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2013-02-14 01:48:17 PM  

fickenchucker: What a waste of conspiracy effort.  Who says a psycho didn't have multiple IDs, say a couple of credit cards left in a jacket he left behind while eluding police, a driver's license left somewhere else for the same reasons, and finally the bulk of his wallet with his old police ID passport at the final location?

And a body "burned beyond recognition" might simply be a melted head, but a portion of the body intact covering the final wallet.  It's not like the human body instantly degrades and self-immolates like a Fourth of July snake.


They would have identified the corpse hours ago if that was the case.
 
2013-02-14 01:48:58 PM  

olapbill: cfroelic: The One True TheDavid: cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.

Driver's. Possessive apostrophe.


No, it's Driver License.  No s, no apostrophe.  Check the California DMV site

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm

driver? don't even know her.
at least up here it's driver's license.  Take off eh?


Hate to be "that guy" but you're still wrong. It's licence in Canada.
www.ontario.ca
 
2013-02-14 01:49:02 PM  

No Such Agency: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
Come on, man, you're better at logic than that. Dorner had a serious axe to grind against the LAPD. If they faked his death, one lucky TV news reader would be getting a phone call from Dorner as soon as the coroner "confirmed" that it was Dorner's body. "Um, yeah, about that guy the LAPD and LA coroner say is me? Yeah, not so much. Here's my 20-minute rant that I want you to break into 'Judge Judy' to air. Ready?"

Please... the Reverse Vampires own the TV stations.


I'm pretty sure they like "exclusives" and good ratings,  too. Or are you suggesting that...DORNER IS A REVERSE VAMPIRE????? [dun, dun, DUN!!!!]
 
2013-02-14 01:49:26 PM  

dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: FOX News has the highest ratings and they are the least reputable. I don't think your theory stands up.

That doesn't refute my theory.  If anything, it confirms it.

*Processing*

Yeah, I see what you're saying here. But, you also have to mix credibility into that equation. No one is going to go to a news source that constantly gets it wrong.

People have a kind of selective amnesia about the news.  There is a name for it, but ironically I can't remember it right now.


Do you mean confirmation bias? Because Fox wouldn't exist without it.
 
2013-02-14 01:49:35 PM  

Elegy: Late to this party (and apologies if this has been posted), but I just want to point out that the wallet found near the border wasn't a case of sloppy reporting - it's listed as evidence in one of the sworn criminal complaints against Dorner.

Fulltext


Whoops, fark dumped the pic of the excerpt:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-14 01:51:17 PM  

Stone Meadow: DROxINxTHExWIND: Yeah, I see what you're saying here. But, you also have to mix credibility into that equation. No one is going to go to a news source that constantly gets it wrong.

I don't know, man. You guys are having an interesting conversation, but at the end of the day, I think people go to a news source that conforms to their view of things. It's not like a conservative has to check out MSNBC to make sure they get the straight poop. They turn on Fox because Fox presents the news in ways that confirms and reinforces their view of events.


That too, but money is always at the root of it.  Actually, having opposing sides like MSNBC and FoxNews is actually pretty healthy.  No one outlet or ideology has a monopoly on the truth.

I think the biggest lesson to take away is this:  "Initial reporting is always wrong".
 
2013-02-14 01:51:26 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.

How about the part where they burned down the cabin without knowing who was inside, if anyone. In other words, there could have been hostages in there but apparently the PD didn't know how many people were in there.

Completely ignoring Dorner, that's troublesome. And good luck to the PD in future negotiations when this is seen as their peaceful way out.

Oh, and the might want to stop calling tear gas "burners", just saying.


FLIR
 
2013-02-14 01:52:01 PM  
Morning meeting pre-attack plan;

Everyone have a Dorner license-check

Gasoline-check

Donuts-check

Cabin sign up sheet for this season-check

We're going to draw straws now to see who we shoot, need 2-check

Meet back here post attack to go over acting and special effects.
 
2013-02-14 01:54:19 PM  

Oerath: I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing nutter (I swear!), but I would totally believe that the LAPD meant to kill him and set the fire on purpose.


I'm sure that would go over well if there happened to be a hostage in the building.


The guy could easily have had his wallet in his breast pocket and was wearing body armor chest.
 
