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(Time)   Mass Effect, Dead Space, Bioshock, Borderlands, Fallout 3 - if you've played any of these modern shooters, you've felt the influence of System Shock 2, which after legal hassles and technical issues were settled, is available again for today's gamers   (techland.time.com) divider line 236
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2013-02-14 09:13:51 AM
Damn, big enough to get on Time?  This is one of the only PC games I still have the original disc for.  If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend picking this one up on GoG.
 
2013-02-14 10:35:36 AM
I don't care - I just want ME4.
 
2013-02-14 10:38:18 AM

DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.


Yep, EA isn't done farking that chicken just yet.
 
2013-02-14 10:40:15 AM
Swap out Borderlands for Deus Ex and the headline would have been better.
 
2013-02-14 10:43:50 AM

Glitchwerks: Swap out Borderlands for Deus Ex and the headline would have been better.


Awesome game. Disappointed by the sequels.
 
2013-02-14 10:47:30 AM

Meethos: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

Yep, EA isn't done farking that chicken just yet.


There are official details on the new DLC coming next week. Yeah, they'll be raking it in for years to come off that IP
 
2013-02-14 10:48:12 AM
GoG.com is super, ridiculously awesome.  It's a ton of fun to go back and play some of these games from my youth... and I'm surprised at how games like MoO2 or Roller Coaster Tycoon or Neverwinter Nights are still awesome after all these years.
 
2013-02-14 10:49:16 AM
Oh thank GOD. I actually have the original cd hard copy and case and be DAMNED if I have been able to get it working ONCE in the last decade.

//Yes i know there is a patch
///No I still wasn't able to get it working
////Hours and hours of tinkering to no avail
 
2013-02-14 10:53:14 AM
will Fallout still add their own glitches? cause thats what makes it so endearing.
 
2013-02-14 10:53:42 AM

DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.


BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.
 
2013-02-14 10:56:49 AM

umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.


As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.
 
2013-02-14 10:57:43 AM

DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.


As much as I love the ME universe, anything after the resolution of the Reaver plotline would be anticlimatic.

I would rather see Bioware do something. Hopefully EA lets Bioware be Bioware instead of making them conform to the EA march to mediocrity.
 
2013-02-14 10:59:15 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

As much as I love the ME universe, anything after the resolution of the Reaver plotline would be anticlimatic.

I would rather see Bioware do something. Hopefully EA lets Bioware be Bioware instead of making them conform to the EA march to mediocrity.


Sorry

Bioware do something new.
 
2013-02-14 10:59:48 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: As much as I love the ME universe, anything after the resolution of the Reaver plotline would be anticlimatic.


1) Reaper, not Reaver (as much a Firefly/ME crossover would be awesome).

2) The actual resolution was so anticlimactic, I need something to cleanse my palate.
 
2013-02-14 11:00:13 AM
All of my favorite worlds in one headline. Damn.
 
2013-02-14 11:01:39 AM

DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.


You say that like it's a good thing. The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

System shock was awesome!  Glad to see folks appreciate it.
 
2013-02-14 11:03:43 AM

Slam Dunkz: The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.


Uh huh.
 
2013-02-14 11:03:57 AM

DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.


You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3
//or TORtanic
 
2013-02-14 11:04:56 AM

umad: You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3


Loved DA2, though it wasn't as good as the first.

ME3 was brilliant until the end.
 
2013-02-14 11:06:05 AM
System Shock 2, yeah yeah yeah...

Now how about someone gets TIE Fighter working on a modern system?
 
2013-02-14 11:07:26 AM
CSB: I actually managed to break SS2. I got killed at one point, and respawned. But after that nothing in the game would react to me, and when I went to the place I died there was a large red box sitting there. I contacted the developers, and they said that somehow I had managed to decouple the character data from the character model. Unfortunately I had saved the game in this condition, and didn't have a backup save, so I had to restart the entire game.
 
2013-02-14 11:10:06 AM
Best part about it coming out on GoG - they'll do all the heavy lifting for making it work on Windows 7/8.

Now, they just need to send someone over to Skywalker Ranch and put a horse heads in Lucas's bed until he lets them sell the X-Wing / TIE Fighter series.
 
2013-02-14 11:11:51 AM
All I remember is getting stuck somewhere and not being able to figure out where to go.
 
