If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Chattanoogan)   Judge cowers as Sovereign Citizen unleashes torrent of legal justice upon our dysfunctional judicial system. And by "cowers," I mean "throws the book at"   (chattanoogan.com) divider line 194
    More: Dumbass, Judges' Rules, judicial system, criminal justice, proof of insurance, justices, Norcross, Eric Kiesche  
•       •       •

16389 clicks; posted to Main » on 14 Feb 2013 at 12:05 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



194 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-02-14 04:48:04 PM
Maybe I should start acting like an 455.  I did not have my documents with me and got stopped for speeding, All in all, I paid about $500 in fines and was as cooperative as one could be. Just a 55/45, officer told me it was no big deal he'd already given out 5 in the same spot that day.  I was disappointed with myself, no tickets for years.
/unCSB


The people who promulgate this sovereign citizen stuff need to be shutdown. It's all just pure BS but they fool desperate people out of money for DVDs and books. I know someone who is caught up in it and you he is smart, very technical job and he is successful. But he eats this stuff up. sad



I know! It's worse than the gay rights people
 
2013-02-14 04:52:18 PM

MugzyBrown: So if they held a vote in Oregon and 80% of the people voted that they didn't feel the US gov't represents their interests anymore and would like to be removed from the union, you think that the US gov't should forcibily make them change their mind?


Yes. This is settled. Done. Over with. Your side lost the goddam war in 1865.
 
2013-02-14 04:52:48 PM

Dear Jerk: I was in court for a burned out headlight and the dumbass next to me tried this bs. The judge said something like 'you may not believe in the court, but the court believes in you.' Or maybe I saw that on a tv show. I don't know. Anyway, the judge made it clear that the defendant would lose with that strategy.


That's from Constantine. Except it's not a court line, it's God.
 
2013-02-14 04:59:51 PM

danvon: FTFA: "His mother, who had come out to the car, asked if it was illegal to carry a gun in a car. "I always carry one," she said."

What's up with these Sovereign Citizens always having mommy around?


Well, SOMEONE needs to change their diaper when they wet themselves, and I'm sure as hell not going to do it...
 
2013-02-14 05:05:15 PM
Back in the day, these nutbars got coats that tied in the back, and padded rooms. We need to bring those back.
 
2013-02-14 05:24:15 PM
As someone who has no respect for law or authority or society I'm getting a big kick out of all these posts.
 
2013-02-14 05:33:32 PM

DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.


I watch a lot of L&O (or used to) but im not familiar with the episode you are talking about, do you remember any guest stars?
 
2013-02-14 05:48:48 PM

Farce-Side: banandar123: tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on her

May I ask why a tiny asian girl  threw a book at you?

It's not that weird, that's the same kind of kink I'm into as well.


So what's the real basis behind this sovereign citizen crap?  Nobody's ever been able to really explain it to me.


Basically; sometime in the past( read 1930s-1960s) they believe that the constitution was amended. The contents of said amendment ( depending on the source either 14, 15 or 16) stripped you of your rights under the constitution. They think that, by filing forms in a very specific order at very specific times can get those rights back.

/ plus a large insurance policy the fed took out on you the day you were born.

// it's all utter loonacy
 
2013-02-14 06:36:53 PM

unchellmatt: clancifer: "...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."

That's just like the Liberal Media:  Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.

Yeah, but which one is which? They're awfully similar. The number of "Tea Party" people who gleefully misquote, ignore, or flat out don't know anything from the Constitution beyond the Second Amendment, and don't even get that right half the time,is about on par with the "Sovereign" loonies.


FTFY.

Remember, they're also largely the same crowd that thinks they can invalidate any law they don't like, just by quoting the 10th Amendment at it.

Of course, when you quote Cooper v. Aaron at them, they get a blank look.
 
2013-02-14 06:50:11 PM
It only works in a nation where no one can spank the smirk off a Judge.
 
2013-02-14 06:53:51 PM
He was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

"Kid, whad'ya get?"

"I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $75 and pick up the garbage."

"What were you arrested for, kid?"

"Driving without a license and insurance."

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said:

"And creating a nuisance."

And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.
 
2013-02-14 07:03:42 PM

Scrotastic Method: That's from Constantine. Except it's not a court line, it's God.


That's a fairly popular line with the clergy: About 20 years ago (long before Constantine) an orthodox Christian priest sort of made it into my circle of friends. After a bit he realized I'm an atheist, and every so often he's drop that little line out there. Heard it from a couple of others over the years as well. If the line was in Hellblazer he  mighthave picked it up there, but I doubt it. It's really sort of obvious so I imagine many people come up with it independently and think they're clever.
 
2013-02-14 07:06:34 PM
violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.
.
 
2013-02-14 07:33:09 PM
The man went to court with supporting evidence.The police had partial evidence and admitted to it being altered. Regardless if the man is "out there" he appears to be correct.This just one more example of a convoluted  legal system being abused.
 
2013-02-14 07:34:04 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.
.


We are men of violence.
 
2013-02-14 08:09:11 PM

DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.


Are you sure it wasn't the episode where Jack McCoy grossly manipulated the law to make a political statement?  I hated that one.
 
