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2013-02-14 01:40:57 PM
shut up and take my money!
 
2013-02-14 02:09:01 PM
There is no way in hell anyone could fix the X-Men series. Even as a casual fan of the comics, the shear anger those last three movies instilled in me makes me want to punch a wall.
 
2013-02-14 02:17:02 PM
I know it's cool for you internet folk to hate on X-3, but I liked it.
 
2013-02-14 02:19:16 PM
This movie series is going to have one complicated continuity.
 
2013-02-14 02:28:45 PM
Wow, that was the most gay I've seen in a clip since the Pope resignation story. NTTAWWT, it's appropriate to the X-Men.
 
2013-02-14 02:55:37 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I know it's cool for you internet folk to hate on X-3, but I liked it.


The shred of respect I maintained for you just went out the window.... =(
 
2013-02-14 03:16:12 PM
How does one even start to fix this franchise?
 
2013-02-14 03:18:13 PM

WTF Indeed: There is no way in hell anyone could fix the X-Men series. Even as a casual fan of the comics, the shear anger those last three movies instilled in me makes me want to punch a wall.


2 and First Class were amazing, 1 was decent, & The Last Stand and Wolverine were disappointments.

Singer continuing the sequel to First Class, therefore, can only be a positive.
 
2013-02-14 03:22:42 PM

Big Beef Burrito: How does one even start to fix this franchise?


By doing a story that involves time-travel and alternate realities. You can fix anything whut needs fixin'.
 
2013-02-14 03:24:34 PM

gunga galunga: Big Beef Burrito: How does one even start to fix this franchise?

By doing a story that involves time-travel and alternate realities. You can fix anything whut needs fixin'.


Alternately, he could pretend Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine never happened.  He did it for Superman Returns with the third and fourth Reeve movies...
 
2013-02-14 03:25:23 PM
How about he sends Logan back to re-write Superman Returns?
 
2013-02-14 03:26:41 PM

texdent: This movie series is going to have one complicated continuity.


Yea, it's too bad it couldn't follow the very simple timeline of it's source material.
 
2013-02-14 03:28:35 PM
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Oh hell no!
 
2013-02-14 03:28:38 PM

WTF Indeed: There is no way in hell anyone could fix the X-Men series. Even as a casual fan of the comics, the shear anger those last three movies instilled in me makes me want to punch a wall.


Besides all the death in X3 (like death has ever stopped comic characters from doing stuff), the fact that First Class rewrote much of Mags/Chuck's history (because it was based on actual X-Men #1, right? Not the previous movies?), and the godawful love story crowbarred into Wolverine, what were the major flaws? (None of those is apocalypto-catastrophic, right?)

They're not high cinema, and I wouldn't call any of them my favorite movie, but is there some comics reason why these three are bad?

// liked that they finally got Beast and Angel into the mix
// and Kelsey Grammer as Beast is PERFECT, I don't care who you are
 
2013-02-14 03:31:20 PM
X-3 was WAY better than it should have been, given the extreme rush and budget.  And that Bryan Singer is a shiatty X-Men scribe and Ratner was just using what he had left behind.

Cyclops is the litmus test for an X-scribe.  fark him up and it throws off everything.  Joss got Scott absolutely perfect during his run on Astonishing.  The guys over at Wolervine and the X-Men didn't do to shabby.  Singer made him a boyband member dating a cougar.
 
2013-02-14 03:32:15 PM

Broktun: [static.tvfanatic.com image 500x375]
Oh hell no!


That's Bryan Fuller, not Bryan Singer.

Or is this one of those Fark jokes like pretending as if Anne Frank was the name of the girl who hid in the attic for three years?
 
2013-02-14 03:35:06 PM

gunga galunga: Broktun: [static.tvfanatic.com image 500x375]
Oh hell no!

That's Bryan Fuller, not Bryan Singer.

Or is this one of those Fark jokes like pretending as if Anne Frank was the name of the girl who hid in the attic for three years?


Nope, honest mistake trying to be quick.
 
2013-02-14 03:38:55 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I know it's cool for you internet folk to hate on X-3, but I liked it.


This line sums up the entire movie for me:

Eric Lensherr: In chess, the pawns go first.

Its unnecessary, out of place, and and delivered in a stilted fashion.  Like the entire fark'n movie.
 
2013-02-14 03:39:35 PM
The last 10 minutes was a stupid waste of what could have been nice second film in a trilogy.

Movie should have ended with Prof X and Magneto still on the same team. Magneto would have had Shaws helmet.

Film 2 follows X and Mag slowly drifting to opposite sides of the war, with a first big confrontation between the two sides at the end.

