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(Mercury News)   As promised, Tesla releases GPS log of New York Times reviewer. Obvious: Reporter was lying his stickshift off   (mercurynews.com ) divider line 313
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2013-02-14 06:48:42 AM  
Is this reporter's career damaged or does nobody (except Elon Musk) care anymore about such things?
 
2013-02-14 07:08:24 AM  

Sgygus: Is this reporter's career damaged or does nobody (except Elon Musk) care anymore about such things?


I care. When I think of the NYT, I usually think "Integrity", which I understand might be naive of me, but ever since I was a kid that's what they always had. This reporter has no integrity, no scruples, no morals, and he got caught besmirching a good company to what, sell some papers and build his resume'? He's scum in my opinion, and the Times should fire his arse.
 
2013-02-14 07:24:30 AM  

Sgygus: Is this reporter's career damaged or does nobody (except Elon Musk) care anymore about such things?


This reporter is a shill for anti-electric. Lots of "journalists" these days get more than one paycheck.

Tip of the iceberg, my friends. Tip of the iceberg.
 
2013-02-14 08:25:40 AM  
People will still trust the NYT.  I doubt they're worried.
 
2013-02-14 08:26:13 AM  
www.gadgets-weblog.com
 
2013-02-14 08:27:27 AM  

MrBallou: Sgygus: Is this reporter's career damaged or does nobody (except Elon Musk) care anymore about such things?

This reporter is a shill for anti-electric. Lots of "journalists" these days get more than one paycheck.

Tip of the iceberg, my friends. Tip of the iceberg.


And the same dozen assholes will show up in this thread, listing all their 99 reasons why electric cars will "never work".
Humanity has always had these people to deal with.
 
2013-02-14 08:28:44 AM  
Run that reporter's ass out of town. If he wants to make shiat up, Fox News will hire him.
 
2013-02-14 08:28:57 AM  
Electric cars still don't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

I clicked on an ad here (you're welcome Drew) for a Honda Fit EV, because I thought "well, my Fit is pretty awesome, I'll click on this".

Aside from that they're not leasing them in Philadelphia, MSRP is $37k. I got my Fit for like $17k ish in 2010. Who in their right would pay an extra $19k to save the tiny amount on gasoline that the Fit uses?

Also, a range of 70 to 100 miles but "less in cold weather" is pretty terrible.
 
2013-02-14 08:29:13 AM  

jso2897: MrBallou: Sgygus: Is this reporter's career damaged or does nobody (except Elon Musk) care anymore about such things?

This reporter is a shill for anti-electric. Lots of "journalists" these days get more than one paycheck.

Tip of the iceberg, my friends. Tip of the iceberg.

And the same dozen assholes will show up in this thread, listing all their 99 reasons why electric cars will "never work".
Humanity has always had these people to deal with.


Progress usually wins as they die off.
 
2013-02-14 08:29:17 AM  
If Musk is interested. I'll test drive one. Give it a good test, say a year or so?
 
2013-02-14 08:30:28 AM  

jso2897: MrBallou: Sgygus: Is this reporter's career damaged or does nobody (except Elon Musk) care anymore about such things?

This reporter is a shill for anti-electric. Lots of "journalists" these days get more than one paycheck.

Tip of the iceberg, my friends. Tip of the iceberg.

And the same dozen assholes will show up in this thread, listing all their 99 reasons why electric cars will "never work".
Humanity has always had these people to deal with.


To be clear, I don't oppose electric cars (well, I oppose subsidies for them, but I oppose subsidies for *), I just don't see why I would buy one given their current price and range.
 
2013-02-14 08:31:55 AM  
I see someone from the politics tab made it to the article comments before it went green.
 
2013-02-14 08:33:49 AM  
And the lies said "Only long haired freaky people should drive EV cars."

/Lies, lies, everywhere a lie.
 
2013-02-14 08:34:06 AM  
Tesla hasn't released anything this good since 1990.
 
2013-02-14 08:35:58 AM  

YixilTesiphon: snip
To be clear, I don't oppose electric cars (well, I oppose subsidies for them, but I oppose subsidies for *), I just don't see why I would buy one given their current price and range.


But that's the thing about the Tesla - it has a range comparable to a gas car with a smallish tank (around 300 miles with the largest battery pack) - way better than the Leaf and other EVs.  AND Tesla is working at putting "supercharger" stations along the busiest corridors.  Drive 4 hours, stretch your legs for a half hour while it recharges, get back on the road.

As for price, the base-battery model is comparable in price and finish to its real competition - luxury imports.

Yes, it's pricey, but it's not a hippie-mobile.
 
2013-02-14 08:36:10 AM  
Signs is my favorite Tesla song.
 
