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(Time)   Mass Effect, Dead Space, Bioshock, Borderlands, Fallout 3 - if you've played any of these modern shooters, you've felt the influence of System Shock 2, which after legal hassles and technical issues were settled, is available again for today's gamers   (techland.time.com) divider line 236
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2013-02-14 01:43:03 PM
Hey, everybody who hasn't played it yet and is going too.....

I suggest your first run, stick with conventional weaponry, stay away from most Psi, and put some points into hacking.  Also, ammo is farking scarce.  And if you are going for melee, you should commit to it (the final melee weapon is bad-ass).

Also...fark those damn spiders.
 
2013-02-14 01:47:30 PM
Having never played SS2, I'm curious to see if it still holds up to the gaming-deity status it holds.
 
2013-02-14 01:50:13 PM

Uzzah: But if you've played Bioshock, you're really didn't miss out on most of what SS2 has to offer.


Not true.  The atomosphere in SS2 is way better then Bioshock, and the RPG elements are far superior and make a whole world of difference in how you play the game, where in Bioshock I felt like no matter what character build I had, It never felt any different.

I lvoe both games, but SS2 is worlds ahead of Bioshock.
 
2013-02-14 01:52:55 PM

Burr: Uzzah: But if you've played Bioshock, you're really didn't miss out on most of what SS2 has to offer.

Not true.  The atomosphere in SS2 is way better then Bioshock, and the RPG elements are far superior and make a whole world of difference in how you play the game, where in Bioshock I felt like no matter what character build I had, It never felt any different.

I lvoe both games, but SS2 is worlds ahead of Bioshock.


Woo, go spell check!
 
2013-02-14 01:53:20 PM
SS2 is still one of my favorite shooters, if you haven't played it you really should check it out.
 
2013-02-14 01:53:54 PM
You seek your associates...but you cannot find them.  You are so very alone.

How does it feel to be one...

...against...the infinite?
 
2013-02-14 02:01:17 PM
Silais: Short version: the entire action-based RPG genre owes its very existence to this title.

You mean first person action-based RPG.

Secret of Mana came out earlier :D
 
2013-02-14 02:02:27 PM

Silais: You seek your associates...but you cannot find them.  You are so very alone.

How does it feel to be one...

...against...the infinite?


"Babies must sleep. Babies must rest. Wise is the one who does not waken them. Leave this place now, or we will wound you... as you have us."
 
rpm
2013-02-14 02:03:46 PM

lordargent: Silais: Short version: the entire action-based RPG genre owes its very existence to this title.

You mean first person action-based RPG.

Secret of Mana came out earlier :D


And Ultima Underworld came out even earlier :-P
 
2013-02-14 02:04:27 PM

meanmutton: GoG.com is super, ridiculously awesome.  It's a ton of fun to go back and play some of these games from my youth... and I'm surprised at how games like MoO2 or Roller Coaster Tycoon or Neverwinter Nights are still awesome after all these years.


Grrrrr I still cannot get Interstate 76 working even with the patched GOG file.
 
2013-02-14 02:06:40 PM

Burr: Silais: You seek your associates...but you cannot find them.  You are so very alone.

How does it feel to be one...

...against...the infinite?

"Babies must sleep. Babies must rest. Wise is the one who does not waken them. Leave this place now, or we will wound you... as you have us."


Your time is running out.  This place is a womb...where we grow our future.  Your weapons fail.  Your ammunition runs low.  And you've yet to see our most beautiful creation.  All you have is your hatred...and your...individuality.  Now, don't you wish you joined us?  Would you then feel so alone?
 
2013-02-14 02:13:24 PM

rpm: lordargent: Silais: Short version: the entire action-based RPG genre owes its very existence to this title.

You mean first person action-based RPG.

Secret of Mana came out earlier :D

And Ultima Underworld came out even earlier :-P


The Bard's Tale and Wizardry came out before those, if you are looking for first person perspective RPG's. While they did not have run and gun capabilities they are the first games to give you that 1st person perspective and RPG. SS and SS2 were an evolution of that category of games, but not the first. This is just somebody who is probably younger then 35 writing a gushing article about a game he played in his youth.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:19 PM

Aquapope: Arrrghhh!  This thread made me want to play SS2 again.  I can't even get it to start the install on this Win7 machine.  I suppose I could install it in a virtual XP machine, but how much hassle do I want to go through?...


