representative of the rest of the album. No real political BS.
 
2013-02-15 01:01:31 PM  
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2013-02-15 01:05:13 PM  

deanis: chrisco123: Smiths, Dead Kennedys and Rush.  Top three.

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge Rush is still touring and making music...

/slap a dee biase mon


Yes, but in Canadian terms, that's a biatch-slapping catfight.
 
2013-02-15 01:05:15 PM  
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2013-02-15 01:16:38 PM  

ten foiled hats: VIEW.  Tend to VIEW.

/it's called preview, asshole.


I was curious to see what you would decide to Black Flag...

/preview is helpful
//haste makes waste
///wtf am I saying?
 
2013-02-15 01:17:11 PM  
In other news, the Andrews Sisters have reunited again after a messy break up.

/runs from thread again
 
2013-02-15 01:18:31 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: FeedTheCollapse: drewogatory: Rage's breakup seems like it was just because the other members of the band weren't as serious about the Che Guevara shirts they were wearing as Zach de la Rocha was.

That band was never going to age well. They were trapped stylistically in a genre that probably already felt pretty ridiculous when you were 23, much less 30.

that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.

Considering that Paul Ryan bragged about being a big fan, your assessment sounds about right. At least half of RATM's fans are douche-bros that bang their heads to the music, but never actually LISTENED to the lyrics. The other half were kids that thought that wearing a Che Guevara shirt made them counter-culture revolutionaries despite not even knowing what Che Guevara actually did.


LOL I like Rage. I don't listen to them much anymore, but I don't turn them off when they come on the radio, either. The reason I am posting however, is that it is painfully obvious that on any given day, at any given time both of you guys feel pretty good about yourselves in general, and likely consider yourselves the smartest guys in the room more often than not.
 
2013-02-15 01:37:19 PM  
Nirvana?
 
2013-02-15 01:44:35 PM  

verbaltoxin: The Mars Volta


this one was a kick in the pants.  loved that band to dear death :(

my own 2 cents on The Police:    i'll take Copeland's writing over Sting's any day.
 
2013-02-15 01:57:25 PM  

MadMonk: hurdboy: djjonze: Ween

^^ Inconsolable for weeks.

How was Ween a messy break up?  I thought Freeman quit because he wanted to fish full time?  That band was around for a long time, they were getting old and I can't imagine he could keep singing in all those different voices much longer without starting to sound old and tired.


They never broke up anyway.

"I can only speak for myself, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as Aaron and I are both alive on this planet, Ween is [sic] still together. We've never broken up. The idea of quitting is just laughable. This isn't something you can quit. This is a life sentence."

/La la la. I can't hear you.
 
2013-02-15 01:59:03 PM  
Thinking back, the list also fails without the Allman Brothers.  Drugs, death, Cher, deceit, and unreconciled jealousies persisting to this day.  Gregg's book touches on some of it.
 
2013-02-15 02:03:31 PM  

Losac: Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.


I'm not metal fan and had never really been exposed to Pantera until I saw them open for Black Sabbath during their reunion tour, but in the torturous half-hour or so that they played Phil Anselmo wins the award as the biggest douchebag I've ever seen in my life. Worse than Noel and Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, or even Morriessy.

The sad part is that the rest of the band was really good.
 
2013-02-15 02:18:50 PM  
Sorry, but this is yet another area where The Beatles set the standard.
 
2013-02-15 02:29:32 PM  
List fails without Creedence Clearwater Revival.
 
2013-02-15 02:33:47 PM  
They forgot the Rolling Stones, oh wait, The Stones are  STILL together after 50 YEARS.  That's right, all the rest of you rock bands are nothing compared to the Rolling Stones.  Nothing I say.
 
2013-02-15 02:35:17 PM  

CarnySaur: The Veruca Salt breakup was pretty messy according to many accounts.


To say the least.

Allegedly there was a love triangle between Nina Gordon, Louise Post, and Dave Grohl. When it all came apart the girls went their separate ways, Post kept the name, and uncorked Resolver, perhaps the most vengeful, hate-filled retaliation album I've ever heard. Dr. Dre could have learned a thing or two about diss records from that one.
 