2013-02-14 08:36:44 AM  

MmmmBacon: I care. When I think of the NYT, I usually think "Integrity", which I understand might be naive of me, but ever since I was a kid that's what they always had. This reporter has no integrity, no scruples, no morals, and he got caught besmirching a good company to what, sell some papers and build his resume'? He's scum in my opinion, and the Times should fire his arse.


One name: Walter Duranty.

/unless you were born before 1922, the NYT has never had integrity while you were alive
//only the illusion of it
 
2013-02-14 08:36:48 AM  
The biggest problem with electric cars right now is price.  My fiance drives 35 miles a day, perfect candidate for an electric car, but when shopping it just made no financial sense to buy her one.

/Ended up with a Prius C nice car good gas mileage.
 
2013-02-14 08:37:49 AM  

jso2897: And the same dozen assholes will show up in this thread, listing all their 99 reasons why electric cars will "never work".


I assume I'm one of those assholes, but I never said they will "never work", just that until you get a range and "refuel" time comparable to liquid fueled vehicles, pure EVs will remain a niche vehicle, for urban commuters and urban delivery.

I just don't see battery technology ever getting us there, not in the near future at any rate.  Fuel cell powered electrics might, though.
 
2013-02-14 08:37:55 AM  

Mutated-Snoopy: YixilTesiphon: snip
To be clear, I don't oppose electric cars (well, I oppose subsidies for them, but I oppose subsidies for *), I just don't see why I would buy one given their current price and range.

But that's the thing about the Tesla - it has a range comparable to a gas car with a smallish tank (around 300 miles with the largest battery pack) - way better than the Leaf and other EVs.  AND Tesla is working at putting "supercharger" stations along the busiest corridors.  Drive 4 hours, stretch your legs for a half hour while it recharges, get back on the road.

As for price, the base-battery model is comparable in price and finish to its real competition - luxury imports.

Yes, it's pricey, but it's not a hippie-mobile.


Yeah, my post was completely off-topic in that I am never going to be a luxury car customer.
 
2013-02-14 08:37:55 AM  
I had a dream last night that I was with Elon Musk in his small Las Vegas apartment. I talked with him about his stereo and his computer, then he showed me his prosthetic arms. He looked like Mark Ruffalo, the guy that played Hulk. Then I think he had to leave to feed his neighbor's cat.
 
2013-02-14 08:38:56 AM  
I was gonna troll, but now that it's expected, it seems like kind of a waste of time.

I think Tesla has this whole electric car thing worked out, and once the technology becomes more ubiquitous, the price will come down.  I've never taken much stock in the opinions of the journalists at the NYT, and now I'll certainly question the veracity of everything I read from them (which anyone should do anyway nowadays, regardless of the journalistic source)
 
2013-02-14 08:39:10 AM  

dittybopper: jso2897: And the same dozen assholes will show up in this thread, listing all their 99 reasons why electric cars will "never work".

I assume I'm one of those assholes, but I never said they will "never work", just that until you get a range and "refuel" time comparable to liquid fueled vehicles, pure EVs will remain a niche vehicle, for urban commuters and urban delivery.

I just don't see battery technology ever getting us there, not in the near future at any rate.  Fuel cell powered electrics might, though.


If Honda made a CNG Fit that I could refuel at home with a compressor, I'd be interested. Would certainly be a lot cleaner than gasoline.
 
2013-02-14 08:40:13 AM  

ChrisDe: Run that reporter's ass out of town. If he wants to make shiat up, Fox News will hire him.


NY Times and Fox are owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Making shiat up is nothing new to Murdoch and his minions.
 
2013-02-14 08:40:19 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Aside from that they're not leasing them in Philadelphia, MSRP is $37k. I got my Fit for like $17k ish in 2010. Who in their right would pay an extra $19k to save the tiny amount on gasoline that the Fit uses?


Tax credits offset part of that - but in answer, the people I know who own EVs do so mainly to reduce their consumption of oil.  Like with most limited resources, oil use is a 'tragedy of the commons' - it's generally in everyone's individual best interests to buy a gasoline engine over a hybrid or electric, but it's also in the collective's worst interests to do so.
 
2013-02-14 08:40:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Signs is my favorite Tesla song.


It's not a Tesla song, it's a song that Tesla remade.  Originally recorded by the Five Man Electrical Band in 1970).
 
2013-02-14 08:40:58 AM  
I look forward to buying an electric, self-driving car. Of course, my entire household drives about... 5 miles a week. We don't expect to upgrade our car anytime soon.
 
2013-02-14 08:41:47 AM  
Back in my day, you were disqualified from working at the NYT if you had ever accepted a freebie from any source. Times (!) may have changed. But I still expect Broder will lose his job.
 
2013-02-14 08:42:48 AM  
Top Gear was full of shiat too.
 
2013-02-14 08:43:41 AM  
Face it libs... electric cars don't work.  For all of my tax money were spending on this looser technology, we could be exploring and drilling for enough energy to make us independent from Arab oil for years.