Save yourself the time and buy it from GOG.  The $10 is worth the saved headache.
 
2013-02-14 02:22:12 PM
Orgin made part 1? Damn, that's crazy. More crazier that Irrational did 2 and I kept hearing about how Bioshock is pretty much SS3. Even more surprising was that SS2 didn't do well in sales. And it's coming to Steam...YES!

lousyskater: Dead Space was great. Dead Space wasn't nearly as good, but still an acceptable game. Dead Space 3 is an abomination that resembles the first game in name only. Same thing RE5 did to Resident Evil.


Dead Space is good because it's story and atmosphere, the characters are eh. DS3 is good. Yes, the action turn was unneeded but I think the series mirrors that to the Aliens trilogy. It's a good trilogy with 2 good spinoffs with Extraction and the iOS game.

1 = Was Creepy
2 = Was Actioned Up
3 = Mixed
 
rpm
2013-02-14 02:23:19 PM

Slaves2Darkness: The Bard's Tale and Wizardry came out before those, if you are looking for first person perspective RPG's. While they did not have run and gun capabilities they are the first games to give you that 1st person perspective and RPG. SS and SS2 were an evolution of that category of games, but not the first. This is just somebody who is probably younger then 35 writing a gushing article about a game he played in his youth.


Bard's Tale was turn-based, as was Wizardry (dammit GoG, get Wizardry already). Ultima Underworld was not. Ultima had 3D about the same time Wizardry did.

Underworld was 3D world, not the 2.5 D that was Doom, *and* it came out before Doom. The series was also a precursor to System Shock, they wanted to work on something non-fantasy afterwards.

/old fart
//Not only older than 35, gaming about that long
 
2013-02-14 02:24:13 PM

meanmutton: Aquapope: Arrrghhh!  This thread made me want to play SS2 again.  I can't even get it to start the install on this Win7 machine.  I suppose I could install it in a virtual XP machine, but how much hassle do I want to go through?...

Save yourself the time and buy it from GOG.  The $10 is worth the saved headache.


Seriously, I just hit their site and was welcomed by SHODAN. Gave me chills.

/own and have played both SS titles, one of the best villains ever
 
2013-02-14 02:25:55 PM
www.visualwalkthroughs.com

I have great memories from playing it.
 
2013-02-14 02:27:26 PM

Slaves2Darkness: rpm: lordargent: Silais: Short version: the entire action-based RPG genre owes its very existence to this title.

You mean first person action-based RPG.

Secret of Mana came out earlier :D

And Ultima Underworld came out even earlier :-P

The Bard's Tale and Wizardry came out before those, if you are looking for first person perspective RPG's. While they did not have run and gun capabilities they are the first games to give you that 1st person perspective and RPG. SS and SS2 were an evolution of that category of games, but not the first. This is just somebody who is probably younger then 35 writing a gushing article about a game he played in his youth.


First person RPG? Wasn't Ultima earlier than the bards tale?

I wonder what zork would qualify as. Word-Pperson perspective?
 
2013-02-14 02:28:14 PM

Beerguy: I have great memories from playing it.


Its in my top 4, along with Tie Fighter, Fallout 2, and Mechwarrior 2
 
2013-02-14 02:33:09 PM

Rhypskallion: I loved the original System Shock.   The second got bad reviews from gamers I knew, so I stayed away.     Interesting that it's being praised so much now.


System Shock 2 is somewhat streamlined from System Shock's system, but not to the extent that Bioshock streamlined the System Shock 2 gameplay.

System Shock suffers today due to its awkward control scheme. It was released before control systems for first-person based games became standardized, which makes the game less intuitive than it could be. A relatively recently created fan mod enables "mouselook" for a more contemporary control scheme, but I have not yet tried playing the game with that mod.
 
2013-02-14 02:34:18 PM

DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.


I have mixed feelings about this.
 
2013-02-14 02:37:13 PM

Slam Dunkz: The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.


KOTOR would like a word with you...

/because it was awesome
//and introduced, arguably, the best character the SW universe has churned out
///I'll not make the arguments for Han or Fett.
 
