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2013-02-14 02:52:21 PM

ACunningPlan: person A has debilitating social anxiety which prevents them forming relationships the usual way because that involves interacting with strangers. However if charged for the experience and told it will help them manage said disorder, shy person will suddenly drop all their inhibitions, spend time with a bunch of strangers and tell them of their personal difficulties.


This is exactly why I haven't gone to the free counseling I was offered.
 
2013-02-14 02:53:59 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: TaterTot_HotDish: As a woman who has occasionally been hit on by shy guys: this is awesome.  Can more guys take classes like this?  I fell in love with my husband because he was shy and it was sweet and endearing - other guys I have met have been shy and it was as awkward as a prairie dog farking a hippo.

I will find an opportunity to use this line today.


It's going into my weekly status report if it's the last thing I do.
 
2013-02-14 02:54:42 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?

Feeling shy? Lonely? New Extravertofil can help you get back in the game by reducing inhibitions and making it easier to engage with the opposite sex. Ask your doctor today if Extravertofil is right for you.

Side effects of Extravertofil may include ill-advised posting of embarrassing pictures on Facebook, beer goggling, hangovers, regrettable hookups, skeletal xylophoning, and REO speedlung. Women who are pregnant should not use Extravertofil because nobody wants to hit that. In rare instances, hard partying lasting more than 16 hours may occur. Seek medical attention immediately if this happens to you. Alcoholics and narcotics users should not use Extravertofil as its active ingredients are alcohol and cocaine.


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2013-02-14 02:55:16 PM
4) You really are an asshole subby.
 
2013-02-14 02:56:25 PM
I want to know when they are going to determine that being an a-hole is a "disorder" and come up with the pill to fix that. I wouldn't mind if a few more people were doped up and less douchey.
 
2013-02-14 03:01:08 PM
I always got more girls when I wasn't trying to get more girls. Once I decide to just have a fun night with my friends goofing around, the girls seem to appear, sometimes as unwanted distractions. Depends on how much I've had to drink and what drugs are involved.
 
2013-02-14 03:02:22 PM

AgentBang: I want to know when they are going to determine that being an a-hole is a "disorder" and come up with the pill to fix that. I wouldn't mind if a few more people were doped up and less douchey.


Who are you to say it isn't? *I'm* the Victim™ here. Give me money.
 
2013-02-14 03:04:48 PM
There is a rather large difference between the kind of shyness you can fix with a little alcohol and a disabling terror of personal interaction.
One of the reasons I started Farking was a hope that anonymous interaction would lead to easier "real" interaction. It didn't work. I seem normal when I interact with people, but that's only due to years of practicing coping strategies. I tried the 'have a few drinks' method for years but found I still couldn't speak to women unless I was so drunk I was incoherent. The only way I can talk to women in public is convine myself of their unavailability. In fact, it's bad enough that I rarely post anything but lame attempts at humor even with the anonymity of Fark. Just typing this personal of a response is causing an anxiety reaction.
To sum up, in spite of being incomprehensible to most, shyness can be debilitating.
 
2013-02-14 03:06:09 PM

A Terrible Human: ACunningPlan: person A has debilitating social anxiety which prevents them forming relationships the usual way because that involves interacting with strangers. However if charged for the experience and told it will help them manage said disorder, shy person will suddenly drop all their inhibitions, spend time with a bunch of strangers and tell them of their personal difficulties.

This is exactly why I haven't gone to the free counseling I was offered.


Don't blame you:)
 
2013-02-14 03:06:30 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: my herniated disc: what about social laziness disorder?  Can someone give me an insta-extrovert, bubbly, eyelash batting, flirtacious pill??  That facade is so much work and I am way to lazy to bother with it.

the generic is called booze. there are myriad brand names to choose from.



Its a fine line... too much makes me tired and even more introverted. (and pukey, a sure social turn-off)


maybe I should try cocaine!  3 million Albertans can't be wrong!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 03:08:25 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: vpb:

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Yeah that's it. Compare PTSD to shyness. See how that works out for you.

While you're at it compare child prostitution to not given a kid a participation trophy.


