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(Sports Illustrated)   IOC president to meet with the head of wrestling's governing body to discuss how big of a bribe is needed to save its Olympic status   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 45
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2013-02-13 08:33:12 PM
How about 'mug modern pentathlon and steal its clothes'?

And aside from wrestling needing to be reinstated, why are baseball/softball, karate, squash, roller sports, sport climbing, wakeboarding and wushu on the list while MMA isn't? What is MMA but warmed-over pankration?
 
2013-02-13 08:39:30 PM

Gosling: How about 'mug modern pentathlon and steal its clothes'?

And aside from wrestling needing to be reinstated, why are baseball/softball, karate, squash, roller sports, sport climbing, wakeboarding and wushu on the list while MMA isn't? What is MMA but warmed-over pankration?


Olympic MMA would be so nerfed up it would be unwatchable even if the pros were allowed to compete. Full headgear and chest protectors like TKD. Then there is the matter of scheduling so many matches in such a short span of time.

Personally I'd love to see submission grappling like the ADCC be an Olympic event but even the combat type events they have now (like judo) get no mention on US networks.
 
2013-02-13 08:46:17 PM
The Iron Sheik needs to be in on these discussions.

As he needs to be in on all major negotiations.
 
2013-02-13 08:52:01 PM
I might be uninformed, but as I recall the original sports in the Olympics were basically track, field, and wrestling.  If you nix wrestling I'll no longer recognize it as something that's legitimately the "Olympics."

Sorry, but the original intent was for city states in Greece to lay down their arms and compete in games that resembled combat.  Running was important, throwing was important, and wrestling was important.  That is the nature of the games.  To lay down our arms and to compete without death on the line.

But, alas, it seems to be all about TV ratings now.  Pity.
 
2013-02-13 10:47:27 PM

jbuist: I might be uninformed, but as I recall the original sports in the Olympics were basically track, field, and wrestling.  If you nix wrestling I'll no longer recognize it as something that's legitimately the "Olympics."

Sorry, but the original intent was for city states in Greece to lay down their arms and compete in games that resembled combat.  Running was important, throwing was important, and wrestling was important.  That is the nature of the games.  To lay down our arms and to compete without death on the line.

But, alas, it seems to be all about TV ratings now.  Pity.


Define 'Original'.
 
2013-02-13 11:01:27 PM
Let's hope the meeting with Mr. McMahon goes well then
 
2013-02-13 11:02:36 PM

One Bad Apple: Gosling: How about 'mug modern pentathlon and steal its clothes'?

And aside from wrestling needing to be reinstated, why are baseball/softball, karate, squash, roller sports, sport climbing, wakeboarding and wushu on the list while MMA isn't? What is MMA but warmed-over pankration?

Olympic MMA would be so nerfed up it would be unwatchable even if the pros were allowed to compete. Full headgear and chest protectors like TKD. Then there is the matter of scheduling so many matches in such a short span of time.

Personally I'd love to see submission grappling like the ADCC be an Olympic event but even the combat type events they have now (like judo) get no mention on US networks.


sub graps would be cool because judo, under the current olympic rules, allows almost no groundwork anymore
 
2013-02-13 11:05:38 PM
fark wrestling. Being back jousting!
 
2013-02-13 11:06:29 PM

One Bad Apple: Olympic MMA would be so nerfed up it would be unwatchable even if the pros were allowed to compete. Full headgear and chest protectors like TKD. Then there is the matter of scheduling so many matches in such a short span of time.


Well, let's see who the IOC recognizes as the governing body of MMA. Hang on.

(goes off to look)

...FILA? Are you kidding me? Does that mean wrestling's ouster automatically shoots MMA in the ass as well?
 
2013-02-13 11:08:47 PM
This is BS. Gardener was a major story when he took down that Russian bear.
 
2013-02-13 11:11:10 PM
Here's the citation, if you need one.
 
2013-02-13 11:12:08 PM
Kurt Angle is going to be p*ssed! :-(
 
2013-02-13 11:13:17 PM
FTFA:  "We knew even before the decision was taken whatever sport would not be included in the core program would lead to criticism from the supporters of that sport," [IOC President Jacques Rogge] said.

Then maybe you should have cut a sport without any supporters, like... say... the Franco-Prussian Pentathlon.
 
2013-02-13 11:13:54 PM
So does wrestling have a chance in hell or does it have no chance in hell?
 
2013-02-13 11:23:28 PM
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Alexander Karelin frowns at the IOC's shenanigans.
 
