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(Telegraph)   British schoolboy put in isolation at school for wearing a real tie rather than a clip-on, due to "health and safety reasons"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 118
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2013-02-14 11:51:43 AM  
Something like this is why we should have a "RULE BRITANNIA" tag
 
2013-02-14 11:57:07 AM  
These wimps used to rule the world. Now you can't even wear a real tie to school without being put in isolation.

"TIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"
www.therobotspajamas.com
 
2013-02-14 12:13:05 PM  
I learned during my bar tending years to never wear a real tie

/major health hazard
//especially on Margarita night
///frikkin blender
 
2013-02-14 12:45:19 PM  
Geez, even the government official in TFA said it was an over-reaction.

:P
 
2013-02-14 01:18:20 PM  
Roger Bibbings, occupational safety adviser for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, said schools can make pupils wear clip-on ties, but should not cite health and safety grounds.

I get what he's saying.  But taken out of context it sounds like, "Make them wear the clip on for no good reason!"
 
2013-02-14 01:25:28 PM  
School boy in question?

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-14 01:39:19 PM  
How about no tie at all? And while you are at it, remove the useless buttons on the sleeves of jackets.

/I promise to carry a handkerchief instead.
 
2013-02-14 01:40:00 PM  
i1151.photobucket.com
Isolated from all dat schoolyard buggery? I'd be wearin' a feckin' dress ta school (instead of dis BBC telly studio)!
 
2013-02-14 01:40:28 PM  
Wait, i can't remember if I am supposed to belittle the source and say it is made up BS or relate some random, ridiculous circumstance from the U.S.

\please help!
 
2013-02-14 01:41:27 PM  
Probably wanted to hang himself for having to live there.
 
2013-02-14 01:42:09 PM  
I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.
 
2013-02-14 01:46:17 PM  

Prank Monkey: Wait, i can't remember if I am supposed to belittle the source and say it is made up BS or relate some random, ridiculous circumstance from the U.S.

\please help!


hmm according the fark poster-bot rules, you supposed to do both :D

vote democrat
 
2013-02-14 01:46:39 PM  

Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.


Your boss hated you.
 
2013-02-14 01:49:55 PM  
"If you don't wear yer clip-on tie, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't wear yer tie?"
 
2013-02-14 01:52:02 PM  
Too bad it wasn't a bow tie. Bow ties are cool.
 
2013-02-14 01:54:03 PM  
Or, you know, where a tie pin/tack, bar, or chain.
 
2013-02-14 01:54:47 PM  
He's currently appealing the rule about eating his meat before having pudding.
 
2013-02-14 01:55:16 PM  
Well it's not like he could wear no tie at all! That would be madness, madness I say!
 
2013-02-14 01:56:27 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Too bad it wasn't a bow tie. Bow ties are cool.


*shakes tiny, time-travelling fist*
 
2013-02-14 01:57:41 PM  
I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!
 
2013-02-14 01:58:25 PM  
Somewhere at some time some little kid was left alone (I think there was a story about a kid in the bathroom a couple months ago on fark)  they tripped, slipped or whatever and either strangled themselves to death or were otherwise harmed by their tie-tie.

Immediate response is "no real ties" by the schools.

You will never find a more "please don't sue us" group of people in the world than schools.  Policies are changed on experience of n=1 anywhere in the world.
 
2013-02-14 02:01:07 PM  
Take away their shoelaces too while you're at it.
 
2013-02-14 02:06:36 PM  
What happens when the inevitable clip-on accident occurs?

www.inhabitots.com

/better safe than sorry
 
2013-02-14 02:07:40 PM  
Real mean wear the severed ears of their enemies
 
2013-02-14 02:12:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Real mean wear the severed ears of their enemies

 
2013-02-14 02:12:34 PM  
I actually SAW a dumb-ass get his tie stuck in a paper shredder. It's just like TV, except more hilarious in person.
He also locked himself in the elevator (didn't push any buttons and panicked when the doors closed and nothing happened) and burned his face while trying to smell a hot pizza.

First honest and true dumbass I've ever met in person.
 
2013-02-14 02:13:25 PM  
well, my image 403'd

here's another:
www.dixonsvixens.com
 
2013-02-14 02:14:48 PM  

LOGINGOESHERE


Or, you know, where a tie pin/tack, bar, or chain.


Where tack? There tack.

There castle.
 
