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(Gawker)   Apparently some people question how a fire could burn a human body beyond recognition while leaving a perfectly intact drivers license handily available. Fark: The third copy of the license found in a week   (gawker.com) divider line 281
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2013-02-14 09:14:34 AM  
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2013-02-14 09:23:01 AM  
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2013-02-14 10:28:44 AM  
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2013-02-14 10:57:35 AM  
Third copy I can't explain but if had been laying on his back on the floor when the fire started and the wallet was in his pocket, yes it would have survived intact.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 10:58:09 AM  
It's funny how these carefully scripted conspiracies always involve really careless oversights like multiple wallets and phony shooting victim photographs.

At least we know that reporters never make lazy mistakes so obviously it's a conspiracy between Obama, the Israelis and the sekrit muslins.

Oh, and the UN too.
 
2013-02-14 11:19:38 AM  
Sounds like a job for Mulder and Scully.

*spooky music*
 
2013-02-14 11:24:40 AM  

vpb: It's funny how these carefully scripted conspiracies always involve really careless oversights like multiple wallets and phony shooting victim photographs.


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Yeah, photoshopped and obviously fake.
 
2013-02-14 12:04:22 PM  

cretinbob: Third copy I can't explain but if had been laying on his back on the floor when the fire started and the wallet was in his pocket, yes it would have survived intact.


Well, that would explain why he first laid down before shooting himself (a well known suicide technique)

He wouldn't want to take the risk that if he was standing that when his body crumpled to the floor, that his wallet would have been at risk of burning. He probably also had some frequent buyer cards (jamba juice?) that he didn't want to ruin.
 
2013-02-14 12:09:14 PM  
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2013-02-14 12:10:48 PM  
Or there's the possibility that the wallet skeptics have found the one flaw in a carefully scripted police conspiracy, and that the police made a conscious decision to lie to everyone about finding Dorner's wallet in multiple places, in an effort to...well, it's not clear why the police would do that. General mayhem?

Cover up the fact that Dorner's body wasn't found in the cabin?

I tend to believe it was Dorner in the cabin tho, with or without the ID.  The other possibilities are that: a) it is someone else's body in the cabin, b) no body was found in the cabin.  The ID thing doesn't really exculpate the police from intentionally burning the cabin down.
 
2013-02-14 12:28:24 PM  
Dorner got cornered.
 
2013-02-14 12:30:13 PM  
From the comments

"I try not to be too tinfoil, but burning is really convenient since nobody can eyeball and identify the body that way. It's more important for the LAPD to publicly be seen to kill Dorner than for them to ACTUALLY kill Dorner. Think about it."


WTF? If Dorner wasn't really the guy in the cabin, he will surely attempt to kill again. How the hell would it profit the LAPD to fake his death?
 
2013-02-14 12:30:49 PM  
All police carry fire proof licenses. Everyone knows that.
 
2013-02-14 12:31:33 PM  
I'm confused... so NOW the big conspiracy is that the LAPD has faked this guys death to help him escape? I mean, if that isn't the case, all this guy would have to do to take down the department is pop up alive some place. I'm not sure what this particular piece of conspiracy theory would accomplish for the participants.
 
2013-02-14 12:31:46 PM  

SlothB77: Or there's the possibility that the wallet skeptics have found the one flaw in a carefully scripted police conspiracy, and that the police made a conscious decision to lie to everyone about finding Dorner's wallet in multiple places, in an effort to...well, it's not clear why the police would do that. General mayhem?

Cover up the fact that Dorner's body wasn't found in the cabin?

I tend to believe it was Dorner in the cabin tho, with or without the ID.  The other possibilities are that: a) it is someone else's body in the cabin, b) no body was found in the cabin.  The ID thing doesn't really exculpate the police from intentionally burning the cabin down.


But it does now allow LAPD to hunt Dorner down & kill him without press coverage or overt observation. "Yeah, that was Dorner - we found his ID. You can stop covering the story now. Go home. Move along. Move along."
 
2013-02-14 12:31:49 PM  
Because murder.
 
2013-02-14 12:32:20 PM  
This guy was standing up the jackboots of Obama's tyranny so had him silenced!
 
