the money is in the banana stand: mongbiohazard: the money is in the banana stand: I am not defending their actions, just the challenging the blanket statement. I am curious to know how they knew there weren't any other people (or even animals) in the house before they ignited it.They shot 6 innocent people while looking for him, several of which couldn't have been confused for him in a dark alley by a blind man wearing headphones (seriously, a blonde guy? TWO latin women - one 50 something and the other 70 something?). It's blatantly obvious they just didn't CARE if anyone else was in there.Dorner was a villain, but the LAPD is actually the worse villain in all of this. Dorner is dead and gone. The LAPD still gets to murder and attempt to murder people with almost complete impugnity. Their actions were reckless and inexcusable and implicates the entire force as a bunch of corrupt, incompetent fools who desperately need to be held accountable.I agree with what you are saying. Again, I am not defending the actions of the LAPD. I was challenging the blanket statement that under no circumstance should police "be judge jury and executioner" which in the context, meant using deadly force and killing perpetrators. The general consensus is that the police should apprehend suspects irregardless of the harm they pose to them, or others, and go through the court system. With regard to this case in particular, IF Dorner fired upon the cops without being first shot at, and IF the LAPD was absolutely sure that no other individuals (or pets) were inside the cabin, I don't have an issue with them smoking him out. If he walked outside guns blazing as a result, I don't care if the cops cut him down either. I don't understand how completely burning the cabin to the ground however was the best solution as whoever owned the property now has lost that and everything inside.
4tehsnowflakes: The taste of Mongb's outrage is as sweet as the polish would be bitter. But no matter how solid your other qualifications may be, election to an executive office in a larger town or city without being endorsed by at least some of the jurisdiction's leading LEO's is difficult. Frequently the winning candidate for mayor or top county official is an insider in part because that police/prosecutor endorsement is so important, one reason why the most successful prosecutors are often able to use that office as a step into elective office. Defenders of this situation would say it makes sense because the executive is nominally in charge of enforcing the criminal laws./education by accident
Nebulious: [i25.photobucket.com image 428x244]Looks legit to me.
earthworm2.0: How much evidence do they have that he was the one who killed the daughter and her boyfriend? I mean, he was obviously a suspect, but did he take pictures witht he dead bodies and post them on facebook, or is everyone jsut assuming it was him because of the manifesto?
the ha ha guy: PsiChick: No, I believe they should be rational enough to realize they were dealing with someone who was psychologically capable of being forced into surrender, and their job is to take any reasonable measure to get that surrender, not throw a farking bomb in the house. And as far as suicide by cop being 'justice', dear lord, please stay the fark away from anyone who's mentally ill.According to a claim by CNN, a U.S. Marshall spokesman told them that Dorner did try to leave, but he was pushed back inside...Forty minutes later that same U.S. Marshal said that authorities are "not sure" if he ever came out.(Scroll to the 8:34 and 9:14 PM updates)http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex -l apd-officer-dorner-sighted/They didn't want a surrender, they didn't want him to have a chance to be punished in accordance with the law, they wanted him to suffer and die at their hands.
the money is in the banana stand: tiamet4: PsiChick: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.The LAPD is an American police force. It is supposed to stand for justice. The second one of their own died, they started on a vengeance rampage to prove a point to 'cop-killers'. Never mind that people die every day and they sometimes give no farks at all; this time they were willing to terrorize civilians, attach their name to borderline-racism, SHOOT AT FARKING CIVILIANS, and finally kill Dorner in what is usually known as the most painful death possible.Spontaneous combustion does not exist. Either bears have learned to use matches, or the LAPD knew they ran the risk of basically torturing a human being to death in the name of vengeance and pride. That is wrong. Dorner's crimes should have been punished, but what the LAPD has done is an affront to everything America should stand for.Maybe you should spend less time worrying about a dead man and more worrying about the people you're absolving of fairly unforgiveable sins. The people shot at in Dorner's name by the LAPD would thank you.You expressed my entire thoughts on this case. Everyone I know is either shouting "yeah! go cop killer!" or "Boo! He deserved whatever he got" or simply ignoring the whole thing. The issue is not whether he was ...You make it sound like you think Dorner should have been given time out or given a break because he was "mentally ill." Something tells me you have never been shot or shot at before.
Ace Rimmer: the ha ha guy: PsiChick: No, I believe they should be rational enough to realize they were dealing with someone who was psychologically capable of being forced into surrender, and their job is to take any reasonable measure to get that surrender, not throw a farking bomb in the house. And as far as suicide by cop being 'justice', dear lord, please stay the fark away from anyone who's mentally ill.According to a claim by CNN, a U.S. Marshall spokesman told them that Dorner did try to leave, but he was pushed back inside...Forty minutes later that same U.S. Marshal said that authorities are "not sure" if he ever came out.(Scroll to the 8:34 and 9:14 PM updates)http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex -l apd-officer-dorner-sighted/They didn't want a surrender, they didn't want him to have a chance to be punished in accordance with the law, they wanted him to suffer and die at their hands.But what does, "Dorner did try to leave...." mean?Did he throw his guns down and come out weeping for his very life, as you so wholeheartedly proclaim?Or, did he come out guns blazing?All we know so far has changed every damn day since this whole thing started. I think I'll avoid jumping to my conclusion for a wee bit longer yet.
Bontesla: What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?
tenpoundsofcheese: Bontesla: What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?Zero.If he was a squatter, then he wasn't homeless.
acaciaavenue: You can apply for your license and claim it got lost in the mail. They will send you a duplicate. It's pretty easy.
Bontesla: Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's...
Bontesla: tenpoundsofcheese: Bontesla: What are the odds they just murdered a homeless squatter?Zero.If he was a squatter, then he wasn't homeless.Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's... So that kind of makes this road pointless. But homeless people have been caught squatting in empty structures before. They're still considered homeless.
Samwise Gamgee: Goddamit, people. 'Driver's License' makes sense. It is a license that belongs to a driver. Therefore, the possessive 'Driver's License'.'Drivers License' makes no sense, unless you assume a collective ownership of one license by the entire community (or at least a plurality) of 'drivers'. As if to say, one license will cover multiple drivers (plural).I hope this puts an end to this nonsense.
cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.
Smeggy Smurf: He shot pigs, not innocent people.
the ha ha guy: Bontesla: Well, the remains have been identified as Dorner's...The remains were positively identified, then denied to exist, then confirmed to exist but too hot to retrieve, then retrieved but would take weeks to identify, then they found an intact wallet confirming his identity, now they confirm the remains through dental records...Not that I doubt that Dorner died in the fire, but at this point I'm not accepting any news related to this case as even remotely plausible until it goes at least 24 hours without a retraction.
Owangotang: Last week would have been a great time to buy some stock in Reynolds Group Holdings.You know, it is entirely possible that this is a simple case of a madman embarking on a killing spree, resulting in first some extremely idiotic moves by the police and, ultimately, the madman's death. What f*cking sense would it make for the LAPD to ID the charred remains as Dorner if, in fact, it's not Dorner?
ReverendJasen: If he got multiple valid copies of his license (not hard to do), the DMV would have record of issing them, wouldn't they?
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