2013-02-14 02:39:16 PM

myne: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

I have mixed feelings about this.


I, for one, am looking forward to discovering which ending colours the game will be railroaded into and I am awaiting revelation of what mindless multiplayer modes must be played to attain the best possible ending colour.
 
2013-02-14 02:43:21 PM

Dimensio: System Shock suffers today due to its awkward control scheme. It was released before control systems for first-person based games became standardized, which makes the game less intuitive than it could be. A relatively recently created fan mod enables "mouselook" for a more contemporary control scheme, but I have not yet tried playing the game with that mod.


I still remember the firs time I encountered mouselook. It was so alien to me that I sort of hated it at first. Then I encountered my first enemy and all was right with the world.
 
2013-02-14 02:46:41 PM
I am SHODAN!

/maybe a bit spoilerish...
 
2013-02-14 02:47:09 PM

Egoy3k: Dimensio: System Shock suffers today due to its awkward control scheme. It was released before control systems for first-person based games became standardized, which makes the game less intuitive than it could be. A relatively recently created fan mod enables "mouselook" for a more contemporary control scheme, but I have not yet tried playing the game with that mod.

I still remember the firs time I encountered mouselook. It was so alien to me that I sort of hated it at first. Then I encountered my first enemy and all was right with the world.


Quake popularized mouselook. I recall initially finding it awkward, alien and uncomfortable. Now, I am unable to play even Doom without it.
 
2013-02-14 02:50:41 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: I am SHODAN!

/maybe a bit spoilerish...


Nah.. It is heavily implied SHODAN is in the game.  You know, box art and all.
 
2013-02-14 02:51:25 PM

Trollin4Colon: Oh thank GOD. I actually have the original cd hard copy and case and be DAMNED if I have been able to get it working ONCE in the last decade.

//Yes i know there is a patch
///No I still wasn't able to get it working
////Hours and hours of tinkering to no avail


Don't you just hate that? After hours of toil, trial and error, finally giving up and stepping away thinking "I just wasted 3 hours FOR A CHEAP GAME THAT WON'T WORK".
 
2013-02-14 02:54:37 PM

Eshman: Trollin4Colon: Oh thank GOD. I actually have the original cd hard copy and case and be DAMNED if I have been able to get it working ONCE in the last decade.

//Yes i know there is a patch
///No I still wasn't able to get it working
////Hours and hours of tinkering to no avail

Don't you just hate that? After hours of toil, trial and error, finally giving up and stepping away thinking "I just wasted 3 hours FOR A CHEAP GAME THAT WON'T WORK".


I felt the same way trying to get my Dungeon Keeper 2 CD to work on XP...
 
2013-02-14 02:55:57 PM
I've got system shock (the original) sitting on my computer. Does anyone know of an engine update for it (similar to the ones for doom, IE mouselook and 3rd)? One website I see alludes to it, but they only allow 150 guests before you are blacklisted and cannot even register.
 
2013-02-14 02:59:11 PM

umad: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3
//or TORtanic


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2013-02-14 03:00:26 PM

Dimensio: myne: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

I have mixed feelings about this.

I, for one, am looking forward to discovering which ending colours the game will be railroaded into and I am awaiting revelation of what mindless multiplayer modes must be played to attain the best possible ending colour.


I had a lot of fun with DA:O. DA2 wasn't of the same caliber. I liked the combat style more, but it felt much smaller than the first game. You were confined to alleyways, they reused dungeon maps in such a way that it was extremely noticeable AND depressing. Like you said, mindless, for the developer as well as the player.


/I shanked Anders.
 
2013-02-14 03:01:29 PM

neuroflare: I've got system shock (the original) sitting on my computer. Does anyone know of an engine update for it (similar to the ones for doom, IE mouselook and 3rd)? One website I see alludes to it, but they only allow 150 guests before you are blacklisted and cannot even register.


I located a working download link here, but I am currently unable to verify whether it is the proper mouselook mod.
 
2013-02-14 03:04:32 PM

Dimensio: neuroflare: I've got system shock (the original) sitting on my computer. Does anyone know of an engine update for it (similar to the ones for doom, IE mouselook and 3rd)? One website I see alludes to it, but they only allow 150 guests before you are blacklisted and cannot even register.

