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(Guardian)   So turns out the Mona Lisa at the Louvre may not actually be the real one. Don't look so smug   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 70
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2013-02-14 10:43:16 AM
This should not be news for anyone. And the Mona Lisa isn't even one of the 100 best things at the Louvre.
 
2013-02-14 10:50:35 AM
Is this the Louvre in Paris or the Louvre in Wisconsin?
 
2013-02-14 11:28:42 AM
The X-Ray
doctorwhotoys.net
 
2013-02-14 11:59:25 AM
that would be interesting if it is what the article actually said.
 
2013-02-14 12:22:59 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-14 12:28:25 PM

badscooter: i.imgur.com


CFT, LS.
 
2013-02-14 12:31:20 PM

cretinbob: The X-Ray
[doctorwhotoys.net image 571x700]


I didn't expect an old school Doctor Who reference this early in a thread. Well done!
 
2013-02-14 12:33:14 PM

DamnYankees: This should not be news for anyone. And the Mona Lisa isn't even one of the 100 best things at the Louvre.


Yes, it is.

Because once you've seen it, you can rest assured that virtually every moron with a flash camera will be crowded and jostling in front of it, trying to get a shot, while you casually peruse every other wing of the museum idiot-free.
 
2013-02-14 12:35:56 PM
Maybe it was a water colour forgery? I don't know. Don't look at me.

www.apollinas.com
 
2013-02-14 12:36:59 PM
tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-14 12:50:03 PM
iaith.tapetrade.net

Agrees.
 
2013-02-14 12:51:21 PM
The tests on his 15th century portrait were carried out by a specialist in "sacred geometry" and by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in the wake of the Geneva unveiling of the painting, the Isleworth Mona Lisa, last September.

WTF is "Sacred Geometry" and how does an expertise in it apply to this situation?
 
2013-02-14 12:56:34 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: The tests on his 15th century portrait were carried out by a specialist in "sacred geometry" and by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in the wake of the Geneva unveiling of the painting, the Isleworth Mona Lisa, last September.

WTF is "Sacred Geometry" and how does an expertise in it apply to this situation?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_geometry for the first question. I have no idea as to the second.
 
2013-02-14 01:01:29 PM

Mega Steve: cretinbob: The X-Ray
[doctorwhotoys.net image 571x700]

I didn't expect an old school Doctor Who reference this early in a thread. Well done!


Seconded.

/all hail the mighty scarf!
 
2013-02-14 01:09:15 PM

jaharley: [iaith.tapetrade.net image 429x483]

Agrees.


Came here to make that reference.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-02-14 01:09:48 PM
Why is a self-portrait of da Vinci in drag so popular anyway?
 
2013-02-14 01:11:02 PM
Also if they only carbon dated the canvas to the early 1400s, that just means that's when the fabric was made. It doesn't provide any information about when the paint was applied to it.
 
2013-02-14 01:14:31 PM
Project managers ignoring or understating time estimates to complete a task or project

Don't farking pad everything and I won't.  When you blindly estimate every change order as "2 weeks" you lose credibility.
 
2013-02-14 01:15:06 PM

tricycleracer: Project managers ignoring or understating time estimates to complete a task or project

Don't farking pad everything and I won't.  When you blindly estimate every change order as "2 weeks" you lose credibility.


Oops, wrong thread.
 
2013-02-14 01:31:07 PM
The article states that the Mona Lisa in the Louvre isn't a fake, just not Davici's original attempt.
 
2013-02-14 01:33:20 PM
That painting is the Kardashian of the art world. I will never understand why it is so famous.
 
2013-02-14 01:33:56 PM
That chick wasn't even all that hot.

Did she at least ever pose nude?
 
2013-02-14 01:39:33 PM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-14 01:48:04 PM

Copperbelly watersnake: That painting is the Kardashian of the art world. I will never understand why it is so famous.


I've always been more appreciative of the Flemish Renaissance painters, but the Mona Lisa was pretty emblematic of the advances in technique made in the period. Sure, it's not as extravagant as what Michelangelo put on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel or intricate as Raphael's School of Athens, but the Mona Lisa is an easily recognizable painting by one of the master painters of the era. It's not so much a Kardashian, as it's not devoid of value, but more of a Stairway to Heaven.
 
2013-02-14 01:53:04 PM
Oh man I bet working at the 'Mona Lisa Foundation' is a grueling 100 hour a week job. Just like most work in academia and non-profit is.
 
2013-02-14 01:54:39 PM

Copperbelly watersnake: That painting is the Kardashian of the art world. I will never understand why it is so famous.


I couldn't explain to you why it gets more prominence than many other works from that era that I personally prefer, but if you come from the mentality of "oh hey it's a painting" compared to the subsequent 600 years of painting, art evolution, digitalization, etc. that we have access to then it probably won't seem that notable. But da Vinci was certainly a master painter and I think it can be appreciated especially compared to a lot of the contemporary art of his time.