2013-02-13 11:24:50 PM

TheManofPA: So does wrestling have a chance in hell or does it have no chance in hell?

 
2013-02-13 11:25:48 PM

TheManofPA: So does wrestling have a chance in hell or does it have no chance in hell?


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2013-02-13 11:26:04 PM

Captain Steroid: Kurt Angle is going to be p*ssed! :-(


Angle said he'd be dedicating his life to getting wrestling back in the Olympics, if I remember his interview on it correctly, heh.
 
2013-02-13 11:27:46 PM
...yep. Wrestling and MMA's fates are tied here. Each sport, as classified by the IOC, is overseen by a single governing body. The International Aquatics Federation, for example, oversees all aquatics events. As FILA is MMA's governing body, MMA can be included to the Games without adding a sport, as it would be classified under wrestling. By the same token, if wrestling is eliminated, everything FILA oversees is eliminated, which means MMA could not be included in the future.

So you're fighting for BOTH sports here.
 
2013-02-13 11:33:39 PM

robsul82: Captain Steroid: Kurt Angle is going to be p*ssed! :-(

Angle said he'd be dedicating his life to getting wrestling back in the Olympics, if I remember his interview on it correctly, heh.


By the looks of him lately that'll be a short battle.
 
2013-02-13 11:37:46 PM
"They vowed to adapt the sport ..."

"It's good to see the reaction of FILA to say, `OK we have understood, we have to do something and we will present a plan for the future of wrestling.'"

TFA leaves one with the impression that there is something obviously wrong with the sport, and then proceeds to act upon that obviousness by not saying one damn word about what it is that IS wrong with Olympic wrestling. What exactly is the "something" that FILA has to do and why?
 
2013-02-13 11:39:16 PM
Make the participants go back to wrestling naked and slathered in olive oil. I'd watch woman's wrestling, and all the women and 10-15% of the men I know would watch men's  wrestling. The same strategy could be applied to beach volleyball.
 
2013-02-13 11:53:25 PM

SkittleBrau: TFA leaves one with the impression that there is something obviously wrong with the sport, and then proceeds to act upon that obviousness by not saying one damn word about what it is that IS wrong with Olympic wrestling. What exactly is the "something" that FILA has to do and why?


Stop Americans from winning so many golds, obviously.
 
2013-02-14 12:04:34 AM

chapman: TheManofPA: So does wrestling have a chance in hell or does it have no chance in hell?

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I'd rather see the college guys go to FCW anyways (or heaven forbid FCW if TNA can get its act together enough that I would we glad to hear somebody got into its minor league). I mean Broooooockkkkkkkk Lesssnnnnnaaaarrrrrrrr [imagine the Paul Heyman voice for that] didn't need the be an Olympian to make it big.
 
2013-02-14 12:32:37 AM

SkittleBrau: "They vowed to adapt the sport ..."

"It's good to see the reaction of FILA to say, `OK we have understood, we have to do something and we will present a plan for the future of wrestling.'"

TFA leaves one with the impression that there is something obviously wrong with the sport, and then proceeds to act upon that obviousness by not saying one damn word about what it is that IS wrong with Olympic wrestling. What exactly is the "something" that FILA has to do and why?


I read a while back that the IOC wasn't really happy with the fact that some many of the wrestlers also competed in MMA competitions. From what I read many in the IOC frowned down on MMA and were really unhappy with the association that wrestling has with it. They also didn't like the fact that there are some professional wrestlers that often promote Olympic wrestling. I think that this is the IOC telling the separate wrestling committees to put a permanent wall between themselves and MMA and professional wrestling. .
 
2013-02-14 12:41:19 AM

jbuist: I might be uninformed, but as I recall the original sports in the Olympics were basically track, field, and wrestling. If you nix wrestling I'll no longer recognize it as something that's legitimately the "Olympics."


1896 Olympics had swimming, cycling, gymnastics, wrestling, athletics, fencing, shooting, tennis, and weightlifting.

1900 Olympics did NOT have wrestling.
 
2013-02-14 12:58:38 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: sub graps would be cool because judo, under the current olympic rules, allows almost no groundwork anymore


^^^^^^^ THIS
 
2013-02-14 01:49:31 AM
And yet the mighty sport of dressage continues it's unstoppable reign of terror. Submitter nailed it- it's just about money and connections.
 
2013-02-14 01:51:36 AM

12349876: 1900 Olympics did NOT have wrestling.


Don't try to make it sound like they're a modern invention.

