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(Slate)   1: Invent a "social disorder" so that losers who can't talk to women don't feel like it's their fault. 2: Design counseling program designed to help the afflicted. 3: Profit   (slate.com) divider line 237
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2013-02-14 02:08:45 PM

Mentat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Slaxl: You think shyness is a social disorder that's just been invented recently so someone can make money? That's a bit silly, don't you think?

it's not that shyness is new. But now it's a "social disorder" that requires pills. I guess hitting the bar with your friends is to hard.

Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?

So you don't think there's a chemical component to pathological shyness?  Do you also think that chronically depressed people just need to suck it up and smile more?


There probably is a chemical component to shyness, sure. And depression is also a real thing.

The problem is that drug companies put advertisements in every single magazine and television show talking about vague symptoms that just about anyone has at some point experienced, and then encourages them to "talk to [their] doctor". Their doctor gets free samples from the drug companies and other perks and often doesn't have time to do a full evaluation of a person to see if they're actually suffering from something pathological as opposed to just being slightly quirky or even completely normal.

We've hit the point where 48% of the American population will be diagnosed with a mental illness at some point in their life. That's twice the rate of the European Union and Canada. Think about that. Either the EU and Canada are massively under-diagnosing people, or we're massively over-diagnosing people.

Lifestyle of course plays a part as well - Europeans tend to exercise more, for example. Moderate exercise has been shown to be as effective in treating depression as any antidepressant yet invented (except for the most severe cases), but we as a culture would rather take a pill with side effects than jog three times a week.

Now, to be clear, before I get attacked: I'm not saying that mental illness doesn't exist or isn't a major health concern. I'm not saying that you, gentle reader, are lying about whatever illness you may have been diagnosed with. I'm just saying that we as a society have a much, much higher rate of mental illnesses diagnosed than the rest of the civilized world and I don't think constant advertising by drug companies helps.
 
2013-02-14 02:09:38 PM
I don't care if you want to get into the semantics of whether or not it's a "disorder," but if he's providing a valuable service to people whose lives will be improved by it, then yes, he deserves to profit.
 
2013-02-14 02:09:44 PM

Lord Thorn: Sometimes, not being able to talk to girls works out all right...

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Yes... once every 30 years...
 
2013-02-14 02:10:04 PM
The interesting part is that anti anxiety medications often cause sexual dysfunction.

SO, someone takes an anxiety med to get chicks, and then can't get off if he manages to get one in the sack.

Oh, irony. How I love you.
 
2013-02-14 02:10:08 PM
In business school, step 1 is called "market development".
 
2013-02-14 02:11:19 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?

Feeling shy? Lonely? New Extravertofil can help you get back in the game by reducing inhibitions and making it easier to engage with the opposite sex. Ask your doctor today if Extravertofil is right for you.

Side effects of Extravertofil may include ill-advised posting of embarrassing pictures on Facebook, beer goggling, hangovers, regrettable hookups, skeletal xylophoning, and REO speedlung. Women who are pregnant should not use Extravertofil because nobody wants to hit that. In rare instances, hard partying lasting more than 16 hours may occur. Seek medical attention immediately if this happens to you. Alcoholics and narcotics users should not use Extravertofil as its active ingredients are alcohol and cocaine.


well played sir.

/fark has been awesome today
 
2013-02-14 02:12:11 PM

McGrits: No meatloaf man-boobs hug?

/sad
//pours some whiskey to cure the sad


Um...here ya go I guess.  Sicko.

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2013-02-14 02:13:26 PM
Headline and first half of this thread read like they were written by people confused by their VCR clock.
 
2013-02-14 02:13:36 PM
This headline affects every person between 15 and 29. They ALL have "social disorders" suddenly.
 
2013-02-14 02:14:33 PM
"Some people are too shy to succeed."

"So? it's always been that way, suck it up and fark you."

Well, how about fark you? I'm as wary of our tendency to overmedicate as anyone else, but simply acknowledging that this might EXIST and be addressable is not a problem. Don't go tossing pills, but if group therapy helps people become more outgoing, fark you, let them do it.
 
