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(Sun Sentinel)   Man arrested for waving around a sword in public that "is known to loyal Star Trek fans as traditional Klingon Bat 'leth or Sword of Honor." Q'apla, Kurn   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 141
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2013-02-13 06:25:54 PM
But a mek'leth quicker and more agile in tight spaces.
 
2013-02-13 06:48:36 PM
A judge set a $100 bond Wednesday and ordered Blade to avoid swords

Now it's only a matter of time before FL is overrun by vampires.
 
2013-02-13 06:58:31 PM
What a petaQ
 
2013-02-13 07:25:09 PM

whither_apophis: But a mek'leth quicker and more agile in tight spaces.


This
 
2013-02-13 08:06:54 PM
"Johnnie Blade" - are they sure he wasn't holding one of these?

steelcloset.com
 
2013-02-13 08:19:23 PM
I honestly don't understand how a Klingon could keep one of those in his hands; the grips suck.  Plus, how the hell do you carry one?  Is there a case, a way to attach shoulder straps?
 
2013-02-13 08:22:22 PM
is it wrong that I was surprised he was black?
 
2013-02-13 08:22:50 PM
With a name like Johnnie Blade the judge should just let him go on principle.
 
2013-02-13 08:22:59 PM
To ask him to stay away from his sword is tantamount to asking his mother for a cup of olive oil in order to violate her in an "unnatural" way.
 
2013-02-13 08:23:17 PM
One of the best things I have ever seen in my life was a jacked up ford F-250 running down I-75 in Georgia with a pair of Bat'leths hanging in the gun racks.

/and an SCA sticker, of course.
 
2013-02-13 08:26:37 PM
th04.deviantart.net

don't dream it....be it
 
2013-02-13 08:27:16 PM
He was captured, which means he must commit suicide, otherwise he will disgrace his family name.
 
2013-02-13 08:27:53 PM
TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO BE ARRESTED!!!!
 
2013-02-13 08:28:38 PM
By Bat'leth's sword.... what a savings.
 
2013-02-13 08:28:53 PM
No picture of the arrestee  brandishing the actual sword?
-THREAD FAIL
 
2013-02-13 08:31:31 PM

Omahawg: [th04.deviantart.net image 850x739]

don't dream it....be it


He seems smelly.
 
2013-02-13 08:31:37 PM
i183.photobucket.com

/Would like to shake the hand of the propsmaster that made that.

Gorgeous work.
 
2013-02-13 08:32:27 PM
I bet he's wanted in 12 systems.
 
2013-02-13 08:33:51 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: He was captured, which means he must commit suicide, otherwise he will disgrace his family name.


I think at this juncture, he must ask for Mauk-to'Vor.
 
2013-02-13 08:35:51 PM
I've always been of the opinion that a bat'leth wold be a perfect addition to a zombie preparedness arsenal. Great for close fighting, big pointy bits for jabbing in the head, and can be swing easily and effectively for decapitation.
 
2013-02-13 08:41:31 PM
Tortured and twisted, he walks the streets alone
People avoid him, they know the street's his own
Cold blade of silver, his eyes they burn so wild
Mean as a tiger, society's own child

Those that tried to burn him paid
You don't do that to Johnny Blade
He's the meanest guy around his town
One look and he will cut you down
Johnny Blade, Johnny Blade
 
2013-02-13 08:46:41 PM

Rich Cream: Tortured and twisted, he walks the streets alone
People avoid him, they know the street's his own
Cold blade of silver, his eyes they burn so wild
Mean as a tiger, society's own child

Those that tried to burn him paid
You don't do that to Johnny Blade
He's the meanest guy around his town
One look and he will cut you down
Johnny Blade, Johnny Blade


It's better in the original Klingon.
 
2013-02-13 08:46:58 PM
"proudly displaying" the crescent shaped weapon to passing motorists
disorderly intoxication in a public place that caused a disturbance


See now I feel sad, he was drunk as shiat and trying to be friendly.
 
2013-02-13 08:49:50 PM

zzottt: is it wrong that I was surprised he was black?


Probably. But I had the same reaction, so I guess I'll see you on the plane.

/can I have the aisle?
 