2013-02-14 08:38:23 PM

Circusdog320: sovereign citizen just means shirking responsibility

guess it's okay to use roads funded by taxes....


Roads are paid for by gas taxes, mostly.
 
2013-02-14 08:43:24 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: JohnAnnArbor: I don't think any islands are unclaimed anymore, except in the Antarctic.

I'm sure some shiatty island nation would agree to sell an uninhabited island for enough money.  This one looks nice: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/kanacea-island.  I bet the Koch brothers could offer Fiji a few billion dollars and buy the island with an agreement to secede after purchase and get official diplomatic recognition thrown in with the deal.


Watch how fast that theory goes downhill when some corporation discovers the island sits on a gas or oil field. (see Spratleys)
You and your sovereign citizenship will be lucky to get a ride back to civilization.
 
2013-02-14 08:50:04 PM

Chuck Wagon: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?


A bunch of these wackos also do weird things like copyright their own name. Then when they inevitably become involved in some sort of legal dispute they claim that they are entitled to damages every time a document has their name listed. So they sue the judge, court reporter, and basically anyone involved in the legal proceedings. Sometimes instead of suing the wacko will just file a lien on their houses.

Of course all of this nonsense gets slapped down in due time.

What I really don't understand is why these wackos keep trying this nonsense even when every other time this stuff has been tried it has failed miserably.


They keep trying it because they don't want anything to do with the 'system' within which they were born, and to which they are 'involuntarily beholden.'  I don't know any sovereigns, though I have read a bit about it and that seems the most likely general explanation.
 
2013-02-14 09:15:06 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Cargo-cult law.  They think if they say long, legal-sounding words, their case is airtight.


Is that the technical term? I just considered them armchair lawyers.

My favorite is when they argue over how their "Habeus corpus 14th due process civil rights" have been violated during a consultation and then proceed to "correct" me when I tell them they are screwed.
 
2013-02-14 09:59:08 PM

Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?


:David-Wynn: Miller has never lost a case.

http://www.dwmlc.com/

/everyone who's actually tried his shiat in a real courtroom has, though
 
2013-02-14 09:59:45 PM

Vexed Thespian: DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.

I watch a lot of L&O (or used to) but im not familiar with the episode you are talking about, do you remember any guest stars?


If it's the one I'm thinking of, the ringleader was the same actor who played the disfigured burn victim on "American Horror Story."  I think it was early Jack McCoy era.

He's been on L&O a few times, in different roles.
 
2013-02-14 10:03:17 PM

Vexed Thespian: DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.

I watch a lot of L&O (or used to) but im not familiar with the episode you are talking about, do you remember any guest stars?


Found it:

http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Nullification
 
2013-02-14 10:03:29 PM

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?

:David-Wynn: Miller has never lost a case.

http://www.dwmlc.com/

/everyone who's actually tried his shiat in a real courtroom has, though


Is that website even in english?  I stared at it for 5 minutes and I still can't decipher those hieroglyphics.
 
2013-02-14 10:06:32 PM

85blue: The man went to court with supporting evidence.The police had partial evidence and admitted to it being altered. Regardless if the man is "out there" he appears to be correct.This just one more example of a convoluted  legal system being abused.


Uh, he was found guilty of driving without a license and lack of proof of insurance.  What sort of 'evidence' do you think he presented aside from his crazed idiot ramblings?
 
2013-02-14 10:10:26 PM

mooseyfate: Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?

:David-Wynn: Miller has never lost a case.

http://www.dwmlc.com/

/everyone who's actually tried his shiat in a real courtroom has, though

Is that website even in english?  I stared at it for 5 minutes and I still can't decipher those hieroglyphics.


Of course not - everyday English is too vague and imprecise for the likes of :David-Wynn: Miller.  What you're witnessing there is the power of QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR.  No, seriously.  His somewhat less-cryptic personal page is here:

http://www.davidwynnmiller.com/

That one is required to be somewhat more easily parsed, since he's trying to sell you something.  Naturally.
 
2013-02-14 10:18:09 PM
www.parisdigest.com

What an amazing painting! Truly known the world over, and throughout time.
 
2013-02-14 10:18:45 PM
reviewsoftings.files.wordpress.com

OMG WHAT IS THIS CRAP!?
 
2013-02-14 10:32:06 PM
The officer said the driver "challenged me with different codes and stuff at first."
The officer said he decided to call for backup.

That is hilarious.
 
2013-02-14 11:19:04 PM
Wow. He whipped out all that derp, for just $75 plus court costs? What an asshole.
 
2013-02-14 11:25:41 PM
poorjon, FTW.
 
2013-02-15 12:03:55 AM

Chuck Wagon: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?


A bunch of these wackos also do weird things like copyright their own name. Then when they inevitably become involved in some sort of legal dispute they claim that they are entitled to damages every time a document has their name listed. So they sue the judge, court reporter, and basically anyone involved in the legal proceedings. Sometimes instead of suing the wacko will just file a lien on their houses.

Of course all of this nonsense gets slapped down in due time.