2013-02-14 02:15:26 PM
Lord Dimwit:
The problem is that drug companies put advertisements in every single magazine and television show talking about vague symptoms that just about anyone has at some point experienced, and then encourages them to "talk to [their] doctor". Their doctor gets free samples from the drug companies and other perks and often doesn't have time to do a full evaluation of a person to see if they're actually suffering from something pathological as opposed to just being slightly quirky or even completely normal.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one.  First: direct marketing to consumers for prescription medication.  If you put out an advertisement advising people who suffer from some long list of vague symptoms, you're going to get people biting.

Second, general practitioners diagnosing mental illness is often not a great idea.  Some mental illnesses are pretty cut and dried, like seasonal affective disorder.  Others are very complex, like OCD, ADHD, bipolar, etc. If a person doesn't spend time with an appropriate specialist to get an appropriate medical opinion, you're going to end up with a lot of false diagnosis situations.  A regular doctor who gets to spend 10 minutes for an office visit with a patient really isn't going to have the time (and possibly the training and knowledge) to appropriately assess a patient for these types of conditions.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:04 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: 1. Invent social "injustice" so that losers, idiots, and waitresses unwilling or unable to obtain marketable skills don't feel like it's their fault when nobody wants to hire them for the job  tips them like they "deserve".


/just trying to cross stream between threads
 
2013-02-14 02:16:13 PM
I know what would help someone who's shy around girls -- calling them losers and saying that if they try and get help they're suckers who're getting ripped off!

\ Also, interesting that it's "don't feel like it's their fault" but they "talk to women"
 
2013-02-14 02:17:08 PM

Shyla: This headline affects every person between 15 and 29. They ALL have "social disorders" suddenly.


I've noticed that too... no one views the various obstacles they face as challenges to be overcome anymore. Instead they demand that they be treated as a "special class" and demand that society cater to their challenges.

Personal character, whatever happened to ye?
 
2013-02-14 02:17:36 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is there anything we do now a days that doesn't have a pill to help it along?


your curious attitude sounds like a condition, schedule an appointment so we can figure out what kind of pills you need to fix it

Western Psychology-Medicine:

Dr. WesternMedicine: Did you actually just page me to find out how much tylenol pills to give to Mrs. Lensner any random patient?
J.D.: I was worried it could exasterbate the patient's...
Dr. WesternMedicine: Its regular strength tylenol magic pills to make up for incompentent "doctors" who have to make up for incompetent "parents". Here's what you do: Get her to open her mouth, take a handfull and throw it at her. Whatever sticks - that's the correct dosage and/or prescription.

Read more  http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/shows/scrubs/episodes/my-first-day/#i x zz2Ku0nEt00
 
2013-02-14 02:18:08 PM

Nightjars: A regular doctor who gets to spend 10 minutes for an office visit with a patient really isn't going to have the time (and possibly the training and knowledge) to appropriately assess a patient for these types of conditions.


Which is why a good doctors office will offer those services. The place where my mom goes to her primary care doctor also has a psych guy that comes in twice a week and if you're a patient there you have to see him every 1-3 months,he's the one that offered me free counseling but I'm terrified of telling him some of the things that bother me.
 
2013-02-14 02:19:20 PM
So vudu, how come you aren't seeing anyone?

I haven't met anyone sane enough to put up with but crazy enough to fark me.
 
2013-02-14 02:20:33 PM

Nightjars: Lord Dimwit:
The problem is that drug companies put advertisements in every single magazine and television show talking about vague symptoms that just about anyone has at some point experienced, and then encourages them to "talk to [their] doctor". Their doctor gets free samples from the drug companies and other perks and often doesn't have time to do a full evaluation of a person to see if they're actually suffering from something pathological as opposed to just being slightly quirky or even completely normal.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one.  First: direct marketing to consumers for prescription medication.  If you put out an advertisement advising people who suffer from some long list of vague symptoms, you're going to get people biting.