2013-02-14 01:55:36 PM  
How much evidence do they have that he was the one who killed the daughter and her boyfriend? I mean, he was obviously a suspect, but did he take pictures witht he dead bodies and post them on facebook, or is everyone jsut assuming it was him because of the manifesto?
 
2013-02-14 01:55:53 PM  

Elegy: Elegy: Late to this party (and apologies if this has been posted), but I just want to point out that the wallet found near the border wasn't a case of sloppy reporting - it's listed as evidence in one of the sworn criminal complaints against Dorner.

Fulltext

Whoops, fark dumped the pic of the excerpt:

[i.imgur.com image 625x88]


ah ha!  "Identification cards".  But that could be his Costco ID.  It doesn't say driver license.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 01:56:14 PM  

Therion: vpb: It's funny how these carefully scripted conspiracies always involve really careless oversights like multiple wallets and phony shooting victim photographs.

[www.trbimg.com image 600x392]

Yeah, photoshopped and obviously fake.


Ah yes.  A photo of a truck.  That clearly proves that there was a conspiracy to kill Dorner and then falsely claim that his body was his by forging his license.
 
2013-02-14 01:56:19 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I'm sure folks with memories older than 20 years ago can go back even further.



No argument here.

This case though was just SO egregious though... I don't understand how the mayor or governor isn't raging through the LAPD like the Hulk right farking now. If I was an executive branch official with a police force in my jurisdiction that behaved like that I'd be putting my foot so far up their collective asses that they'd taste my shoe polish. I'd be embarking on years of reforms and the resignations of everyone in charge.
 
2013-02-14 01:57:04 PM  
VantheMan:  They were trying to kill him, why else would they shoot up that truck before they even knew if he was the one in it?

Because they're human beings and they were sacred shiatless that someone with police training who had just ambushed two other officers was targetting them? I like how the entire police force was in on this and ALL of them wanted to see Dorner get executed. I guess Chris Dorner was the last honest cop alive.
 
2013-02-14 01:58:47 PM  
Not long after I got off active duty, the Army started taking mouth swabs for DNA.  This was to ID your corpse with instead of dental records. The other branches too I'm sure.  Maybe this why it's taking so long to get the official word that it was or wasn't him in the embers.
 
2013-02-14 01:58:47 PM  

dittybopper: Surool: I'm confused... so NOW the big conspiracy is that the LAPD has faked this guys death to help him escape? I mean, if that isn't the case, all this guy would have to do to take down the department is pop up alive some place. I'm not sure what this particular piece of conspiracy theory would accomplish for the participants.

I believe the thinking is this:  The police would be embarrassed if it became public knowledge that the person who was killed in the fire was *NOT* Chris Dorner, therefore they are going to identify the body as him, even if it isn't.  Local cops on the scene wouldn't be able to tell anyway, just looking at crispy critter-type remains.

I don't agree with it, I think they got Dorner,  but I can see the logic there.


Did they not announce themselves and determine hostile activity?  What fool would just drive an LAV into a house as the first course of action?
 
2013-02-14 01:59:07 PM  

Snarfangel: "I'm 007243911, and I have a license to drive."


www.healthydivaeats.com
 
2013-02-14 01:59:48 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire.


I doubt he shot himself in the head while lying on his back.
Nor do I think that if he was standing and shot himself in the head, that he would end up neatly lying on his back with his butt protecting the wallet from the flames.
 
2013-02-14 02:00:53 PM  

cfroelic: The One True TheDavid: cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.

Driver's. Possessive apostrophe.


No, it's Driver License.  No s, no apostrophe.  Check the California DMV site

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm


Okay, okay. In KY it is "Driver's."
transportation.ky.gov
 
2013-02-14 02:02:01 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: VantheMan:  They were trying to kill him, why else would they shoot up that truck before they even knew if he was the one in it?

Because they're human beings and they were sacred shiatless that someone with police training who had just ambushed two other officers was targetting them? I like how the entire police force was in on this and ALL of them wanted to see Dorner get executed.  I guess Chris Dorner was the last honest cop alive.



That just screams "movie poster".
The left loves this guy, so it will happen.
 
2013-02-14 02:02:06 PM  

mizchief: Mija: On 9/11 the government claimed one of the highjackers paasports was found in the debri of the trade centers. Farkers defended that.

But none of the black boxes designed to withstand head-on mid air collisions and the ensuing fall to the ground from 10,000 feet were recovered.


It just might be easier to blow out an ID card in the initial explosion than a heavy metal box.