Greco-Roman wrestling (or Graeco-Roman)has been included in every edition of the summer Olympics held since 1908. (wiki)

jbuist: Sorry, but the original intent was for city states in Greece to lay down their arms and compete in games that resembled combat. Running was important, throwing was important, and wrestling was important. That is the nature of the games. To lay down our arms and to compete without death on the line.


It also answered the always-asked questions of: Who is the fastest? Who is the quickest? Who is the strongest? Who is the toughest?

That gymnast BS with the ribbon and the ball do not address these questions. Synchronized swimming/diving doesn't. Gymnastics really doesn't, but at least that requires extreme physicality to do well. Equestrian events (since we don't live in an age of horse-mounted combat) don't. The static shooting events don't. Soccer doesn't. Baseball doesn't. Handball doesn't. etc etc.

I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but realistically, team sports really don't have much of a place in the Olympics.
 
2013-02-14 03:38:28 AM
they once got a bribe [______________________this big_______________________]
 
2013-02-14 03:54:02 AM
Bring back Tug of War!
 
2013-02-14 04:54:15 AM

A Fark Handle: they once got a bribe [______________________this big_______________________]


/Not to scale
 
2013-02-14 08:38:11 AM

Gosling: How about 'mug modern pentathlon and steal its clothes'?

And aside from wrestling needing to be reinstated, why are baseball/softball, karate, squash, roller sports, sport climbing, wakeboarding and wushu on the list while MMA isn't? What is MMA but warmed-over pankration?


There needs to be an X-TREEM PENTATHLON: skateboarding, skydiving, MMA, wakeboarding, and paintball. That'll bring in ratings.

As for wrestling, I don't think the bribes will go through. If only there were some way he could threaten or restrain the IOC folks.
 
2013-02-14 09:31:23 AM

Summoner101: A Fark Handle: they once got a bribe [______________________this big_______________________]

/Not to scale


I don't know. On my screen, that could be a pretty thick stack of hundreds. Or better yet, 500 euro notes.
 
2013-02-14 09:38:45 AM

grinding_journalist: 12349876: 1900 Olympics did NOT have wrestling.

Don't try to make it sound like they're a modern invention.


Wow; you really ignored his previous sentence so that you could throw out a link to Wikipedia and try to look intelligent? He said they were an event in 1896 - how did you come to the conclusion that he was trying to make wrestling sound like a modern invention?
 
2013-02-14 09:56:19 AM
There's a lot on the line here, for example a whole new line of JEEEEAAAAANNNNN CCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAA Olympic gear.

Or would Sheamus become the Olympic wresling fella?  Antonio Ceasaro waving the Olympic flag?
 
2013-02-14 10:35:29 AM

grinding_journalist: I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but realistically, team sports really don't have much of a place in the Olympics.


Who gives a shiat about your pure ideal of what you think the olympics should be? It has no ultimate meaning. It's entertainment with a side of nationalism, and team sports are the most popular form of athletic entertainment in the modern world. They should be included, if only because it's fun to watch your nation beat up on other nations in the popular sports of the day. Because fun watching your country's representatives beat up on the rest of the world is what it's all about.

That's where it ends. The olympics exist because they entertain us. They don't exist as some magical thing with an inherent, unchangeable purpose. They only matter because people watch them, and because people like to watch them.
 
2013-02-14 10:50:26 AM

jbuist: I might be uninformed, but as I recall the original sports in the Olympics were basically track, field, and wrestling.  If you nix wrestling I'll no longer recognize it as something that's legitimately the "Olympics."

Sorry, but the original intent was for city states in Greece to lay down their arms and compete in games that resembled combat.  Running was important, throwing was important, and wrestling was important.  That is the nature of the games.  To lay down our arms and to compete without death on the line.

But, alas, it seems to be all about TV ratings now.  Pity.


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I don't think would work on NBC's coverage.  Personally it's not so much the nudity and the olive oil and the grabbing.  It's the creepy refs/coaches with their pokey sticks.
 
2013-02-14 11:07:06 AM

cptjeff: They only matter because people watch them, and because people like to watch them.


It amuses me you began with "your opinion is irrelevant", then posted a lengthy opinion, as if yours is more relevant for some reason.
 
2013-02-14 11:20:14 AM

Gosling: How about 'mug modern pentathlon and steal its clothes'?


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Frowns upon your shenanigans
 
2013-02-14 11:59:07 AM

grinding_journalist: cptjeff: They only matter because people watch them, and because people like to watch them.