2013-02-13 08:50:36 PM
Are those things even sharp? I mean, I get it that you can't have a drunk nerd out in public proudly displaying his collection of awesome replica battle armament from various paramount and upn television shows, but surly they wouldn't have shipped out a razor sharp Klingon sword to someone. Is it even metal?
 
2013-02-13 08:51:31 PM

kbronsito: Now it's only a matter of time before FL is overrun by vampires.



It might be an improvement over the current crop of undead that has overrun the state. Have you seen their governor?
 
2013-02-13 08:52:29 PM

zzottt: is it wrong that I was surprised he was black?


I don't think anyone will have a big problem with the idea of being surprised that a black guy was guilty of a crime.
 
2013-02-13 08:53:40 PM
I applaud his choice in weapons.  A Bat' leth is not as crude or as random as a blaster.
 
2013-02-13 08:58:44 PM
Big kudos to the journalist who didn't mislabel it as a "samurai sword" for once!

imageshack.us
 
2013-02-13 08:58:51 PM

SirEattonHogg: I applaud his choice in weapons.  A Bat' leth is not as crude

clumsy or as random as a blaster.

FTFY.
 
2013-02-13 09:01:20 PM
You know; you can get a full size stainless steel bat'leth from the Internet. Unsharpened, of course.

/ but stainless steel that large is known to be brittle; it would be better if you got it cold forged
 
2013-02-13 09:02:31 PM
s18.postimage.org
 
2013-02-13 09:03:21 PM
Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.
 
2013-02-13 09:04:32 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-13 09:06:09 PM
I will be super impressed when someone gets arrested with a kar'takin.

/Victory is Life
//off the fire up the DS9 dvds.
 
2013-02-13 09:06:16 PM

unchellmatt: Great for close fighting, big pointy bits for jabbing in the head, and can be swing easily and effectively for decapitation.


If that was made of steel that shiat would be heavy. Much heavier than many real heavy weapons like greatswords and poleaxes. The closest real life example would be the German dueling shield Link, which you'll notice is mostly resting on the ground. There were maneuvers to pick that bad boy up, though.
 
2013-02-13 09:10:02 PM
10awesome.com
 
2013-02-13 09:10:03 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.



Ahh crap, you done went there. There is a time and a place for an "original series" vs. "tng" debate. If this is where you want to do, well, that's what's going to happen, but you have the chance now to just say the thread about the naked* black guy in Florida with a Klingon sword while drunk and in public isn't it.

*for dramatic effect
 
2013-02-13 09:10:57 PM
He obviously had too much blood wine
 
2013-02-13 09:12:55 PM

doglover: unchellmatt: Great for close fighting, big pointy bits for jabbing in the head, and can be swing easily and effectively for decapitation.

If that was made of steel that shiat would be heavy. Much heavier than many real heavy weapons like greatswords and poleaxes. The closest real life example would be the German dueling shield Link, which you'll notice is mostly resting on the ground. There were maneuvers to pick that bad boy up, though.


When my dad worked for GEAE they had titanium billets that they milled jet engine turbine blades out of.

The billets were scanned/xrayed, and a variety of other tests were used to find any kind of problems with them before milling started.

Any billets with imperfections were discarded, and after they sat around for awhile they were sold for scrap or "disappeared" for use in employee "activities" (This was pre-9/11..and plant security was much less intense)

I have held in my hands a full sized titanium bat'leth. Sharp as sin, and nimble as hell. Too brittle for parrying, but it would make a hell of an offensive weapon.

I would HATE even guess what it would retail for, but the guy was selling them for about $500, which I figure is about 2x what the milling +leather wrap cost him.
 
2013-02-13 09:13:22 PM

Omahawg: [th04.deviantart.net image 850x739]

don't dream it....be it


Cardboard. Psh. Consider an upgrade.
 
2013-02-13 09:14:34 PM
Mega Steve: He obviously had too much blood wine


Well it ain't gonna be Romulan Ale.
 
2013-02-13 09:19:03 PM

doglover: unchellmatt: Great for close fighting, big pointy bits for jabbing in the head, and can be swing easily and effectively for decapitation.

If that was made of steel that shiat would be heavy. Much heavier than many real heavy weapons like greatswords and poleaxes. The closest real life example would be the German dueling shield Link, which you'll notice is mostly resting on the ground. There were maneuvers to pick that bad boy up, though.