Did you see all that paper falling down?. Why was all that burnable paper not immolated !?!?!?!?!?!
 
2013-02-14 02:06:08 PM  
The latest incarnation of the story before the fire:


Jim and Karen Reynolds told reporters Wednesday night in Big Bear that it was not two housekeepers, as widely reported, but they who discovered Dorner Tuesday morning in the apartment where he had taken refuge.

"We happened to walk in on him,'' Karen Reynolds said. "He tried to calm us down, saying very frequently he would not kill us.''

The couple said Dorner tied them up, put washcloths in their mouths, used a cord to tie pillowcases over their heads and told them to keep quiet while he left in their car. They said after he had been gone about a minute, they broke free and were able to contact authorities.

"You could tell he was professionally trained," said Karen Reynolds of Dorner, 33, who was fired from the Los Angeles Police Department in 2009.


Ok.
- Initially reported two women.
Now it's reported a man and a woman.
Initially reported a woman got away and called for help.

- This couple is saying he put a pillow case over their heads and that he would leave in their car... so they waited a minute, broke themselves free of his restraints (what? he must have intended them to be able to get free, if he didn't tie or gag them tightly enough so that they'd be immobilized) and sought help.

- The cabin was being used as an apartment?  Who else lived there?

- Why would Dorner drive some couple's vehicle, only to take up residence in another cabin a little ways away?

FTFA:

He said deputies initially fired conventional "cold" tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to "pyrotechnic-type" rounds" known as "burners."

Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the vacation cabin looked and behaved like Dorner, he said. And though he still could not "absolutely, positively confirm" that the charred body found inside was Dorner's, the sheriff said the coroner would likely make the determination "soon."

A wallet with a California driver's license bearing the name Christopher Dorner was found, the Associated Press reported earlier, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation.

"We believe the investigation is over at this point," McMahon said.

It was also revealed that during the manhunt deputies had knocked on the door of the cabin, which was was but moved on when they got no answer.


- Is that evidence as strong as two elderly latin ladies or a white surfer dude? I mean, Dorner could have been anybody, he's like Fletch or Rich Little.
- Given the number of reports out of Big Bear from residents who were proud to be gun owners and talked a big game about having their guns ready to shoot if they thought trouble (Dorner) was coming their way.... but y'all can finish that train of thought for me.
 
2013-02-14 02:06:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire.

I doubt he shot himself in the head while lying on his back.
Nor do I think that if he was standing and shot himself in the head, that he would end up neatly lying on his back with his butt protecting the wallet from the flames.


But, you DO believe that a passport fell out of a man's belongings as the plane that he was hijacking plunged into a skyscraper and landed on the ground, intact, where investigators found it? Oooookay.
 
2013-02-14 02:07:13 PM  

dittybopper: Heh, yeah it is.

A couple of problems:

1. Dorner wouldn't likely call the news to say "I'm not dead yet!", because it's useful for his mission for everyone to *THINK* he's dead. Police stop doggy-guarding his targets, and the police don't have itchy trigger fingers every time they see a large bald black man. He can go after them at his leisure, secure in the knowledge that they are no longer looking for him. Then, when he's done what he set out to do, he can just walk away.

2. What news reader would believe him anyway? He's officially dead. Probably some crackpot. They call us all the time. Bet before the call is over he references Bababooey.


Rebuttal 1: Yeah, but the cops KNOW he's alive, so while they might let their guard down a little, it would only be to allow the media, and by association, the public, to forget about the whole thing. Meanwhile, they continue hunting him and take him out a little more quietly. Then, in June, on pg. 23 of the LA Times, a little article appears, "Unnamed homeless man found dead under Santa Monica Freeway overpass. Cause of death, unknown."

Rebuttal 2: Ric Romero is actually a TV reporter in...dun, dun, DUN!!!... Los Angeles!!!~!!11!1!

:-)
 
2013-02-14 02:07:28 PM  

the ha ha guy: Madbassist1: amindtat: the ha ha guy: cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.


No, it's "driver's license", not "driver license".

Apparently in CA, it IS driver license:

[icenter.ucsd.edu image 225x146]

It's "Driver License" everywhere. Somebody is stupid or trollin.


No, not "everywhere".

Wikipedia: Driver's License

MD DMV: Driver's License

PA DMV: Driver's License

GA DDS: Driver's License

These are just the states I know firsthand, I'm sure other states use the apostrophe as well.


