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(Gawker)   Apparently some people question how a fire could burn a human body beyond recognition while leaving a perfectly intact drivers license handily available. Fark: The third copy of the license found in a week   (gawker.com) divider line 281
    More: Unlikely, Christopher Dorner, diplomatic recognition, Lindbergh Field, conspiracy theorists  
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2013-02-14 06:36:59 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I think that they burned him on purpose. Also that at least one of the cop fatalities will prove to be blue on blue.


No way they'll ever admit to the last one.
 
2013-02-14 06:44:07 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Bontesla:
Well, there was that account that says Dorner tried to exit through the back but was pushed back in.

At this point I've seen three different stories on various media outlets:

1. He tried to run out the door and was pushed back in, no one was hurt.
2a. Same as 1, but he killed one LEO.
2b. Same as 2, but he killed one LEO and injured another one.
3.  He never tried to come out.


What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?
 
2013-02-14 06:48:26 PM  

tiamet4: PsiChick: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.


The LAPD is an American police force. It is supposed to stand for justice. The second one of their own died, they started on a vengeance rampage to prove a point to 'cop-killers'. Never mind that people die every day and they sometimes give no farks at all; this time they were willing to terrorize civilians, attach their name to borderline-racism,  SHOOT AT FARKING CIVILIANS, and finally kill Dorner in what is usually known as the most painful death possible.

Spontaneous combustion does not exist. Either bears have learned to use matches, or the LAPD knew they ran the risk of basically torturing a human being to death in the name of vengeance and pride. That is wrong. Dorner's crimes should have been punished, but what the LAPD has done is an affront to everything America should stand for.

Maybe you should spend less time worrying about a dead man and more worrying about the people you're absolving of fairly unforgiveable sins. The people shot at in Dorner's name by the LAPD would thank you.

You expressed my entire thoughts on this case.  Everyone I know is either shouting "yeah! go cop killer!" or "Boo!  He deserved whatever he got" or simply ignoring the whole thing.  The issue is not whether he was a good or bad person but what we are willing to tolerate from the people who are supposed to be protecting us.  Dorner was mentally disturbed and should have been apprehended, tried, and punished but the behavior the LAPD displayed throughout this debacle is frankly terrifying.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ third
 
2013-02-14 06:51:04 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: mongbiohazard: the money is in the banana stand: I am not defending their actions, just the challenging the blanket statement. I am curious to know how they knew there weren't any other people (or even animals) in the house before they ignited it.


They shot 6 innocent people while looking for him, several of which couldn't have been confused for him in a dark alley by a blind man wearing headphones (seriously, a blonde guy? TWO latin women - one 50 something and the other 70 something?). It's blatantly obvious they just didn't CARE if anyone else was in there.

Dorner was a villain, but the LAPD is actually the worse villain in all of this. Dorner is dead and gone. The LAPD still gets to murder and attempt to murder people with almost complete impugnity. Their actions were reckless and inexcusable and implicates the entire force as a bunch of corrupt, incompetent fools who desperately need to be held accountable.

I agree with what you are saying. Again, I am not defending the actions of the LAPD. I was challenging the blanket statement that under no circumstance should police "be judge jury and executioner" which in the context, meant using deadly force and killing perpetrators. The general consensus is that the police should apprehend suspects irregardless of the harm they pose to them, or others, and go through the court system. With regard to this case in particular, IF Dorner fired upon the cops without being first shot at, and IF the LAPD was absolutely sure that no other individuals (or pets) were inside the cabin, I don't have an issue with them smoking him out. If he walked outside guns blazing as a result, I don't care if the cops cut him down either. I don't understand how completely burning the cabin to the ground however was the best solution as whoever owned the property now has lost that and everything inside.



You and I apparently do not disagree. I have absoluetly zero problem with police who shoot someone who is shooting at them. Now if they have him trapped somewhere, burning the place down is a totally different story... If he's surrounded in there though, then things are different. They can wait for him to surrender, wait for him to come out shooting and cut him down or if he's firing from a defensive position inside the structure let the snipers cut him down.

But burning someone's cabin down - risking a forest fire - is NOT what I expect from a lawful and legitimate police force in our country. But even that isn't the most outrageous part of the story. IMHO the outrageous part is the behavior of the police during the manhunt.


