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(Yahoo)   The official police response to the quote, "We are going to go forward with the plan to burn", is here: "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 479
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2013-02-14 08:29:58 AM  
Adapted from the redlit thread:

It's about the crime and the cover-up.
 
2013-02-14 08:33:20 AM  
What would have been a more sensible alternative?  Sending in a SWAT team so that he could perhaps take one more cop out with him?  Waiting him out, risking getting shot at?  I don't know if this was a legal or illegal thing for the cops to do, that's for the courts to decide, but I can't really say I blame them.
 
2013-02-14 08:33:30 AM  
Perhaps they should stop calling tear-gas canisters "burners."

At the same time, the Air Force should stop using foxes to bring down enemy aircraft. It's inhumane.
 
2013-02-14 08:38:39 AM  
In before the Dornobs.
 
2013-02-14 08:44:46 AM  
"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out"

Mission accomplished.
 
2013-02-14 08:55:03 AM  

quatchi: "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out"

Mission accomplished.


Heh.  Exactly.

"We officially burned that cabin down to burn Mr. Dorner alive inside it"  doesn't come off as family-friendly.
 
2013-02-14 09:04:13 AM  
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 09:18:31 AM  
Wow, two greenlights.

nekom: What would have been a more sensible alternative?  Sending in a SWAT team so that he could perhaps take one more cop out with him?  Waiting him out, risking getting shot at?  I don't know if this was a legal or illegal thing for the cops to do, that's for the courts to decide, but I can't really say I blame them.


The whole thing is a bit silly.  What could there possibly be to cover up?  They had plenty of justification to use deadly force.  If they had a clear shot they could have simply shot him in the head like police did with the guy in Alabama.
 
2013-02-14 09:24:33 AM  

born_yesterday: quatchi: "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out"

Mission accomplished.

Heh.  Exactly.

"We officially burned that cabin down to burn Mr. Dorner alive inside it"  doesn't come off as family-friendly.


They did it to prevent more police shootings of anyone in a pickup truck.
 
2013-02-14 09:32:46 AM  
Did anybody else catch this gem at the bottom:

A $1 million reward had been offered for Dorner's capture and conviction. LAPD Officer Alex Martinez said the mayor's office will determine if the money is paid out.

"I don't think there's going to be a reward," he said. "Remember, it's capture and conviction. There was no capture and no conviction. It's kind of a no-brainer."


We won't be paying out a reward because we cooked him rather than capturing him.  Try again next time guys!
 
2013-02-14 09:35:39 AM  

Thoguh: Did anybody else catch this gem at the bottom:

A $1 million reward had been offered for Dorner's capture and conviction. LAPD Officer Alex Martinez said the mayor's office will determine if the money is paid out.

"I don't think there's going to be a reward," he said. "Remember, it's capture and conviction. There was no capture and no conviction. It's kind of a no-brainer."

We won't be paying out a reward because we cooked him rather than capturing him.  Try again next time guys!


That was called immediately in a thread here as soon as it was announced (well before the cabin seige).  Can't remember by who, but kudos to you.  You're cynicism has paid off!  Better than the LAPD, anyways.
 
2013-02-14 09:42:11 AM  
I'm still amazed that the LAPD manages to make a crazy guy hunting down and killing their family members come off as being the lesser evil.
 
2013-02-14 09:43:29 AM  
oh of course they meant to burn him out of that cabin.  it's totally cool tho guys, we know ya wanted Dorner dead.  He knew it too.  And to be completely honest most people in this country don't really give a damn about how it turned out.  the authoritarians like to see cop killers die horrible painful deaths, the gun nuts got their tale of bloody woe, which oddly enough worked for the anti-gun crowd as well.  And average people got the message hammered home: kill a cop and you die by inches.  everyone goes home happy.

enjoy it.  revel in it.
 
2013-02-14 09:49:14 AM  
Meh, if you shoot a cop, the chances that you will be killed before capture increase dramatically.  Everyone knows this.  Always have known this.
 
2013-02-14 10:06:38 AM  

Weaver95: oh of course they meant to burn him out of that cabin.  it's totally cool tho guys, we know ya wanted Dorner dead.  He knew it too.  And to be completely honest most people in this country don't really give a damn about how it turned out.  the authoritarians like to see cop killers die horrible painful deaths, the gun nuts got their tale of bloody woe, which oddly enough worked for the anti-gun crowd as well.  And average people got the message hammered home: kill a cop and you die by inches.  everyone goes home happy.

enjoy it.  revel in it.


You have summed it up fairly exactly. I may steal this if any of my friends get all puffy about the story.
 
2013-02-14 10:09:21 AM  
So the fire was a bug, not a feature of throwing firey smoke grenades into a dry cabin made of wood?
 
2013-02-14 10:11:06 AM  

unlikely: Weaver95: oh of course they meant to burn him out of that cabin.  it's totally cool tho guys, we know ya wanted Dorner dead.  He knew it too.  And to be completely honest most people in this country don't really give a damn about how it turned out.  the authoritarians like to see cop killers die horrible painful deaths, the gun nuts got their tale of bloody woe, which oddly enough worked for the anti-gun crowd as well.  And average people got the message hammered home: kill a cop and you die by inches.  everyone goes home happy.

enjoy it.  revel in it.