It amuses me you began with "your opinion is irrelevant", then posted a lengthy opinion, as if yours is more relevant for some reason.


See, mine isn't so much an opinion so much as it is a statement of fact. You have an opinion about the meaning of the olympics. I make a factual declaration that there is no meaning. If you disagree with that, you're supposed to refute it with evidence and stuff.
 
2013-02-14 12:12:35 PM

cptjeff: See, mine isn't so much an opinion so much as it is a statement of fact. You have an opinion about the meaning of the olympics. I make a factual declaration that there is no meaning. If you disagree with that, you're supposed to refute it with evidence and stuff.


Your "factual declaration" that the Olympics have no meaning is anything but.

The Greeks invented athletic contests and held them in honour of their gods. The Isthmos game were staged every two years at the Isthmos of Corinth. The Pythian games took place every four years near Delphi. The most famous games held at Olympia, South- West of Greece, which took place every four years. The ancient Olympics seem to have begun in the early 700 BC, in honour of Zeus. No women were allowed to watch the games and only Greek nationals could participate. One of the ancient wonders was a statue of Zeus at Olympia, made of gold and ivory by a Greek sculptor Pheidias. This was placed inside a Temple, although it was a towering 42 feet high.  http://www.ancientgreece.com/s/Olympics/

They weren't even originally meant to be a display of nationalism, it was a religious thing. Saying the Olympics has no meaning (or are only meant to entertain) is like saying the meaning of Christmas is to buy things and decorate your house. I won't disagree with you that their "meaning" has changed over the years, but they were never conceived as a nationalistic display for pride and entertainment.

I'd also bet that the athletes who participate would be miffed if you explained to them that the event they'd been training their whole lives for served no other purpose to entertain people sitting on their couches around the world. While once they were a display of religious zeal, I'd contend that they now serve to determine who is the best at a particular athletic feat.

It's not exactly the same thing, but would you also say that the Special Olympics only exist because they entertain us? I don't know that I've ever met anyone who has told me that they like to watch the Special Olympics, or that they're even entertaining. Sporting contests serve a greater (or at least more than the singular) purpose than entertaining you. That's certainly where the money is (as is the case with the shift in the "meaning of Christmas) but that's not what it's all about. Part of it? Sure, but the entertainment factor is a byproduct of the elements that make it what it is, not the reason they're there.
 
2013-02-14 12:31:55 PM

grinding_journalist: but they were never conceived as a nationalistic display for pride and entertainment.


Okay, and this applies to the modern games how? Because I'm pretty sure that's EXACTLY why they were revived. They may have been religious in ancient greece, though I'm more inclined to believe that they were exactly as religious as the Romans tossing Christians in with the lions. Pure entertainment, with religion providing the excuse. Regardless of that, the people who decided to bring them back certainly didn't have any grand ideas about religious significance, they had entertainment in mind. Big, fun, athletic competition that people could have fun watching at a time when pretend ancient greek stuff was trendy.

grinding_journalist: I'd also bet that the athletes who participate would be miffed if you explained to them that the event they'd been training their whole lives for served no other purpose to entertain people sitting on their couches around the world.


Ask a pro athlete if there's some inherent meaning to their sports league, or if it's just entertainment. Not many will deny that they're there to entertain fans. In the Olympics, you get the national pride element- which means the point is to entertain and inspire people from your country.

grinding_journalist: It's not exactly the same thing, but would you also say that the Special Olympics only exist because they entertain us?


No, the special olympics are not the same thing, and those actually do have a purpose.
 
2013-02-15 05:28:29 PM
If we get rid of Greco/Roman wrestling, you know, one of the FARKING originals, what can we replace it with?

Interpretive dance?

Performance art???

"Okay, and the United States team has given a strong performance with 3 midgets shiatting into a bucket.  Last up, we have the... my God, there are a dozen men in diapers and crutches coming onto the stage.  They have singing Gregorian chants, and the team captain is now on the stage, wearing only an athletic supporter with a 1 m dowel rod duct taped to it, this could be, yes, YES!  He is smacking himself in the forehead with his crotch rod as the gimp choir continues singing behind him.  THIS is your Olympic moment people!  The judges are posting their scores!  10!  10!  10! 6.2 - dammit Bulgaria 10!  10!  10!  BELGIUM WINS!  BELGIUM WINS!"

Seriously, this would be what we, as a world, will have descended to.
 
2013-02-17 01:38:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqQ8x9Fjp5w

I refuse to recognize the negotiations if he isn't there
 
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