Film 3 would be the big Xmen vs Brotherhood blowout.
 
2013-02-14 03:40:01 PM

Broktun: gunga galunga: Broktun: [static.tvfanatic.com image 500x375]
Oh hell no!

That's Bryan Fuller, not Bryan Singer.

Or is this one of those Fark jokes like pretending as if Anne Frank was the name of the girl who hid in the attic for three years?

Nope, honest mistake trying to be quick.


For what it's worth, Bryan Singer did direct the pilot episode for Bryan Fuller's failed Munsters reboot, Mockingbird Lane.

Shame it didn't get the go ahead. While not an insta-classic like Pushing Daisies was, it showed a bit of potential. Especially Eddie Izzard as Grandpa.
 
2013-02-14 03:40:14 PM

Dr Dreidel: Besides all the death in X3 (like death has ever stopped comic characters from doing stuff), the fact that First Class rewrote much of Mags/Chuck's history (because it was based on actual X-Men #1, right? Not the previous movies?), and the godawful love story crowbarred into Wolverine, what were the major flaws? (None of those is apocalypto-catastrophic, right?)

They're not high cinema, and I wouldn't call any of them my favorite movie, but is there some comics reason why these three are bad?


X-3 killed off everyone of any importance for pathetic and random reasons. Origins just took the ripped up the comics and said "Let have Hugh Jackman with his shirt off and f*ck the rest of it." First Class was "Hey, Mad Men is really hot right now, let's make an X-men like that!"
 
2013-02-14 03:42:58 PM

Dr Dreidel: Besides all the death in X3 (like death has ever stopped comic characters from doing stuff), the fact that First Class rewrote much of Mags/Chuck's history (because it was based on actual X-Men #1, right? Not the previous movies?), and the godawful love story crowbarred into Wolverine, what were the major flaws? (None of those is apocalypto-catastrophic, right?)


I would say beating us to death with the gay overtones could have been toned down. There's allegory and there's beating the audience over the head with a brick.
 
2013-02-14 03:44:27 PM
The only thing I liked about X3 was Beast. Kelsey Grammar nailed it, and it made it bearable. Other than that, I have never watched it again, even on TV.

First Class was better than it should have been, and I am so very, very excited about what this new movie could do for the franchise. If Singer pulls this off and excises X3 from official continuity, then if I ever meet him, I will personally hand him my money.
 
2013-02-14 03:46:49 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I know it's cool for you internet folk to hate on X-3, but I liked it.


It's not "cool" to hate it, we hate it because it sucked royally. Straw the broke the camel's back for me was, "I'm the Juggernaut, biatch!"
 
2013-02-14 03:48:08 PM
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2013-02-14 03:49:47 PM

gunga galunga: Broktun: [static.tvfanatic.com image 500x375]
Oh hell no!

That's Bryan Fuller, not Bryan Singer.

Or is this one of those Fark jokes like pretending as if Anne Frank was the name of the girl who hid in the attic for three years?


That was Helen Keller dummy. Anne Frank was the one who flew her airplane across the Atlantic and punched Hitler in the face, starting WWII.
 
2013-02-14 03:50:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: Besides all the death in X3 (like death has ever stopped comic characters from doing stuff), the fact that First Class rewrote much of Mags/Chuck's history (because it was based on actual X-Men #1, right? Not the previous movies?), and the godawful love story crowbarred into Wolverine, what were the major flaws? (None of those is apocalypto-catastrophic, right?)


How about Magneto acting out of character for pretty much all of X3?
 
2013-02-14 03:53:55 PM

SkylineRecords: Straw the broke the camel's back for me was, "I'm the Juggernaut, biatch!"


I thought that line was one of the film's few redeeming qualities.
 
2013-02-14 03:55:41 PM

WTF Indeed: Dr Dreidel: Besides all the death in X3 (like death has ever stopped comic characters from doing stuff), the fact that First Class rewrote much of Mags/Chuck's history (because it was based on actual X-Men #1, right? Not the previous movies?), and the godawful love story crowbarred into Wolverine, what were the major flaws? (None of those is apocalypto-catastrophic, right?)

They're not high cinema, and I wouldn't call any of them my favorite movie, but is there some comics reason why these three are bad?

X-3 killed off everyone of any importance for pathetic and random reasons. Origins just took the ripped up the comics and said "Let have Hugh Jackman with his shirt off and f*ck the rest of it." First Class was "Hey, Mad Men is really hot right now, let's make an X-men like that!"