4tehsnowflakes: The taste of Mongb's outrage is as sweet as the polish would be bitter. But no matter how solid your other qualifications may be, election to an executive office in a larger town or city without being endorsed by at least some of the jurisdiction's leading LEO's is difficult.  Frequently the winning candidate for mayor or top county official is an insider in part because that police/prosecutor endorsement is so important, one reason why the most successful prosecutors are often able to use that office as a step into elective office.  Defenders of this situation would say it makes sense because the executive is nominally in charge of enforcing the criminal laws.

/education by accident



No disagreement here either. It's sad though. I can't believe that there isn't much more outrage over the behavior of the LAPD in this whole debacle. EVERYONE - including the police - needs a check on their power and the greater the power the greater the need for the check. If they do not have one then we are guaranteeing that they will abuse their power. Police, firefighters, senators, clergy, soldiers, chefs, baggage handlers..... we're all human beings and all of us are subject to corruption and temptation. People are disappointed by their heroes because we forget that they are human and imperfect, just like us.

Since 9/11 police have been lionized to such a ridiculous degree that real oversight or accountability of almost any kind seems to have all but vanished. I'm sure the trend started even earlier than that, with the "War on Drugs", in addition to the part of human nature where some significant percentage of us happily submit to those who claim to have authority over us without question.
 
2013-02-14 06:55:48 PM  

Nebulious: [i25.photobucket.com image 428x244]

Looks legit to me.


Oh sweet hell...thank you for the laugh. I needed that.
 
2013-02-14 06:58:12 PM  

earthworm2.0: How much evidence do they have that he was the one who killed the daughter and her boyfriend? I mean, he was obviously a suspect, but did he take pictures witht he dead bodies and post them on facebook, or is everyone jsut assuming it was him because of the manifesto?


because LAPD said so.

there were security cameras everywhere around those million dollar condominiums. but we only get security footage from a hotel in late January.
 
2013-02-14 07:00:29 PM  

the ha ha guy: PsiChick: No, I believe they should be rational enough to realize they were dealing with someone who was psychologically capable of being forced into surrender, and their job is to take any reasonable measure to get that surrender, not  throw a farking bomb in the house. And as far as suicide by cop being 'justice', dear lord, please stay the fark away from anyone who's mentally ill.


According to a claim by CNN, a U.S. Marshall spokesman told them that Dorner did try to leave, but he was pushed back inside...

Forty minutes later that same U.S. Marshal said that authorities are "not sure" if he ever came out.

(Scroll to the 8:34 and 9:14 PM updates)
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex -l apd-officer-dorner-sighted/

They didn't want a surrender, they didn't want him to have a chance to be punished in accordance with the law, they wanted him to suffer and die at their hands.


I remember hearing about that, which is why I mentioned it earlier.  So now they backtracked?  This country is going to the dogs.
 
2013-02-14 07:01:29 PM  
He was supposed to have been fired in 2008 yet somehow managed to keep his LAPD badge to conveniently throw in a bin last week?   Shenanigans.  If the LAPD have that kind of internal security I think the beatings will not only continue but you have a lot more to worry about than you thought you had.

There's much more to this than meets the eye and LAPD are trying to avoid whatever it is coming out.

I REALLY like the tunnel under the cabin idea...
 
2013-02-14 07:29:06 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: tiamet4: PsiChick: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.

The LAPD is an American police force. It is supposed to stand for justice. The second one of their own died, they started on a vengeance rampage to prove a point to 'cop-killers'. Never mind that people die every day and they sometimes give no farks at all; this time they were willing to terrorize civilians, attach their name to borderline-racism,  SHOOT AT FARKING CIVILIANS, and finally kill Dorner in what is usually known as the most painful death possible.

Spontaneous combustion does not exist. Either bears have learned to use matches, or the LAPD knew they ran the risk of basically torturing a human being to death in the name of vengeance and pride. That is wrong. Dorner's crimes should have been punished, but what the LAPD has done is an affront to everything America should stand for.

Maybe you should spend less time worrying about a dead man and more worrying about the people you're absolving of fairly unforgiveable sins. The people shot at in Dorner's name by the LAPD would thank you.

You expressed my entire thoughts on this case.  Everyone I know is either shouting "yeah! go cop killer!" or "Boo!  He deserved whatever he got" or simply ignoring the whole thing.  The issue is not whether he was ...

You make it sound like you think Dorner should have been given time out or given a break because he was "mentally ill." Something tells me you have never been shot or shot at before.


