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(The Chattanoogan)   Judge cowers as Sovereign Citizen unleashes torrent of legal justice upon our dysfunctional judicial system. And by "cowers," I mean "throws the book at"   (chattanoogan.com) divider line 32
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2013-02-14 12:13:49 PM  
12 votes:
I'd love to meet a "sovereign citizen" some day, it'd be even funnier if they asked to bum a cigarette and I could ask them for their customs paperwork and charge them an export tariff.
2013-02-14 12:40:29 PM  
7 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Here's a guy by that name in Chattanooga:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-kiesche/25/7b5/441

Huh.


Pardon me boy, is that the Chattanooga coo-coo?
2013-02-14 12:01:04 PM  
4 votes:
And by "throw the book at" we mean he was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

Though a $75 book could hurt when thrown, if it's one of those big coffee table books.

/ but I digress
2013-02-14 11:14:20 AM  
4 votes:
"...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."

That's just like the Liberal Media:  Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.
2013-02-14 06:53:51 PM  
3 votes:
He was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

"Kid, whad'ya get?"

"I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $75 and pick up the garbage."

"What were you arrested for, kid?"

"Driving without a license and insurance."

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said:

"And creating a nuisance."

And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.
2013-02-14 12:44:06 PM  
3 votes:

Famous Thamas: Woah, weapons grade derp there: "

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag.The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America."

Listen, and understand. That fringed flag is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
2013-02-14 12:22:05 PM  
3 votes:
Got out of a speeding ticket once because the cop was facing east which is a Muslim thing and a violation of my Christian rights
2013-02-14 12:18:32 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA: "His mother, who had come out to the car, asked if it was illegal to carry a gun in a car. "I always carry one," she said."

What's up with these Sovereign Citizens always having mommy around?
2013-02-14 12:50:22 PM  
2 votes:

Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?


No, which of course is just proof of how severely we are being oppressed.
2013-02-14 12:33:25 PM  
2 votes:
"Torrent of justice"

Plz seed!!!
2013-02-14 12:29:11 PM  
2 votes:

doubled99: Yeah!!! Authority rules!!!


Well, by definition, yes it does.

au·thor·i·ty ( -thôr -t , -th r -, ô-thôr -, ô-th r -). n. pl. au·thor·i·ties. 1. a. The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge
2013-02-14 12:19:20 PM  
2 votes:

clancifer: "...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."

That's just like the Liberal Media:  Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.


To be fair, it does appear that this individual is indeed crupid. He might even be stazy.
2013-02-14 12:17:47 PM  
2 votes:

SpdrJay: I think when you call yourself "sovereign" it's like asking the government to "come at me bro!"


Not at all. When you call yourself sovereign, the government is powerless to act against you.
2013-02-14 12:15:50 PM  
2 votes:
He tried the "You're not the boss of me!" defence? And it DIDN'T work?
2013-02-14 10:18:45 PM  
1 votes:
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OMG WHAT IS THIS CRAP!?
2013-02-14 04:59:51 PM  
1 votes:

danvon: FTFA: "His mother, who had come out to the car, asked if it was illegal to carry a gun in a car. "I always carry one," she said."

What's up with these Sovereign Citizens always having mommy around?


Well, SOMEONE needs to change their diaper when they wet themselves, and I'm sure as hell not going to do it...
2013-02-14 01:58:50 PM  
1 votes:

jaybeezey: These sovereign citizen guys are usually just racist meth dealers trying to avoid paying any taxes. I'm not aware of it ever working.


Just as well, what would it look like if it did work?

A judge declares "You're right - turns out we *don't* have authority to levy taxes or enforce laws. Everyone go home - civilization was fun while it lasted."
2013-02-14 12:53:30 PM  
1 votes:

over_and_done: red5ish: This guy reminds me of someone who feels invulnerable because he is in a crosswalk.

So, all cyclists everywhere, then?

/sorry for the offtopic snark
//15mph cyclist out coasting down the middle of the single-lane road this morning
///traffic backed up for miles behind him
////and yet, if we improved road safety by turning the arrogant fark into a hood ornament, we'd be the ones to go to jail
Vstill grumpy
V/this is how roman slashy numbers work, right?


Without in any way invalidating your frustration I must point out that there are lots more drivers than bikers and that there are more idiot drivers than all the idiot bikers added together. Don't even get me started on people bringing their double wide baby strollers into the grocery store.
2013-02-14 12:45:37 PM  
1 votes:

CheatCommando: MugzyBrown: If the US Colonies could do it with the British, why can't NJ do it with the US, or Newark with NJ, or the whatever neighborhood with Newark, etc

US Grant called. He'd like a word or two about events since 1776.