Like I asked - when has death ever stopped a comic book character from living a long and eventful life (ESPECIALLY in Marvel-land, where Hell/the "afterlife" is an actual place you can visit)? Apart from Uncle Ben?

Origins was supposed to be Shirtless Logan: The Movie (Will.i.am and the retarded love story made it far more unwatchable than Hugh Jackman's pecs). My beef is that they royally farked up Deadpool. I realize they were still thinking about making "Deadpool's Fifth Wall" at the time, but still - how do you fark up Ryan Reynolds?

And First Class didn't really seem like it belonged in Movie X-Canon. Apart from Jackman, there was no relation to the earlier movies plotwise - also the fact that Cyclops wasn't Cyclops, the Beast wasn't Beast, etc. I sort of figured that was "new canon" to make both a "Classic X-Men" series and a "Badass X-Men" series, and they only decided to fit it with the rest after the fact. It's my least favorite of the newest 3.

Mugato: I would say beating us to death with the gay overtones could have been toned down. There's allegory and there's beating the audience over the head with a brick.


In which film? Was it just Ian being Ian and you read it as gay?

// I thought the whole notion of "mutation" was an allegory for puberty/sexuality anyway
 
2013-02-14 03:57:40 PM

WTF Indeed: There is no way in hell anyone could fix the X-Men series. Even as a casual fan of the comics, the shear anger those last three movies instilled in me makes me want to punch a wall.


That's ok, in the DC universe, that's how you solve continuity problems.

You punch a wall.
 
2013-02-14 03:58:38 PM

Wendy's Chili: SkylineRecords: Straw the broke the camel's back for me was, "I'm the Juggernaut, biatch!"

I thought that line was one of the film's few redeeming qualities.


I thought it was beating a dead horse in a film full of complete schlock. Like, "we know this is a HUGE disappointment, so here's an internet joke."
 
2013-02-14 04:00:18 PM

YodaBlues: gunga galunga: Broktun: [static.tvfanatic.com image 500x375]
Oh hell no!

That's Bryan Fuller, not Bryan Singer.

Or is this one of those Fark jokes like pretending as if Anne Frank was the name of the girl who hid in the attic for three years?

That was Helen Keller dummy. Anne Frank was the one who flew her airplane across the Atlantic and punched Hitler in the face, starting WWII.


Wrong! That was Joan of Arc. Anne Frank is the chick that made those crappy trapper keeper designs that were big in the 90s
 
2013-02-14 04:01:02 PM

WTF Indeed: There is no way in hell anyone could fix the X-Men series. Even as a casual fan of the comics, the shear anger those last three movies instilled in me makes me want to punch a wall.


You are not casual. You can SAY that, but if you feel that way, you are not.
I don't like X-Men 3 so much, I wished Liam Neeson would've left Famke Jensen to die in Taken 2 because I've yet to forgive her.
THAT'S how much I hated it.

/Fix Deadpool.
 
2013-02-14 04:02:29 PM

Dr Dreidel: Mugato: I would say beating us to death with the gay overtones could have been toned down. There's allegory and there's beating the audience over the head with a brick.

In which film? Was it just Ian being Ian and you read it as gay?



Are you serious? The whole plot of "curing" mutants, the kid "coming out" to his parents, the scream of "Mutant Pride!" and culminating in Magneto in his purple helmet crossing the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fransisco. Even some of the writers of the comic said the whole mutant thing was an allegory for homosexuality, which is fine but that movie just beat us over the head with it.
 
2013-02-14 04:03:52 PM

Zombie DJ: WTF Indeed: There is no way in hell anyone could fix the X-Men series. Even as a casual fan of the comics, the shear anger those last three movies instilled in me makes me want to punch a wall.

You are not casual. You can SAY that, but if you feel that way, you are not.
I don't like X-Men 3 so much, I wished Liam Neeson would've left Famke Jensen to die in Taken 2 because I've yet to forgive her.
THAT'S how much I hated it.

/Fix Deadpool.


I didn't hate Origins: Wolverine as much as everyone else, but yeah, what the did to Deadpool was criminal. Not "let's make Galactus a giant fart cloud" criminal, but pretty horrible.
 
2013-02-14 04:11:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: And First Class didn't really seem like it belonged in Movie X-Canon. Apart from Jackman, there was no relation to the earlier movies plotwise - also the fact that Cyclops wasn't Cyclops, the Beast wasn't Beast, etc. I sort of figured that was "new canon" to make both a "Classic X-Men" series and a "Badass X-Men" series, and they only decided to fit it with the rest after the fact. It's my least favorite of the newest 3.