But I dunno, think about it. Lots of portraits back then. Lots of landscapes. What painting from that era would you look at and immediately say "well DUH, THAT'S why its famous"? If it wasn't Mona Lisa it would be another painting that isn't that exceptional out of context in modern times.

/GF studied art history and worked at art institute in chicago for a while (saw some pretty cool "storage room" stuff!) so I'll have to ask her about this later
 
2013-02-14 02:04:34 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-14 02:09:20 PM
I see the picture in the article, but I can't find the Mona Lisa in it.  Could someone point it out to me?

static.guim.co.uk

Oh, ok, I see it now.  Thanks.
 
2013-02-14 02:10:26 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: The tests on his 15th century portrait were carried out by a specialist in "sacred geometry" and by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in the wake of the Geneva unveiling of the painting, the Isleworth Mona Lisa, last September.

WTF is "Sacred Geometry" and how does an expertise in it apply to this situation?


It's how the Stonecutters keep the real Mona Lisa out of the Louve
It's how we keep the metric system down
It's why we keep getting Steve Guttenburg on the silver screen
 
2013-02-14 02:11:50 PM
images.smh.com.au
 
2013-02-14 02:11:52 PM

doczoidberg: That chick wasn't even all that hot.

Did she at least ever pose nude?


Just privately, for Leo. But after they broke up he uploaded the paintings to one of those revenge porn sites.
 
2013-02-14 02:14:48 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: The tests on his 15th century portrait were carried out by a specialist in "sacred geometry" and by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in the wake of the Geneva unveiling of the painting, the Isleworth Mona Lisa, last September.

WTF is "Sacred Geometry" and how does an expertise in it apply to this situation?


It's the study of how mathematics is used in the construction of places of worship, and is directly relatable to this study because The Mona Lisa is painted using those principles.  They start with the subject being seated in a triangle shape, and continue through to geometric representations of other points of interest in the painting.  Exactly what da Vinci did in each of those relationships would be a key to discovering whether it's a forgery, a copy, or genuine.

Regarding why it's so famous (aside from being famous for being so famous), the Mona Lisa brought three items to the artist's palette that had never been seen before:  First, it introduced the sfomato technique of not showing specific outlines, as though the subject is being seen through smoke.  Second, portraits up until this one were done in empty rooms, or at least with very uninteresting backgrounds, making this the first outdoor formal portrait, not afraid to have detail other than the subject.  And finally, da Vinci used perspective to draw focus to the subject eyes and take the background into the distance as an optical illusion, a technique not used prior.  For additional perspective, he combined two of these techniques; the borders of the mouth, eyebrows (there are none), and the rest of the face are blurred or removed so as to draw attention to the eyes alone.
 
2013-02-14 02:16:49 PM

DamnYankees: This should not be news for anyone. And the Mona Lisa isn't even one of the 100 best things at the Louvre.


And you have to deal with all the Japanese tourists taking flash photography of the BEHIND GLASS picture.  And different strokes for different folks when it comes to art, but I like the d'Orsay better than the Louvre.
 
2013-02-14 02:23:41 PM
Came for the Doctor Who reference -- leaving happy.
 
2013-02-14 02:24:07 PM
The tests on his 15th century portrait were carried out by a specialist in "sacred geometry"

25.media.tumblr.com

You have a degree in baloney!
 
2013-02-14 02:24:29 PM

Summoner101: Copperbelly watersnake: That painting is the Kardashian of the art world. I will never understand why it is so famous.

I've always been more appreciative of the Flemish Renaissance painters, but the Mona Lisa was pretty emblematic of the advances in technique made in the period. Sure, it's not as extravagant as what Michelangelo put on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel or intricate as Raphael's School of Athens, but the Mona Lisa is an easily recognizable painting by one of the master painters of the era. It's not so much a Kardashian, as it's not devoid of value, but more of a Stairway to Heaven.


Brunelleschi used perspective drawings.
 
2013-02-14 02:39:26 PM
One has to wonder why Leonardo, who could barely bring himself to finish anything, would create a duplicate painting, right down to the pose and the outfit, ten or twenty years after doing the "original" Mona Lisa. And then carry it with him everywhere he went for the rest of his life. The "young" Mona Lisa looks amateurish to me, conventionalized and idealized, as though painted from the imagination rather than life, and the palette seems overly bright and inauthentic. The familiar Mona Lisa is a much deeper psychological portrait. Why would someone do a copy of the Mona Lisa as a young woman? Well, why would someone draw a moustache on her and add "L.H.O.O.Q."? Making a comment, making a joke, trying to cause trouble and stir up a controversy, maybe making a little money on the side. The Louvre version is a better painting.