2013-02-14 02:15:18 PM  
Not only is this a no-win scenario, they won't even allow for a tie.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:45 PM  

doczoidberg


I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.


A clip-on tie is the sartorial equivalent of the fast-food worker's paper hat. That's why.
 
2013-02-14 02:20:58 PM  

Farce-Side: Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Your boss hated you.


he wore one too.
 
2013-02-14 02:23:42 PM  

Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.


Breakaway ties.  Tie it, mark the back of the neck when it is properly fitted, and then have a tailor cut it apart and sew velcro in so that it can come off with a good tug.

I have a few modified like that for work specifically to prevent another individual from choking me with my own tie.
 
2013-02-14 02:25:19 PM  

Girion47: Farce-Side: Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Your boss hated you.

he wore one too.


Self-hating bosses are the worst.
 
2013-02-14 02:25:37 PM  

The WindowLicker: I have a few modified like that for work specifically to prevent another individual from choking me with my own tie.


Wow, your co-workers REALLY don't like you do they?!
 
2013-02-14 02:26:32 PM  
I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:
agreeordie.com
agreeordie.com
Link

Trinity Knot:
agreeordie.com
agreeordie.com
Link
 
2013-02-14 02:26:45 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: LOGINGOESHERE

Or, you know, where a tie pin/tack, bar, or chain.


Where tack? There tack.

There castle.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-14 02:26:49 PM  

Walker: Now you can't even wear a real tie to school without being put in isolation.


Hey, why don't repeat that completely wrong favourite of your ilk, that guns are banned?!  That's always a good one!
 
2013-02-14 02:26:58 PM  

doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!?


There, FTFY. Ties are absurd and useless anachronisms and should be summarily regaled to the same dustbin that ascots and cummerbunds have landed in. You know - band uniforms, some dress military uniforms, and really, really gay artists.
 
2013-02-14 02:28:18 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: LOGINGOESHERE

Or, you know, where a tie pin/tack, bar, or chain.


Where tack? There tack.

There castle.


Obviously, I meant "wear", not "where".


Gosh, I feel like such an idiot. Especially after the LOL WUT pear I posted. I honestly didn't get what you said at first.
 
2013-02-14 02:28:26 PM  
When we grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children any way they could. By pouring their derision Upon anything we did and exposing every weakness however carefully hidden by the kids
 
2013-02-14 02:28:59 PM  

The WindowLicker: Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Breakaway ties.  Tie it, mark the back of the neck when it is properly fitted, and then have a tailor cut it apart and sew velcro in so that it can come off with a good tug.

I have a few modified like that for work specifically to prevent another individual from choking me with my own tie.


I honestly hope that if that ever comes up in your line of work that you run away as fast as you can pinwheeling your legs screaming "NIGHT LIZAARRRRRD....... AWAYYYYYYYY!"
 
2013-02-14 02:29:18 PM  

doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!


Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).
 
2013-02-14 02:30:31 PM  

Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
Link

Trinity Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
Link


Those knots would only be sported over here by shiny-suited spivs trying to sell you a 911 or a house in Chiswick.  They're foul.  Also, there's no such thing as a Double Windsor.  If people refer to Double Windsors it tells me that they don't really know how to tie a tie.  It's a Windsor or a Half Windsor, nothing else.
 
2013-02-14 02:31:35 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).


The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.
 
2013-02-14 02:32:43 PM  

evilmrsock: The WindowLicker: Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Breakaway ties.  Tie it, mark the back of the neck when it is properly fitted, and then have a tailor cut it apart and sew velcro in so that it can come off with a good tug.

I have a few modified like that for work specifically to prevent another individual from choking me with my own tie.

I honestly hope that if that ever comes up in your line of work that you run away as fast as you can pinwheeling your legs screaming "NIGHT LIZAARRRRRD....... AWAYYYYYYYY!"


There are knots you can tie that will unravel if you pull on them.
 
2013-02-14 02:33:39 PM  

The Envoy: Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
Link

Trinity Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
Link

Those knots would only be sported over here by shiny-suited spivs trying to sell you a 911 or a house in Chiswick.  They're foul.  Also, there's no such thing as a Double Windsor.  If people refer to Double Windsors it tells me that they don't really know how to tie a tie.  It's a Windsor or a Half Windsor, nothing else.