I could be misreading this, but Cyclops wasn't in First Class. Alex Summers, aka Havok, is Scott Summers, aka Cyclops, brother.
 
2013-02-14 04:13:07 PM
A major problem with the last three X-Men is that they are all entertaining.  You can hate the movie for anally raping the story line and the characters but you were still entertained.
 
2013-02-14 04:13:33 PM
The guy who plays Beast, when given the option between being more "fan-boyish"  towards Sir Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman picks Jackman?

GTFO, kid.
 
2013-02-14 04:15:43 PM

YodaBlues: I could be misreading this, but Cyclops wasn't in First Class. Alex Summers, aka Havok, is Scott Summers, aka Cyclops, brother.


I stand corrected. This is why I ask questions in comic threads - I'm into it enough to know the major players, but not enough that I remember/catch stuff like that. Thanks!

Mugato: Are you serious? The whole plot of "curing" mutants, the kid "coming out" to his parents, the scream of "Mutant Pride!" and culminating in Magneto in his purple helmet crossing the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fransisco. Even some of the writers of the comic said the whole mutant thing was an allegory for homosexuality, which is fine but that movie just beat us over the head with it.


Same theme was in X2 when Logan/Rogue/Iceman/Pyro go to Boston (and perhaps is part of super-religious Kurt Wagner's guilt/shame?). It's part-and-parcel of the mutation story-line that mutation is an allegory for sexuality. I didn't get it as strongly from 3 as you did, but I assumed it was just as strong when I saw 1 and 2 as well. Maybe you were more surprised about it?

// another thing - was Pyro's attack on the Boston cops supposed to be the movie version of the events that got us the Civil War?
 
2013-02-14 04:16:28 PM

YodaBlues: Dr Dreidel: And First Class didn't really seem like it belonged in Movie X-Canon. Apart from Jackman, there was no relation to the earlier movies plotwise - also the fact that Cyclops wasn't Cyclops, the Beast wasn't Beast, etc. I sort of figured that was "new canon" to make both a "Classic X-Men" series and a "Badass X-Men" series, and they only decided to fit it with the rest after the fact. It's my least favorite of the newest 3.

I could be misreading this, but Cyclops wasn't in First Class. Alex Summers, aka Havok, is Scott Summers, aka Cyclops, brother.


But I do agree with you in regard to the original movies, Cyclops wasn't Cyclops, he was completely wasted.
 
2013-02-14 04:18:32 PM

Dr Dreidel: I stand corrected. This is why I ask questions in comic threads - I'm into it enough to know the major players, but not enough that I remember/catch stuff like that. Thanks!


No worries brother, wasn't sure if I was misreading it or if it was a typo. But my inner nerd must speak out! :-) Now I must go to another thread, where my inane mental database of comic books can be put to better use.

Useless Knowledge......AWAY!!
 
2013-02-14 04:19:53 PM

Mugato: Dr Dreidel: Mugato: I would say beating us to death with the gay overtones could have been toned down. There's allegory and there's beating the audience over the head with a brick.

In which film? Was it just Ian being Ian and you read it as gay?


Are you serious? The whole plot of "curing" mutants, the kid "coming out" to his parents, the scream of "Mutant Pride!" and culminating in Magneto in his purple helmet crossing the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fransisco. Even some of the writers of the comic said the whole mutant thing was an allegory for homosexuality, which is fine but that movie just beat us over the head with it.


The first two films treated the allegory in a fun way.  The third's handling of the subject matter was just abysmal. 

/Wrote my thesis on the X-Men trilogy.
//Film school, yay!
 
2013-02-14 04:20:51 PM

aedude01: Mugato: Dr Dreidel: Mugato: I would say beating us to death with the gay overtones could have been toned down. There's allegory and there's beating the audience over the head with a brick.

In which film? Was it just Ian being Ian and you read it as gay?


Are you serious? The whole plot of "curing" mutants, the kid "coming out" to his parents, the scream of "Mutant Pride!" and culminating in Magneto in his purple helmet crossing the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fransisco. Even some of the writers of the comic said the whole mutant thing was an allegory for homosexuality, which is fine but that movie just beat us over the head with it.

The first two films treated the allegory in a fun way.  The third's handling of the subject matter was just abysmal. 

/Wrote my thesis on the X-Men trilogy.
//Film school, yay!


So how's business at the Starbucks?

/I keed, I keed.
 
2013-02-14 04:24:00 PM

RoxtarRyan: The guy who plays Beast, when given the option between being more "fan-boyish"  towards Sir Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman picks Jackman?

GTFO, kid.


Seriously.  Does Hugh Jackman have a spaceship? Did Hugh Jackman ever get stabbed through the heart, and laugh about it?  No.