I located a working download link here, but I am currently unable to verify whether it is the proper mouselook mod.


Ooohh.. much obliged, thank you. Testing here in a few moments
 
2013-02-14 03:06:01 PM

neuroflare: Dimensio: neuroflare: I've got system shock (the original) sitting on my computer. Does anyone know of an engine update for it (similar to the ones for doom, IE mouselook and 3rd)? One website I see alludes to it, but they only allow 150 guests before you are blacklisted and cannot even register.

I located a working download link here, but I am currently unable to verify whether it is the proper mouselook mod.

Ooohh.. much obliged, thank you. Testing here in a few moments


I am attempting to download System Shock now. I will be able to test it in Dosbox.
 
2013-02-14 03:08:48 PM

neuroflare: Dimensio: neuroflare: I've got system shock (the original) sitting on my computer. Does anyone know of an engine update for it (similar to the ones for doom, IE mouselook and 3rd)? One website I see alludes to it, but they only allow 150 guests before you are blacklisted and cannot even register.

I located a working download link here, but I am currently unable to verify whether it is the proper mouselook mod.

Ooohh.. much obliged, thank you. Testing here in a few moments


Success! I wonder if there's a full blown engine update, too.
 
2013-02-14 03:21:21 PM

DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.


What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.
 
2013-02-14 03:22:29 PM

TalenLee: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.


You are correct. Many colours remain unexplored.
 
2013-02-14 03:26:37 PM

Dimensio: TalenLee: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.

You are correct. Many colours remain unexplored.


Of course, that's not going to happen. The bigger and more successful a franchise gets, the tighter its focus and the narrower its band of options get, because of marketing.

Anyway, seriously, SS2 is amazing. I'm going to be downloading and reviewing it as soon as I have some extra cash kicking around. There's a reason 90s kids like me treat that game like it was the second coming of christ. We say the late 90s was the golden age of PC gaming? For consideration, in 1999 we had Alpha Centauri, Counterstrike, Homeworld, Age of Empires 2, Planescape Torment and this. In one year.
 
2013-02-14 03:33:06 PM

TalenLee: Anyway, seriously, SS2 is amazing. I'm going to be downloading and reviewing it as soon as I have some extra cash kicking around. There's a reason 90s kids like me treat that game like it was the second coming of christ. We say the late 90s was the golden age of PC gaming? For consideration, in 1999 we had Alpha Centauri, Counterstrike, Homeworld, Age of Empires 2, Planescape Torment and this. In one year.


Don't forget the arena-game battle started that year with both UT and Q3
 
2013-02-14 03:33:29 PM

neuroflare: Slam Dunkz: The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

KOTOR would like a word with you...

/because it was awesome
//and introduced, arguably, the best character the SW universe has churned out
///I'll not make the arguments for Han or Fett.


Yup I forgot about the original KOTOR.  I agree, THAT is the last good Bioware game!  That was well done.
 
2013-02-14 03:35:06 PM

moralpanic: umad: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3
//or TORtanic

[img43.imageshack.us image 800x533]


Enjoy your yearly copy-pasted EAified experience full of on-disk dlc and microtransactions. I'll keep giving my money to developers who don't suck.
 
2013-02-14 03:35:06 PM

myne: Dimensio: myne: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

I have mixed feelings about this.

I, for one, am looking forward to discovering which ending colours the game will be railroaded into and I am awaiting revelation of what mindless multiplayer modes must be played to attain the best possible ending colour.

I had a lot of fun with DA:O. DA2 wasn't of the same caliber. I liked the combat style more, but it felt much smaller than the first game. You were confined to alleyways, they reused dungeon maps in such a way that it was extremely noticeable AND depressing. Like you said, mindless, for the developer as well as the player.


/I shanked Anders.


I played DA2 and generally enjoyed it due to the excellent voice acting. But the same three dungeons repeated over and over, but maybe with a tunnel blocked off in one version and not another - was inexcusably lazy. They didn't even hide the doorways, just blocked them with a rock! That was just annoying. And the whole choice system boiled down to pretty much the exact same shiat happening at the end no matter what you chose.

And then Skyrim came out, with hundreds of different dungeons and caves and ALL of them unique. After the 40th different cave I was retroactively PISSED at DA2.