Mine says "Driver's License."  I'm looking at it right now.

/IL
 
2013-02-14 02:09:34 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Elegy: Elegy: Late to this party (and apologies if this has been posted), but I just want to point out that the wallet found near the border wasn't a case of sloppy reporting - it's listed as evidence in one of the sworn criminal complaints against Dorner.

Fulltext

Whoops, fark dumped the pic of the excerpt:

[i.imgur.com image 625x88]

ah ha!  "Identification cards".  But that could be his Costco ID.  It doesn't say driver license.


(shrug) Just offering a point of fact over and above the "sloppy initial reporting" argument and a link to the criminal complaint in case anyone is interested, you know, actual facts.

Make of it what you will. You people always do, anyways.
 
2013-02-14 02:09:47 PM  
(I know, it's two different cabins being discussed in the news article.  I just don't understand why Dorner would think that the cops wouldn't backtrack over ground they'd already covered, if given an opportunity to since he did leave two people alive to talk to the cops about his whereabouts and the direction he was heading.)

Since the cops were only knocking on doors (allegedly), anyway, would it have been better to stay at the apartment with the two people?
 
2013-02-14 02:09:52 PM  

Madbassist1: amindtat: the ha ha guy: cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.


No, it's "driver's license", not "driver license".

Apparently in CA, it IS driver license:

[icenter.ucsd.edu image 225x146]

It's "Driver License" everywhere. Somebody is stupid or trollin.


In Virginia it's Driver's License. I dunno if that's the right way or wrong way, but considering how VA screws most things up, I'll go with wrong.
 
2013-02-14 02:10:05 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire.

I doubt he shot himself in the head while lying on his back.
Nor do I think that if he was standing and shot himself in the head, that he would end up neatly lying on his back with his butt protecting the wallet from the flames.

But, you DO believe that a passport fell out of a man's belongings as the plane that he was hijacking plunged into a skyscraper and landed on the ground, intact, where investigators found it? Oooookay.


huh?  wtf are you saying?
 
2013-02-14 02:10:14 PM  
Mitch Taylor's Bro:
No Such Agency: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
Come on, man, you're better at logic than that. Dorner had a serious axe to grind against the LAPD. If they faked his death, one lucky TV news reader would be getting a phone call from Dorner as soon as the coroner "confirmed" that it was Dorner's body. "Um, yeah, about that guy the LAPD and LA coroner say is me? Yeah, not so much. Here's my 20-minute rant that I want you to break into 'Judge Judy' to air. Ready?"

Please... the Reverse Vampires own the TV stations.

I'm pretty sure they like "exclusives" and good ratings,  too. Or are you suggesting that...DORNER IS A REVERSE VAMPIRE????? [dun, dun, DUN!!!!]


Don't be absurd, he was traveling at NIGHT.  He's much more likely to be two Saucer People wearing a long overcoat.
 
2013-02-14 02:10:41 PM  

mizchief: vpb: It's funny how these carefully scripted conspiracies always involve really careless oversights like multiple wallets and phony shooting victim photographs.

At least we know that reporters never make lazy mistakes so obviously it's a conspiracy between Obama, the Israelis and the sekrit muslins.

Oh, and the UN too.

I think that is totally plausible and probable, but yet these questions will go unanswered. I want to know the truth as to how the happened regardless of what it might be. This is just like in Sandy Hook how conflicting reports came out about the AR-15 not being used and video showing it being pulled out of the trunk, or what happened with the guy the arrested out in the woods and have both an adult and child eyewitness on the news saying someone was handcuffed and placed in the front seat of a cop car.

It probably is just media screwing  up, but we deserve to know the truth of how this happens and the news agency held accountable for reporting false information.


They figured out that one, actually. He had a shotgun in the trunk of his car. Media taped it getting pulled out. Idiot reporter can't tell a 12-gauge from an AR-15. People don tinfoil hats. People who are familiar with the model of AR-15 in question can look at the video of the cop unloading the shotgun, and can point out the details that prove it's not an AR-15. Don't know anyone who does? Take it to a local gun store owner. Ask him to show you how you unload a Bushmaster AR-15.
 
2013-02-14 02:13:04 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-14 02:15:11 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dittybopper: Heh, yeah it is.