Kids these days.
 
2013-02-14 04:27:25 PM
The X-Men comics haven't been good, interesting, or sensible since the mid 1980s.

Recently,  All New X-Men made me change my mind about that, but everything between the 80s and now has been mostly crap. YES, that includes the incredibly pithy Astonishing X-Men, and all the spin-off X-groups, too.

I was a big fan of The New Mutants (I have the entire Vol. 1 run of the series), and it was at the end, when Liefeld (that bastard) got involved that it turned to crap. Marvel just kept adding more and more mutants, making more groups, pushing more characters on us... It finally got to the point where I'd pick up an X-Men comic and would have to sort through the dozens of mutants and their various sub-plots just to get to the part I cared about: The core group. Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Ice Man, Beast, Colossus, Shadowcat, Angel, and Rogue. THAT'S IT. I don't care about Rachel, I don't care about Psylocke (actually, I hate Psylocke. What a convoluted, stupid character designed solely for adolescent titillation). I don't care about any of the "NEW" X-Men (Anole, Armor, etc.) and I don't care about Jamie Madrox's idiot teams (Strong Guy lost his appeal when he left the cast of The New Mutants, Madrox has always been a joke, Wolfsbane was ruined after she left the New Mutants, Siryn was never interesting, Rictor and all the Liefeld leftovers all sucked in the first place). I don't care about the hundreds of students in the school, either.

When the Scarlet Witch got rid of most of the mutants, I cheered... And then they handled it all wrong. Instead of taking the opportunity to trim the books down, they KEPT EXPANDING and making new teams. They made Cyclops turn into a complete dick. They turned Colossus into the Juggernaut. They added Namor to the X-Men. They never trimmed away the characters that sucked, and they removed the powers from characters that rocked (Danielle Moonstar should never have been de-powered).

And then they went and brought all the mutants back again. So now they're doing another round of introducing new characters-- all teenagers-- and taking focus away from the main group.

But ALL-NEW X-MEN is at least focusing mostly on the core group, and I can appreciate that they're trying to steer that book toward something a bit more simple than the others.

So with all this crap happening in the books, I can say that-- Unlike with Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four-- I absolutely do not care if 20th Century Fox hangs on to the film rights to the X-Men, and they never appear in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In my opinion, not having all the mutants and X-teams in the same universe with the Avengers is a GOOD thing. Let them rot over at Fox. Let Fox tell whatever stupid stories they want with those characters. It's not like anything they make will be any less stupid than the bulk of the X-Men books from 1990 to 2012.

But dammit, I want to see Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four back at Marvel Studios. They're needed to round out the universe. We need a Reed Richards to balance out Bruce and Tony. We need a Peter Parker to keep everyone humble.
 
2013-02-14 04:31:19 PM

SuperChuck: Dr Dreidel: Besides all the death in X3 (like death has ever stopped comic characters from doing stuff), the fact that First Class rewrote much of Mags/Chuck's history (because it was based on actual X-Men #1, right? Not the previous movies?), and the godawful love story crowbarred into Wolverine, what were the major flaws? (None of those is apocalypto-catastrophic, right?)

How about Magneto acting out of character for pretty much all of X3?


"My God.  What have I done?"

Magneto uttering that line was just one of the dozens of things that made me hate X3.
 
2013-02-14 04:40:26 PM
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Who cares what he does, just bring back Rogue just like this!
 
2013-02-14 04:43:11 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I know it's cool for you internet folk to hate on X-3, but I liked it.


I'll take it a step further: It was better than the first one (but certainly not the second). The first X-Men movie is highly overpraised and has not held up very well. For all its flaws -- and I'm not denying it has them -- the third at least has some enjoyable scenes and good characters. The first is just clunky.

Dr Dreidel: // another thing - was Pyro's attack on the Boston cops supposed to be the movie version of the events that got us the Civil War?


The movie pre-dates the Civil War comic stories.
 
2013-02-14 04:45:33 PM

MadCat221: gunga galunga: Big Beef Burrito: How does one even start to fix this franchise?

By doing a story that involves time-travel and alternate realities. You can fix anything whut needs fixin'.

Alternately, he could pretend Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine never happened.  He did it for Superman Returns with the third and fourth Reeve movies...


And the second Reeve movie.  End of Superman 2 - "I'll never leave again, Mr. President."  Start of Superman Returns "Superman left years ago.  And knocked up Lois."

God what a horrible movie.
 
2013-02-14 04:47:22 PM
No Colossus Versus Juggernaut on screen =  Complete and utter failure.
 
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