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(Time)   Mass Effect, Dead Space, Bioshock, Borderlands, Fallout 3 - if you've played any of these modern shooters, you've felt the influence of System Shock 2, which after legal hassles and technical issues were settled, is available again for today's gamers   (techland.time.com) divider line 20
    More: Spiffy, Mass Effect, System Shock 3, BioShock, rights issues, undue influence, gamers  
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2013-02-14 11:10:06 AM  
4 votes:
Best part about it coming out on GoG - they'll do all the heavy lifting for making it work on Windows 7/8.

Now, they just need to send someone over to Skywalker Ranch and put a horse heads in Lucas's bed until he lets them sell the X-Wing / TIE Fighter series.
2013-02-14 11:06:05 AM  
4 votes:
System Shock 2, yeah yeah yeah...

Now how about someone gets TIE Fighter working on a modern system?
2013-02-14 10:53:42 AM  
2 votes:

DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.


BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.
2013-02-14 10:48:12 AM  
2 votes:
GoG.com is super, ridiculously awesome.  It's a ton of fun to go back and play some of these games from my youth... and I'm surprised at how games like MoO2 or Roller Coaster Tycoon or Neverwinter Nights are still awesome after all these years.
2013-02-14 09:13:51 AM  
2 votes:
Damn, big enough to get on Time?  This is one of the only PC games I still have the original disc for.  If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend picking this one up on GoG.
2013-02-16 12:10:26 PM  
1 votes:

Captain Meatsack: OK.  Back to System Shock 2.  I bought it off GOG last night and played until 2 AM.  It still has it where it counts.  Plenty of creepiness.  The amazing thing is that it just goes to show that graphics are where all the bloat is in the size of games nowadays.  For SS2, the installer is just 362MB.  The whole installation is just 709MB.  Saves and loads are near instantaneous on today's hardware.  I'm really enjoying this!

\A damn sight faster than my Pentium 266 back in the day!


I'm getting a huge kick out of going back and playing older titles I didn't have the privilege of playing when they first came out.  Quality is not a graphic.  Quality gets it's hooks in you no matter how blocky or unintelligible the graphics are.  I farking love it!
2013-02-16 11:06:13 AM  
1 votes:
OK.  Back to System Shock 2.  I bought it off GOG last night and played until 2 AM.  It still has it where it counts.  Plenty of creepiness.  The amazing thing is that it just goes to show that graphics are where all the bloat is in the size of games nowadays.  For SS2, the installer is just 362MB.  The whole installation is just 709MB.  Saves and loads are near instantaneous on today's hardware.  I'm really enjoying this!

\A damn sight faster than my Pentium 266 back in the day!
2013-02-15 09:54:24 PM  
1 votes:
indoctrination theory is real to me

I buy that as the only acceptable explanation and resolution to the otherwise abortion of an end to an epic, great scifi franchise.

It's ironic that even when they accidentally write a good ending, the terribleness at bioware has to look that gift horse in the mouth and insist their retarded half-assed ending is canon.

the reason that story was ruined is the same reason EAioware will ruin everything they touch... the synergy of those organizations can't get over themselves and get out of the way of letting a good game happen. They'll never admit to being wrong, never fix a mistake. It's never a problem with the game, it's just a message conveyance issue... "see, this game is really great, you entitled gamers just don't understand what a good video game is"

To borrow a phrase; they could screw up a wet dream.

/haven't bought an EA game since and never will again.
//meanwhile, I'll just mail CDProjekt Red money without asking anything in return. I know they'll give me something awesome time after time after time eventually.
2013-02-15 01:05:34 AM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Dimensio: The Crucible and the motive of the Reapers both should have been referenced in the second game, even if those references were cryptic revelations that made sense only with context of events of the third game.

The motives of the reapers never should have been addressed at all.  Why do the reapers do it?  Because, they're reapers.  Enough said.  They are too epic to try to assign motivations to.

Sadly, if you find a copy of the Art of Mass Effect in a book store, you will know for certain the authors were just making it up as they went along... never good.

Giving the Reapers motivation is not bad in itself. Giving the Reapers a seemingly flawed motivation (as many gamers judged the motivation to be) is also not bad in itself, so long as the game acknowledges the motives as being flawed. Stating the motivation only at the very end, with only one previous line of dialogue in the entire series (and that in the final game) offered as foreshadowing (with the option of purchasing extra downloadable content for more explanation) was poor storytelling.