The cops shooting on the civilians is troubling. Is it a sign of corruption? No, but it is a sign.
 
2013-02-14 07:42:48 PM  

the ha ha guy: PsiChick: No, I believe they should be rational enough to realize they were dealing with someone who was psychologically capable of being forced into surrender, and their job is to take any reasonable measure to get that surrender, not  throw a farking bomb in the house. And as far as suicide by cop being 'justice', dear lord, please stay the fark away from anyone who's mentally ill.


According to a claim by CNN, a U.S. Marshall spokesman told them that Dorner did try to leave, but he was pushed back inside...

Forty minutes later that same U.S. Marshal said that authorities are "not sure" if he ever came out.

(Scroll to the 8:34 and 9:14 PM updates)
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex -l apd-officer-dorner-sighted/

They didn't want a surrender, they didn't want him to have a chance to be punished in accordance with the law, they wanted him to suffer and die at their hands.


But what does, "Dorner did try to leave...." mean?

Did he throw his guns down and come out weeping for his very life, as you so wholeheartedly proclaim?

Or, did he come out guns blazing?

All we know so far has changed every damn day since this whole thing started. I think I'll avoid jumping to my conclusion for a wee bit longer yet.
 
2013-02-14 07:47:43 PM  

Ace Rimmer: the ha ha guy: PsiChick: No, I believe they should be rational enough to realize they were dealing with someone who was psychologically capable of being forced into surrender, and their job is to take any reasonable measure to get that surrender, not  throw a farking bomb in the house. And as far as suicide by cop being 'justice', dear lord, please stay the fark away from anyone who's mentally ill.


According to a claim by CNN, a U.S. Marshall spokesman told them that Dorner did try to leave, but he was pushed back inside...

Forty minutes later that same U.S. Marshal said that authorities are "not sure" if he ever came out.

(Scroll to the 8:34 and 9:14 PM updates)
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex -l apd-officer-dorner-sighted/

They didn't want a surrender, they didn't want him to have a chance to be punished in accordance with the law, they wanted him to suffer and die at their hands.

But what does, "Dorner did try to leave...." mean?

Did he throw his guns down and come out weeping for his very life, as you so wholeheartedly proclaim?

Or, did he come out guns blazing?

All we know so far has changed every damn day since this whole thing started. I think I'll avoid jumping to my conclusion for a wee bit longer yet.


I don't think more time will provide any additional clarity. The person who could piece the most together was burned to death...
 
2013-02-14 07:50:42 PM  

Bontesla: What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?


Zero.
If he was a squatter, then he wasn't homeless.
 
2013-02-14 07:54:11 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Bontesla: What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?

Zero.
If he was a squatter, then he wasn't homeless.


Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's... So that kind of makes this road pointless. But homeless people have been caught squatting in empty structures before. They're still considered homeless.
 
2013-02-14 07:58:13 PM  
I've run out of tinfoil so here's the dribble trickling out my ears:

My insane theory is that the guy had hard evidence of something going on in the LAPD on a grand scale (I'm thinking orchestrated slave trafficking, sex slavery, murder for hire, etc). All the things being "said" by him are done on social media (correct me if I've missed something), which we all know is impervious to hacking (insert sarcasm).

The only way I'd personally believe he attacked first is to have heard the man ranting and raving. Video of his own mouth moving, his own voice speaking.

They made it clear they had no intention of catching him alive. I think it had little to do with being a "cop killer."

Crazy biatch in Eugene Oregon killed a cop at a traffic stop few years ago and drove off. There was a manhunt. They caught her alive. Socop killing =\= kill insight by default.

Now that he's dead (if you believe he died in the fire), the only word we have is the LAPD's. and we all know all cops tell nothing but the truth (more dripping sarcasm).

Now I'm off to the store for more aluminum foil.
 
2013-02-14 07:59:49 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: mizchief: Mija: On 9/11 the government claimed one of the highjackers paasports was found in the debri of the trade centers. Farkers defended that.

But none of the black boxes designed to withstand head-on mid air collisions and the ensuing fall to the ground from 10,000 feet were recovered.

It just might be easier to blow out an ID card in the initial explosion than a heavy metal box.

Did you see all that paper falling down?. Why was all that burnable paper not immolated !?!?!?!?!?!