2013-02-15 02:36:48 PM  
I look at these shiate heads like the Police and the Eagles and CCR and all these bands breaking up when they are still popular and making good music and making a ton of money.  I get to thinking, you know it is POSSIBLE to keep it together and be a band even if there is conflict.  Look at Aerosmith.  Joe Perry and Steven Tyler have a real love/hate thing going on.  But they still can make it work.

The problem with these bands is they become too much narcissists.  They tend to forget that a LOT of people have their livelihood wrapped around the band.
 
2013-02-15 02:37:03 PM  
   
rickythepenguin:  ScouserDuck: I'm pretty sure there is a huge population who hate The Eagles purely because of The Big Lebowski. No, not everyone has to like them, but I have a feeling that it has a similar effect to what the movie Sideways did to Merlot sales.
i've told this story before but, for decades i've hated the eagles. in music threads here, i'd say how much i hate the eagles.  because i do. i farking hate them.
so, people would say, "ok ricky, we get it, 'shut the fark up donny'", or "ok dude, we saw 'big lebowski' too, settle down" and I never got the joke, as i'd never seen TBL.
so it wasn't until about, ohhhh, 2-3 years ago i finally saw Lebowski, and then it all made sense.
bt in point of fact, i farking hate the eagles and always have.  even in high school.  one of my best friends listened to Hotel California before races and I think that's where i developed my hatred of them.  I farking hate the godamn eagles.


I never saw "The Big Lebowski" and was unaware of a Eagles reference so I have to get around to watching that one.
 
2013-02-15 02:40:02 PM  
the Byrds?
 
2013-02-15 02:50:38 PM  
If you were around for the Beatles' breakup, it was the most entertaining thing ever. The constant slagging in the press was amplified by things like Paul's "Too Many People" insulting John, and John's reply "How Do You Sleep." George weighed in with "Sue Me Sue You Blues" and only Ringo seems to have kept his cool.

Second place would be Pink Floyd, especially given the acrimony among the fans who split up into Gilmore camps and Waters camps, and hate each other to this day.
 
2013-02-15 02:51:05 PM  

Tyrosine: Losac: Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.

I'm not metal fan and had never really been exposed to Pantera until I saw them open for Black Sabbath during their reunion tour, but in the torturous half-hour or so that they played Phil Anselmo wins the award as the biggest douchebag I've ever seen in my life. Worse than Noel and Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, or even Morriessy.

The sad part is that the rest of the band was really good.



Well, you had two different Phil's: the smart, sober one who liked to have a laugh and could actually speak well on a variety of worldly subjects and then you had the other Phil- the Phil who liked to get as loaded as possible on booze and pills and say things like "SMOKE HEROIN" and throw out Nazi salutes from the stage. That Phil was a hateful mess of a human being who actual stated at the end of an interview "Dimebag Darrell needs to be severely beaten". He's since attemped to explain that statement, but really- how do you justify saying something like that about a man who, based on 99.99% of accounts, was one of the sweetest, most down-to-earth human beings EVER? Answer- you don't.

It was Phil's fault.
 
2013-02-15 03:01:35 PM  

darch: Tyrosine: Losac: Is Pantera on there? Hell, I think even after Dimebag died, the Abbott family put out standing orders that Phil Anselmo not be allowed at his funeral.

I'm not metal fan and had never really been exposed to Pantera until I saw them open for Black Sabbath during their reunion tour, but in the torturous half-hour or so that they played Phil Anselmo wins the award as the biggest douchebag I've ever seen in my life. Worse than Noel and Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, or even Morriessy.

The sad part is that the rest of the band was really good.


Well, you had two different Phil's: the smart, sober one who liked to have a laugh and could actually speak well on a variety of worldly subjects and then you had the other Phil- the Phil who liked to get as loaded as possible on booze and pills and say things like "SMOKE HEROIN" and throw out Nazi salutes from the stage. That Phil was a hateful mess of a human being who actual stated at the end of an interview "Dimebag Darrell needs to be severely beaten". He's since attemped to explain that statement, but really- how do you justify saying something like that about a man who, based on 99.99% of accounts, was one of the sweetest, most down-to-earth human beings EVER? Answer- you don't.

It was Phil's fault.


This. Phil is a junkie and by all accounts a total asshole. Every anecdote I've ever heard of people who met Dimebag Darrell (from fans, or fellow musicians) was of him being one of the nicest and friendliest people in the business.
 
