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(Washington Post)   Polls show: two-thirds of Americans would like to see the minimum wage at $10 an hour - including half of Republicans   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 414
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2013-02-14 09:15:03 AM  
And that percentage would drop by %20 if they called it "Obama's plan to raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour"
 
2013-02-14 09:20:48 AM  
I wonder what the ratio of "doom-filled predictions about mass layoffs if the minimum wage goes up" to "evidence that that has ever happened" will be in this thread.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 09:31:32 AM  

BunkoSquad: I wonder what the ratio of "doom-filled predictions about mass layoffs if the minimum wage goes up" to "evidence that that has ever happened" will be in this thread.


Me too.  The "raising minimum wage kills jobs" argument has been repeated so often that it is widely believed.
 
2013-02-14 10:30:52 AM  

Endrick: And that percentage would drop by %20 if they called it "Obama's plan to raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour"


Boy, ain't that the truth

/Four more years of ODS
 
2013-02-14 10:41:46 AM  

vpb: BunkoSquad: I wonder what the ratio of "doom-filled predictions about mass layoffs if the minimum wage goes up" to "evidence that that has ever happened" will be in this thread.

Me too.  The "raising minimum wage kills jobs" argument has been repeated so often that it is widely believed.


You could say this about 95% of 'common sense' economic beliefs.
 
2013-02-14 10:44:01 AM  
More than 80% would like to data the Playboy centerfold, women and men. So what?
 
2013-02-14 11:08:26 AM  

hinten: More than 80% would like to data the Playboy centerfold, women and men. So what?


We have a representative republic, and currently the party that controls the House doesn't represent us.
 
2013-02-14 11:12:58 AM  

hinten: More than 80% would like to data the Playboy centerfold, women and men. So what?


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
2013-02-14 11:14:45 AM  

Bloody William: hinten: More than 80% would like to data the Playboy centerfold, women and men. So what?

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


Yes, and I have the data to prove it.
 
2013-02-14 11:23:53 AM  

hinten: More than 80% would like to data the Playboy centerfold, women and men. So what?


Yar, matey.
 
2013-02-14 11:25:46 AM  
Those costs will just be passed along to consumers in higher costs for goods and services........which just dilutes the minimum wage again.
 
2013-02-14 11:26:04 AM  
The last time we raised the Federal minimum wage, every worker in America lost his job. This was a major contributor toward the Obama recession. Have you people forgotten this? The Bush recovery is only just now starting to bear fruit after years of slow, painful progress; why derail it now?
 
2013-02-14 11:26:38 AM  

basemetal: Those costs will just be passed along to consumers in higher costs for goods and services........which just dilutes the minimum wage again.


In a free market where prices are competitive, how can prices rise above current levels of demand without losing money?
 
2013-02-14 11:29:29 AM  
Why stop at $10?  How about a $20 minimum wage?  Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?
 
2013-02-14 11:37:10 AM  

SkinnyHead: Why stop at $10?  How about a $20 minimum wage?  Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?


Buy Skinnyhead's new book: "Torturing Logic for Trolls and Profit?: A Hero's Journey."
 
2013-02-14 11:37:43 AM  

SkinnyHead: Why stop at $10?  How about a $20 minimum wage?  Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?


Is this the GOP equivalent of the "why not cut taxes to zero" strawman?
 
2013-02-14 11:39:25 AM  

basemetal: Those costs will just be passed along to consumers in higher costs for goods and services........which just dilutes the minimum wage again.


So when was the last time you demanded to be paid less so that cost wouldn't be passed on to the consumers of your company's goods and services?
 
2013-02-14 11:39:54 AM  
    What the public wants is irrelevant to a Republican house.  This is not a Democracy!  This is a republic as in Republican.  You voted your betters into the house to decide things for you.  So screw public opinion and the majority of the people who didn't vote Republican.
 
2013-02-14 11:40:28 AM  

SkinnyHead: Why stop at $10? How about a $20 minimum wage? Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?


And what if the moon were made of barbecued spare ribs, would you eat it then?
 
2013-02-14 11:40:28 AM  
Maybe they'll get my farking order right.
 