I have one (bat'leth not dueling shield) made of steel.  It is god-awful heavy.  Unless you're totally jacked, you'd get tired mighty fast using that to fight zombies.  Not to mention carrying it around with you would greatly diminish your ability to carry other supplies.  My vote for zombie killing weapon of choice is a couple of well made katanas.
 
2013-02-13 09:21:16 PM

Shadow Blasko: [i183.photobucket.com image 705x530]

/Would like to shake the hand of the propsmaster that made that.

Gorgeous work.


I thought they were natural myself.

Er, wait, we're not talking about the same props, are we...
 
2013-02-13 09:22:14 PM
Random trivia:

the guy who played Kurn also played the adult Jake Sisko in the funky skip-forward-through-time episode.
 
2013-02-13 09:24:06 PM

Rye_: Omahawg: [th04.deviantart.net image 850x739]

don't dream it....be it

He seems smelly.


I can practically see the stink lines emanating through my monitor
 
2013-02-13 09:26:13 PM
The simple fact is the traditional European swords would beat a bat'leth.  Or samurai sword for that matter.  Those were the best melee weapons ever devised and nobody beats the best.
 
2013-02-13 09:26:18 PM
Which is more impractical as a weapon, the Bat 'leth, or the Glaive from Krull?
 
2013-02-13 09:28:19 PM

over_and_done: I thought they were natural myself.

Er, wait, we're not talking about the same props, are we...


I was always suspicious of the perfect symmetry/same shape/no movement across every episode. Same with her hair.
 
2013-02-13 09:30:06 PM

AaronSynn: I have one (bat'leth not dueling shield) made of steel. It is god-awful heavy. Unless you're totally jacked, you'd get tired mighty fast using that to fight zombies. Not to mention carrying it around with you would greatly diminish your ability to carry other supplies. My vote for zombie killing weapon of choice is a couple of well made katanas.


Yeah, that's one reason it earned it's #3 spot on Cracked's "Most Retarded Fictional Weapons" list.
 
2013-02-13 09:35:33 PM

over_and_done: Random trivia:

the guy who played Kurn also played the adult Jake Sisko in the funky skip-forward-through-time episode.


That'd be the always awesome Tony Todd.
 
2013-02-13 09:37:09 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: [s18.postimage.org image 451x600]


A most excellent shop.
 
2013-02-13 09:38:27 PM
I liked how in Star Trek half the people in the galaxy had an energy dampening field and Starfleet didn't keep gunpowder-based weapons in a cabinet for when the lights go out.

/Would've liked to have seen Sisko go Indiana Jones on a Klingon
 
2013-02-13 09:40:14 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.


Eh? What's wrong with Episode III? Return of the Jedi is the second best of the trilogy.
 
2013-02-13 09:47:05 PM

Prussian_Roulette: I liked how in Star Trek half the people in the galaxy had an energy dampening field and Starfleet didn't keep gunpowder-based weapons in a cabinet for when the lights go out.

/Would've liked to have seen Sisko go Indiana Jones on a Klingon


Exactly. A rack full of Remington 870s with a few cases of 00 buck would have made story lines with the Borg a hell of a lot easier.
 
2013-02-13 09:48:13 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.


Keep dreaming nerd.  TNG is superior to TOS in every way except for the movies.
 
2013-02-13 09:52:07 PM

Mega Steve: He obviously had too much blood wine


this.
 
2013-02-13 09:53:45 PM

Neondistraction: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.

Keep dreaming nerd.  TNG is superior to TOS in every way except for the movies.


wrong. the original is superior in every way. did you not see spock's brain? philistine.
 
2013-02-13 09:54:15 PM
As a guy who's made swords for a few decades, the bat'leth breaks my heart. It looks like a joke, not a weapon. There's a reason every sword-using culture has come to the basic idea of "grip at one end, sharp pointy bit going the other way". It's simple and it works.
 
2013-02-13 09:58:58 PM

over_and_done: Random trivia:

the guy who played Kurn also played the adult Jake Sisko in the funky skip-forward-through-time episode.


I got one for you:

In Star Trek VI, the klingon appointed to defend Kirk is named Worf, and is played by Michael Dorn.
 
2013-02-13 10:00:38 PM
What's wrong with standing near a sword and waving?
 
m00
2013-02-13 10:02:44 PM

sanriosucks: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.


