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(The Chattanoogan)   Judge cowers as Sovereign Citizen unleashes torrent of legal justice upon our dysfunctional judicial system. And by "cowers," I mean "throws the book at"   (chattanoogan.com) divider line 194
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2013-02-14 10:54:26 AM  
Good.
 
2013-02-14 11:02:57 AM  
The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.
 
2013-02-14 11:14:20 AM  
"...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."

That's just like the Liberal Media:  Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.
 
2013-02-14 11:55:00 AM  
This calls for P. Barnes and his taser.
 
2013-02-14 12:01:04 PM  
And by "throw the book at" we mean he was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

Though a $75 book could hurt when thrown, if it's one of those big coffee table books.

/ but I digress
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 12:05:30 PM  
He was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

A $50 fine (plus possibly unlimited "court costs") is the maximum punishment by a city court judge in Tennessee. You have a right to a real trial if the fine is greater.

In my area he'd be offered a deal that would set him back a couple hundred dollars and keep the conviction off his record if he got a license. And he would defy the court and refuse to get a license, and the judge would be annoyed at him, and trouble would follow.
 
2013-02-14 12:10:27 PM  
I think when you call yourself "sovereign" it's like asking the government to "come at me bro!"
 
2013-02-14 12:13:17 PM  

clancifer: "...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."

That's just like the Liberal Media:  Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.


Yeah, but which one is which? They're awfully similar. The number of "Tea Party" people who gleefully misquote, ignore, or flat out don't know anything from the Constitution beyond the Second Amendment is about on par with the "Sovereign" loonies.
 
2013-02-14 12:13:42 PM  
These sovereign citizen guys are usually just racist meth dealers trying to avoid paying any taxes. I'm not aware of it ever working.
 
2013-02-14 12:13:46 PM  

Man On A Mission: And by "throw the book at" we mean he was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

Though a $75 book could hurt when thrown, if it's one of those big coffee table books.

/ but I digress


i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on her
 
2013-02-14 12:13:49 PM  
I'd love to meet a "sovereign citizen" some day, it'd be even funnier if they asked to bum a cigarette and I could ask them for their customs paperwork and charge them an export tariff.
 
2013-02-14 12:14:08 PM  
Soon.
 
2013-02-14 12:14:17 PM  
I dunno.....my policy is not to fark with the cops if I'm ever stopped, if at all possible.

If you start arguing with the cops and they call for backup (as in this case)....it's game over, man.
 
2013-02-14 12:14:36 PM  
I was in court for a burned out headlight and the dumbass next to me tried this bs. The judge said something like 'you may not believe in the court, but the court believes in you.' Or maybe I saw that on a tv show. I don't know. Anyway, the judge made it clear that the defendant would lose with that strategy.
 
2013-02-14 12:15:11 PM  

ZAZ: A $50 fine (plus possibly unlimited "court costs") is the maximum punishment by a city court judge in Tennessee. You have a right to a real trial if the fine is greater.


OMG DO CITY COURTS DISPLAY THE NAVAL FLAGS WITH THE GOLD FRINGE?
 
2013-02-14 12:15:50 PM  
He tried the "You're not the boss of me!" defence? And it DIDN'T work?
 
2013-02-14 12:16:11 PM  

Man On A Mission: And by "throw the book at" we mean he was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs on charges of not having a driver's license or proof of insurance and $25 and court costs on a light law violation.

Though a $75 book could hurt when thrown, if it's one of those big coffee table books.

/ but I digress


If he's anything like all other Sovereign Citizens/Tea Partiers, he is unemployed, sucking on the gummint teat, and if he is younger than 40, living in his momma's basement. He likely won't have the money to pay the fines until he steals grandma's social security check.
 
2013-02-14 12:16:23 PM  
Cargo-cult law.  They think if they say long, legal-sounding words, their case is airtight.
 
2013-02-14 12:17:22 PM  

cubic_spleen: He likely won't have the money to pay the fines until he steals grandma's social security check.


Thank God for social security. How's a guy gonna keep tweaking without it?
 
2013-02-14 12:17:47 PM  

SpdrJay: I think when you call yourself "sovereign" it's like asking the government to "come at me bro!"


Not at all. When you call yourself sovereign, the government is powerless to act against you.
 
2013-02-14 12:17:49 PM  
It seems unlikely that a person could ever receive a fair trial when going up against the police since the judge and cops are on the same team.
 
m00
2013-02-14 12:18:18 PM  
Not very impressed with the police

>>The officer said the driver "challenged me with different codes and stuff at first."

Oh no, the driver probably has an obnoxious level of case law memorized for just this event. Well guess what, it's an officer's job to know the laws too.

>>A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working. He said under the new video setup that officers have no way to alter video.

Okay, now this is BS. The camera "wasn't working properly" and parts of the stop were missing? Judge should throw out the case based on this alone.
 
2013-02-14 12:18:32 PM  
FTFA: "His mother, who had come out to the car, asked if it was illegal to carry a gun in a car. "I always carry one," she said."

What's up with these Sovereign Citizens always having mommy around?
 
2013-02-14 12:18:50 PM  
They think they are so farking smart, and they don't know shiat. That's what i find amusing. Nice job judge.
 
2013-02-14 12:18:56 PM  

theorellior: I'd love to meet a "sovereign citizen" some day, it'd be even funnier if they asked to bum a cigarette and I could ask them for their customs paperwork and charge them an export tariff.