2013-02-14 12:32:45 PM  
Guy was a crazy and dangerous and I certainly hope he's dead.........but......it would be kind of awesome in a Rambo'ish way if he had stashed a body up there and started the fire for just such an escape
 
2013-02-14 12:32:59 PM  

Captain Darling: From the comments

"I try not to be too tinfoil, but burning is really convenient since nobody can eyeball and identify the body that way. It's more important for the LAPD to publicly be seen to kill Dorner than for them to ACTUALLY kill Dorner. Think about it."


WTF? If Dorner wasn't really the guy in the cabin, he will surely attempt to kill again. How the hell would it profit the LAPD to fake his death?


And better:
He really thinks we can't identify a burnt body?
 
2013-02-14 12:33:34 PM  
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How they ID'd him.
 
2013-02-14 12:33:59 PM  

Surool: I'm confused... so NOW the big conspiracy is that the LAPD has faked this guys death to help him escape?


Conspiracy theorists are a funny bunch.
 
2013-02-14 12:34:02 PM  
Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.
 
2013-02-14 12:34:43 PM  

Deep Contact: All police carry fire proof licenses. Everyone knows that.


They also have a serrated edge, and in a pinch can act as a church key.
 
2013-02-14 12:36:03 PM  
This whole thing is strange. I'm waiting for the coroner, a maybe even a little more evidence, like no more shootings in the next week.
 
2013-02-14 12:37:18 PM  

Captain Darling: From the comments

"I try not to be too tinfoil, but burning is really convenient since nobody can eyeball and identify the body that way. It's more important for the LAPD to publicly be seen to kill Dorner than for them to ACTUALLY kill Dorner. Think about it."


WTF? If Dorner wasn't really the guy in the cabin, he will surely attempt to kill again. How the hell would it profit the LAPD to fake his death?


What if the officers involved were sympathizers or agreed with... I can't finish this.
 
2013-02-14 12:37:41 PM  
It's driver license, not drivers license.
 
2013-02-14 12:37:56 PM  
On 9/11 the government claimed one of the highjackers paasports was found in the debri of the trade centers. Farkers defended that.
 
2013-02-14 12:39:30 PM  
What if it was a body who was burned (like in Fletch) and they planted his license on the body to give the cops the slip?
Long enough to get to Mexico.
 
2013-02-14 12:39:43 PM  

Deep Contact: All police carry fire proof licenses. Everyone knows that.


They also carry throw-down evidence for when they need it
 
2013-02-14 12:39:52 PM  
Okay class, who didn't get the memo that cop killers are going to die when the cops catch up to them? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
2013-02-14 12:40:13 PM  
So..... There's still a chance?
 
2013-02-14 12:40:45 PM  
 
2013-02-14 12:40:48 PM  
Is such a thing even possbile?

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And  the answer is YES!
 
2013-02-14 12:41:40 PM  

cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.



No, it's "driver's license", not "driver license".
 
2013-02-14 12:41:43 PM  
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Looks legit to me.
 
2013-02-14 12:42:10 PM  

cfroelic: It's driver license, not drivers license.


"I'm 007243911, and I have a license to drive."
 
2013-02-14 12:43:15 PM  

Captain Darling: WTF? If Dorner wasn't really the guy in the cabin, he will surely attempt to kill again.


No he wouldn't.  He gets a free pass if everyone thinks he's dead:  The police won't be looking for him, he won't be on "America's Most Wanted" or whatever, and people who see him, if they do recognize him, will merely shrug and say "Hey, he looks like that guy that got killed" to themselves.

That would give him time to plan out how he'll kill his other targets, oh, and they wouldn't be protected because there isn't a threat anymore.

Having said all that,

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He's dead, Jim.
 
2013-02-14 12:43:19 PM  
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2013-02-14 12:43:58 PM  
Same way they found a passport for the guy who flew into WTC.

Magic lamination.
 
2013-02-14 12:44:30 PM  
What a waste of conspiracy effort.  Who says a psycho didn't have multiple IDs, say a couple of credit cards left in a jacket he left behind while eluding police, a driver's license left somewhere else for the same reasons, and finally the bulk of his wallet with his old police ID passport at the final location?