Ahh crap, you done went there. There is a time and a place for an "original series" vs. "tng" debate. If this is where you want to do, well, that's what's going to happen, but you have the chance now to just say the thread about the naked* black guy in Florida with a Klingon sword while drunk and in public isn't it.

*for dramatic effect


DS9 was the best of them.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:15 PM

JosephFinn: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.

Eh? What's wrong with Episode III? Return of the Jedi is the second best of the trilogy.


Don't know if your trolling, but Return of the Jedi was episode 6.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:19 PM

Prussian_Roulette: I liked how in Star Trek half the people in the galaxy had an energy dampening field and Starfleet didn't keep gunpowder-based weapons in a cabinet for when the lights go out.


Well, there was the TR-116, the only handheld projectile weapon in the Starfleet inventory, circa 2375.  Created specifically for environment where phasers could not work due to various energy dampening fields, it's fires chemically propelled titanium slugs and is in a rifle configuration.

There was a DS9 episode "Field of Fire" about one being used as an assassination weapon (when fitted with a micro-transporter, so they could essentially beam a speeding bullet into another room).

So yeah, they actually kind of addressed the point, once.  (That and judging by on-screen evidence, projectile guns are the most effective weapon against Borg, since Picard plowed through them with a tommy gun in First Contact)
 
2013-02-13 10:03:55 PM

NephilimNexus: Big kudos to the journalist who didn't mislabel it as a "samurai sword" for once!


Is that Mr. Spork?

templeofthegeekgoddess.com
 
m00
2013-02-13 10:04:08 PM

cynicalbastard: As a guy who's made swords for a few decades, the bat'leth breaks my heart. It looks like a joke, not a weapon. There's a reason every sword-using culture has come to the basic idea of "grip at one end, sharp pointy bit going the other way". It's simple and it works.


www.superiormartialarts.com
 
2013-02-13 10:04:56 PM

Therion: "Johnnie Blade" - are they sure he wasn't holding one of these?

[steelcloset.com image 400x400]


Is that a pair of wrestling trunks?
 
2013-02-13 10:05:15 PM
Was it this guy?

/I hate Pawn Stars.
//Not a Trekkie.
 
2013-02-13 10:12:03 PM

MarkEC: JosephFinn: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.

Eh? What's wrong with Episode III? Return of the Jedi is the second best of the trilogy.

Don't know if your trolling, but Return of the Jedi was episode 6.


Nice try.  The prequels don't count.
 
2013-02-13 10:12:41 PM

BuckTurgidson: [10awesome.com image 380x280]


I went to a small engineering/technical school in the UP of Michigan.

The week that song was released, it was the only thing you heard as you walked through the dorms.
 
2013-02-13 10:28:22 PM

m00: cynicalbastard: As a guy who's made swords for a few decades, the bat'leth breaks my heart. It looks like a joke, not a weapon. There's a reason every sword-using culture has come to the basic idea of "grip at one end, sharp pointy bit going the other way". It's simple and it works.

[www.superiormartialarts.com image 330x550]


Yeah, about those- got any refs for their use in actual battle, as opposed to esoteric martial arts and various kung-fu movies?
 
2013-02-13 10:35:59 PM
I had a chance to use a bat'leth a few months ago at a pumpkin-slashing fest thrown by a martial arts instructor. I train in bladed weapons but had never used a "novelty" item like the bat'leth. Let me tell you, the only weapon on the table that sucked worse than the bat'leth was a fake samurai sword which we managed to give a "permanent wave" after only a couple of cuts. In battle, the bat'leth is guaranteed to kill someone -- that someone being yourself.

I don't even think it looks particularly bad-ass either. It's kind of dorky, and that silly move where a Klingon raises the bat'leth above his head with both arms to block a downward strike it a pretty dumb move as it leaves you abdomen wide open to attack, not to mention any real Klingon ought to be ashamed to employ such a purely defensive move such as that. Always counter-attack while defending.
 
2013-02-13 10:43:14 PM

awgsilyari: I had a chance to use a bat'leth a few months ago at a pumpkin-slashing fest thrown by a martial arts instructor. I train in bladed weapons but had never used a "novelty" item like the bat'leth. Let me tell you, the only weapon on the table that sucked worse than the bat'leth was a fake samurai sword which we managed to give a "permanent wave" after only a couple of cuts. In battle, the bat'leth is guaranteed to kill someone -- that someone being yourself.