I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool.   If you're going to be such a twit I'll refer you to wiki:"TheWindsor knot, also referred to as aFull Windsor or as aDouble Windsor to distinguish it from theHalf Windsor"
 
2013-02-14 02:33:45 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).



Yup. That just about sums me up.

Now, when's lunch time?
 
2013-02-14 02:33:55 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: LOGINGOESHERE

Or, you know, where a tie pin/tack, bar, or chain.


Where tack? There tack.

There castle.


Why are you talking like that?
 
2013-02-14 02:38:41 PM  

Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:


Link

Trinity Knot:


Link


The Eldredge knot looks cool. The Trinity knot looks like you seriously messed up your knot and said 'fark it, good enough.'
 
2013-02-14 02:39:29 PM  
Clip-ons are for small children that can't sit still. Besides, you have so many more options in patterns and colors with regular ties. It takes a minute at most, even for the most complex knots. It shows an attention to detail that you otherwise would not have with a clip-on.
 
2013-02-14 02:42:11 PM  

Girion47: I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool. If you're going to be such a twit I'll refer you to wiki:"TheWindsor knot, also referred to as aFull Windsor or as aDouble Windsor to distinguish it from theHalf Windsor"


No, you wore a Windsor Knot.  End of.  The nomenclature "Double Windsor", which you have helpfully provided a citation for, was so the moronic could distinguish between the Windsor and the Half Windsor which are the actual names of the tie knot.  If being right means being a twit then I absolutely am one.  Would that make you a twat?

Also, if we're going to do the anecdotal crap, I wore them all throughout school and still do every day for work which trumps your (apparently meagre) stint of secondary education by a couple of decades, having been instructed by high-ranking naval officers (the Royal Navy having a long tradition of wearing Windsor Knots which I believe they still do) in the family on how to tie one and what it is called.
 
2013-02-14 02:43:13 PM  

Girion47: The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.


True story: Nobody ever taught me how to tie a tie, I just did what "seemed right". Turned out I replicated the double windsor.
 
2013-02-14 02:43:53 PM  

Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.


i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.
 
2013-02-14 02:46:43 PM  

The Envoy: Girion47: I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool. If you're going to be such a twit I'll refer you to wiki:"TheWindsor knot, also referred to as aFull Windsor or as aDouble Windsor to distinguish it from theHalf Windsor"

No, you wore a Windsor Knot.  End of.  The nomenclature "Double Windsor", which you have helpfully provided a citation for, was so the moronic could distinguish between the Windsor and the Half Windsor which are the actual names of the tie knot.  If being right means being a twit then I absolutely am one.  Would that make you a twat?


English is a language that learns from its speakers. Pretty much everyone calls it a Double Windsor - and if people understand it as such, that's what it is.

People who insist on "proper" English, disregarding actual usage, are generally compensating for insecurities. AKA twats.
 
2013-02-14 02:47:27 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.

i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.


Tip should be just at the buckle, or where it would be...

Do you not buy extra long ties?
 
2013-02-14 02:52:41 PM  

The Envoy: Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
Link

Trinity Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
Link

Those knots would only be sported over here by shiny-suited spivs trying to sell you a 911 or a house in Chiswick.  They're foul.  Also, there's no such thing as a Double Windsor.  If people refer to Double Windsors it tells me that they don't really know how to tie a tie.  It's a Windsor or a Half Windsor, nothing else.


What about the Half Nelson?
 
2013-02-14 02:54:02 PM  
Well, she did suggest he put one on.
cdn2.hark.com
/blucher
 
2013-02-14 02:54:36 PM  
Holy shiat, is Fark having a "how to tie a tie" debate?  Have fun with that fellas, I'm going to post more sexy pics of ladies in other threads.
 
2013-02-14 02:55:25 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves


What about the Half Nelson?


HA!

www.brandsoftheworld.com


pic is borrowed
 
2013-02-14 02:56:56 PM  

Enigmamf: English is a language that learns from its speakers. Pretty much everyone calls it a Double Windsor - and if people understand it as such, that's what it is.

People who insist on "proper" English, disregarding actual usage, are generally compensating for insecurities. AKA twats.


I don't disagree.  It's not relevant here but you've obviously got an axe to grind on the subject, so have it it my colonial chum.  I'm not insisting on proper "English" as the words aren't wrong unlike, say, "colour" it's merely the wrong name for something.  That there are plenty who are ignorant does not make it correct.  "Pretty much everyone"?  Where?  Your limited circle of friends?  Well, that's settled it then!  All 8 people you know call it a Double Windsor, that must be right!  Whatever you say.  Personally, I'm going to go with the definition provided by your compatriot, a definition that all of the armed services of the UK also abide by and which has been widely accepted by such for more than half a century.
 