2013-02-14 11:41:00 AM  
I'd love to see them howl if increases in the minimum wage were tied to increases in the earnings (including bonuses) of the top 1% of eaners.
 
2013-02-14 11:41:14 AM  

SkinnyHead: Why stop at $10?  How about a $20 minimum wage?  Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?


I'd prefer $1,000,000 per hour.  I'm totally serious about it.  Totally.
 
2013-02-14 11:43:00 AM  
The minimum wage should be enough to afford a basic apartment, transportation, essentials and enough extra to cover occasional emergencies.  I can't imagine how anyone could do those things at current minimum wage levels.
 
2013-02-14 11:43:10 AM  

hinten: More than 80% would like to data the Playboy centerfold, women and men. So what?


secondcontact.files.wordpress.com

I don't find him all that attractive, thank you.
 
2013-02-14 11:43:15 AM  
Obama needs to learn from his mistakes. It's all in the name.

The Real American Patriotic Minimum Wage Act
 
2013-02-14 11:45:02 AM  

DamnYankees: basemetal: Those costs will just be passed along to consumers in higher costs for goods and services........which just dilutes the minimum wage again.

In a free market where prices are competitive, how can prices rise above current levels of demand without losing money?


Psst. Increasing minimum wage also increases demand. Cause broke people get less broke.

That said, $10 is way below the point where increasing would do more harm than good.
 
2013-02-14 11:45:30 AM  
How dare people make something approaching a living wage!

How dare we attempt to stop businesses from using the social safety net to make it so their employees can survive!
 
2013-02-14 11:45:34 AM  

Ned Stark: Psst. Increasing minimum wage also increases demand. Cause broke people get less broke.


Yes - thats one of the arguments FOR increasing minimum wage.
 
2013-02-14 11:45:36 AM  
Its a good thing I only hire undocumented workers.
 
2013-02-14 11:45:43 AM  
Well, good for people making minimum wage. Doesn't do me any damn good.  The rest of us are just getting drilled further and further down.

/wage stagnation FTW!
 
2013-02-14 11:46:11 AM  

Granny_Panties: Obama needs to learn from his mistakes. It's all in the name.

The Real American Patriotic Minimum Wage Act


I thought it was the Real American Patriotic Emergency Wage Omnibus Minimum Earner's Normalization act.
 
2013-02-14 11:46:51 AM  
And expect places like Buca di Beppo to fight to keep paying their servers the shiat wage of $2.13 an hour, which it has been since about '92, when it went up 2 cents from $2.11/hour.
 
2013-02-14 11:47:11 AM  
Funny. The minimum wage is over $9 here in Washington state, and our economy isn't any worse off than the rest of the country. Better than a lot of places.
 
2013-02-14 11:47:23 AM  
I find it fascinating to see the Armchair Economists who are sure that nothing could ever be so bad as offering higher wages to Minimum Wage workers.

/read a breathless article on Obama "killing" every teenager's part time job. Yes, somehow this would lead to EVERYONE being fired. Somehow.
 
2013-02-14 11:47:26 AM  

SkinnyHead: Why stop at $10?  How about a $20 minimum wage?  Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?


It's interesting to me that you would mockingly make that argument.  I've never seen a Dem take that extreme position, yet there are many Repubs that do in fact espouse the opposite extreme; that there should be no minimum wage at all, at any amount.

So in trying to show how ridiculous the raising of the minimum wage is by bringing up a strawman, you've inadvertently shown how moronic the opposing side is.

So thank you for that.  You are my hero.  Please take care on your Hero's Journey.
 
2013-02-14 11:48:11 AM  
Sorry, but if you're anything but a teenager making minimum wage that's your fault -- not mine.

(When I got laid off 2 years ago, just to get out of the house I went to work part-time for Kellogg's stacking shelves at supermarkets. I was making $12 an hour for a job that really didn't require much thought. I would hate to see how stupid the people are who are making minimum wage well into their 30s or 40s.)
 
2013-02-14 11:48:19 AM  

DamnYankees: Ned Stark: Psst. Increasing minimum wage also increases demand. Cause broke people get less broke.

Yes - thats one of the arguments FOR increasing minimum wage.


...Yes? I know?
 