Go to a gun show, I am sure you can find more than one there
 
2013-02-14 12:19:20 PM  

clancifer: "...Kiesche, who was the speaker for a meeting of the Catoosa County Tea Party in 2011..."

That's just like the Liberal Media:  Always lumping in the crazy with the stupid.


To be fair, it does appear that this individual is indeed crupid. He might even be stazy.
 
2013-02-14 12:19:28 PM  

tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on her


May I ask why a tiny asian girl  threw a book at you?
 
2013-02-14 12:19:31 PM  
So for $75 he gets to spend the rest of his life telling all his fellow goobers how he stood up to the man and made his stand
 
2013-02-14 12:20:01 PM  

DamnYankees: The single most frustrating, infuriating episode of Law & Order ever was about sovereign citizens. Just felt like pointing that out.


And that was most likely toned down just so people could stand watching.
 
2013-02-14 12:20:03 PM  
He said it is a violation to have the high beams on within 500 feet of an approaching vehicle and within 300 feet of a vehicle you are trailing.

I hate it when drivers are inconsiderate like this. HURR DURR AH HAVES TH' RIGHT-O-WAY...

The sad thing is we need to have such a rule because people (like Mr NRA/libertarian/Teabagger/redneck here) are such rude assholes.
 
2013-02-14 12:20:16 PM  
This guy reminds me of someone who feels invulnerable because he is in a crosswalk.
 
2013-02-14 12:20:26 PM  

stevetherobot: SpdrJay: I think when you call yourself "sovereign" it's like asking the government to "come at me bro!"

Not at all. When you call yourself sovereign, the government is powerless to act against you.


Yet, they live in a place where the government is much bigger and more powerful than them, they use the roads and infrastructure that the government has paid for...
 
2013-02-14 12:21:25 PM  
A tape was shown of the incident, though Kiesche claimed it had been altered and that parts were missing. The officer said initially a camera was not working. He said under the new video setup that officers have no way to alter video, which is why they just turn it off and call it a malfunction.
 
2013-02-14 12:21:51 PM  
Read up on the "Sovereign Citizen" movement, if you want a nervous laugh.  Complete and total crackers, every element of it.
 
2013-02-14 12:22:05 PM  
Got out of a speeding ticket once because the cop was facing east which is a Muslim thing and a violation of my Christian rights
 
2013-02-14 12:22:11 PM  
Did the courtroom have a FRINGED FLAG?!?!?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag.The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America.
 
2013-02-14 12:22:28 PM  

banandar123: tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on her

May I ask why a tiny asian girl  threw a book at you?


It's not that weird, that's the same kind of kink I'm into as well.


So what's the real basis behind this sovereign citizen crap?  Nobody's ever been able to really explain it to me.
 
2013-02-14 12:23:40 PM  
Not surprising he's a NRA member!
 
2013-02-14 12:24:30 PM  

Farce-Side: So what's the real basis behind this sovereign citizen crap?


Derp.
 
mhd
2013-02-14 12:24:42 PM  
50 dollar fine?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-14 12:25:25 PM  

red5ish: This guy reminds me of someone who feels invulnerable because he is in a crosswalk.


So, all cyclists everywhere, then?

/sorry for the offtopic snark
//15mph cyclist out coasting down the middle of the single-lane road this morning
///traffic backed up for miles behind him
////and yet, if we improved road safety by turning the arrogant fark into a hood ornament, we'd be the ones to go to jail
Vstill grumpy
V/this is how roman slashy numbers work, right?
 
2013-02-14 12:25:51 PM  
Sovereign Citizen, there is no bigger douche.
 
2013-02-14 12:26:17 PM  
As per the headline, Judge throws the book at as Sovereign Citizen unleashes torrent of legal justice upon our dysfunctional judicial system. That just doesn't make much sense.
 
2013-02-14 12:26:24 PM  

Farce-Side: So what's the real basis behind this sovereign citizen crap? Nobody's ever been able to really explain it to me.


Real Americans believing that they are a rock, they are an island, and that none of your "laws" apply to them, so they can keep doing whatever they want, like cooking meth or shooting neighbors' pets.
 
2013-02-14 12:26:26 PM  
Is "Kiesche" pronounced "quiche"?  'Cause that could be annoying over a lifetime.
 
2013-02-14 12:26:44 PM  

Farce-Side: banandar123: tlchwi02: i got hit with a 75 dollar book in the neck once, and you bet it hurt. tiny little asian girl turned out had a heck of an arm on her

May I ask why a tiny asian girl  threw a book at you?

It's not that weird, that's the same kind of kink I'm into as well.


So what's the real basis behind this sovereign citizen crap?  Nobody's ever been able to really explain it to me.



The government makes them pay taxes and obey laws, and they think that isn't fair.

That's about all there is to it.
 
2013-02-14 12:26:44 PM  
sovereign citizen just means shirking responsibility

guess it's okay to use roads funded by taxes....
 
2013-02-14 12:27:00 PM  
Yeah!!! Authority rules!!!
 
2013-02-14 12:27:30 PM  
I think "sovereign citizen" is the legal equivalent of the medical term "borderline personality", basically it boils down to the individual being an insufferable asshole who the world is suppose to accomodate.
 
2013-02-14 12:27:40 PM  
this needs rules

I say you can only consider your self a soveriegn citizen once you acquire either

1 a nuclear arsenal
or
2 a superpower ( and a really good one at that i.e not shooting webs or climbing walls so superman level stuff)

good luck with both.
 
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