Hate to burst your slimy green bubbles, but these are the facts:

1.  Batteries are to expensive, heavy, and toxic to produce.  The cadmium is killing birds and deer all over Ontario.  Just think how much toxicity those Tesla modle S batteries are making through Cadmium alone.  A Hummer is far cleaner overall.

2.  Towing.  I can't tow a camper or boat with a Tesla.  Who would buy a car you can't go duck hunting with?  It simply serves no purpose.

3.  Where is the electricity to charge the car coming from?  Solar?  HA!  That may work in small underpopulated warm countries like Germany and England, but America is to big and has too many clouds to make it work, especially at night.  Wind?  Yeah, the birds LOVE that!  Nuclear... well, this would work, but you liberal pansies killed that off years ago.  Besides, polution from coal (even clean coal) is worse than a car.  You libs don't get it... a car engine produces very little smog.  And don't go on about CO2... you're hot air is poluting more than anything else.

4.  Cost.  Technoligy gets more expensive as it goes on.  I remember when a flip phone was free... now an iPhone costs $99.  Same with cars.  Yugos used to cosk 4K, now the cheapest car you can get is 10K (for pretty much the same thing).  A Volt costs 85K to produce now... that number is going to be 150K in a few years.  Who can afford that.

Best bet... stop with the electricity nonsense.  Leave it for golf carts (even then, they are weak, but safer for lady and children golfers).  Lets reinvest all those tax $$$ into drilling at home, for our home markets.

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2013-02-14 08:43:43 AM  
I heard the Model S molests children and is the official vehicle of ObamaCare Death Panels.
 
2013-02-14 08:44:19 AM  

hippyneil: ChrisDe: Run that reporter's ass out of town. If he wants to make shiat up, Fox News will hire him.

NY Times and Fox are owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Making shiat up is nothing new to Murdoch and his minions.


Yeahhhhh, it's the New York Times that has issues with making shiat up.
 
2013-02-14 08:44:25 AM  

Ecobuckeye: Tesla hasn't released anything this good since 1990.


You mean the remake from 1970?
 
2013-02-14 08:45:04 AM  
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2013-02-14 08:45:26 AM  

hippyneil: NY Times and Fox are owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Making shiat up is nothing new to Murdoch and his minions.


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/Hint: Fox is owned by Murdoch, NY Times is it's own entity.
 
2013-02-14 08:45:52 AM  

dittybopper: pure EVs will remain a niche vehicle, for urban commuters and urban delivery.


By the time EVs have the range and refuel time of gasoline vehicles, urban commuters won't be a niche. The suburbs are rapidly becoming ghettos as urban neighborhoods gentrify. 50% of Americans live in cities, and the number is increasing. Cities are starting to learn that optimizing infrastructure for cars is suicide, and are starting to favor pedestrian, bike, and mass transportation.

The future is small EVs.

Sum Dum Gai: , the people I know who own EVs do so mainly to reduce their consumption of oil


The unfortunate downside is that EVs require other precious, non-renewable resources. Yes, most of them can be recycled, but a lot of the electronic components require minerals harvested from regions of the world that make the Middle East look like a bunch of hippies sitting around a campfire singing "Kumbaya".
 
2013-02-14 08:45:59 AM  

ChrisDe: Run that reporter's ass out of town. If he wants to make shiat up, Fox News will hire him.


Derp. No, he makes shiat up. That's why he works for NYT. They've been a joke for some time now. But nice try with the "Faux News" talking point.
 
2013-02-14 08:46:11 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Electric cars still don't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

I clicked on an ad here (you're welcome Drew) for a Honda Fit EV, because I thought "well, my Fit is pretty awesome, I'll click on this".

Aside from that they're not leasing them in Philadelphia, MSRP is $37k. I got my Fit for like $17k ish in 2010. Who in their right would pay an extra $19k to save the tiny amount on gasoline that the Fit uses?

Also, a range of 70 to 100 miles but "less in cold weather" is pretty terrible.


I dont know.  Maybe someone that doesn't want to $14 a day in gas, can ride the HOV lanes (saving 20 minutes each way), and doesn't require $750 timing belt changes and 80$ oil changes.    Or, someone who drives 5 miles a day to work, and doesn't want to get oil changes ever 2 months because they are turning their oil into acid.

Not even getting into how much it costs to replace an automatic transmission nowadays.  (~$4k)
Plus, in 10 years, you probably can replace your batteries with a set that goes twice as far.

I personally like being able to just pull into the garage and plug it in and done.  No waiting in line at the gas station out  in the cold, rain, or heat.
 
2013-02-14 08:46:20 AM  
Is this guy related to David Broder?
 
2013-02-14 08:46:43 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Top Gear was full of shiat too.