I don't even think it looks particularly bad-ass either. It's kind of dorky, and that silly move where a Klingon raises the bat'leth above his head with both arms to block a downward strike it a pretty dumb move as it leaves you abdomen wide open to attack, not to mention any real Klingon ought to be ashamed to employ such a purely defensive move such as that. Always counter-attack while defending.


Paging FightDirector and Therion to thread 7591288
 
m00
2013-02-13 10:46:21 PM

cynicalbastard: m00: cynicalbastard: As a guy who's made swords for a few decades, the bat'leth breaks my heart. It looks like a joke, not a weapon. There's a reason every sword-using culture has come to the basic idea of "grip at one end, sharp pointy bit going the other way". It's simple and it works.

[www.superiormartialarts.com image 330x550]

Yeah, about those- got any refs for their use in actual battle, as opposed to esoteric martial arts and various kung-fu movies?


I wouldn't call it "esoteric" -- it's a traditional Chinese weapon, and found in a lot of Kung Fu offshoots. I'm not saying it's common, but they were actually used in battle. You can check wikipedia for "hook sword." But basically the hooks are used for trapping/disarming.

There is also something that looks kinda like a one-handed Bat'leth (It's a seven-pointed Knife) which you can see on the wall in the background

pages.123-reg.co.uk

Also, there are deer-horn knives: http://deerhornknives.com/knives.html
deerhornknives.com

These were actually used as a concealed weapon, and supposedly can counter larger swords, and spears.
 
2013-02-13 10:54:47 PM
Meh, you can usually find something laying around that can beat a sword.

nerdsofwisdom.com
 
2013-02-13 10:59:03 PM
WHAR 2ND AMMENDMENT? WHAR?!
 
2013-02-13 11:12:21 PM
Here's the thing.

If he was wearing Klingon garb including the forehead and nose...the cops probably would have laughed and let him go with a warning.  But the fact that he was stoned and in possession of drugs made him easy pickings for the cops.
 
2013-02-13 11:12:39 PM
I expect that the Chinese silly weapons were on occasion "used in battle" by someone attempting to hit someone else in earnest, but that doesn't make them "battlefield weapons" any more than the rice forks and well handles used by Okinawan peasants were.

There's a reason that the masses get long pointy things and the elite got armor and shorter pointy things for slaughtering their fellow man, and that reason is efficiency. Bit of metal with random ends and curves and hooks used to "trap an opponent's weapon!" are gimmicks that leave their wielders in shallow graves.
 
2013-02-13 11:19:50 PM
Isn't that TuBlaque from Voyager?
 
2013-02-13 11:21:36 PM

Therion: I expect that the Chinese silly weapons were on occasion "used in battle" by someone attempting to hit someone else in earnest, but that doesn't make them "battlefield weapons" any more than the rice forks and well handles used by Okinawan peasants were.

There's a reason that the masses get long pointy things and the elite got armor and shorter pointy things for slaughtering their fellow man, and that reason is efficiency. Bit of metal with random ends and curves and hooks used to "trap an opponent's weapon!" are gimmicks that leave their wielders in shallow graves.


www.toptenz.net

But... but.. dungeons and dragons taught me that the more esoteric looking a weapon is, the better it must be? Why use a pike when you can use a multibladed chainwhip?
 
2013-02-13 11:22:08 PM

m00: I wouldn't call it "esoteric" -- it's a traditional Chinese weapon, and found in a lot of Kung Fu offshoots. I'm not saying it's common, but they were actually used in battle. You can check wikipedia for "hook sword." But basically the hooks are used for trapping/disarming.



Yeah, I checked it out. Again, no references to it actually being used in battle, and only finding a comparatively recent origin for the weapon. It's not a weapon that lends itself to any sort of battlefield combat. Like the European "Duelling shield", used in judicial duels- it's an interesting curiosity, and techniques were developed to use it, but noone would use one in an actual combat situation on a battlefield over a more conventional and likely far lighter weapon.
 
2013-02-13 11:27:18 PM
Esoteric polearms have the advantage of range. A billhook in hand is really only useful for cutting brush, but put it on the end of a six or seven foot stick and it becomes a useful weapon.
 