The airplane didn't explode until after it crashed into the tower which created a fire so hot that it melted steel and caused the whole building to collapse, but the passport survived unscathed. How many other passenger's personal effects were found intact?
 
2013-02-14 08:24:49 PM  

acaciaavenue: You can apply for your license and claim it got lost in the mail. They will send you a duplicate. It's pretty easy.


Maybe the only conspiracy was Dorner's. He kills a couple of people after writing his manifesto, steals a boat (why did he need to tell the boat owner where he was going and then leave him there tied up?), goes up the coast a couple of miles and hides the boat, giving him a window of time while cops spent their time patrolling the border. Hide for a while, and then break out and kill a few more cops.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they really did find three separate, legitimate IDs of Dorner's. He wanted them to find them, at least the one by the boat.
 
2013-02-14 08:40:28 PM  

Bontesla: Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's...



The remains were positively identified, then denied to exist, then confirmed to exist but too hot to retrieve, then retrieved but would take weeks to identify, then they found an intact wallet confirming his identity, now they confirm the remains through dental records...

Not that I doubt that Dorner died in the fire, but at this point I'm not accepting any news related to this case as even remotely plausible until it goes at least 24 hours without a retraction.
 
2013-02-14 09:09:50 PM  

Bontesla: tenpoundsofcheese: Bontesla: What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?

Zero.
If he was a squatter, then he wasn't homeless.

Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's... So that kind of makes this road pointless. But homeless people have been caught squatting in empty structures before. They're still considered homeless.


Then he would have been a homeless man who stole two vehicles and shot at a bunch of cops on the wrong farking day.
 
2013-02-14 09:32:10 PM  
Last week would have been a great time to buy some stock in Reynolds Group Holdings.

You know, it is entirely possible that this is a simple case of a madman embarking on a killing spree, resulting in first some extremely idiotic moves by the police and, ultimately, the madman's death. What f*cking sense would it make for the LAPD to ID the charred remains as Dorner if, in fact, it's not Dorner?
 
2013-02-14 09:50:21 PM  
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2013-02-14 10:20:41 PM  
Goddamit, people. 'Driver's License' makes sense. It is a license that belongs to a driver. Therefore, the possessive 'Driver's License'.

'Drivers License' makes no sense, unless you assume a collective ownership of one license by the entire community (or at least a plurality) of 'drivers'. As if to say, one license will cover multiple drivers (plural).

I hope this puts an end to this nonsense.
 
2013-02-14 10:25:22 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: Goddamit, people. 'Driver's License' makes sense. It is a license that belongs to a driver. Therefore, the possessive 'Driver's License'.

'Drivers License' makes no sense, unless you assume a collective ownership of one license by the entire community (or at least a plurality) of 'drivers'. As if to say, one license will cover multiple drivers (plural).

I hope this puts an end to this nonsense.


It's a license. For drivers.
 
2013-02-14 11:07:24 PM  

cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.


No...it's not driver, or drivers, but driver's.

/apostrophes, how do they work?
 
2013-02-14 11:26:24 PM  

cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.


1) Maryland: "Driver's License"

2) California: "Driver License"

3) Colorado: "Driver's License"

• A person's license to drive. A driver's license to drive. Shortened to: A driver's license. Or a driving license.
• A person's license to fish. A fisherman's license to fish. Shortened to: A fisherman's license. Or a fishing license.
• A person's license to hunt. A hunter's license to hunt. Shortened to: A hunter's license. Or a hunting license.

"Driver License" is a botched version of the shortened form of a "driver's license to drive."
 
2013-02-15 02:04:35 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: He shot pigs, not innocent people.


He alleged shot a cop's non-cop daughter and her fiance.  Even if you assume all cops are pigs and all pigs are guilty, that's at least 1.5 innocent people.
 
2013-02-15 06:10:26 AM  

the ha ha guy: Bontesla: Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's...


The remains were positively identified, then denied to exist, then confirmed to exist but too hot to retrieve, then retrieved but would take weeks to identify, then they found an intact wallet confirming his identity, now they confirm the remains through dental records...

Not that I doubt that Dorner died in the fire, but at this point I'm not accepting any news related to this case as even remotely plausible until it goes at least 24 hours without a retraction.


Yeah. Unfortunately, I doubt the coroner will be releasing any clarifications. So, unless he surfaces again (in a very public way) - then...