What I really don't understand is why these wackos keep trying this nonsense even when every other time this stuff has been tried it has failed miserably.


And they think that by adding weird stuff to their names, it either exempts them from having to pay social security, or income tax, or exempts them from all US government jurisdiction (I don't remember the details of the derp), so they have names like Johnny! Tea&Bagger.
 
2013-02-15 12:04:37 AM

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?

:David-Wynn: Miller has never lost a case.

http://www.dwmlc.com/

/everyone who's actually tried his shiat in a real courtroom has, though



Oh yeah.  Him.

He's a special kind of crazy.

My favorite bits are where he claims to have been dead for 35 minutes, hasn't slept for 8 years after that incident, and also hasn't aged since it.


He's almost L. Ron levels of nuts.
 
2013-02-15 12:07:17 AM

semiotix: m00: Not very impressed with the police

>>The officer said the driver "challenged me with different codes and stuff at first."

Oh no, the driver probably has an obnoxious level of case law memorized for just this event. Well guess what, it's an officer's job to know the laws too.

Well... no, not really. It's an officer's job to know what the limits of his reasonable authority are in a given situation, not every philosophical nuance of the controlling opinion of the appellate court that established those limits back in 1903 with the landmark case of  Joe v. Schmoe. It sounds like this guy rattled off a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to try to confuse the cop in question into forgetting that it's okay to pull someone over when you witness a traffic violation. Not surprisingly, it didn't work. The correct procedure in that case is to write the ticket and let the esteemed legal theorist explain to the traffic court judge why school zone speed limits don't apply to vehicles with an odd number of wheels.


Right.  And even less so to have any sort of logical response to being told that due to some Admiralty Law subsection, before the 1882 revision of the law, blah blah blah means that the nutjob doesn't have to obey traffic laws.  Cops have to know the real law as it applies to their jobs, not complete delusional nonsense with the veneer of legalese.
 
2013-02-15 12:09:52 AM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.
.


Pretty much.  If you're in the US, the title to your house traces back to 'right by conquest' over the Native Americans or 'right by military victory' over the Brits.  All brought to you by the gold-fringed flag bearing US government.
 
2013-02-15 01:01:11 AM
wait, you mean my rights don't come from almighty gawd?  They are actually the result of a compact made between the occupants of the asylum?  I've never had a clearer picture of America than that.  Explains everything.
 
2013-02-15 03:32:51 AM
Looks like that GED in law really paid off for him.
 
2013-02-15 08:51:38 AM

Chuck Wagon: Citrate1007: Has a sovereign citizen ever won a case?


A bunch of these wackos also do weird things like copyright their own name. Then when they inevitably become involved in some sort of legal dispute they claim that they are entitled to damages every time a document has their name listed. So they sue the judge, court reporter, and basically anyone involved in the legal proceedings. Sometimes instead of suing the wacko will just file a lien on their houses.

Of course all of this nonsense gets slapped down in due time.

What I really don't understand is why these wackos keep trying this nonsense even when every other time this stuff has been tried it has failed miserably.


I dunno, maybe the same reason Presidents get re-elected after they showed for four years that they are idiots. Wanting to believe can be a very strong motivator
 
2013-02-15 12:23:14 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Cargo-cult law.  They think if they say long, legal-sounding words, their case is airtight.


They need to honor their queen, Orly Taitz, and be sure to capitalize "Patriotic American" in their filings.

Oh, and call the judge hearing your case a traitor...

that always helps.

/that doesn't always help
 
2013-02-15 12:25:15 PM

PYROY: It seems unlikely that a person could ever receive a fair trial when going up against the police since the judge and cops are on the same team.


Kinda true, yet, not really the end of society.

My defense attorney buddy puts it this way:  90% of his clients are guilty of 90% of what the cops allege they did.

He basically keeps the system honest on the 10 percent remainders.
 
2013-02-15 12:26:15 PM

banandar123: tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on her

May I ask why a tiny asian girl  threw a book at you?


Yeah, I'm curious too...that usually costs me extra.
 
2013-02-15 12:35:55 PM

Ehcks: Farce-Side: MugzyBrown: I just don't agree with the idea that some guys signed a contract 250 years ago and everybody who happens to be born within imaginary lines are forever bound by that contract.

That's the thing. You can leave. You are not forced to stay within those imaginary lines.

Exactly. When you turn 18 you are legally able to attempt to emigrate. If you decide to stay, you are consenting to the laws of the country. If you then also get a job with a taxable income, you are consenting to pay taxes on that income.

If you don't like it, GTFO.


Pretty much this.

Odd how none of these clowns ever emigrate to Somalia, which has pretty much zero federal law to intrude on their precious bodily fluids....
 
2013-02-15 01:08:43 PM
"A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working."

How convenient. I see this happening a lot in the future.
 
2013-02-15 08:56:43 PM

NephilimNexus: "A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working."

How convenient. I see this happening a lot in the future.


What?  People only quoting the parts of an article that are beneficial to their argument in a deliberately misleading attempt to fan faux flames of outrage?  I'm pretty sure that's been happening for a looooong time.
 
Displayed 44 of 194 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report