No one turns on "Top Gear" expecting a fact-based experience.
 
2013-02-14 08:47:09 AM  
Broder should be fired, but he won't be.  The Times is as corrupt as any other newspaper.  Tesla vehicles are high priced status symbols. Let's not pretend any single family vehicle is cost or environmentally efficient.  Government subsidies for alternative energy get pocketed.

I think I've covered it all.
 
2013-02-14 08:47:43 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Electric cars still don't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

I clicked on an ad here (you're welcome Drew) for a Honda Fit EV, because I thought "well, my Fit is pretty awesome, I'll click on this".

Aside from that they're not leasing them in Philadelphia, MSRP is $37k. I got my Fit for like $17k ish in 2010. Who in their right would pay an extra $19k to save the tiny amount on gasoline that the Fit uses?

Also, a range of 70 to 100 miles but "less in cold weather" is pretty terrible.


Early gas powered cars were objectively worse in every way than horses.  Early computers weren't useful to most people.  Early cell phones were the size of bricks.  Etc., etc.
 
2013-02-14 08:48:51 AM  
Didn't the New York Times rape and murder a girl in the early 80's?
 
2013-02-14 08:48:57 AM  

dittybopper: AverageAmericanGuy: Signs is my favorite Tesla song.

It's not a Tesla song, it's a song that Tesla remade.  Originally recorded by the Five Man Electrical Band in 1970).


You mean Five Man Acoustical Jam, I think.
 
2013-02-14 08:49:19 AM  

Tom_Slick: The biggest problem with electric cars right now is price.  My fiance drives 35 miles a day, perfect candidate for an electric car, but when shopping it just made no financial sense to buy her one.

/Ended up with a Prius C nice car good gas mileage.


Why does she need an electric car anyway.  Peapod will deliver food to the house, so there is not much reason for her to get out of the kitchen.
 
2013-02-14 08:49:56 AM  

Sum Dum Gai: Tax credits offset part of that


Don't you want to pay your fair share of taxes?  I mean, this is basically a tax break for the top 10% of the country that can afford these vehicles, isn't it?

EV's are for middle aged rich white men:

The independent reports add to the prevailing profile of electric-car owners as affluent people who are not (and don't have to be) terribly concerned about the high purchase price of the current crop of plug-in vehicles compared with ordinary cars, or even conventional hybrids.
...
EV owners and fans were primarily "very well educated, upper-middle class white men in their early 50s with ideal living situations for EV charging," usually garages where they can recharge their cars overnight, said the group's report.
 
2013-02-14 08:50:46 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Top Gear was full of shiat too.


have....have you never actually watched the show?
 
2013-02-14 08:52:20 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Electric cars still don't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

I clicked on an ad here (you're welcome Drew) for a Honda Fit EV, because I thought "well, my Fit is pretty awesome, I'll click on this".

Aside from that they're not leasing them in Philadelphia, MSRP is $37k. I got my Fit for like $17k ish in 2010. Who in their right would pay an extra $19k to save the tiny amount on gasoline that the Fit uses?

Also, a range of 70 to 100 miles but "less in cold weather" is pretty terrible.


Every emerging product has a higher initial cost. That's why there are early adopters, and people like you who will wait till prices come down. Be happy and support the early adopters who will effectively allow the product pricing to come down to a level most people can justify and afford.
 
2013-02-14 08:52:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: dittybopper: AverageAmericanGuy: Signs is my favorite Tesla song.

It's not a Tesla song, it's a song that Tesla remade.  Originally recorded by the Five Man Electrical Band in 1970).

You mean Five Man Acoustical Jam, I think.


You think wrong.   Five Man Acoustical Jam was the album that Tesla released that song on, and it was a play on the name of the original band that recorded it.
 
2013-02-14 08:53:14 AM  
If the reporter had done any research on the Model S, he would have realized it is totally-Internet-connected, so of course an absolute full second-by-second log of everything can be recorded.  I didn't take a detour... well according to the GPS route trace, you did.  I had to drive at 45 mph... no you were driving at 55mph, etc.  This is NOT a good car for anyone worried about "Big Brother".  With the iPhone app I can get a live status of where my car is, and how fast it is driving.  If someone were to "hack" into my Tesla account, they could theoretically spy on me.  A reporter borrowing a car from Tesla Motors should not expect any privacy, particularly when he intentionally when he writes a "National Enquirer"-quality article.

I own a Model S.  Yes, cold weather does reduce the range.  Yes, I do have to make sure I have a full charge before I head out on a long trip.  But even in cold weather conditions where the battery had to use power to warm itself, and I had the cabin heated to 24C, I was still able to drive 250km with ~50km remaining estimated range.  Yes, I still own a conventional gasoline car because there are times you need greater range.  But 90% of the time, the largest battery pack will suffice.
 
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