2013-02-14 02:57:48 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: What about the Half Nelson?


Meh, not Gosling's finest but better than that tripe "The Notebook".
 
2013-02-14 02:59:05 PM  

The Envoy: Girion47: I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool. If you're going to be such a twit I'll refer you to wiki:"TheWindsor knot, also referred to as aFull Windsor or as aDouble Windsor to distinguish it from theHalf Windsor"

No, you wore a Windsor Knot.  End of.  The nomenclature "Double Windsor", which you have helpfully provided a citation for, was so the moronic could distinguish between the Windsor and the Half Windsor which are the actual names of the tie knot.  If being right means being a twit then I absolutely am one.  Would that make you a twat?

Also, if we're going to do the anecdotal crap, I wore them all throughout school and still do every day for work which trumps your (apparently meagre) stint of secondary education by a couple of decades, having been instructed by high-ranking naval officers (the Royal Navy having a long tradition of wearing Windsor Knots which I believe they still do) in the family on how to tie one and what it is called.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-14 03:03:16 PM  

Enigmamf: The Envoy: Girion47: I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool. If you're going to be such a twit I'll refer you to wiki:"TheWindsor knot, also referred to as aFull Windsor or as aDouble Windsor to distinguish it from theHalf Windsor"

No, you wore a Windsor Knot.  End of.  The nomenclature "Double Windsor", which you have helpfully provided a citation for, was so the moronic could distinguish between the Windsor and the Half Windsor which are the actual names of the tie knot.  If being right means being a twit then I absolutely am one.  Would that make you a twat?

English is a language that learns from its speakers. Pretty much everyone calls it a Double Windsor - and if people understand it as such, that's what it is.

People who insist on "proper" English, disregarding actual usage, are generally compensating for insecurities. AKA twats.


I always called it a full Windsor...so...
 
2013-02-14 03:06:04 PM  
Years ago I worked with very high speed band printers in an IBM computer room.  Those farkers were dangerous and I refused to wear a real tie, despite company policy that banned clip-ons (and required you to wear a tie).  Yeah, they were anal retentative about that, but I stood my ground.  It was a temp job, anyway, and I wasn't about to risk stranglation for that (or any) job.
 
2013-02-14 03:12:19 PM  

doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!


Clip on ties are for little kids and idiot dinks. Learn how to tie a knot, then buy some decent ties for god's sake.
 
2013-02-14 03:15:28 PM  

Girion47: I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool.


No, that was a Double SECRET Windsor.
barfblog.com
/a double windsor happens at buckingham palace and involves a horse, a riding crop and the crown jewels
 
2013-02-14 03:23:41 PM  
How is wearing a clip on ever acceptable.
Went to a black tie dinner recently in a dinner suit wearing a real bow tie I taught myself to do.

My buddy turned up with a clip on and a self tie, when the evening got on he switched so he could get the undone look, shamefull
 
2013-02-14 03:29:41 PM  

barnacleboy: How is wearing a clip on ever acceptable.
Went to a black tie dinner recently in a dinner suit wearing a real bow tie I taught myself to do.

My buddy turned up with a clip on and a self tie, when the evening got on he switched so he could get the undone look, shamefull


It's not even like tying a bow is that hard...

Does your buddy still wear velcro snap shoes?
 
2013-02-14 03:30:11 PM  
Wow, no zip up ties?
 
2013-02-14 03:31:42 PM  

Prank Monkey: Wait, i can't remember if I am supposed to belittle the source and say it is made up BS or relate some random, ridiculous circumstance from the U.S.

\please help!


You could start by noting that the source is neither the Sun nor the Daily Mail but in fact an actual news outlet... and then move on to weeping for the fact this story is being covered by a news outlet instead of a tabloid.
 
2013-02-14 03:33:37 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.

i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.


Why bother with a belt anyway? Ruins the look of a suit.

Get your tailor to put side adjusters in, more comfortable too.
 
2013-02-14 03:35:27 PM  

LOGINGOESHERE: barnacleboy: How is wearing a clip on ever acceptable.
Went to a black tie dinner recently in a dinner suit wearing a real bow tie I taught myself to do.