Why not?  PTSD isn't any more or less real than Social Anxiety Disorder.  Back then we had ignorant rednecks who claimed that there ws no such thing as PTSD and now we have ignorant clowns who say the same thing about Social Anxiety Disorder.

Times change, but ignorance remains the same.
 
2013-02-14 03:09:41 PM
Maybe this may help:

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2013-02-14 03:10:26 PM

Slaxl: You think shyness is a social disorder that's just been invented recently so someone can make money? That's a bit silly, don't you think?


The disorder is real, but the bar getting lowered and pushed with self-diagnosis so that everyone can cash in is bullshiat.

I guess Aspergers and ADHD are out of fashion now.
 
2013-02-14 03:12:45 PM
Feeling inferior is something that all of us have had to deal with at times. This is the whole reason behind social anxiety. Not one of us has ever not had this feeling at one time or another. You don't need some dime store doctor to tell you this, get over it, grab some balls from the nutsack and get into having a good time. Face your fears and learn that they're not your fears after all. Stop grasping for being perfect, no one is, we're all goofy and stupid. Let go of it and have a good time. Heck that girl you're talking to is just as self conscious as you are. Let it go. Be safe in knowing that you are who you are and no one, no one, can change you. You are who are and enjoy yourself for just that.....yourself.

/from the beginning of time
 
2013-02-14 03:15:51 PM

bigbadideasinaction: I guess Aspergers and ADHD are out of fashion now.


If I am not mistaken, the last rev of the DSM did away with aspergers.
 
2013-02-14 03:20:55 PM
I'd like to thank Subby and a healthy chunk of posters for making me realize this entire time I just needed to man up! All those psych sessions to get over picking up the phone, passing a stranger on the street without crossing it to avoid them, getting so anxious at social events with my (now ex!) wife that I couldn't go anywhere with her, were just money wasted on a corrupt, money grabbing medical field. All the free samples of meds I got until I found the right balance (a nice $4 generic) really drained my pocket-book and lined the corporate coffers of CEOs everywhere.

And don't even mention the psych ward visit!!! What was I thinking, being so depressed that I couldn't function even close to normally in social situations that I tried to end my life. Good thing that was fake too! Nevermind that I have an excellent job, pay my taxes to society, have never been on any sort of government assistance...I'm a gen Y-er! Gimme gimme gimme!

End rant: Some people need pills. As someone who went through 7 different meds before finding the right one, I'm guessing it's not a placebo effect. Therapy is also required though, cognitive is what worked well for me. I still suck socially but you can get to a point where its not terrible. Good enough though. I applaud the people doing this, the best way to get over a fear is to live it. Talking in front of a group with like-minded individuals is an amazing feeling.

tl;dr - fark you subby.
 
2013-02-14 03:23:42 PM
Now we can engineer a class-action suit against homeopathic placebos.

"Your honor, these zinc pills gave me Social Anxiety Disorder."

"Objection!  There's no way to prove this thing even exists or does anything!  Oh wait, nevermind"
 
2013-02-14 03:23:54 PM
is there a pill to cure farkers?
 
2013-02-14 03:27:12 PM
I used to be completely incapable of talking to women.  I'd stutter, blush, and say weird shiat from nervousness if I could even open my mouth at all.  I'd be fine in professional contexts, but just could not socialize.  The problem was only overcome when I learned to adopt a more misogynistic worldview.

Let me explain.

Nervousness talking to women comes from a place where you fear their rejection or forming a negative opinion of you.  If you can convince yourself that they don't matter, you're immune to the sting of rejection.  Who cares what she thinks?  She's just a piece of ass.  After I started thinking this way, I started approaching women.  At first I was terrible, caused a lot of offense, and was slapped more than once.  But flirting is a skill like any other skill, and eventually I learned.  Today I no longer hold women in contempt because I don't need to, the successes I gained being a misogynist gave me the skill set and confidence I needed to stop being one.
 
2013-02-14 03:28:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Slaxl: You think shyness is a social disorder that's just been invented recently so someone can make money? That's a bit silly, don't you think?

it's not that shyness is new. But now it's a "social disorder" that requires pills. I guess hitting the bar with your friends is to hard.

Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?


Go look up the four D's, you idiot. There is in fact a critera for this, and while modern psychology is basically shiat on a stick, it's not so hopeless it outright makes things up.

Also, it's usually not shyness. It's usually nearly having a panic attack in a social situation. That's a bit different.
 
2013-02-14 03:31:56 PM

PsiChick: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Slaxl: You think shyness is a social disorder that's just been invented recently so someone can make money? That's a bit silly, don't you think?

it's not that shyness is new. But now it's a "social disorder" that requires pills. I guess hitting the bar with your friends is to hard.

Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?

Go look up the four D's, you idiot. There is in fact a critera for this, and while modern psychology is basically shiat on a stick, it's not so hopeless it outright makes things up.

Also, it's usually not shyness. It's usually nearly having a panic attack in a social situation. That's a bit different.


The illnesses defined in the DSM are actually disorders - one of the diagnostic criteria is usually that the illness causes someone to be unable to live their lives or function in society. "Normal" shyness hasn't been pathologized.

The problem is that there's going to be a TV commercial saying "do you sometimes feel awkward in social situations? You should talk to your doctor about drug <xyz>." Some people who aren't actually ill by the DSM definition are going to think "yeah, sometimes I feel awkward in social situations! I should talk to my doctor about drug <xyz>!" This is why we have twice-or-more the incidence of mental illness than the rest of the industrialized world. It also cheapens the diagnosis for people who are genuinely ill.
 
2013-02-14 03:32:51 PM
JesusJuice:  After I started thinking this way, I started approaching women. At first I was terrible, caused a lot of offense, and was slapped more than once. But flirting is a skill like any other skill, and eventually I learned. Today I no longer hold women in contempt because I don't need to, the successes I gained being a misogynist gave me the skill set and confidence I needed to stop being one.

Jesus.  I hate to ask how you learned to drive, walk down stairs or pour scalding water out of a teakettle.
 
2013-02-14 03:33:48 PM
I may be shy but.. fark you all.
 
2013-02-14 03:35:10 PM

PsiChick: Go look up the four D's, you idiot. There is in fact a critera for this, and while modern psychology is basically shiat on a stick, it's not so hopeless it outright makes things up.


Dodge, duck, dive, and dodge?
 
2013-02-14 03:41:13 PM
Totally agree with the headline.

Pretty much all psychological "disorders" are bullshiat.  ADHD?  Bring back corporal punishment and keep the brats in check.  Social anxiety/autism?  Make them get out of the basement once in a while.  Depression?  Stop being sad and smile once in a goddamn while.

Seriously, we're turning into a bunch of pussies.  None of this existed fifteen years ago, it's just a bunch of trendy crap like gluten "allergies".
 
2013-02-14 03:42:50 PM
Well, I don't have a particular problem, so obviously everyone that claims to have that problem is either making it up or a pussy.
 
2013-02-14 03:46:44 PM

mutterfark: There is a rather large difference between the kind of shyness you can fix with a little alcohol and a disabling terror of personal interaction.
One of the reasons I started Farking was a hope that anonymous interaction would lead to easier "real" interaction. It didn't work. I seem normal when I interact with people, but that's only due to years of practicing coping strategies. I tried the 'have a few drinks' method for years but found I still couldn't speak to women unless I was so drunk I was incoherent. The only way I can talk to women in public is convine myself of their unavailability. In fact, it's bad enough that I rarely post anything but lame attempts at humor even with the anonymity of Fark. Just typing this personal of a response is causing an anxiety reaction.
To sum up, in spite of being incomprehensible to most, shyness can be debilitating.


Only if you choose to let it be debilitating.  Due to a set of shiatty and ridiculously complicated circumstances, any type of "real" socializing is a complete nightmare for me.  I can do it extremely well, but I would rather eat ground glass, avoid it as much as possible and think "thank christ that's over" when it's finished.  I started Farking for the same reasons; although I'd lurked for years and in a truly perverse way, Fark restored my faith in humanity a bit....make of that what you will.  And when there is a Fark party in my area, I may well attend - out of curiosity:)

The point is I could classify myself as shy or having a social anxiety disorder and blame those traits for the difficulty.  In reality, it's a choice.  Is it a good one? Maybe not, but handing over money &/or taking pills to "fix" me, likewise seems a bit daft.  Not saying all mental illnesses &/or disorders aren't real, or treatable with appropriate therapies.  Just that some of what's peddled as needing help or medication is exaggerated.
 