2013-02-15 03:02:32 PM  
After reading Felder's book, safe to say he'll ever be back in that band.  He had some stuff to say about the others.

I personally can't believe the DLR/VH reunion ever happened.   In Dave's book he states that after one a show, Valerie came to his hotel room looking for him in particular.  Dave says the room party was in full swing, he didnt find her attractive, and he told her to beat it, so she wandered down the hall and found Ed's room, and the rest was history.   It's one thing to talk smack about a guy's wife behind his back, it's another to put in in print.

At the Clash's US Festival show, you can tell Joe has had enough, he is just ticked off the whole time.  Supposedly after the show there was a backstage fight involving Mick and some concert security guys or something, and he just split right afterwards.  Joe and Paul conferred with Bernie Rhodes, and Bernie told them they didnt need Mick anymore, so they called him and told him he was out of the band.
 
2013-02-15 03:11:57 PM  

CrotchBeard: I'd have to vote for the Mamas and the Papas.  After hearing that John and Michelle hadn't talked to each other in years, I wondered "what the heck could've possibly happened to make them loathe each other so?"

Then MacKenzie makes her "I had a decades-long consensual sexual relationship with my father" announcement on Oprah.

Wow.  Yep, that would do it.


MacKenzie is not exactly a reliable witness. What broke that band up was John Phillips love affair with the needle
 
2013-02-15 03:13:07 PM  
Tensions flared all throughout the tour in support of 1979's The Long Run, but they got even worse at a 1980 benefit show for Senator Alan Cranston. Felder didn't want the band involved in political causes, and when the senator's wife visited the band backstage, he said, "Nice to meet you . . . I guess." Those last two words sent Glenn Frey into an uncontrollable rage, and onstage that night, the Eagles were actually threatening each other on mic. "That's three more, pal," Frey said. "Get ready." He was actually counting the number of songs remaining before he administered a backstage beatdown.

Getting violent when people don't agree with your politics? Yep, sounds like a liberal to me.
 
2013-02-15 03:27:00 PM  

Brubold: Tensions flared all throughout the tour in support of 1979's The Long Run, but they got even worse at a 1980 benefit show for Senator Alan Cranston. Felder didn't want the band involved in political causes, and when the senator's wife visited the band backstage, he said, "Nice to meet you . . . I guess." Those last two words sent Glenn Frey into an uncontrollable rage, and onstage that night, the Eagles were actually threatening each other on mic. "That's three more, pal," Frey said. "Get ready." He was actually counting the number of songs remaining before he administered a backstage beatdown.

Getting violent when people don't agree with your politics? Yep, sounds like a liberal to me.


Conservatives tend to believe liberals to be nonviolent, which causes them to say egregiously insulting shiat. It amuses me when they get the smug knocked right off their faces and don't seem to be able to do anything but cry about it.
 
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2013-02-15 03:29:21 PM  

Brubold: Tensions flared all throughout the tour in support of 1979's The Long Run, but they got even worse at a 1980 benefit show for Senator Alan Cranston. Felder didn't want the band involved in political causes, and when the senator's wife visited the band backstage, he said, "Nice to meet you . . . I guess." Those last two words sent Glenn Frey into an uncontrollable rage, and onstage that night, the Eagles were actually threatening each other on mic. "That's three more, pal," Frey said. "Get ready." He was actually counting the number of songs remaining before he administered a backstage beatdown.

Getting violent when people don't agree with your politics? Yep, sounds like a liberal to me.HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 
2013-02-15 03:33:31 PM  
I never pass up a chance to tell this story:
We grew up in Elk Grove Village, IL, just outside of Chicago, and found out just recently that Billy Corgan went to the same elementary school as us. He was a year older than my oldest brother, so I ask him if he knew Billy.
"Not sure, I remember some kid named Billy whose ass I used to kick all the time, but I can't remember his name...you should ask Mom, I was always in trouble cuz of him."
So I ask Mom:
"Yes, I remember him, Billy Corrigan, used to beat your brother up all the time and take his lunch money."