You have summed it up fairly exactly. I may steal this if any of my friends get all puffy about the story.


I honestly don't know why people are upset about this.  the bad guy is dead, the gun nuts get to say 'guns saved lives' and the gun control folks get to say 'see!  now we see the violence inherent in the system!'.  this didn't effect most people's lives in any significant manner (other than as entertainment).  i'm sure both sides will pontificate about it in any event...but probably not for very long.  in 6 months, everyone will have forgotten all about this incident.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 10:15:15 AM  
Weaver95:

I honestly don't know why people are upset about this.  the bad guy is dead, the gun nuts get to say 'guns saved lives' and the gun control folks get to say 'see!  now we see the violence inherent in the system!'.  this didn't effect most people's lives in any significant manner (other than as entertainment).  i'm sure both sides will pontificate about it in any event...but probably not for very long.  in 6 months, everyone will have forgotten all about this incident.

Well, the daddy of the innocent woman he killed along with her fiancé was a former LAPD captain so that means he was a hero.  I guess.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 10:15:55 AM  
assholes and idiots... across the board.   The human race is going to kill itself with da stupid.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-02-14 10:16:44 AM  

Weaver95: I honestly don't know why people are upset about this. the bad guy is dead, the gun nuts get to say 'guns saved lives' and the gun control folks get to say 'see! now we see the violence inherent in the system!'. this didn't effect most people's lives in any significant manner (other than as entertainment). i'm sure both sides will pontificate about it in any event...but probably not for very long. in 6 months, everyone will have forgotten all about this incident.


Easy... they didn't follow the law.
 
2013-02-14 10:17:41 AM  

Weaver95: I honestly don't know why people are upset about this


Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with allowing the police to shortcut the court system whenever they feel like it? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Who needs things like trials and evidence? Just let the police kill anyone they say did something bad.
 
2013-02-14 10:18:10 AM  
 
2013-02-14 10:18:14 AM  

Weaver95: oh of course they meant to burn him out of that cabin.  it's totally cool tho guys, we know ya wanted Dorner dead.  He knew it too.  And to be completely honest most people in this country don't really give a damn about how it turned out.  the authoritarians like to see cop killers die horrible painful deaths, the gun nuts got their tale of bloody woe, which oddly enough worked for the anti-gun crowd as well.  And average people got the message hammered home: kill a cop and you die by inches.  everyone goes home happy.

enjoy it.  revel in it.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-14 10:18:51 AM  
You know what would be really ballsy?  His estate filing a constitutional tort action.
 
2013-02-14 10:18:59 AM  
Bullshiaaaaat
 
2013-02-14 10:19:17 AM  

nekom: I don't know if this was a legal or illegal thing for the cops to do


You're unsure if the police burning someone alive is illegal or not?
 
2013-02-14 10:19:36 AM  
"My name is Christopher Dorner and I used to be a renegade until..."
We are going to go forward with the plan to burn
When you're burned, you've got nothing: no cash, no credit, no job history. You're stuck in whatever urn they decide to dump you in.
.
.
.
Bottom line? Until you figure out who burned you... you're not going anywhere.
 
2013-02-14 10:20:11 AM  
Dead men tell no tales
 
2013-02-14 10:20:11 AM  
"Ok, go ahead with the...uh, with what we planned." is pretty funny.  They don't want to admit that they had planned to burn him down the whole time.
 
2013-02-14 10:20:14 AM  

d23: The human race is going to kill itself with da stupid.


We never would have gotten this far if that was the case.
 
2013-02-14 10:20:51 AM  
first time alex jones has been right in years..he spent 4 hours talking about it yesterday LOL
 
2013-02-14 10:21:23 AM  
I'm not sure this is the guy we want to be the poster child for reining in police abuses. Dude had it coming if you ask me.
 
2013-02-14 10:21:34 AM  

ggecko: Link to the news video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dxWVmRVpZs


The smoking gun?  Also, a few NSFW words at the end, FYI.
 
2013-02-14 10:21:41 AM  

Weaver95: unlikely: Weaver95: oh of course they meant to burn him out of that cabin.  it's totally cool tho guys, we know ya wanted Dorner dead.  He knew it too.  And to be completely honest most people in this country don't really give a damn about how it turned out.  the authoritarians like to see cop killers die horrible painful deaths, the gun nuts got their tale of bloody woe, which oddly enough worked for the anti-gun crowd as well.  And average people got the message hammered home: kill a cop and you die by inches.  everyone goes home happy.

enjoy it.  revel in it.

You have summed it up fairly exactly. I may steal this if any of my friends get all puffy about the story.

I honestly don't know why people are upset about this.  the bad guy is dead, the gun nuts get to say 'guns saved lives' and the gun control folks get to say 'see!  now we see the violence inherent in the system!'.  this didn't effect most people's lives in any significant manner (other than as entertainment).  i'm sure both sides will pontificate about it in any event...but probably not for very long.  in 6 months, everyone will have forgotten all about this incident.