I suppose the LAPD's behavior could tell us something but such actions are always left to interpretation. Those looking for evidence will surely find it.
 
2013-02-15 06:11:47 AM  

Owangotang: Last week would have been a great time to buy some stock in Reynolds Group Holdings.

You know, it is entirely possible that this is a simple case of a madman embarking on a killing spree, resulting in first some extremely idiotic moves by the police and, ultimately, the madman's death. What f*cking sense would it make for the LAPD to ID the charred remains as Dorner if, in fact, it's not Dorner?


You really cannot think of any reason officers would be inclined to lie?
 
2013-02-15 09:16:35 AM  
So, Dorner was burning to death and instead of curling up in a ball like most people would do as they died, he laid flat on his back like he was getting a freaking tan?
Bullshiat.

He had already been shot when they shoved him back in and lit the cabin.

This story stinks from the bottom to the top.
 
2013-02-15 10:11:14 AM  
If he got multiple valid copies of his license (not hard to do), the DMV would have record of issing them, wouldn't they?
 
2013-02-15 09:09:46 PM  

ReverendJasen: If he got multiple valid copies of his license (not hard to do), the DMV would have record of issing them, wouldn't they?


For investigative reporters:

Dont go researching this until the DMV has a chance to create the entries.
 
2013-02-16 04:14:03 AM  
wai..wai..wait....

Why argue IF it was the wrong thing to do, to chase a brotha up into a cabin, DURING Obama's State of the Union address, set it on fire ( which is what they planned to do, it's on the scanner audio ) and watch SOMEONE burn to death without lifting so much as a finger to do anything aboit it? Let's not discount the fact that the Feds themself said there were possible hostages and STILL planned to burn it down, anything to stay on narraive and make all the lies true..

What I'd like to address is the circumstances that lead to it. No, not the fact that Dorner was NEVER linked to the origional killings, which occured in a building with a card-kay locked, internally secured with computer ID system, and CCTV camera, internal elevator core to even get to where it happend... lets forget that in inception NOTHING had been proven, no evidence even presented.. Irvine police had just stated they 'had no clue' the night before and then a FACEBOOK POST came from a computer he hadn't used in months from an account the Feds had siezed...and suddenly he was a terrorist, case solved, call the drones, judge-jury-executioner tiems..

No, not THAT part which put killer deathbots in our skies..I mean THIS hapening that ended up with a lynch mob burning a brotha to death in a remote, press-blacked out cabin..

BUT It all started in front of a news crew less than a block from a command post...yes, it did, snd there is full audio...stay with me... where a black male, dressed in fatigues etc (dress like a target two weeks later? common now), walks up in front of cameras and leaves audo of...

"HEY YOU!! COMMERE'" - cop

"Who? Me?" - shooter

You really think Dorner, walking up to multiple news crews in cammo and all scary looking would have taken time to have that exchage?

Whoever it was picked the cop with the biggest jackboots and kicked him, in front of the camera...and then killed him.. Tough is as tough does just like racist is as racist does..

Don't foget he'd just come in contact with a Game Warden who came out just fine. Funny how when tou don't poop yer pampers and start spraying rounds like this cop did, less people die..

The audo shows it's all pistol fire, the ofdicer, you hear the suspect much later...so their lies about 'babykillaclipassautazine' rifuls was a lie, them saying they didn't set the fire was a lie (have audio), the two 'cops' he shot were strutting it for the cameras, juicy target for rage. Racist is as racist does. You can practically hear the Jackboots clacking in rythum.

The other two cops before? The ones that the media convicted him of? They were an hour and half apart, the shootings happened within 8 minutes of one another.

One was a SWAT T.O. with a rook, parked at a light. Vet died, rook lives to tell the tale...

Other one was pulling over a car, guy shot at em and ran.

Oh and the 'poor girl' had a daddy who got fired after 'retiring' from LAPD just after recieving the 'first ever Asian to make Captain. Notice he got REAL quiet. Yakuza? The condos were multi million dollar units where the _assistant basketball coach_ lived with her Kia driving _security guard_ boyfriend of 3 years.. must pay better there than here..

It's called Gall-Mann amnesia syndrome and you all have it. Stop believing people who have no clue what they're talking about when they talk about things they know nothing about.. aka.. the media, cops and comments... dig for yourself..

/aaaandI'm out
//yeauea tl;dr, I type fast..
 
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