2013-02-14 03:54:30 PM

vpb: Why not? PTSD isn't any more or less real than Social Anxiety Disorder. Back then we had ignorant rednecks who claimed that there ws no such thing as PTSD and now we have ignorant clowns who say the same thing about Social Anxiety Disorder.

Times change, but ignorance remains the same.



Yeah PTSD is brought on by people going to war. Social Anxiety Disorder is bought on by normal day activity that is suddenly feeling of unhappiness and they cause you to be shy. Some days I dont feel like the Commander of the Universe that I am maybe I should call my doctor and get a thousand count bottle shipped to my house.

PsiChick: Go look up the four D's, you idiot.


Easy there. You dont want to hurt my self esteem.

PsiChick: There is in fact a critera for this, and while modern psychology is basically shiat on a stick, it's not so hopeless it outright makes things up.

Also, it's usually not shyness. It's usually nearly having a panic attack in a social situation. That's a bit different.



Yes there is a difference and I have never ever said anything about panic attacks. I've been talking about shyness. That's why I type the world shyness. Because you know I'm talking about shyness. shyness.

If you're just feeling shy buck up and get going. Or be shy! It's not a problem you need to fix by pumping your body full of drugs. Like I asked before do we really want to drug everyone up so they fit into our little mold of a perfect person? My wife is shy. I think it's cute. If I could give her a pill to turn her into a social butterfly I wouldn't.

Lord Dimwit: The problem is that there's going to be a TV commercial saying "do you sometimes feel awkward in social situations? You should talk to your doctor about drug <xyz>." Some people who aren't actually ill by the DSM definition are going to think "yeah, sometimes I feel awkward in social situations! I should talk to my doctor about drug <xyz>!" This is why we have twice-or-more the incidence of mental illness than the rest of the industrialized world. It also cheapens the diagnosis for people who are genuinely ill.


exactly. you got a problem get it fixed. You have a problem talking to girls? welcome to the male species

/type social anxiety drug into Google Images. Hundreds of "welcome to fark" pictures
 
2013-02-14 03:56:20 PM

tallguywithglasseson: I know right, those losers should feel like it's their fault, after all there is something wrong with them.
If they can't fix themselves and get confident (stupids!), they deserve to feel bad and be lonely.
People who seek help for mental or emotional problems make me sick! Grrr! What happened to all the real men amiright!

[oi49.tinypic.com image 537x357]


Stupid millenials. I weep for this country. Or at least I would, if I were a woman or gay or something.


I can't see the photo (due to work blockies), but I really hope it was a mugshot of a mentally ill person.

For those saying to "JUST" go and talk to people, you clearly have never hung out with a person as shy as they're describing.
 
2013-02-14 03:56:25 PM
I feel anxious talking to women because I feel entitled to sex every time I talk to them, but in reality that hardly ever happens.  Subby is right to rail on people who have social anxiety because they are all men and men don't deserve compassion ever because of millions of years of privilege and oppressing women.  I blame feminism for this situation, things were so much better back in the 50's when women were all docile chattel and didn't have the right to vote.  Men have evolved over millions of years to have dominance over women, but now we are lost without those readymade roles therefore social anxiety has become prevalent.  I mean why is rape even illegal?  Any man who is honest with himself would agree with me:  cisgender scum our patriarchy because that heteronormative wharrgbl sdf dsljksdlfkj woeiu sjfldsdk dlsjljklk...
 
2013-02-14 03:59:17 PM
Is it the image filter at work or have there been no Magnolia references yet?
 