My buddy turned up with a clip on and a self tie, when the evening got on he switched so he could get the undone look, shamefull

It's not even like tying a bow is that hard...

Does your buddy still wear velcro snap shoes?


It took me about 5 minutes to learn the first time so no not hard.

No velcro but no laces either! Think he wears slip ons at the moment although he has got good taste in suits.
 
2013-02-14 03:35:33 PM  

barnacleboy: The_Original_Roxtar: Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.

i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.

Why bother with a belt anyway? Ruins the look of a suit.

Get your tailor to put side adjusters in, more comfortable too.


But matching your belt to your shoes can be important, especially if you're going for some contrast between the jacket and the pants.   or the shirt and the pants.
 
2013-02-14 03:40:12 PM  

Girion47: barnacleboy: The_Original_Roxtar: Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.

i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.

Why bother with a belt anyway? Ruins the look of a suit.

Get your tailor to put side adjusters in, more comfortable too.

But matching your belt to your shoes can be important, especially if you're going for some contrast between the jacket and the pants.   or the shirt and the pants.


do you mean if you were to say wear stone chinos with a blue jacket?
Then sure a belt looks good, I meant more woth business formal matching suit and plain shirt.
 
2013-02-14 03:40:38 PM  
Well, fine. Fashion Nazis.

But can we at least agree that tuxedo t-shirts are OK in professional and formal situations?
 
2013-02-14 03:41:42 PM  

doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!


this has to be a troll, but I'll bite.

We had a guy come in for an interview once with a clip on tie. As soon as he left, we spent a good hour or so laughing. Then we spread the news around the office... no one believed us.

Clip on ties are for children. Would you hire someone who came into an interview in their Batman onesie? -Because a clip on tie is about half a step above that.

/stay classy
 
2013-02-14 03:41:54 PM  

Girion47: barnacleboy: The_Original_Roxtar: Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.

i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.

Why bother with a belt anyway? Ruins the look of a suit.

Get your tailor to put side adjusters in, more comfortable too.

But matching your belt to your shoes can be important, especially if you're going for some contrast between the jacket and the pants.   or the shirt and the pants.



No, you wear suspenders (braces). Much more comfortable. I'm wearing them as I type this. Plus you can do that fat man thing where you stand up, pull them forward with your thumbs, and let them fly back.

Belt should match shoes, unless suspenders, in which case it doesn't matter, because you shouldn't be able to see suspenders. Traditionally, you would wear a vest (waistcoat) over your suspenders. You would be able to remove your jacket and still not see the suspenders.

No idea what you mean by contrast between jacket and pants... a suit, they are the same fabric, so they'll match. A sport coat, yes, that's the point.

/enjoys being dapper
 
2013-02-14 03:45:46 PM  
Japanese School Uniform
www.asianpopcorn.com

British School Uniform
www.freewebs.com

American School Uniform
www.occidentaldissent.com
 
2013-02-14 03:46:15 PM  

Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties


Thank you for sharing these.  I'm really looking forward to trying them both.  I've been wearing bow ties for the last few months, mostly because my 3-year-old daughter LOVES them on me, but I do like the reactions I get.
 
2013-02-14 03:46:49 PM  

LOGINGOESHERE: Girion47: barnacleboy: The_Original_Roxtar: Girion47: The_Original_Roxtar: doczoidberg: I prefer clip on ties.

Sadly, things are the opposite here in the US. Here, if you wear a clip on, people look down on it, for some brainless reason.

I mean, honestly. Why would I want to screw around trying to tie a piece of cloth around my neck in a specific way??? Just clip that sucker on and be done with it!

Clothes say a lot about a person. a clip-on tie says "I'm going to do the minimum that is required"
tying a tie takes less than a minute and allows you to have your tie the proper length (widest part hits the level of the top of your belt).

The point of your tie should hit your belt buckle.  Any lower and your smaller end won't fit into the holder on the back of the front segment.

i'm tall, so the narrow end rarely hits the loop (I wear a carbon fiber and aluminum tie clip much of the time to keep it reined in). Really, the center of the belt buckle is your target for the tip (give or take a half inch). in any case, the "1 length fits all" clip-on doesn't allow for any adjustment.

Why bother with a belt anyway? Ruins the look of a suit.

Get your tailor to put side adjusters in, more comfortable too.

