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(io9)   Meet the blacksmith behind Game of Thrones' incredibly functional swords   (io9.com) divider line 19
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2013-02-13 09:04:51 PM
3 votes:
By functional, I guess that means "movie prop"
2013-02-13 08:58:54 PM
3 votes:

Malky: For everyone that biatches about him not pounding out a blade you should remember he is being paid to make swords being used on a tv show.  He isnt trying to make period masterpieces.  Im guessing that HBO wouldnt pay him for the work to make a proper sword even if he wanted to.


okay, but he also lacks an understanding of elements of the blade and why they are there.

No one who calls a fuller a blood groove or blood channel should be considered anything close to a blacksmith. At best he's a prop-maker.
2013-02-13 08:43:53 PM
3 votes:
Yeesh, this guy is an embarrassment to any real blacksmith.

A fuller is not a blood channel or blood groove, or blood whatever. It was for making the sword lighter and less flexible.

/going to watch the PBS special where a real blacksmith makes an ulfbreht sword from scratch.
2013-02-13 08:55:27 PM
2 votes:

Malky: For everyone that biatches about him not pounding out a blade you should remember he is being paid to make swords being used on a tv show.  He isnt trying to make period masterpieces.  Im guessing that HBO wouldnt pay him for the work to make a proper sword even if he wanted to.


Exactly. HBO understands that making swords for Jamie Lannister is a bad investment.
2013-02-13 08:42:41 PM
2 votes:
blood groove

OK, no.  Just no.
2013-02-13 08:42:27 PM
2 votes:
I was dissapointed the blade was cut from flat stock...

Not that that doesnt make a good blade... Just wasnt the forging I thought it would be
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2013-02-13 08:31:24 PM
2 votes:
So he ground down a piece of stock and put a handle on it.  I was sort of expecting a lot of heating and hammering to form the blade.
2013-02-13 06:51:14 PM
2 votes:
The only smithing he did was on the cross-guard, everything else was machine tools.  A little on the lame side.

/super amateur knife maker
2013-02-14 01:33:21 PM
1 votes:

red5ish: I am not going to watch the show but I'd love to have that guy's job.


I have no idea what that guy's real job is, nor why you would want it.  Everybody seems to have missed this from the farking article -

" (FYI, he's not Game of Thrones' official blacksmith - that's someone else - he's just recreating the sword from the show for this video. Although the video doesn't exactly go out of its way to explain this(.  "

I even included the ending open parens.

This is just some fanboy making props for himself, not for HBO.
2013-02-13 10:56:17 PM
1 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: r My Bloody Valentine cover unless your guitarist is playing a surfcaster and your bassist is lesbian.


See  you mention My Bloody Valentine and I recall a slasher flick. It's not that either one of us is wrong, but that we're using different contexts. Forging the manufacturing process is very different then forging as in copying
2013-02-13 10:50:43 PM
1 votes:
Yes, people who know the actual meaning of a word are hipsters. God forbid we use english language as a fine pointed weapon instead of the crude block of shiat smeared on a cave wall.
2013-02-13 09:50:49 PM
1 votes:
So....

Starts with bar stock... ok, that's fine. Pretty much just skipping the step of making the bar stock yourself, and with modern steels that's not necessary.

Cuts out the shape with a bandsaw? No.
Cuts the edge on a grinder? No.
Cuts the fuller with a.... whatever that is, looks like the metalworking equivalent of a router? No.
Believes the silly legend about the fuller being a 'blood groove'? Nononono.

Makes prop swords that are much closer to the functionality of a real sword than most? Sure. Swordsmith? No. And show it cutting through something *tough*, please. Even a wallhanger can break glass, assuming the blade doesn't snap at the tang first.
2013-02-13 09:50:23 PM
1 votes:
no sword porn? i am disappoint, fark
2013-02-13 09:25:26 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: Brontes: The only smithing he did was on the cross-guard, everything else was machine tools.  A little on the lame side.

/super amateur knife maker

Yeah because he actually does it for a living, he is not a Ren Faire attendee.


Your point being? He still just machined a sword-like object.  Hacking out a piece of long pig iron into a sword shape doesn't make you a swordsmith.  It makes you a machinist.  Which, while impressive, isn't swordsmithing any more than a Mcdonalds cook is a chef.

And people are only biatching because the headline implies it's awesome. Or at least more interesting than 'take bar stock and sharpen it'.
2013-02-13 09:08:48 PM
1 votes:

loonatic112358: kroonermanblack: Not going to get me to click an i09 link, sorry.

I take it from the posts he 'blacksmiths' his swords the same way 99% of drama iron is 'blacksmithed'.

The blade is cut out on a bandsaw the groove is milled in, and the rest is on the grinder

The Hilt it looks like he actually hammers the whole thing, and the pommel is investment cast

I give him a D- he could have put more effort into the blade


To be honest there's not much difference between what he did and sword you'd see a blacksmith make. The only difference is that he can just use the modern steels available today that inherently possess the attributes he's looking for instead of pounding and work hardening inferior steels like you would have to back before metallurgy became a science. If you've seen what a "finished" sword looks like before it hits the grinder you wouldn't hardly call it a sword, just a length of ugly, pitted, slaggy metal.

About the only way you can get better toughness qualities out of a blade than is available in modern metal stock forms is either by wootz or by repetitive folding of the blade edge material and insertion of a harder, brittler steel into the canoe wedge you pounded into the blade edge material ie Japanese bladesmithing practices. Either way, you're talking about a prohibitively expensive sword.

As a machinist, someone who has dabbled in pounding on glowing metals, and a gunsmith who is seriously contemplating forging a 1911 slide out of wootz, I assure you his approach was the "sane" one.
2013-02-13 08:56:25 PM
1 votes:

Malky: For everyone that biatches about him not pounding out a blade you should remember he is being paid to make swords being used on a tv show.  He isnt trying to make period masterpieces.  Im guessing that HBO wouldnt pay him for the work to make a proper sword even if he wanted to.


Yeah, but that's not really what the article implied. I expected prop swords given what he was making it for, the article made it out to seem like something more. I wouldn't consider the sword he made an "incredibly functional sword" just because it can smash some glass.
2013-02-13 08:50:31 PM
1 votes:

msupf: Yeesh, this guy is an embarrassment to any real blacksmith.

A fuller is not a blood channel or blood groove, or blood whatever. It was for making the sword lighter and less flexible.

/going to watch the PBS special where a real blacksmith makes an ulfbreht sword from scratch.


This whole thread is making me wish I had made it to Renfest to watch the blacksmiths at work
2013-02-13 08:48:10 PM
1 votes:

kroonermanblack: Not going to get me to click an i09 link, sorry.

I take it from the posts he 'blacksmiths' his swords the same way 99% of drama iron is 'blacksmithed'.


The blade is cut out on a bandsaw the groove is milled in, and the rest is on the grinder

The Hilt it looks like he actually hammers the whole thing, and the pommel is investment cast

I give him a D- he could have put more effort into the blade
2013-02-13 08:38:44 PM
1 votes:
Not going to get me to click an i09 link, sorry.

I take it from the posts he 'blacksmiths' his swords the same way 99% of drama iron is 'blacksmithed'.
 
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