2013-02-14 03:59:44 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord Dimwit: The problem is that there's going to be a TV commercial saying "do you sometimes feel awkward in social situations? You should talk to your doctor about drug <xyz>." Some people who aren't actually ill by the DSM definition are going to think "yeah, sometimes I feel awkward in social situations! I should talk to my doctor about drug <xyz>!" This is why we have twice-or-more the incidence of mental illness than the rest of the industrialized world. It also cheapens the diagnosis for people who are genuinely ill.

exactly. you got a problem get it fixed. You have a problem talking to girls? welcome to the male species


For the record, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. What I was trying to say is that, while Social Anxiety Disorder (for example), is an actual illness, the pharmaceutical companies are going to run ads with intentionally vaguer symptoms than those required for diagnosis, in the hopes that some not-actually-ill patients will talk to their doctors about a disease they don't actually have, while simultaneously giving doctors free samples and other perks in the hopes of getting a new prescription written.

Long story short: SAD exists, but pharmaceutical companies are not above making patients and doctors the diagnostic criteria are looser than they are.
 
2013-02-14 04:01:41 PM

Dion Fortune: I feel anxious talking to women because I feel entitled to sex every time I talk to them, but in reality that hardly ever happens.  Subby is right to rail on people who have social anxiety because they are all men and men don't deserve compassion ever because of millions of years of privilege and oppressing women.  I blame feminism for this situation, things were so much better back in the 50's when women were all docile chattel and didn't have the right to vote.  Men have evolved over millions of years to have dominance over women, but now we are lost without those readymade roles therefore social anxiety has become prevalent.  I mean why is rape even illegal?  Any man who is honest with himself would agree with me:  cisgender scum our patriarchy because that heteronormative wharrgbl sdf dsljksdlfkj woeiu sjfldsdk dlsjljklk...


Very nice.
 
2013-02-14 04:04:10 PM

ACunningPlan: mutterfark: There is a rather large difference between the kind of shyness you can fix with a little alcohol and a disabling terror of personal interaction.
One of the reasons I started Farking was a hope that anonymous interaction would lead to easier "real" interaction. It didn't work. I seem normal when I interact with people, but that's only due to years of practicing coping strategies. I tried the 'have a few drinks' method for years but found I still couldn't speak to women unless I was so drunk I was incoherent. The only way I can talk to women in public is convine myself of their unavailability. In fact, it's bad enough that I rarely post anything but lame attempts at humor even with the anonymity of Fark. Just typing this personal of a response is causing an anxiety reaction.
To sum up, in spite of being incomprehensible to most, shyness can be debilitating.

Only if you choose to let it be debilitating.  Due to a set of shiatty and ridiculously complicated circumstances, any type of "real" socializing is a complete nightmare for me.  I can do it extremely well, but I would rather eat ground glass, avoid it as much as possible and think "thank christ that's over" when it's finished.  I started Farking for the same reasons; although I'd lurked for years and in a truly perverse way, Fark restored my faith in humanity a bit....make of that what you will.  And when there is a Fark party in my area, I may well attend - out of curiosity:)

The point is I could classify myself as shy or having a social anxiety disorder and blame those traits for the difficulty.  In reality, it's a choice.  Is it a good one? Maybe not, but handing over money &/or taking pills to "fix" me, likewise seems a bit daft.  Not saying all mental illnesses &/or disorders aren't real, or treatable with appropriate therapies.  Just that some of what's peddled as needing help or medication is exaggerated.


 Not going to dispute most of what you wrote, but choice is a difficult word here. I am much better at 48 than I was at 18. As they say now, 'It gets better'. But there was no 'choice' in the begining. It took being exposed to people who had made it through for me to believe that I could get better. Then years of working on the problem.
I was just pointing out that from my experience shyness can be debilitaing, not that it has to stay that way.
 
2013-02-14 04:05:02 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Slaxl: You think shyness is a social disorder that's just been invented recently so someone can make money? That's a bit silly, don't you think?

it's not that shyness is new. But now it's a "social disorder" that requires pills. I guess hitting the bar with your friends is to hard.

Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?


If you're shy you're going to struggle to a) have friends in the first place, b) go to bars.
 
2013-02-14 04:10:14 PM
I'm really bad to the point where I don't talk to unavailable unfamiliar people. My personal treatment is start going alone to events. Eventually I'll have to talk to someone.