2013-02-14 11:12:20 AM

JudgeItoBox: System Shock 2, yeah yeah yeah...

Now how about someone gets TIE Fighter working on a modern system?


I've got the collector's edition CD and got it to work on Windows 7, using a Logitech ps2-style gamepad as a control.  It's wasn't as good a system as the joystick I used to have, but they don't even sell anything that has that port on it anymore.

I might have used DosBOX, but I don't think so; I never quite figured out how to get it to use CD's.
 
2013-02-14 11:16:22 AM

Trollin4Colon: Oh thank GOD. I actually have the original cd hard copy and case and be DAMNED if I have been able to get it working ONCE in the last decade.

//Yes i know there is a patch
///No I still wasn't able to get it working
////Hours and hours of tinkering to no avail


I got Windows 8 Pro, used Hyper-V to build a Windows 98 VM, and I play it through RDP because Microsoft won't supply an audio driver for their VMs.

It's a little choppy, but it plays.
 
2013-02-14 11:16:51 AM

Karac: I've got the collector's edition CD and got it to work on Windows 7, using a Logitech ps2-style gamepad as a control.  It's wasn't as good a system as the joystick I used to have, but they don't even sell anything that has that port on it anymore.

I might have used DosBOX, but I don't think so; I never quite figured out how to get it to use CD's.


Oh, I know it's possible with a specific version of the game, a lot of fiddling, some exe injection and a few repeated voodoo dances. I just want a nice $10 no-thought-required package from the GoG guys.
 
2013-02-14 11:17:05 AM
As a big Bioshock fan, I'd really like to play this after hearing about it for so long (especially on Fark) but, alas, my laptop is all I have and it can't play shiat.

I'll just have to wait for Bioshock Infinite for the XBox.  Poor me.
 
2013-02-14 11:17:23 AM

Karac: Best part about it coming out on GoG - they'll do all the heavy lifting for making it work on Windows 7/8.

Now, they just need to send someone over to Skywalker Ranch and put a horse heads in Lucas's bed until he lets them sell the X-Wing / TIE Fighter series.


He doesn't own them anymore anyway.
 
2013-02-14 11:19:23 AM

DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.


Are you a masochist or something?

Also: Why isnt this abandonware? It's not like any of the original people are getting cash from this.
 
2013-02-14 11:21:18 AM

mcgreggers99: Meethos: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

Yep, EA isn't done farking that chicken just yet.

There are official details on the new DLC coming next week. Yeah, they'll be raking it in for years to come off that IP


I'm ok with this, as long as they avoid contradicting their own lore. I was a little miffed at the baddies in ME3:Omega. The writers have always tried to adhere to as much realism and self-consistency as possible, but the mutant monsters in ME3:Omega seemed lazy by comparison. The whole generic "every race mutates into the same thing", instead of the individual types of "assimilated" enemies you encounter in the other game (as an example) is poor quality writing, especially from the guys who managed to weave one great backstory for the game with its unique physics, history, etc laid out in a logical fashion.

tl;dr: Fine by me, just don't pull a Star Trek Voyager/Star Wars Prequel/ Season 8+ Stargate when you expand the lore. Or a Halo. But that's a different conversation.

/hasn't read the ME books
//refuses to, the Halo ones farked up the universe something fierce
 
2013-02-14 11:23:01 AM
If you purchase System Shock 2, I recommend also obtaining Rebirth (the project ended after the first beta, but the content that does exist is worthwhile) and SHTUP.

I also recommend the resolution mod, which allows playing the game at previously unsupported video resolutions (including widescreen resolutions).
 
2013-02-14 11:23:48 AM

Slam Dunkz: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.

You say that like it's a good thing. The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

System shock was awesome!  Glad to see folks appreciate it.


You mean the online gold box style game?
 
2013-02-14 11:24:23 AM

JudgeItoBox: Karac: I've got the collector's edition CD and got it to work on Windows 7, using a Logitech ps2-style gamepad as a control.  It's wasn't as good a system as the joystick I used to have, but they don't even sell anything that has that port on it anymore.

I might have used DosBOX, but I don't think so; I never quite figured out how to get it to use CD's.