Two things I learned:
1) Billy Corgan was a bully
2) My brother's a liar
 
2013-02-15 03:41:26 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: personally can't believe the DLR/VH reunion ever happened.   In Dave's book he states that after one a show, Valerie came to his hotel room looking for him in particular.  Dave says the room party was in full swing, he didnt find her attractive, and he told her to beat it, so she wandered down the hall and found Ed's room, and the rest was history.   It's one thing to talk smack about a guy's wife behind his back, it's another to put in in print.


I call BS on that one.

1) Roth is one of the biggest BSers of all time.

2) He turned away Valerie Bertinelli in her prime? Yeah, right

3) Valerie wanted to ride on Dave's bone machine? Double "yeah, right"
 
2013-02-15 03:47:03 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: I call BS on that one.

1) Roth is one of the biggest BSers of all time.

2) He turned away Valerie Bertinelli in her prime? Yeah, right

3) Valerie wanted to ride on Dave's bone machine? Double "yeah, right"


I'm not a big Roth fan, but the guy was one of the biggest sex symbols of the 80s...hell, he was connected with Elle MacPherson for a period of time.
And Valerie Bertinelli in her prime was cute, but not hot.
 
2013-02-15 03:49:46 PM  

Usurper4: "Not sure, I remember some kid named Billy whose ass I used to kick all the time, but I can't remember his name...you should ask Mom, I was always in trouble cuz of him."
So I ask Mom:
"Yes, I remember him, Billy Corrigan, used to beat your brother up all the time and take his lunch money."



that's farking funny!

someone else from chicago says.....i forget he specifics, whether he was in a band or knew someone in a band in the late 80s, but the story was either James or Billy really wanted several of the guy's guitars, but he refused to sell.  then one night someone breaks in, steals his guitars...

and lo and freaking behold, the nascent Smashing Pumpkins later started appearing live with those guitars.  much like you saying "my broter's a liar", the guy ended his story with "billy corgan / james iha / the smashing pumpins are thieves!"
 
2013-02-15 04:20:28 PM  

nmiguy: They forgot the Rolling Stones, oh wait, The Stones are  STILL together after 50 YEARS.

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This band you refer to as the "Rolling Stones", I believe you're confusing them  with "The Mick and Keefy Variety Show,  featuring Charlie Watt's Bored Faces and Ronnie Wood's Nightly Struggle to Keep From Nodding Off On Stage".
 
2013-02-15 04:20:49 PM  

LDM90: Fear Factory? Fired guitar player, 5 years later took him back and fired bassist and drummer. Band now only has 2 permanent members.


So much this.
 
2013-02-15 04:36:52 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: FeedTheCollapse: that's pretty much how I feel about RATM. I loved them when I was a teenagers, but I haven't really had an inclination to listen to them in over a decade now. I'm sure the music is still fine (though I think they broke up after reaching an obvious creative dead-end), but the lyrics strike me as a something a stereotypical college-age kid would write when they first become politically-aware. "Music as a Political Revolution" has always struck me as kind of a lame premise that, at best, only really gives you very shallow converts who wouldn't otherwise give a shiat.

Considering that Paul Ryan bragged about being a big fan, your assessment sounds about right. At least half of RATM's fans are douche-bros that bang their heads to the music, but never actually LISTENED to the lyrics. The other half were kids that thought that wearing a Che Guevara shirt made them counter-culture revolutionaries despite not even knowing what Che Guevara actually did.


I will always argue that it's possible to like a band - or consider yourself to be a fan - without necessarily agreeing with the band's message. I really like the Eagles. I'd rank them among my favorite bands without hesitation. I think Henley and Frey are top-notch songwriters, not just the music but the lyrics. Even something modern like "Long Road Out Of Eden" has a quality to it that most modern songwriters (who are constrained to a poppy verse-chorus-verse format) can't match. They're also quite adept at making the voice of the song match the frontman/vocalist; when Joe Walsh is at the helm, you know it's a Joe Walsh song. When Timothy B. Schmit is singing, the tone is markedly different. And in a live show, they're note-perfect.

I don't agree with their political stance. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate their music on its own merits.

I sort of feel the same way about Rage. Their political ideals aren't aligned with my own, and I'm no counterculture warrior. I rarely wear t-shirts, never mind Che t-shirts. But occasionally, after a long day at work, there's no feeling like blasting "Renegades Of Funk" on the ride home.
 
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