2013-02-13 11:29:59 PM
Oh, and the implement in Fano's picture was used for capture, not killing.
 
2013-02-13 11:30:13 PM

m00: sanriosucks: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.


Ahh crap, you done went there. There is a time and a place for an "original series" vs. "tng" debate. If this is where you want to do, well, that's what's going to happen, but you have the chance now to just say the thread about the naked* black guy in Florida with a Klingon sword while drunk and in public isn't it.

*for dramatic effect

DS9 was the best of them.




Enterprise was the best. In paticular season 4
 
2013-02-13 11:36:35 PM

NephilimNexus: Big kudos to the journalist who didn't mislabel it as a "samurai sword" for once!

[imageshack.us image 800x800]


I was gonna say, how do they get the name for something like this right, but every gun is a Glock or AK47* ?


*(I think they've switched to AR15 now actually)
 
2013-02-13 11:36:54 PM

Therion: Esoteric polearms have the advantage of range. A billhook in hand is really only useful for cutting brush, but put it on the end of a six or seven foot stick and it becomes a useful weapon.


A billhook's hardly esoteric. Just another variation of blade-on-a-stick. Like the Lochabar axe, the Dane axe, the original halberd- not the prettied-up Papal guard thing. Loads of choppy-chop, but still plenty of point there for keeping someone at a distance.
 
m00
2013-02-13 11:37:14 PM

Therion: I expect that the Chinese silly weapons were on occasion "used in battle" by someone attempting to hit someone else in earnest, but that doesn't make them "battlefield weapons" any more than the rice forks and well handles used by Okinawan peasants were.

There's a reason that the masses get long pointy things and the elite got armor and shorter pointy things for slaughtering their fellow man, and that reason is efficiency. Bit of metal with random ends and curves and hooks used to "trap an opponent's weapon!" are gimmicks that leave their wielders in shallow graves.


I dunno. African tribes also had some pretty bizarre looking weapons, and I guarantee you that they were used in actual war against each other, and later the British. I just think most human warfare has been pretty ritualized throughout history, and martial weapons in general reflect that. Especially in cultures that had a warrior caste, where the soldiers were pretty much the elites. I just don't find it unreasonable that in the fictional world of Star Trek a Bat'leth exists as a traditional weapon that is used in combat.

No, your average peasant conscripted into service isn't going to get anything fancy -- and you are right, they are going to get the cheapest "wood + sharp thing" that can be made. But I don't see a parallel between that situation and Klingons.
 
2013-02-13 11:40:48 PM

Therion: Esoteric polearms have the advantage of range. A billhook in hand is really only useful for cutting brush, but put it on the end of a six or seven foot stick and it becomes a useful weapon.


Between the gladius and the pilum, the Roman Centurion was a model of efficiency. Most polearms make perfect sense to give to peasant levies, since they serve to keep opponents away with relatively little training. Most exotic weaponry that one sees in asian martial arts seems along the lines of gladiator weapons, stuff to make a fight look interesting.

Meanwhile, the shortest distance to a foe's heart is a straight line, and so successful hand weapons involved spears, swords, and knives.
 
2013-02-13 11:50:54 PM

Therion: Oh, and the implement in Fano's picture was used for capture, not killing.


Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.
 
2013-02-13 11:55:26 PM
Yup.
 
m00
2013-02-13 11:56:39 PM

Fano: At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.


"Wind and Fire wheels" are worse. Couldn't remember the name, so I looked it up.

www.kenfuderyu.co.za

Can you imagine one of those in each hand and trying not to cut yourself?
 
2013-02-13 11:57:25 PM
 
2013-02-13 11:58:30 PM

unchellmatt: I've always been of the opinion that a bat'leth wold be a perfect addition to a zombie preparedness arsenal. Great for close fighting, big pointy bits for jabbing in the head, and can be swing easily and effectively for decapitation.


Even though it has been somewhat overdiscussed in the rest of the thread, I am still disappoint that this wasn't shared:

art.penny-arcade.com
 
m00
2013-02-13 11:59:17 PM
Oooh... what about the "Heaven and Earth Moon Sword."

www.kenfuderyu.co.za

We can play a game of "What's the dumbest looking weapon on this page." I found a great site to laugh at while looking up the name of the wheels.

http://www.kenfuderyu.co.za/Chinese%20Martial%20Art%20Weapons.htm
 
2013-02-14 12:11:34 AM

m00: Oooh... what about the "Heaven and Earth Moon Sword."