Oh, I know it's possible with a specific version of the game, a lot of fiddling, some exe injection and a few repeated voodoo dances. I just want a nice $10 no-thought-required package from the GoG guys.


Actually, LSherm just reminded me how I got it to run.
I had some piece of fossilware I needed to run to talk to some factory computer for work, so I had to dig up an old Windows 98 CD and make a virtual machine that would run it.   At some point I tried old games on it, and TIE Fighter worked fine.
 
2013-02-14 11:25:03 AM

ThreadSinger: refuses to, the Halo ones farked up the universe something fierce


Fall of Reach = Awesome, everything else = kindling
 
2013-02-14 11:25:04 AM

RoxtarRyan: Glitchwerks: Swap out Borderlands for Deus Ex and the headline would have been better.

Awesome game. Disappointed by the sequels.


Deus Ex has no sequels. A prequel was released recently which, while not as good as the original game, was still a worthwhile title.
 
2013-02-14 11:26:09 AM

Dimensio: Deus Ex has no sequels. A prequel was released recently which, while not as good as the original game, was still a worthwhile title


Invisible war was not a bad game.  Film Noire fans liked the prequel, I didn't particularly enjoy it.
 
2013-02-14 11:27:37 AM

Karac: Best part about it coming out on GoG - they'll do all the heavy lifting for making it work on Windows 7/8.


I experienced less difficulty making System Shock 2 run -- with 3D sound -- with Windows 7 than I did in making it run under Windows XP; I could never make the game produce proper surround sound in the latter operating system.
 
2013-02-14 11:29:27 AM

DamnYankees: umad: You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3

Loved DA2, though it wasn't as good as the first.

ME3 was brilliant until the end.


DA2 would've been a great game, had it not been named DA2. This is the best article I can find that describes my feelings toward DA2: Rock, Paper, Shotgun (found it when I was reading the minute-by-minute play of Aliens, hilarious). It's not a bad game by any means, but it played more like an expansion (DA:O's expansion "Awakenings" was only about 5 hours shorter).

I'm currently on my 3rd playthrough of ME3, to get the Insanity achievements. I've gotten over the ending (and I was one of the most vocal opponents of the original), and love all of the quests. The expanded ending is somewhat better. I can see where they went wrong, and in all honesty if they had just changed the starchild to a hologram of Harbinger, I would've been much happier. The starchild is what really took me out of it. You can tell they were building the crucible up to be the end-all weapon throughout the game, but that damn kid just yanked me out. HOW DID YOU KNOW WHAT THAT KID LOOKED LIKE CATALYST?! YOU VAPORIZED HIM IN A SHIP IN THE FIRST 5 MINUTES OF THE GAME!

/Getting SS2 tonight, haven't played it in years
 
2013-02-14 11:33:30 AM

scottydoesntknow: HOW DID YOU KNOW WHAT THAT KID LOOKED LIKE CATALYST?! YOU VAPORIZED HIM IN A SHIP IN THE FIRST 5 MINUTES OF THE GAME!


I thought that had to do more with who saw the holograph, as in it fed off the user's memories.  Or it feeds into the indoctrination theory by comforting Shepard.
 
2013-02-14 11:33:58 AM

DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

BioWare is dead. You just need to accept it and move on.

As far as I'm aware DA3 is still happening.


Tortanic was a huge setback for biodead. They are about to be dragged out into the same cornfield that EA kills all of its developer companies at. R.I.P westwood studios.
 
2013-02-14 11:34:50 AM

thecpt: scottydoesntknow: HOW DID YOU KNOW WHAT THAT KID LOOKED LIKE CATALYST?! YOU VAPORIZED HIM IN A SHIP IN THE FIRST 5 MINUTES OF THE GAME!

I thought that had to do more with who saw the holograph, as in it fed off the user's memories.  Or it feeds into the indoctrination theory by comforting Shepard.


This is what I assumed as well. Didn't bother me.
 
2013-02-14 11:36:09 AM

thecpt: scottydoesntknow: HOW DID YOU KNOW WHAT THAT KID LOOKED LIKE CATALYST?! YOU VAPORIZED HIM IN A SHIP IN THE FIRST 5 MINUTES OF THE GAME!

I thought that had to do more with who saw the holograph, as in it fed off the user's memories.  Or it feeds into the indoctrination theory by comforting Shepard.