Because the systemic corruption and incompetency of America's big city police forces rolls on unchallenged. A guy who could have been a piece of bringing that system back in line with competent professional behavior instead proved how out of control it is.

Drive a pick up truck, get shot on sight. No accountability whatsoever. Unions to defend the shield. America's police.
 
2013-02-14 10:22:11 AM  
Burn it all down, pookie!
 
2013-02-14 10:22:27 AM  
Wasn't the area engulfed in a cloud of flying bullets? I don't think a reassurance hug was possible in this situation.
 
2013-02-14 10:23:03 AM  
Are they sure it wasn't a brainwashed LL Cool J and Dorner is living as Cool now?
 
2013-02-14 10:23:26 AM  
They Koreshed him. Not that he didn't deserve it, but it seems to be a law enforcement signature move.
 
2013-02-14 10:23:57 AM  

nekom: What would have been a more sensible alternative?  Sending in a SWAT team so that he could perhaps take one more cop out with him?  Waiting him out, risking getting shot at?  I don't know if this was a legal or illegal thing for the cops to do, that's for the courts to decide, but I can't really say I blame them.


Given the accusations of Dorner, I'd say the thing to do would have been just leave him barricaded in until the FBI can arrive en masse.  Have some sharpshooters ready to go and if he comes out shooting, by all means have them kill him.  That said, wait for the FBI to arrive, offer him a chance to surrender into federal custody and tell the Feds his side of the brutality claims.  Give him a couple hours to consider that offer and then breach if he hasn't offered.  Frankly he wasn't that much of a danger once he was in a cabin without most of his gear and the police had defensive positions around it.  He'd tried to break out one and been pushed back with no injuries.  Once you have some sharpshooters covering the doors and windows, plus a tac team safety behind an armored vehicle, the only way he massacres you is if you're incompetent clowns.

Between the two pickups various police forces mistakenly attacked and burning Dorner out, this whole thing doesn't inspire much confidence in SoCal law enforcement.
 
2013-02-14 10:24:32 AM  
They didn't need any water, they just let it burn.
 
2013-02-14 10:25:13 AM  

I_C_Weener: So the fire was a bug, not a feature of throwing firey smoke grenades into a dry cabin made of wood?


So, you are implying that Bill Gates ordered the burn?
 
2013-02-14 10:25:30 AM  
Remember the important detail here is that the intentional burning was done in order to silence the truth. The truth about crooked cops. Deny later, the public will accept because that's what they want to believe. This man did not get due process, did not get his competence checked, did not get his side of the story heard, and now that he is dead we will never know the TRUTH he tried to share with us.  Up in flames so the people can continue believing their fairy tales.
 
2013-02-14 10:25:35 AM  

d23: assholes and idiots... across the board.   The human race is going to kill itself with da stupid.


No, it's not. As has always been, it shall always be.
 
2013-02-14 10:25:38 AM  
They should probably stop calling Hot-style gas canisters Burners. And also stop firing them into houses, since they're not terribly safe.
 
GBB
2013-02-14 10:26:39 AM  
TFA: "His deputies lobbed pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin "
AFA: "Pyrotechnic Tear Gas: LAPD Did NOT Use It On Dorner"

This is how conspiracy theories form.
And, unless a 3rd party agency investigates Dorner's claims, LAPD will undoubtedly state, "After reviewing our own investigation, we conclude we did nothing wrong in terminating Dorner."
 
2013-02-14 10:26:41 AM  

Weaver95: I honestly don't know why people are upset about this. the bad guy is dead, the gun nuts get to say 'guns saved lives' and the gun control folks get to say 'see! now we see the violence inherent in the system!'. this didn't effect most people's lives in any significant manner (other than as entertainment). i'm sure both sides will pontificate about it in any event...but probably not for very long. in 6 months, everyone will have forgotten all about this incident.


And Dorner's allegations will never need to be investigated, thus solving the LAPD's problems once and for all.
 
2013-02-14 10:26:42 AM  
The cops have proved Dorner's point beyond a shadow of doubt.
Get used to it, the lies will never stop.
"They" think you are too stupid to get any truth at all at any time in any place.

Watching the primadonna press appearences was just painful.
Romney has no exclusive on complete detatchment from humanity and the contempt for citizenry that is rankly obvious.

"we" vs. "they" is on
 
2013-02-14 10:27:10 AM  
 
2013-02-14 10:27:37 AM  
If there's one thing the police really are good at, it's covering up crimes.
 
2013-02-14 10:27:43 AM  

GBB: TFA: "His deputies lobbed pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin "
AFA: "Pyrotechnic Tear Gas: LAPD Did NOT Use It On Dorner"

This is how conspiracy theories form.
And, unless a 3rd party agency investigates Dorner's claims, LAPD will undoubtedly state, "After reviewing our own investigation, we conclude we did nothing wrong in terminating Dorner."



Patience, Grasshopper.
Oliver Stone will be all over this one.
 
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