But matching your belt to your shoes can be important, especially if you're going for some contrast between the jacket and the pants.   or the shirt and the pants.


No, you wear suspenders (braces). Much more comfortable. I'm wearing them as I type this. Plus you can do that fat man thing where you stand up, pull them forward with your thumbs, and let them fly back.

Belt should match shoes, unless suspenders, in which case it doesn't matter, because you shouldn't be able to see suspenders. Traditionally, you would wear a vest (waistcoat) over your suspenders. You would be able to remove your jacket and still not see the suspenders.

No idea what you mean by contrast between jacket and pants... a suit, they are the same fabric, so they'll match. A sport coat, yes, that's the point.

/enjoys being dapper


Ah I tried braces but unfortunately am too thin for them and have an abnormally long back! Caused quite a bit of pain so cant wear them
However belts suffocate me and dont enjoy them, prefer the look without, just seems sharper.

Shoes are so important tho, I see some awful ones day to day, makes me sick
 
2013-02-14 03:56:46 PM  
 
2013-02-14 04:07:47 PM  

Enigmamf: The Envoy: Girion47: I wore a Double Windsor every day for highschool. If you're going to be such a twit I'll refer you to wiki:"TheWindsor knot, also referred to as aFull Windsor or as aDouble Windsor to distinguish it from theHalf Windsor"

No, you wore a Windsor Knot.  End of.  The nomenclature "Double Windsor", which you have helpfully provided a citation for, was so the moronic could distinguish between the Windsor and the Half Windsor which are the actual names of the tie knot.  If being right means being a twit then I absolutely am one.  Would that make you a twat?

English is a language that learns from its speakers. Pretty much everyone calls it a Double Windsor - and if people understand it as such, that's what it is.

People who insist on "proper" English, disregarding actual usage, are generally compensating for insecurities. AKA twats.


Irregardless, I can't in good conscious use literally every word ever correctly. You're misunderestimating the language by doing it that way.
 
2013-02-14 04:11:36 PM  

Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.


Turn your ties into velcro ties that won't strangle you in an emergency.
If you alter regular store bought ties, no one should be able to tell the difference.

i470.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-14 04:14:21 PM  

penthesilea: Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Turn your ties into velcro ties that won't strangle you in an emergency.
If you alter regular store bought ties, no one should be able to tell the difference.

[i470.photobucket.com image 400x385]


Keeping your ties tied like that all the time is a good way to ruin them quickly.
 
BHK
2013-02-14 04:18:55 PM  
"People have worn them for generations, and if you are not wearing one during secondary school then you are never going to learn the necessary skills for when you go into the world of work."

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? The kid has bought into it. It's hard to feel sorry for him.
 
2013-02-14 04:20:55 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: LOGINGOESHERE

Or, you know, where a tie pin/tack, bar, or chain.


Where tack? There tack.

There castle.


SEDA-GIVE!!!
 
2013-02-14 04:25:44 PM  
Tommy: It's a clip on
Richard: Are you sure?
 
2013-02-14 04:31:59 PM  
I wear a tie because it makes other people feel safer thinking they can easily strangle me to death if they have to.

/and I have a CCW license to ensure they actually can't
//people shouldn't assume you have the right to murder anyone you see, even if they are hideously ugly
///but I've learned some do assume it anyway
 
2013-02-14 04:38:03 PM  
Liberals are funny
 
2013-02-14 04:50:19 PM  
This sounds like some little jumped-up jobsworth, give-me-a-little-power-and-I'll-turn-into-Hitler, petty-fark little bureaucrat being a dick...
 
2013-02-14 04:54:35 PM  
Tatterdemalian: I wear a tie because it makes other people feel safer thinking they can easily strangle me to death if they have to.

/and I have a CCW license to ensure they actually can't
//people shouldn't assume you have the right to murder anyone you see, even if they are hideously ugly
///but I've learned some do assume it anyway

The people who instructed me to get breakaway ties carry concealed for a living.  They are not mallninja type people...  It is actually very difficult to do draw/retention drills from under a suit, when an individuals opening moves involve cutting off your air supply with the noose around your neck.
 
2013-02-14 05:11:15 PM  
Suits and ties used to present an appearance of class and respectability.

Today they present an appearance of someone trying to take advantage of people who never figured out that anyone can buy a suit and tie.
 