Anything is possible with Space Magic™.
 
2013-02-14 11:36:22 AM

DamnYankees: Slam Dunkz: The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

Uh huh.


DamnYankees: umad: You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3

Loved DA2, though it wasn't as good as the first.

ME3 was brilliant until the end.


LOL You loved DA2?  DA was barely passable as an RPG.  It was a severely watered down RPG game.  DA2 went further in that direction.  You are either new to gaming or haven't played any of the great RPGs from the past because your litmus test is the gaming equivalent of calling Olive Garden good italian food.

Fano: Slam Dunkz: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

You say that like it's a good thing. The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

System shock was awesome!  Glad to see folks appreciate it.

You mean the online gold box style game?


Yup!
Neverwinter Nights
 
2013-02-14 11:37:23 AM

Slam Dunkz: DamnYankees: Slam Dunkz: The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

Uh huh.

DamnYankees: umad: You must not have played DA2.

/or ME3

Loved DA2, though it wasn't as good as the first.

ME3 was brilliant until the end.

LOL You loved DA2?  DA was barely passable as an RPG.  It was a severely watered down RPG game.  DA2 went further in that direction.  You are either new to gaming or haven't played any of the great RPGs from the past because your litmus test is the gaming equivalent of calling Olive Garden good italian food.

Fano: Slam Dunkz: DamnYankees: umad: DamnYankees: I don't care - I just want ME4.

You say that like it's a good thing. The original Neverwinter Nights was the last good thing Bioware did.

System shock was awesome!  Glad to see folks appreciate it.

You mean the online gold box style game?

Yup!
Neverwinter Nights


Your link is to the second Neverwinter Nights game. Bioware did not create the original Neverwinter Nights game.
 
2013-02-14 11:38:39 AM
That is on the list once I beat
Aliens: Colonial Marines
DOOM 3 BFG (DOOM 1 to DOOM 2 to DOOM 3)
Halo 4
Minecraft (Finish one of my largest builds in that game)

Then Ill go get System Shock 2. Been wanting to play that for a while but could never find it.
 
2013-02-14 11:39:53 AM
Back when I played BioShock I heard a lot of blah-blah about the game saying it ripped off most of the important elements of System Shock 2. So is System Shock 2 worth playing if I've already played BioShock? I didn't bother with BioShock 2 since it just seemed like more of the same.
 
2013-02-14 11:42:23 AM

forteblast: Back when I played BioShock I heard a lot of blah-blah about the game saying it ripped off most of the important elements of System Shock 2. So is System Shock 2 worth playing if I've already played BioShock? I didn't bother with BioShock 2 since it just seemed like more of the same.


BioShock was made as a spiritual successor to System Shock. They even said it was based on that IP. And I would say, go play BioShock 2 as well. It was a really fun game. And yes, play System Shock 2. I hear its a great game in its own rights.
 
2013-02-14 11:45:14 AM

RoxtarRyan: Glitchwerks: Swap out Borderlands for Deus Ex and the headline would have been better.

Awesome game. Disappointed by the sequels.


Human revolution was fun, outside the tacked on boss fights.  The rest of the game was pretty much what I wanted out of a DE game.
 
2013-02-14 11:46:52 AM

forteblast: Back when I played BioShock I heard a lot of blah-blah about the game saying it ripped off most of the important elements of System Shock 2. So is System Shock 2 worth playing if I've already played BioShock? I didn't bother with BioShock 2 since it just seemed like more of the same.


Bioshock borrowed elements of System Shock 2, but streamlined them substantially to create a game more easily implemented on consoles. System Shock 2

I recommend viewing Yahtzee's review of Bioshock, as his comparison of it to System Shock 2 largely matches my own impression of the game.
 
2013-02-14 11:48:23 AM

Antimatter: RoxtarRyan: Glitchwerks: Swap out Borderlands for Deus Ex and the headline would have been better.

Awesome game. Disappointed by the sequels.

Human revolution was fun, outside the tacked on boss fights.  The rest of the game was pretty much what I wanted out of a DE game.


Neocron (German MMO title) had the potential of being everything Deus Ex could ever be, but sadly lacked severely in development. Had the devs know how to tweak that game and expand it, it would have been the best game ever created.
 
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