So if they held a vote in Oregon and 80% of the people voted that they didn't feel the US gov't represents their interests anymore and would like to be removed from the union, you think that the US gov't should forcibily make them change their mind?
2013-02-14 12:43:38 PM  
1 votes:

m00: Mid_mo_mad_man: Unless he's claiming police brutality the camera not working is not a big deal. You don't need video tape to prove no liscence and lack of insurance

Well you need it to prove proper procedure was followed. Depends on when it was turned off. Fruit of the poisoned tree, and all.




Perhaps. The thing is we are talking about a ticket costing 75 dollars. It's not like they found a dead hooker in his trunk. Trust me that's embrassing
2013-02-14 12:42:10 PM  
1 votes:

MugzyBrown: If the US Colonies could do it with the British, why can't NJ do it with the US, or Newark with NJ, or the whatever neighborhood with Newark, etc


US Grant called. He'd like a word or two about events since 1776.
2013-02-14 12:36:08 PM  
1 votes:

Famous Thamas: rufus-t-firefly: Did the courtroom have a FRINGED FLAG?!?!?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag.The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America.

Woah, weapons grade derp there.


Oh, there's even better stuff out there.

For instance, some people claim that the American flag isn't REALLY the American flag - it's the military flag. The U.S. Civil Flag for Peacetime is our REAL flag.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/uscivilflag.html

The examples are of U.S. Customs flag at customs houses.

This is particularly herptastic:

Before 1940, no U.S. flag, civil or military, flew within the forty-eight states except in federal settings and installations. Only state flags did. Since the 1935 institution of Social Security and the Buck Act of 1940, 4 U.S.C.S. Ch. 4 Sec. 104-113, by clever legal maneuvers the feds have entirely circumvented the U.S. Constitution, and have overlaid federal territorial jurisdiction on the sovereign States, bringing them under the admiralty/military jurisdiction of Law Merchant, the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), the law of Creditors and Debtors.

Since then the U.S. military flag appears beside, or in place of, the state flags in nearly all locations within the states. All of the state courts and even the municipal ones now openly display it. In the last half century they have more openly declared the military/admiralty law jurisdiction with the addition of the gold fringe to the flag, the military flag of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

Such has been the path that has brought us under the Law of the Military Flag. This should have raised serious questions from many citizens long ago, but we've been educated to listen and believe what we are told, not to ask questions, or think for ourselves and search for the truth.
2013-02-14 12:31:26 PM  
1 votes:

m00: Not very impressed with the police

>>The officer said the driver "challenged me with different codes and stuff at first."

Oh no, the driver probably has an obnoxious level of case law memorized for just this event. Well guess what, it's an officer's job to know the laws too.

>>A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working. He said under the new video setup that officers have no way to alter video.

Okay, now this is BS. The camera "wasn't working properly" and parts of the stop were missing? Judge should throw out the case based on this alone.


I'm surprised the guy didn't claim that the government had violated his due process and his corpus delecti by recording him without getting permission from the local posse comitatus and ipso facto etcetera.
2013-02-14 12:27:43 PM  
1 votes:

Circusdog320: guess it's okay to use roads funded by taxes....


Taxation is theft.

doubled99: Yeah!!! Authority rules!!!


Just ask this guy.
2013-02-14 12:27:30 PM  
1 votes:
I think "sovereign citizen" is the legal equivalent of the medical term "borderline personality", basically it boils down to the individual being an insufferable asshole who the world is suppose to accomodate.
2013-02-14 12:22:11 PM  
1 votes:
Did the courtroom have a FRINGED FLAG?!?!?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag.The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America.
2013-02-14 12:21:25 PM  
1 votes:
A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working. He said under the new video setup that officers have no way to alter video, which is why they just turn it off and call it a malfunction.
2013-02-14 12:18:50 PM  
1 votes:
They think they are so farking smart, and they don't know shiat. That's what i find amusing. Nice job judge.
2013-02-14 12:17:22 PM  
1 votes:

cubic_spleen: He likely won't have the money to pay the fines until he steals grandma's social security check.


Thank God for social security. How's a guy gonna keep tweaking without it?
2013-02-14 12:15:11 PM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: A $50 fine (plus possibly unlimited "court costs") is the maximum punishment by a city court judge in Tennessee. You have a right to a real trial if the fine is greater.


OMG DO CITY COURTS DISPLAY THE NAVAL FLAGS WITH THE GOLD FRINGE?
2013-02-14 12:13:42 PM  
1 votes:
These sovereign citizen guys are usually just racist meth dealers trying to avoid paying any taxes. I'm not aware of it ever working.
2013-02-14 11:55:00 AM  
1 votes:
This calls for P. Barnes and his taser.
 
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