2013-02-14 11:49:20 AM  

Granny_Panties: Obama needs to learn from his mistakes. It's all in the name.

The Real American Patriotic Minimum Wage Act


The WAGE Act.

White Americans Getting Even Act.  He'd get 100% buy-in from Republicans.
 
2013-02-14 11:49:29 AM  
Boehner:  "When you increase the cost of [minimum, sub-living poverty-wage] employment, you get less of it."

WELL, GOOD!

We don't need or want those kinds of "jobs" displacing living wage jobs anyways!

A raise in the minimum wage amounts to a tax on the big-box chain retailers who have been draining wealth from our communities by displacing locally-owned independent retailers, then hiring those workers at minimum wage, subsidized by public services like food stamps and welfare.

It's about damn time they start to contribute to the communities that host them!
 
2013-02-14 11:49:44 AM  

Endrick: And that percentage would drop by %20 if they called it "Obama's job-killing plan to raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour"


FTFY
 
2013-02-14 11:50:16 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The minimum wage should be enough to afford a basic apartment, transportation, essentials and enough extra to cover occasional emergencies.  I can't imagine how anyone could do those things at current minimum wage levels.


Well as the president mentioned, if that's your income you are below the federal poverty level, which entitles you to numerous government assistance programs, ranging health care to food to housing.

It's not the American dream but you don't just get a "good luck with that."
 
2013-02-14 11:50:21 AM  

Old enough to know better: Funny. The minimum wage is over $9 here in Washington state, and our economy isn't any worse off than the rest of the country. Better than a lot of places.


Yet a 600-square-foot house costs $300,000. Yep, no correlation.
 
2013-02-14 11:50:54 AM  
I believe the Teabaggers in the House would rather be flayed alive with disposable razors dipped in alcohol than countenance such a concept.
 
2013-02-14 11:50:59 AM  
In my experience it already is greater than $10/hr. for most adults.

Minimum wage jobs are for kids (teenagers).
 
2013-02-14 11:51:49 AM  
Everyone pretends like they own a business when this topic comes up. I don't get it.
 
2013-02-14 11:51:58 AM  

SkinnyHead: Why stop at $10?  How about a $20 minimum wage?  Seeing as how minimum wage laws don't kill jobs or nothing like that, why not make it $100 an hour?


We'll all be better off the more of those $7/hour jobs we kill.
 
2013-02-14 11:52:22 AM  
By the way, an interesting aspect of the minimum wage argument is that in a lot of ways this entire argument is created by conservative aversion to spending. The fundamental problem here is that some people are just too poor and can't get by. The obvious solution to this is to simply give them money. But we can't do that, since it would 'increase spending'. So the way to get around this problem is that the government simply mandates that their employers give them the money instead. That way its not "spending".

The same thing happens all over our politics. Why do we mandate employers provide health care? Because if the government did it directly, it would be 'spending'. Keep this kind of thing in mind when you hear people talking about spending caps and how we should never spend more than X% of GDP. The demand for government action on issues doesn't go away, we just change the enforcement mechanism.
 
2013-02-14 11:52:41 AM  

BunkoSquad: I wonder what the ratio of "doom-filled predictions about mass layoffs if the minimum wage goes up" to "evidence that that has ever happened" will be in this thread.


Mass Layoffs? Unlikely. Slow down hiring? Possible, in the short term. How ever, those increased wages would put more money into circulation, and would create more demand.
 
2013-02-14 11:52:58 AM  

Catsaregreen: Old enough to know better: Funny. The minimum wage is over $9 here in Washington state, and our economy isn't any worse off than the rest of the country. Better than a lot of places.

Yet a 600-square-foot house costs $300,000. Yep, no correlation.


You think real estate prices have something to do with minimum wage?
 
2013-02-14 11:53:02 AM  

Cletus C.: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The minimum wage should be enough to afford a basic apartment, transportation, essentials and enough extra to cover occasional emergencies.  I can't imagine how anyone could do those things at current minimum wage levels.

Well as the president mentioned, if that's your income you are below the federal poverty level, which entitles you to numerous government assistance programs, ranging health care to food to housing.

It's not the American dream but you don't just get a "good luck with that."


We are directly subsidizing corporate profits.
 
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