A couple of problems:

1. Dorner wouldn't likely call the news to say "I'm not dead yet!", because it's useful for his mission for everyone to *THINK* he's dead. Police stop doggy-guarding his targets, and the police don't have itchy trigger fingers every time they see a large bald black man. He can go after them at his leisure, secure in the knowledge that they are no longer looking for him. Then, when he's done what he set out to do, he can just walk away.

2. What news reader would believe him anyway? He's officially dead. Probably some crackpot. They call us all the time. Bet before the call is over he references Bababooey.

Rebuttal 1: Yeah, but the cops KNOW he's alive, so while they might let their guard down a little, it would only be to allow the media, and by association, the public, to forget about the whole thing. Meanwhile, they continue hunting him and take him out a little more quietly. Then, in June, on pg. 23 of the LA Times, a little article appears, "Unnamed homeless man found dead under Santa Monica Freeway overpass. Cause of death, unknown."

Rebuttal 2: Ric Romero is actually a TV reporter in...dun, dun, DUN!!!... Los Angeles!!!~!!11!1!

:-)


The cops haven't let their guard down yet, so yeah. As for the public forgetting, I guess it matters which sectors of the public forget.

So anyway, how much is it going to cost to keep an indefinite security detail on everyone on the list and their families until 'there's nothing left to be done'?

FAnArticle:

Police will continue to protect dozens of officers and others Dorner threatened in his manifesto, Neiman said.

"The task force is still in place, and they will work until there's nothing left to be done," he said. "We don't just stop a murder case simply because we think that the suspect in that case" is dead.


As for not stopping a murder case, it is to laugh. I guess they only stop murder cases for us little people.  Get kicked in the face by a cop?  get shot up by a cop? get rammed by a cop? Get tased to death by a cop? Nothing to see here.

Look dirty at a cop? release the hounds.
 
2013-02-14 02:15:13 PM  

Mikey1969: . Also, the DMV doesn't let you keep your old license when they issue a new one.


Actually Wisconsin does let you keep your old ID/DL after you get a new one so you have one in case the other gets lost.  California may do the same as well.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:02 PM  

Elegy: tenpoundsofcheese: Elegy: Elegy: Late to this party (and apologies if this has been posted), but I just want to point out that the wallet found near the border wasn't a case of sloppy reporting - it's listed as evidence in one of the sworn criminal complaints against Dorner.

Fulltext

Whoops, fark dumped the pic of the excerpt:

[i.imgur.com image 625x88]

ah ha!  "Identification cards".  But that could be his Costco ID.  It doesn't say driver license.

(shrug) Just offering a point of fact over and above the "sloppy initial reporting" argument and a link to the criminal complaint in case anyone is interested, you know, actual facts.

Make of it what you will. You people always do, anyways.


sorry, I thought what you wrote was good.  Subby wrote "driver license" - you pointed out that it only said "identification card" which makes a lot more sense.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:20 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire.

I doubt he shot himself in the head while lying on his back.
Nor do I think that if he was standing and shot himself in the head, that he would end up neatly lying on his back with his butt protecting the wallet from the flames.

But, you DO believe that a passport fell out of a man's belongings as the plane that he was hijacking plunged into a skyscraper and landed on the ground, intact, where investigators found it? Oooookay.

huh?  wtf are you saying?


I'm just comparing conspiracy theories. Many of the folks here talking about how impossible it would be for Dorner's ID to survive a fire have no problem swallowing the story about one of the 9/11 hijacker's passports being found in the rubble of two skyscrapers after the plane he was in smashed into one of them.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:53 PM  

LanceDearnis: mizchief: vpb: It's funny how these carefully scripted conspiracies always involve really careless oversights like multiple wallets and phony shooting victim photographs.

At least we know that reporters never make lazy mistakes so obviously it's a conspiracy between Obama, the Israelis and the sekrit muslins.

Oh, and the UN too.

I think that is totally plausible and probable, but yet these questions will go unanswered. I want to know the truth as to how the happened regardless of what it might be. This is just like in Sandy Hook how conflicting reports came out about the AR-15 not being used and video showing it being pulled out of the trunk, or what happened with the guy the arrested out in the woods and have both an adult and child eyewitness on the news saying someone was handcuffed and placed in the front seat of a cop car.

It probably is just media screwing  up, but we deserve to know the truth of how this happens and the news agency held accountable for reporting false information.