/right?
 
2013-02-14 04:10:29 PM
Sounds like Fark, only there's no counseling here, only bitterness.
 
2013-02-14 04:11:29 PM

AngryPanda: I'm really bad to the point where I can barely talk to unavailable unfamiliar people. My personal treatment is start going alone to events. Eventually I'll have to talk to someone.

/right?


FTFM
 
2013-02-14 04:13:39 PM

Lord Dimwit: For the record, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. What I was trying to say is that, while Social Anxiety Disorder (for example), is an actual illness, the pharmaceutical companies are going to run ads with intentionally vaguer symptoms than those required for diagnosis, in the hopes that some not-actually-ill patients will talk to their doctors about a disease they don't actually have, while simultaneously giving doctors free samples and other perks in the hopes of getting a new prescription written.

Long story short: SAD exists, but pharmaceutical companies are not above making patients and doctors the diagnostic criteria are looser than they are.



I think that exactly what I said. All be it in a very condensed way. If you really have a problem, a really real problem then go to a doctor/profession and get help. If you just feel a little shy buck up little soldier and carry on. Here's a little test: If you're at the bar with friends and you don't talk to the pretty girl because you're scared of rejection you dont need a pill. You're huddled in a corner and you've been crying for the last hour because you have to go to the store to buy food, you need a pill.
 
2013-02-14 04:20:46 PM
As long as I have something external to blame my faults on, I never have to work on improving myself.
 
2013-02-14 04:23:04 PM

fireclown: If I am not mistaken, the last rev of the DSM did away with aspergers.


Well you are mistaken. The people who wrote the DSM5 just came to the conclusion that "Autism", "Asperger's", and "PDD-NOS" were redundant classifications of the same disorder.

They removed the category of "Asperger's", but that doesn't in any way imply that people diagnosed as having Asperger's don't have something. People diagnosed with "Asperger's" are now just called "autistic". They have "Autism Spectrum Disorder", a.k.a. "Autism".
 
2013-02-14 04:24:42 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: it's not that shyness is new. But now it's a "social disorder" that requires pills. I guess hitting the bar with your friends is to hard.


Real shy people don't have friends
 
2013-02-14 04:25:46 PM

ACunningPlan: mutterfark: There is a rather large difference between the kind of shyness you can fix with a little alcohol and a disabling terror of personal interaction.
One of the reasons I started Farking was a hope that anonymous interaction would lead to easier "real" interaction. It didn't work. I seem normal when I interact with people, but that's only due to years of practicing coping strategies. I tried the 'have a few drinks' method for years but found I still couldn't speak to women unless I was so drunk I was incoherent. The only way I can talk to women in public is convine myself of their unavailability. In fact, it's bad enough that I rarely post anything but lame attempts at humor even with the anonymity of Fark. Just typing this personal of a response is causing an anxiety reaction.
To sum up, in spite of being incomprehensible to most, shyness can be debilitating.

Only if you choose to let it be debilitating.  Due to a set of shiatty and ridiculously complicated circumstances, any type of "real" socializing is a complete nightmare for me.  I can do it extremely well, but I would rather eat ground glass, avoid it as much as possible and think "thank christ that's over" when it's finished.  I started Farking for the same reasons; although I'd lurked for years and in a truly perverse way, Fark restored my faith in humanity a bit....make of that what you will.  And when there is a Fark party in my area, I may well attend - out of curiosity:)

The point is I could classify myself as shy or having a social anxiety disorder and blame those traits for the difficulty.  In reality, it's a choice.  Is it a good one? Maybe not, but handing over money &/or taking pills to "fix" me, likewise seems a bit daft.  Not saying all mental illnesses &/or disorders aren't real, or treatable with appropriate therapies.  Just that some of what's peddled as needing help or medication is exaggerated.


except social anxiety is more than just shyness, it can be accompanied by debilitating physical reactions.. (like full on panic attacks) So yeah, maybe you could classify yourself as shy, but a full blown anxiety disorder? not so much.  I believe that actual disorder is more akin to pstd.. I don't think folks can just "will" themselves out of pstd symptoms.