2013-02-14 05:14:27 PM  

JesseL: Suits and ties used to present an appearance of class and respectability.

Today they present an appearance of someone trying to take advantage of people who never figured out that anyone can buy a suit and tie.


The new solution to that is a clipboard, with one of those you can get anywhere.
 
2013-02-14 05:24:59 PM  
Many years ago I worked in the liquor department of a large drugstore chain & the day they hired me they told me to wear clip-on ties,not regular one,because the drunks would try to pull it off.
 
2013-02-14 05:25:56 PM  

Girion47: JesseL: Suits and ties used to present an appearance of class and respectability.

Today they present an appearance of someone trying to take advantage of people who never figured out that anyone can buy a suit and tie.

The new solution to that is a clipboard, with one of those you can get anywhere.


www.labwear.com

Not a lot of questions when you walk around, but wait until someone gets injured.

I should pick up a lab coat. Nothing says "I know what I'm doing" like a lab coat.

www.staruniforms.com
 
2013-02-14 05:26:33 PM  

doczoidberg: Well, fine. Fashion Nazis.

But can we at least agree that tuxedo t-shirts are OK in professional and formal situations?


I'm prepared to put that in writing.
 
2013-02-14 05:47:34 PM  

cman: Something like this is why we should have a "RULE BRITANNIA" tag


I've long used, "RUE, BRITANNIA!"
 
2013-02-14 05:48:14 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: cman: Something like this is why we should have a "RULE BRITANNIA" tag

I've long used, "RUE, BRITANNIA!"


Ha!

Better than mine
 
2013-02-14 05:48:42 PM  

Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
[agreeordie.com image 554x554]
Link

Trinity Knot:
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
[agreeordie.com image 612x612]
Link


That shiat tells me you're a Japanese bondage freak.
 
2013-02-14 06:05:16 PM  
Roger Bibbings, occupational safety adviser for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, said schools can make pupils wear clip-on ties, but should not cite health and safety grounds.

You'd think an agency that's charged with enforcing health and safety rules would be able to fine people for making up spurious health and safety rules. As in no you can't be a dick on our nickel. Actually serious.
 
2013-02-14 06:06:27 PM  

Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:


Link

Trinity Knot:


Link


Those are cool.
Is there a guide to tyeing(??) Them like that?
 
2013-02-14 06:28:54 PM  

DownDaRiver: Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

Eldredge Knot:


Link

Trinity Knot:


Link

Those are cool.
Is there a guide to tyeing(??) Them like that?


Look under the pics.
 
2013-02-14 06:47:39 PM  
Britain = Progressives idea of what a properly run state should be.

In other words, institutionalized madness

/coming to a USA near you
 
2013-02-14 06:51:17 PM  
You know how I can tell that Subby is not a British Public School Old Boy? Because he apparent thinks that putting a boy in protective custody for wearing a real choker instead of a pull-off fake is silly Nanny-Statism rather than a prudent measure meant to save his life when the other boys find out he's wearing a noose.

School is where Alpha British sado-masochists turn wimpy boys and girls into Beta British sado-masochists. Most English people do not have fond memories of school, and they loathe the name of Charles Darwin for that reason.

In psychiatric circles they have a word for "fond memories of school". They are called "cover memories".

At least that is what I gather from reading dozens, hundreds of books on the British class system.

School boys and girls who don't hang together, hang separately.

I hate clip-on ties but I never tie my scarf in a knot because I remember what happened to Isadora Duncan.

Better rope-burn on the neck, than a fashionable death by garroting. IIRC, that's a family motto. Whose family, I'm not sure.

I learned something from the Great Garroting Panic of 1862.
 
2013-02-14 07:02:47 PM  

Snarfangel: How about no tie at all? And while you are at it, remove the useless buttons on the sleeves of jackets.


On good jackets there will be two button options, so you can adjust the fit.  It also lets you unbutton them to roll your sleeves up.  (It's also really useful if your hand is ever in a cast).

Ties though, they are just a fashion thing.  You either like them or you don't.  I've got a nice gray one with Snoopy on it and a black one for formal.  I where them maybe once a year.  I'm not a tie fan, but to each their own.  I'd be very frustrated at a job where I was required to wear one.
 
2013-02-14 07:20:54 PM  
Can you ladies confirm or deny:
Every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man
 
2013-02-14 07:33:19 PM  

LOGINGOESHERE: Tip should be just at the buckle, or where it would be...