Have to agree with everyone who commented on the huge crowds in front of the Mona Lisa in the Louvre. I recall going there as a teenager and being astounded that people would prefer to peer at the Mona Lisa from a distance of twenty feet when "The Madonna of the Rocks" and similar masterpieces went ignored in the same gallery just a few feet away.
 
2013-02-14 02:46:41 PM
 
2013-02-14 02:46:52 PM

CygnusDarius: Summoner101: Copperbelly watersnake: That painting is the Kardashian of the art world. I will never understand why it is so famous.

I've always been more appreciative of the Flemish Renaissance painters, but the Mona Lisa was pretty emblematic of the advances in technique made in the period. Sure, it's not as extravagant as what Michelangelo put on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel or intricate as Raphael's School of Athens, but the Mona Lisa is an easily recognizable painting by one of the master painters of the era. It's not so much a Kardashian, as it's not devoid of value, but more of a Stairway to Heaven.

Brunelleschi used perspective drawings.


The use of perspective during the Renaissance was fairly prolific and one of the defining departures from earlier medieval art.  If I remember correctly, it started earlier than Brunelleschi with Giotto.
 
2013-02-14 02:49:00 PM

ChrisDe: doczoidberg: That chick wasn't even all that hot.

Did she at least ever pose nude?

Just privately, for Leo. But after they broke up he uploaded the paintings to one of those revenge porn sites.


I read a short story where the Mona Lisa was discovered to have been one in a series for a Renaissance peep show. They were mounted an a round frame that rotated around the viewer to create flip book like effect where she flashed her boobs.
 
2013-02-14 02:55:59 PM

midigod: For additional perspective, he combined two of these techniques; the borders of the mouth, eyebrows (there are none), and the rest of the face are blurred or removed so as to draw attention to the eyes alone.


About the eyebrows being removed:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/3668700/Solved-Why-Mona-Lisa-d o esnt-have-eyebrows.html
 
2013-02-14 02:56:46 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-14 03:05:46 PM
Sounds like it's time for a Fark photoshop contest.
 
2013-02-14 03:20:04 PM

12349876: And different strokes for different folks when it comes to art, but I like the d'Orsay better than the Louvre.


When I lived in Paris, the d'Orsay was free on Sundays. I used to go there every weekend and get my Monet for nothing.
 
2013-02-14 03:22:51 PM
Though CITY OF DEATH has been well referenced here, I'll still post my bit:

upload.wikimedia.org

"Wait, weren't there only 6 copies?"
 
2013-02-14 03:24:13 PM

CatfoodSpork: Also if they only carbon dated the canvas to the early 1400s, that just means that's when the fabric was made. It doesn't provide any information about when the paint was applied to it.


This. If somebody were to fake a Mona Lisa, the first thing they would do is start with a lesser work of roughly the right age and clean the canvas. That's Forgery 101

/See also the Vinland Map
 
2013-02-14 03:30:16 PM

amindtat: midigod: For additional perspective, he combined two of these techniques; the borders of the mouth, eyebrows (there are none), and the rest of the face are blurred or removed so as to draw attention to the eyes alone.

About the eyebrows being removed:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/3668700/Solved-Why-Mona-Lisa-d o esnt-have-eyebrows.html


"Pascal Cotte says that ultra detailed digital scans of the 16th-century picture allow him to look into the past and see how the Florentine merchant's wife looked before years of restoration work.

Using the 240-megapixel scans, "

I am laughing OL.
 
2013-02-14 03:34:31 PM
I'll be honest, the smile trick going on in the one in the article is way more distinct and subversive than the one in the louvre. I'll go as far to say I would like to look at that one more than the one in the Louvre.
 
2013-02-14 03:36:23 PM

czetie: CatfoodSpork: Also if they only carbon dated the canvas to the early 1400s, that just means that's when the fabric was made. It doesn't provide any information about when the paint was applied to it.

This. If somebody were to fake a Mona Lisa, the first thing they would do is start with a lesser work of roughly the right age and clean the canvas. That's Forgery 101

/See also the Vinland Map


The Mona Lisa is not painted on canvas.
 
2013-02-14 03:41:45 PM

mcreadyblue: czetie: CatfoodSpork: Also if they only carbon dated the canvas to the early 1400s, that just means that's when the fabric was made. It doesn't provide any information about when the paint was applied to it.

This. If somebody were to fake a Mona Lisa, the first thing they would do is start with a lesser work of roughly the right age and clean the canvas. That's Forgery 101

/See also the Vinland Map

The Mona Lisa is not painted on canvas.


See? That proves it's a fake.

Seriously: The one in the Louvre is painted on wood (specifically, poplar). The one discussed in this article is painted on canvas. TMYK.
 
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