Second, general practitioners diagnosing mental illness is often not a great idea.  Some mental illnesses are pretty cut and dried, like seasonal affective disorder.  Others are very complex, like OCD, ADHD, bipolar, etc. If a person doesn't spend time with an appropriate specialist to get an appropriate medical opinion, you're going to end up with a lot of false diagnosis situations.  A regular doctor who gets to spend 10 minutes for an office visit with a patient really isn't going to have the time (and possibly the training and knowledge) to appropriately assess a patient for these types of conditions.


Plus there are a lot of people who think doctors are there to give them whatever prescriptions they want, and have no problems switching doctors until they find one who will.
 
2013-02-14 02:20:45 PM

WhippingBoy: Shyla: This headline affects every person between 15 and 29. They ALL have "social disorders" suddenly.

I've noticed that too... no one views the various obstacles they face as challenges to be overcome anymore. Instead they demand that they be treated as a "special class" and demand that society cater to their challenges.

Personal character, whatever happened to ye?


Do you know how dumb that post sounds, considering that the article is about people taking steps to improve their social anxiety? They are LITERALLY trying to "overcome" their "obstacles."
 
2013-02-14 02:21:13 PM

WhippingBoy: Shyla: This headline affects every person between 15 and 29. They ALL have "social disorders" suddenly.

I've noticed that too... no one views the various obstacles they face as challenges to be overcome anymore. Instead they demand that they be treated as a "special class" and demand that society cater to their challenges.

Personal character, whatever happened to ye?


My father is a high school teacher. When he gives a test, certain students are exempt from the time limit due to various disorders. The last test he gave, the special-needs group was fully a third of the class. Each of these kids had an official doctor's note and notes from their parents.
 
2013-02-14 02:21:18 PM
what about social laziness disorder?  Can someone give me an insta-extrovert, bubbly, eyelash batting, flirtacious pill??  That facade is so much work and I am way to lazy to bother with it.
 
2013-02-14 02:22:02 PM
As the poster child for shyness and awkwardness, I had great success with the "just ask her the fark out already" method.
 
2013-02-14 02:22:34 PM
For anybody so concerned about the pathologizing of shyness, this book is recommended: Christopher Lane, Shyness: How Normal Behavior Became a Sickness
 
2013-02-14 02:22:54 PM

A Terrible Human: Nightjars: A regular doctor who gets to spend 10 minutes for an office visit with a patient really isn't going to have the time (and possibly the training and knowledge) to appropriately assess a patient for these types of conditions.

Which is why a good doctors office will offer those services. The place where my mom goes to her primary care doctor also has a psych guy that comes in twice a week and if you're a patient there you have to see him every 1-3 months,he's the one that offered me free counseling but I'm terrified of telling him some of the things that bother me.


That's not a "good" doctor's office - that's an "exceptional" doctor's office. I've never been to an office that did that, neither has my wife, nor my sister, nor anyone else I could ping on Google Talk in the time it took to write this post.
 
2013-02-14 02:23:12 PM
Alcohol always works for me.


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//Hotter than Penny
 
2013-02-14 02:23:19 PM

LasersHurt: WhippingBoy: Shyla: This headline affects every person between 15 and 29. They ALL have "social disorders" suddenly.

I've noticed that too... no one views the various obstacles they face as challenges to be overcome anymore. Instead they demand that they be treated as a "special class" and demand that society cater to their challenges.

Personal character, whatever happened to ye?

Do you know how dumb that post sounds, considering that the article is about people taking steps to improve their social anxiety? They are LITERALLY trying to "overcome" their "obstacles."


Why do they need to let everyone know about it?

/I have a cognitive processing disorder that affects some of the things I write and say (honest). Where's my money???
 
2013-02-14 02:24:19 PM

WhippingBoy: LasersHurt: WhippingBoy: Shyla: This headline affects every person between 15 and 29. They ALL have "social disorders" suddenly.

I've noticed that too... no one views the various obstacles they face as challenges to be overcome anymore. Instead they demand that they be treated as a "special class" and demand that society cater to their challenges.

Personal character, whatever happened to ye?

Do you know how dumb that post sounds, considering that the article is about people taking steps to improve their social anxiety? They are LITERALLY trying to "overcome" their "obstacles."