And a body "burned beyond recognition" might simply be a melted head, but a portion of the body intact covering the final wallet.  It's not like the human body instantly degrades and self-immolates like a Fourth of July snake.
 
2013-02-14 12:44:38 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.


He shot pigs, not innocent people.
 
2013-02-14 12:44:46 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Easy, if you die on your back, and the fire gets you, your leather wallet will probably survive the fire. I've seen it first hand. 90 percent of the heat in a fire is on the ceiling, and as your wallet wouldn't be up there unless you farking glued it there, it's probably going to survive. farking conspiracy morans. And it bother's me not at all that they set it on fire. That's deadly force, there is no difference between that and shooting the asshole in the head. Both are deadly force, both were justified. At least he had a CHANCE with the fire, he could have come out. But he chose not to. So fark him. And fark all you jackasses who took this murdering asshole's side. Whatever valid point he had died when he started killing innocent people.


I dunno if they have released any other photos from the burnt out cabin but the one I seen looked like everything burnt up.  There was literally nothing left but ash.  Now I know things dont burn like a lot of people think they do.  I had to burn a lot of T.O. T.M. in teh military.  Them thick books wouldnt burn unless you took 1-2 pages out at a time and burnt them like that. 
Just saying this shiat doesnt really add up the way the police are saying.
 
2013-02-14 12:45:20 PM  
I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing nutter (I swear!), but I would totally believe that the LAPD meant to kill him and set the fire on purpose. To keep it from going to trial and letting him accuse them of a bunch of stuff and drag the whole thing out.
 
2013-02-14 12:45:24 PM  

rtaylor92: Guy was a crazy and dangerous and I certainly hope he's dead.........but......it would be kind of awesome in a Rambo'ish way if he had stashed a body up there and started the fire for just such an escape


Then they find the excavated tunnel he made under the cabin where he is holed up for a month.
 
2013-02-14 12:46:01 PM  

Stone Meadow: Okay class, who didn't get the memo that cop killers are going to die

become the victims of first degree, premeditated murder when the cops catch up to them? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

FTFY
 
2013-02-14 12:46:16 PM  

Surool: I'm confused... so NOW the big conspiracy is that the LAPD has faked this guys death to help him escape? I mean, if that isn't the case, all this guy would have to do to take down the department is pop up alive some place. I'm not sure what this particular piece of conspiracy theory would accomplish for the participants.


I think if they faked his death, it would be to cover up letting him escape and watching the place burn while someone else(Or maybe nobody) was inside, it would explain why they are waiting so long to positively ID the body. If he pops up again, they make up a story. If he decides to lay low they continue with the 'He's dead, Jim.' line.

It's a weird situation. You have cops firing upon two completely unrelated vehicles that only look similar because they are the same type of vehicle(A truck). They shoot up both of these vehicles with no warning whatsoever, and the drivers look nothing like the suspect. Next, you have this guy who supposedly went on this well-planned spree getting as far as Big Bear, setting his truck on fire, then just hanging out for 5 days? At the end, it's two days later, and there is no real clear story on what happened, including the identity of the body. On top of that, the police suddenly impose a media blackout and try to get people to stop reporting anything on Twitter. Add in the multiple accounts of absolutely, positively finding his wallet AND ID on 3 separate occasions, and it's easy to understand why people are questioning this one.

With the LAPD being known for corruption, lying and incompetence, it's really a no-brainer to question the official story. It's almost guaranteed that some part of it is completely fabricated.
 
2013-02-14 12:46:52 PM  

Oerath: I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing nutter (I swear!), but I would totally believe that the LAPD meant to kill him and set the fire on purpose. To keep it from going to trial and letting him accuse them of a bunch of stuff and drag the whole thing out.


Or to kill him because they were pissed and retaliating.
 
2013-02-14 12:47:01 PM  
You can apply for your license and claim it got lost in the mail. They will send you a duplicate. It's pretty easy.
 
2013-02-14 12:47:22 PM  
To answer the author, I could see the police lying about finding an ID in various places to make it seem like they are indeed on the trail.
 
2013-02-14 12:47:26 PM  
Easy. He had a Costanza wallet. That baby was so insulated and packed tight it burned slow like an cigar
 
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