Do you not buy extra long ties?


My length woes (that what she said) are dependent on the knot. With a windsor knot (my preferred knot) the narrow end will always be on the short side. I don't have the same issue with a half windsor or four-in-hand, but four-in-hand seems lazy and lacks symmetry, and half windsor just seems awkward to me. The problem with extra long ties is that the selection is often quite limited. 2 massive tables of normal length ties in every color imaginable, 1 small rack of extra long ties.
 
2013-02-14 07:41:34 PM  
WTF? you would think he would be applauded for wearing the real thing.
 
2013-02-14 07:44:04 PM  
Ties are a health hazard only to people who actually do real work, not to cubical dwellers who risk damaging fingernails on their keyboards or drinking tepid coffee
 
2013-02-14 08:01:54 PM  
It's all how you were brought up.
American, private boarding school, jacket-and-tie uniform.
Breakfast at 8:00. Demerits for being late. Wake up at 7:52, throw clothes on, fly down flights of stairs while tying tie.
7:59:55 in the dining hall. SAVED!
That's how you learn to tie a tie and you never forget it.  Muscle memory.
Father called what I assume you mean by "half Windsor" or "single Windsor", a "Four-in-hand" knot. He was young in the horse and buggy age, but I don't know what driving a four horse carriage has to do with a necktie.There are just some terms you don't question when you're young.
I graduated from the fast four-in-hand ass-saver, to the symmetrical Windsor. It requires the next level of manual dexterity.
I have never worked at a job that requires a tie,(so much for private education) but I still like to wear one when the occasion calls for it. If I wear a jacket, I wear a tie, but I admit my sartorial imagination is limited.
I understand why many men who haven't worn them seem to resent them. But we learn to do a lot of things growing up that we don't necessarily like. Clip-ons should be packed away with your elementary school report cards.
No tie at all is better than wearing a clip-on, as long as the rest of the outfit fits the statement. Consult your nearest well-dressed Italian.
The wide part of the tie should reach the vicinity of the belt buckle, unless you want to look like Oliver Hardy.
 Reverse snobbishness about not wearing a tie only subtracts from ones character.
If reaching over the buffet table or any moving machinery, tuck the tie in between the buttons of your shirt.
Finally, why am I tying a tie? Shouldn't the letters be the the other way round?
 
2013-02-14 08:23:11 PM  

HoratioGates: Snarfangel: How about no tie at all? And while you are at it, remove the useless buttons on the sleeves of jackets.

On good jackets there will be two button options, so you can adjust the fit.  It also lets you unbutton them to roll your sleeves up.  (It's also really useful if your hand is ever in a cast).

Ties though, they are just a fashion thing.  You either like them or you don't.  I've got a nice gray one with Snoopy on it and a black one for formal.  I where them maybe once a year.  I'm not a tie fan, but to each their own.  I'd be very frustrated at a job where I was required to wear one.


ESB, we've got another one.
 
2013-02-14 08:37:18 PM  
3 pages and no reference to the columbian necktie?
 
2013-02-14 08:42:03 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-14 08:54:52 PM  
His knot looks terrible. If he wants a real tie should learn to tie them properly.
 
2013-02-14 09:03:27 PM  
That's juzt ridiculous. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
 
2013-02-14 11:46:14 PM  

penthesilea: Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Turn your ties into velcro ties that won't strangle you in an emergency.
If you alter regular store bought ties, no one should be able to tell the difference.

[i470.photobucket.com image 400x385]


Wow, I'd never heard of that before. And if you don't want to ruin a nice tie, you can apparently Google "velcro tie" and buy one online. I'm just wondering why they haven't surpassed the popularity of clip-on ties. Some of them don't look half bad.
 
2013-02-15 04:00:09 AM  

The Envoy: The WindowLicker: I have a few modified like that for work specifically to prevent another individual from choking me with my own tie.

Wow, your co-workers REALLY don't like you do they?!


I'm baffled that the menfolk at my place of work wear real ties.  Whilst we work in an office, it's the kind of office where the clientèle may try and harm you.  Wearing a handy noose seems like a really bad idea.

Women are told to wear flats and remove scarves to meet clients, so why on earth aren't the men told to either remove their tie altogether, or change it to a clip-on?  They don't have any more chance against the massive murderous gang member than the ladies.
 
2013-02-15 09:42:39 AM  
 
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