They figured out that one, actually. He had a shotgun in the trunk of his car. Media taped it getting pulled out. Idiot reporter can't tell a 12-gauge from an AR-15. People don tinfoil hats. People who are familiar with the model of AR-15 in question can look at the video of the cop unloading the shotgun, and can point out the details that prove it's not an AR-15. Don't know anyone who does? Take it to a local gun store owner. Ask him to show you how you unload a Bushmaster AR-15.


Much as I hate to defend the media( hear me out before youstart throwing things) the Izhmash Saiga does look a lot like an assault rifle. really doesnt look like a shotgun. But the video they used to incite the controversy does have the reporter saying, while the cops cleared the ammunition, that they cleared a "shell"... not a "bullet"... manufactured conspiracy is manufactured.
 
2013-02-14 02:17:41 PM  

Mija: On 9/11 the government claimed one of the highjackers paasports was found in the debri of the trade centers. Farkers defended that.


it was actually two, wasn't it?
 
2013-02-14 02:19:10 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Okay, okay. In KY it is "Driver's."


That's a really rough 35.
 
2013-02-14 02:19:31 PM  

cfroelic: namegoeshere: amindtat: the ha ha guy: cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.


No, it's "driver's license", not "driver license".

Apparently in CA, it IS driver license:

[icenter.ucsd.edu image 225x146]

Huh. NY as well. Who knew?

I knew


In Kansas it's just "DL"
/spelling is hard and stuff
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 02:22:07 PM  
Captain Darling:
WTF? If Dorner wasn't really the guy in the cabin, he will surely attempt to kill again. How the hell would it profit the LAPD to fake his death?

Obviously they want to cover up the fact that they killed him for no reason while he was shooting at them after he had murdered four people and threatened to kill more.  But they didn't want people to know that they killed him so they forged his license and planted it on his body so that people would think he was himself to cover it up.  That's why they couldn't announce the results of the autopsy before conducting the autopsy.

See?  It's a government conspiracy, just like Israeli commandos at Sandy Hook.
 
2013-02-14 02:23:16 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire.

I doubt he shot himself in the head while lying on his back.
Nor do I think that if he was standing and shot himself in the head, that he would end up neatly lying on his back with his butt protecting the wallet from the flames.

But, you DO believe that a passport fell out of a man's belongings as the plane that he was hijacking plunged into a skyscraper and landed on the ground, intact, where investigators found it? Oooookay.

huh?  wtf are you saying?

I'm just comparing conspiracy theories. Many of the folks here talking about how impossible it would be for Dorner's ID to survive a fire have no problem swallowing the story about one of the 9/11 hijacker's passports being found in the rubble of two skyscrapers after the plane he was in smashed into one of them.


Meh.  The 911 passport was found several blocks from the WTC, not in the ruble. I am not surprised that after a plane hits a building that it's contents would get thrown all over the place.  Momentum how does it work?
 
2013-02-14 02:24:03 PM  
abreucantina:  In Kansas it's just "DL"
/spelling is hard and stuff


In Oregon, it's "Card to operate that go-thingy -- you know, the one with four wheels."
 
2013-02-14 02:24:40 PM  

vpb: Ah yes. A photo of a truck. That clearly proves that there was a conspiracy to kill Dorner and then falsely claim that his body was his by forging his license.


It DOES show the restraint level that the LAPD was working with, however.  Enough they were willing to sling a mess 'o lead at a SUSPECT.  They were spoiling for a fight, and planned to kill that dude as soon as his head popped up.
 
2013-02-14 02:26:01 PM  

No Such Agency: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
No Such Agency: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
Come on, man, you're better at logic than that. Dorner had a serious axe to grind against the LAPD. If they faked his death, one lucky TV news reader would be getting a phone call from Dorner as soon as the coroner "confirmed" that it was Dorner's body. "Um, yeah, about that guy the LAPD and LA coroner say is me? Yeah, not so much. Here's my 20-minute rant that I want you to break into 'Judge Judy' to air. Ready?"

Please... the Reverse Vampires own the TV stations.

I'm pretty sure they like "exclusives" and good ratings,  too. Or are you suggesting that...DORNER IS A REVERSE VAMPIRE????? [dun, dun, DUN!!!!]

Don't be absurd, he was traveling at NIGHT.  He's much more likely to be two Saucer People wearing a long overcoat.