There may be plenty of people who don't actually have an anxiety disorder  but still self-diagnose and self-medicate needlessly. That does not mean the actual disorder doesn't really exist.

I think its completely bizarre how drug companies can just advertise on tv, pretty much making up any random crap and offering pills for it. It de-legitimizes people who have genuine afflictions and need help.
 
2013-02-14 04:29:04 PM

I drunk what: is there a pill to cure farkers?


img.fark.net
 
2013-02-14 04:33:37 PM
Hah, I came back to check in and it was pretty much what I expected...lotta herp...lotta derp...kinda funny, kinda sad.
 
2013-02-14 04:37:44 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Sounds like Fark, only there's no counseling here, only bitterness.


It's not Fark, it's reality. Let it go........
 
2013-02-14 04:38:18 PM

mutterfark: ACunningPlan: mutterfark: There is a rather large difference between the kind of shyness you can fix with a little alcohol and a disabling terror of personal interaction.
One of the reasons I started Farking was a hope that anonymous interaction would lead to easier "real" interaction. It didn't work. I seem normal when I interact with people, but that's only due to years of practicing coping strategies. I tried the 'have a few drinks' method for years but found I still couldn't speak to women unless I was so drunk I was incoherent. The only way I can talk to women in public is convine myself of their unavailability. In fact, it's bad enough that I rarely post anything but lame attempts at humor even with the anonymity of Fark. Just typing this personal of a response is causing an anxiety reaction.
To sum up, in spite of being incomprehensible to most, shyness can be debilitating.

Only if you choose to let it be debilitating.  Due to a set of shiatty and ridiculously complicated circumstances, any type of "real" socializing is a complete nightmare for me.  I can do it extremely well, but I would rather eat ground glass, avoid it as much as possible and think "thank christ that's over" when it's finished.  I started Farking for the same reasons; although I'd lurked for years and in a truly perverse way, Fark restored my faith in humanity a bit....make of that what you will.  And when there is a Fark party in my area, I may well attend - out of curiosity:)

The point is I could classify myself as shy or having a social anxiety disorder and blame those traits for the difficulty.  In reality, it's a choice.  Is it a good one? Maybe not, but handing over money &/or taking pills to "fix" me, likewise seems a bit daft.  Not saying all mental illnesses &/or disorders aren't real, or treatable with appropriate therapies.  Just that some of what's peddled as needing help or medication is exaggerated.

 Not going to dispute most of what you wrote, but choice is a difficult wo ...


Pretty much agree with you.  There is one very simple rule to remember: always get the other person to talk about themselves &/or what interests them - most people will oblige & as for the rest, no-one ever gets along with everyone:)
 
2013-02-14 04:42:56 PM

mutterfark: There is a rather large difference between the kind of shyness you can fix with a little alcohol and a disabling terror of personal interaction.
One of the reasons I started Farking was a hope that anonymous interaction would lead to easier "real" interaction. It didn't work. I seem normal when I interact with people, but that's only due to years of practicing coping strategies. I tried the 'have a few drinks' method for years but found I still couldn't speak to women unless I was so drunk I was incoherent. The only way I can talk to women in public is convine myself of their unavailability. In fact, it's bad enough that I rarely post anything but lame attempts at humor even with the anonymity of Fark. Just typing this personal of a response is causing an anxiety reaction.
To sum up, in spite of being incomprehensible to most, shyness can be debilitating.



Wrong answer, if your able to type out your thoughts then your able to speak them. You did a real nice try at attempting to be "shy", but, your trying to convince the wrong people. The only one you need to deal with is yourself.
 
2013-02-14 04:47:04 PM
I am ridiculously shy and got worse as I got further along in my 20's, worked through it without drugs and now, I'm a crazy shy guy with a wife and a kid.  Now at one point I got panic attacks.  THAT shiat is REAL.  Shyness?  As a disease?  Not so much.  I'd buy depression.  I'd buy crazy.  I'd buy being so farking shy it makes you crazy, but general shyness is just a part of life.
 
2013-02-14 04:49:27 PM
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