And yes, fark Anders.
 
2013-02-14 03:36:32 PM

Dimensio: TalenLee: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.

You are correct. Many colours remain unexplored.


The biggest issue the ME universe has now is what exactly could be as bad as a galaxy wide extinction event. Most games need to have conflict, and it's hard to say that BioWare didn't shoot their whole load with the Reapers. The Reapers exterminated countless species for millions of years, they were put up as the biggest bad you could possibly face in the galaxy. You're gonna be hard pressed to find another baddie that makes people care like they did in Shepard's story. I mean a bad guy taking over a planet or even solar system would still be peanuts compared to the ME trilogy.

Halo did alright when they moved from their original trilogy involving the Flood as they just found a bigger bad in an even more ancient civilization (the Prometheans). But with the ME universe, you're already dealing with a big bad that's exterminated the galaxy for millions of years.

Not saying it can't be done, but it's gonna be a very hard to come up with an antagonist that compares to the Reapers.
 
2013-02-14 03:37:55 PM

TalenLee: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.


I'd like to see something non-military.  Have the main character be a smuggler, bounty hunter, mercenary, etc. - with a diverse crew of eccentric aliens.
 
2013-02-14 03:39:37 PM

moralpanic: umad: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3
//or TORtanic

[img43.imageshack.us image 800x533]

25.media.tumblr.com
i.imgur.com

Your right, they will keep making sequels like a rabid momma rat making dead baby rabid zombie rats.  And sadly some people will still buy them no matter how much they get disappointed by them.
All the rest of us can do is shake our head, and choose to not give them our money.

/Aliens CM is not even worth torrenting, you have been warned.
 
2013-02-14 03:41:01 PM

Dimensio: TalenLee: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.

You are correct. Many colours remain unexplored.


Name: ME:Factions (Mass-Effect Factions)
Genre: Single Player / Co-Op RPG

Faction Based MMORPG allows unique story arc progressions and allows players to team up and join factions. Each faction has unique bonuses available to them. Players will climb through the ranks and try to expand territory control for their faction as they fight over military installations, resources, supply lines, civilizations etc. In addition to these factions, you will be faced with numerous other challenges and enemy invasions. The tactical map will allow you to dedicate forces to defend points or explore and acquire resources. Factions allows the player complete control over character appearance and banner creation. This game basically does not end as you can just expand the territory in the universe with sub-sequent updates. Progression in the game will be offered through various avenues:

1.) Faction Rank
2.) Player Level
3.) Equipment
4.) Vehicle Upgrades (Ground and Air Vehicles)

This basically combines ME, Age of Empires, and City of Heroes into one game. You get the strategy component from Age of Empires, customization from City of Heroes, and world/combat system of ME. This could quite easily be adapted to have an online PvP component as well.
 
2013-02-14 03:41:58 PM

scottydoesntknow: Dimensio: TalenLee: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

What I'd like to see done with the ME license is a plotline that has nothing direct to do with the Shepherd story arc. You have a whole universe. Do something different in it. Go exploring. Don't keep persisting Shepherd's story.

You are correct. Many colours remain unexplored.

The biggest issue the ME universe has now is what exactly could be as bad as a galaxy wide extinction event. Most games need to have conflict, and it's hard to say that BioWare didn't shoot their whole load with the Reapers. The Reapers exterminated countless species for millions of years, they were put up as the biggest bad you could possibly face in the galaxy. You're gonna be hard pressed to find another baddie that makes people care like they did in Shepard's story. I mean a bad guy taking over a planet or even solar system would still be peanuts compared to the ME trilogy.


It's easy. They could go the DA2 route and just change the color of the Reapers and name them something else, like "Peapers". Everything else about them could stay the same. That way they can use all of their old assets and save EA a bunch of money.
 
2013-02-14 03:43:42 PM

umad: It's easy. They could go the DA2 route and just change the color of the Reapers and name them something else, like "Peapers". Everything else about them could stay the same. That way they can use all of their old assets and save EA a bunch of money.


DragonAge:2013!
MassEffect:2014!

Let the yearly passing of feces begin!
 
2013-02-14 03:44:05 PM
I say just let the ME series die. It barely limped over the finish line to begin with.
 
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