B-b-but...absurd is what I do best :-(
 
2013-02-14 02:28:12 PM  

fireclown: It DOES show the restraint level that the LAPD was working with, however.


It shows the actions of a couple of officers in a department of thousands.
 
2013-02-14 02:28:24 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dittybopper: Heh, yeah it is.

A couple of problems:

1. Dorner wouldn't likely call the news to say "I'm not dead yet!", because it's useful for his mission for everyone to *THINK* he's dead. Police stop doggy-guarding his targets, and the police don't have itchy trigger fingers every time they see a large bald black man. He can go after them at his leisure, secure in the knowledge that they are no longer looking for him. Then, when he's done what he set out to do, he can just walk away.

2. What news reader would believe him anyway? He's officially dead. Probably some crackpot. They call us all the time. Bet before the call is over he references Bababooey.

Rebuttal 1: Yeah, but the cops KNOW he's alive, so while they might let their guard down a little, it would only be to allow the media, and by association, the public, to forget about the whole thing. Meanwhile, they continue hunting him and take him out a little more quietly. Then, in June, on pg. 23 of the LA Times, a little article appears, "Unnamed homeless man found dead under Santa Monica Freeway overpass. Cause of death, unknown."

Rebuttal 2: Ric Romero is actually a TV reporter in...dun, dun, DUN!!!... Los Angeles!!!~!!11!1!

:-)

The cops haven't let their guard down yet, so yeah. As for the public forgetting, I guess it matters which sectors of the public forget.

So anyway, how much is it going to cost to keep an indefinite security detail on everyone on the list and their families until 'there's nothing left to be done'?

FAnArticle:

Police will continue to protect dozens of officers and others Dorner threatened in his manifesto, Neiman said.

"The task force is still in place, and they will work until there's nothing left to be done," he said. "We don't just stop a murder case simply because we think that the suspect in that case" is dead.

As for not stopping a murder case, it is to laugh. I guess they only stop murder cases for us little people.  Get kicked in the face by a ...


Hey, we're playing a game here. Either contribute your own crazy conspiracy theory or GTFO ;-)

Hmm, maybe the reverse vampires are working WITH the saucer people. Holy shiat, EVERYBODY PANIC!
 
2013-02-14 02:29:44 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: DROxINxTHExWIND: tenpoundsofcheese: Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire.

I doubt he shot himself in the head while lying on his back.
Nor do I think that if he was standing and shot himself in the head, that he would end up neatly lying on his back with his butt protecting the wallet from the flames.

But, you DO believe that a passport fell out of a man's belongings as the plane that he was hijacking plunged into a skyscraper and landed on the ground, intact, where investigators found it? Oooookay.

huh?  wtf are you saying?

I'm just comparing conspiracy theories. Many of the folks here talking about how impossible it would be for Dorner's ID to survive a fire have no problem swallowing the story about one of the 9/11 hijacker's passports being found in the rubble of two skyscrapers after the plane he was in smashed into one of them.

Meh.  The 911 passport was found several blocks from the WTC, not in the ruble. I am not surprised that after a plane hits a building that it's contents would get thrown all over the place.  Momentum how does it work?


Sooooooo, the ID escaped the fireball that resulted from the collision, flew out of the building that the plane went into, landed several blocks away, and was found amongst the millions of pieces of paper that flew around after two office buildings were destroyed? And you think that's plausible? But, its not possible for a wallet to survive a house fire.

Lol. Ok.
 
2013-02-14 02:30:03 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.


The LAPD is an American police force. It is supposed to stand for justice. The second one of their own died, they started on a vengeance rampage to prove a point to 'cop-killers'. Never mind that people die every day and they sometimes give no farks at all; this time they were willing to terrorize civilians, attach their name to borderline-racism,  SHOOT AT FARKING CIVILIANS, and finally kill Dorner in what is usually known as the most painful death possible.

Spontaneous combustion does not exist. Either bears have learned to use matches, or the LAPD knew they ran the risk of basically torturing a human being to death in the name of vengeance and pride. That is wrong. Dorner's crimes should have been punished, but what the LAPD has done is an affront to everything America should stand for.

Maybe you should spend less time worrying about a dead man and more worrying about the people you're absolving of fairly unforgiveable sins. The people shot at in Dorner's name by the LAPD would thank you.
 
2013-02-14 02:31:28 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: He shot pigs, not innocent people.


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