Why do they need to let everyone know about it?


It's GROUP THERAPY. That's why they "need to let people know about it." They do it together.

Or do you mean "why is there an article about it?" That's really a question for the author, though.
 
2013-02-14 02:25:44 PM

my herniated disc: what about social laziness disorder?  Can someone give me an insta-extrovert, bubbly, eyelash batting, flirtacious pill??  That facade is so much work and I am way to lazy to bother with it.


the generic is called booze. there are myriad brand names to choose from.
 
2013-02-14 02:26:54 PM
WhippingBoy:/I have a cognitive processing disorder that affects some of the things I write and say (honest). Where's my money???

I missed the part where the people who are going through this program are asking for money.
 
2013-02-14 02:28:06 PM

Nightjars: WhippingBoy:/I have a cognitive processing disorder that affects some of the things I write and say (honest). Where's my money???

I missed the part where the people who are going through this program are asking for money.


Same place where they're getting pills and getting out of highschool tests.

IN SOMEONE'S MIND
 
2013-02-14 02:28:43 PM

Nightjars: WhippingBoy:/I have a cognitive processing disorder that affects some of the things I write and say (honest). Where's my money???

I missed the part where the people who are going through this program are asking for money.


Group Therapists ain't free!
 
2013-02-14 02:30:00 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Side effects of Extravertofil may include ill-advised posting of embarrassing pictures on Facebook, beer goggling, hangovers, regrettable hookups, skeletal xylophoning, and REO speedlung. Women who are pregnant should not use Extravertofil because nobody wants to hit that. In rare instances, hard partying lasting more than 16 hours may occur. Seek medical attention immediately if this happens to you. Alcoholics and narcotics users should not use Extravertofil as its active ingredients are alcohol and cocaine.


Not that I am on the hunt for pregnant girls, but I totally wanted to tap that ass of my ex wife when she was preggers with our kid.
 
2013-02-14 02:30:23 PM
 
2013-02-14 02:30:49 PM

A Terrible Human: Nightjars: A regular doctor who gets to spend 10 minutes for an office visit with a patient really isn't going to have the time (and possibly the training and knowledge) to appropriately assess a patient for these types of conditions.

Which is why a good doctors office will offer those services. The place where my mom goes to her primary care doctor also has a psych guy that comes in twice a week and if you're a patient there you have to see him every 1-3 months,he's the one that offered me free counseling but I'm terrified of telling him some of the things that bother me.


Am I reading that correctly?

You go to a doctor that REQUIRES you to speak with a psychiatrist every few months?
 
2013-02-14 02:32:16 PM
Psychiatric medications are huge business, especially in this country.  As others pointed out, the pharmaceutical industry has a huge incentive to increase their usage, and provides free samples, sponsors conventions, etc.  In 2011, the top 10 psychiatric drugs accounted for http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/cn3000923 267.1  million prescriptions filled, and that number grows every year.

There's something seriously wrong here. And it's not that America was a vast, undiagnosed, mentally ill country 30, or 50, or 75 years ago.
 
2013-02-14 02:32:34 PM

Lord Dimwit: That's not a "good" doctor's office - that's an "exceptional" doctor's office. I've never been to an office that did that, neither has my wife, nor my sister, nor anyone else I could ping on Google Talk in the time it took to write this post.


I know anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Those guys are really awesome that way but I think it's mostly due to them covering their asses because they write prescriptions for pain meds,Dr.Siler was very nice when I met him while at my mom's appointment for her primary care guy.
 
2013-02-14 02:34:39 PM
There's these guys out there convinced that women are some strange mystical creatures who are so totally alien & mysterious you can never ever understand them. Then they think they have to follow all these steps like its a magic ritual & all of a sudden the girl will fall in love you for saying certain phrases and performing certain actions. Never crosses their minds that they're just other humans beings. They believe in fantasy fiction bullshiat.
 