The part about stating the motivation at the very end with the only foreshadowing being in the last game was poor storytelling. What was worse storytelling was the being that was giving the explanation being a plot hole you could shove the Citadel through.
2013-02-14 08:00:17 PM  
1 votes:

Sergeant Grumbles: I think what galls people the most is that you have to take one of the choices the Catalyst gives you. Refusing is the same as failing.
That was my only problem.  It seemed like the game had given you the idea that Shepard could choose his own way, that you'd be able to find a way to defeat the Reapers and find peace without the Deus ex Machina that the Catalyst provided.


The entire series was about choices.  Until the end of it, then the choices didnt matter for shiat.  Its been run over the coals by enough critics.  Enough "old fans" feel betrayed enough by it that Bioware didnt get our cash for it.  And now we know to be more careful with their future products.  Caveat Emptor.  If your smart, you acquire and test your games now before you buy.  In buying video games you are either into stealing or gambling.
2013-02-14 03:44:05 PM  
1 votes:
I say just let the ME series die. It barely limped over the finish line to begin with.
2013-02-14 03:35:06 PM  
1 votes:

moralpanic: umad: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3
//or TORtanic

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Enjoy your yearly copy-pasted EAified experience full of on-disk dlc and microtransactions. I'll keep giving my money to developers who don't suck.
2013-02-14 03:08:48 PM  
1 votes:

neuroflare: Dimensio: neuroflare: I've got system shock (the original) sitting on my computer. Does anyone know of an engine update for it (similar to the ones for doom, IE mouselook and 3rd)? One website I see alludes to it, but they only allow 150 guests before you are blacklisted and cannot even register.

I located a working download link here, but I am currently unable to verify whether it is the proper mouselook mod.

Ooohh.. much obliged, thank you. Testing here in a few moments


Success! I wonder if there's a full blown engine update, too.
2013-02-14 02:01:17 PM  
1 votes:
Silais: Short version: the entire action-based RPG genre owes its very existence to this title.

You mean first person action-based RPG.

Secret of Mana came out earlier :D
2013-02-14 01:39:27 PM  
1 votes:

mooseyfate: Not to start a pissing contest, but how exactly does Fallout 3 owe anything to System Shock? The canon and setting came from the original Fallout titles/Wasteland, and the engine and gameplay came from the foundation layed by past Elder Scroll titles. Or is anything that's action/adventure, 1st/3rd person, and involves space/technology/alternate future settings considered to be derivative of System Shock?

/also, I'm adding another game to my list of ye olde games I'm wanting play
//currently working on Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock#Legacy

Short version: the entire action-based RPG genre owes its very existence to this title.  In terms of overall influence on the entirety of gaming, System Shock is in the top three, if not the very highest.
2013-02-14 01:32:57 PM  
1 votes:
Uzzah: But realistically, you've gotten much of the SS2 experience with Bioshock.

No you haven't.

Bioshock was a watered down version of system shock 2
2013-02-14 12:20:46 PM  
1 votes:

Meethos: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

Yep, EA isn't done farking that chicken just yet.


After what EA did to the ME3 ending, they can all go collectively fark themselves.  Not another dime of money to them.  And Dragon Age III?  Kiss my ass.
2013-02-14 11:45:14 AM  
1 votes:

RoxtarRyan: Glitchwerks: Swap out Borderlands for Deus Ex and the headline would have been better.

Awesome game. Disappointed by the sequels.


Human revolution was fun, outside the tacked on boss fights.  The rest of the game was pretty much what I wanted out of a DE game.
2013-02-14 11:36:22 AM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Slam Dunkz: The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

Uh huh.


DamnYankees: umad: You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3

Loved DA2, though it wasn't as good as the first.

ME3 was brilliant until the end.


LOL You loved DA2?  DA was barely passable as an RPG.  It was a severely watered down RPG game.  DA2 went further in that direction.  You are either new to gaming or haven't played any of the great RPGs from the past because your litmus test is the gaming equivalent of calling Olive Garden good italian food.

Fano: Slam Dunkz: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

You say that like it's a good thing. The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

System shock was awesome!  Glad to see folks appreciate it.

You mean the online gold box style game?


Yup!
Neverwinter Nights
2013-02-14 11:16:51 AM  
1 votes:

Karac: I've got the collector's edition CD and got it to work on Windows 7, using a Logitech ps2-style gamepad as a control.  It's wasn't as good a system as the joystick I used to have, but they don't even sell anything that has that port on it anymore.

I might have used DosBOX, but I don't think so; I never quite figured out how to get it to use CD's.


Oh, I know it's possible with a specific version of the game, a lot of fiddling, some exe injection and a few repeated voodoo dances. I just want a nice $10 no-thought-required package from the GoG guys.
 
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