2013-02-14 02:36:15 PM
I'm sorry, but this needs to be re-posted
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2013-02-14 02:36:17 PM

Clock Spider Jerusalem: There's these guys out there convinced that women are some strange mystical creatures who are so totally alien & mysterious you can never ever understand them. Then they think they have to follow all these steps like its a magic ritual & all of a sudden the girl will fall in love you for saying certain phrases and performing certain actions. Never crosses their minds that they're just other humans beings. They believe in fantasy fiction bullshiat.


PUA's are hilarious.

doczoidberg: Am I reading that correctly?

You go to a doctor that REQUIRES you to speak with a psychiatrist every few months?


My mom actually but is has a shiatload to do with them covering their asses because southeast KY's pill abuse problem.
 
2013-02-14 02:38:13 PM
SAD tag broken?
 
2013-02-14 02:38:26 PM
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2013-02-14 02:39:18 PM

ArkPanda: Second, general practitioners diagnosing mental illness is often not a great idea. Some mental illnesses are pretty cut and dried, like seasonal affective disorder. Others are very complex, like OCD, ADHD, bipolar, etc. If a person doesn't spend time with an appropriate specialist to get an appropriate medical opinion, you're going to end up with a lot of false diagnosis situations. A regular doctor who gets to spend 10 minutes for an office visit with a patient really isn't going to have the time (and possibly the training and knowledge) to appropriately assess a patient for these types of conditions.


Very much this. In college, I complained of ADHD symptoms to a local GP doctor and she literally threw Strattera at me.

After being pestered by my parents, eventually I went to the psych department for testing. The department threw me into a battery of tests and told me I had some symptoms, but wasn't diagnosed with ADHD.

I'll also say that licensed specialists treat mental disorders much differently from GPs. They're also much better ad ferreting out effective treatments besides just throwing pills at people.

/end csb
 
2013-02-14 02:40:40 PM
www.leveledmag.com

can talk to women
 
2013-02-14 02:41:57 PM
I would totally sign up for that class to gain some confidence when talking with women at events and bars. I do tend toward shyness and I would probably gain greater deep connections.

My wife might disagree with the choice.
 
2013-02-14 02:43:26 PM
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I've had good results with ether...
 
2013-02-14 02:44:02 PM
I see how this works: person A has debilitating social anxiety which prevents them forming relationships the usual way because that involves interacting with strangers.  However if charged for the experience and told it will help them manage said disorder, shy person will suddenly drop all their inhibitions, spend time with a bunch of strangers and tell them of their personal difficulties.  I see a money-making opportunity for all of you with "shy" friends, relatives and co-workers - make them pay you for socializing with them.  They will feel in control of their affliction and you will get free drinks/dinner.
 
2013-02-14 02:45:08 PM
What a therapy session may look like:


/sign me up
 
2013-02-14 02:50:39 PM
I don't know what all of the hate is about.  While I don't personally believe in taking drugs for something of this nature (at least for myself), I don't see what's wrong with seeking help on improving yourself in hopes that it will make you happier or aid you in doing things in life you wouldn't normally be able to do.  I don't need help with dating, but I've thought about trying to go to someone who can help me be more outgoing and less shy on a personal and professional level.  I tend to be passive, timid, and apologetic because it's how I've been my entire life.  It's not exactly a recipe for success.  I try to force myself to be more outgoing but it always ends up coming out wrong in some way (awkward or overly assertive).  I'm not sure why it would be wrong to seek help in changing this.  It might not work, but it's worth a try.
 
2013-02-14 02:51:26 PM

Spaced Cowboy: What a therapy session may look like:


/sign me up


OK, so Fark hates all of my hotlinks, so have a regular link.  http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11000000/Blades-of-Glory-jenna - fischer-11015863-853-480.jpg
 
2013-02-14 02:52:13 PM
It's times like this that call for the wisdom of Three Amigos

"In a way, all of us has an El Guapo to face. For some, shyness might be their El Guapo. For others, a lack of education might be their El Guapo. For us, El Guapo is a big, dangerous man who wants to kill us. But as sure as my name is Lucky Day, the people of Santa Poco can conquer their own personal El Guapo, who also happens to be *the actual* El Guapo!"
 
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