[www.kenfuderyu.co.za image 325x193]

We can play a game of "What's the dumbest looking weapon on this page." I found a great site to laugh at while looking up the name of the wheels.

http://www.kenfuderyu.co.za/Chinese%20Martial%20Art%20Weapons.htm


See, that weapon makes more sense since there more room to hold it, and if you took the crescent blade doodads off it would look like a lethal version of a pugil stick. It's the last third of that page that has the crazy stupid shiat. The first two thirds looks pretty reasonable.

The wheels however fall into the category of "shiat that's just as dangerous to the wielder as to the enemy, unless you spent a lifetime training with it." That's a mark of a crappy weapon.
 
2013-02-14 12:11:46 AM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: over_and_done: I thought they were natural myself.

Er, wait, we're not talking about the same props, are we...

I was always suspicious of the perfect symmetry/same shape/no movement across every episode. Same with her hair.


You really need to study women's fashion more, bras back then were a lot stiffer, and costuming probably designed hers so she could run\jump in them.

/Speaking from experience, the best part of a bra is  mobility.
 
2013-02-14 12:15:38 AM
www.wired.com
 
2013-02-14 12:20:43 AM
M00, I was watching the first Nat Geo video on that page and laughing at the showy techniques for swordfighting. I realize what sort of stuff looks neat and what is effective, having fenced saber in college, and the back flips, twirls, and jumping strikes look like great ways to get killed.
 
2013-02-14 12:23:41 AM
In fact, the bat'leth is an incredibly shiatty weapon even by pre-gunpowder standards. It's clumsy, heavy and, because you need two hands to use it, it has almost no reach. You can go one handed to swing at your opponent, but that sends the other razor-sharp end directly at your own gut.
Sure, you could say the same about the cool two-bladed lightsaber in The Phantom Menace, but at least that could deflect lasers. The bat'leth can't even deflect the scorn your enemies will have for you for carrying the damn thing.

 
m00
2013-02-14 12:24:44 AM

Fano: M00, I was watching the first Nat Geo video on that page and laughing at the showy techniques for swordfighting. I realize what sort of stuff looks neat and what is effective, having fenced saber in college, and the back flips, twirls, and jumping strikes look like great ways to get killed.


I was watching it too. It made one VALID point (I think in part 4), that peasants weren't allowed to use weapons, and I guess the more ridiculous something looked the less likely it was to be taken seriously as a weapon. But then you are like "ah-ha, I've been training for a decade to kill you with this absurd looking thing."

It also called the "Wind and Fire Wheels" popular in the (song?) dynasty.
 
2013-02-14 12:29:24 AM
A man named Johnnie Blade is accused of "wildly swinging" a multiple-edged, four-foot long sword used by Klingon characters on the Star Trek TV series as he stood in the middle of a residential intersection.

Johnnie Blade? C'mon! his name can't be legit can it? what is he? a comic book superhero?
 
2013-02-14 12:35:12 AM

BuckTurgidson: [www.wired.com image 300x225]


I agree. If I do not have a lurpa (sp?) give me a m'akleth.

/Also, thank you so much Fark for this thread. You have helped me get through my father having a heart attack earlier today.
// He is not yet ready to join Sto'Vo Korr this day thankfully.
 
2013-02-14 12:39:18 AM

m00: Fano: M00, I was watching the first Nat Geo video on that page and laughing at the showy techniques for swordfighting. I realize what sort of stuff looks neat and what is effective, having fenced saber in college, and the back flips, twirls, and jumping strikes look like great ways to get killed.

I was watching it too. It made one VALID point (I think in part 4), that peasants weren't allowed to use weapons, and I guess the more ridiculous something looked the less likely it was to be taken seriously as a weapon. But then you are like "ah-ha, I've been training for a decade to kill you with this absurd looking thing."

It also called the "Wind and Fire Wheels" popular in the (song?) dynasty.


I presume that's the reasoning behind most ninja weapons or stuff like nunchuks. They were variants of agricultural implements so that peasants wouldn't get smited by their overlords for possession.

Sure, anything is lethal if you spend a lifetime studying it. I'm currently watching part 2-3 where they are talking about the 9 section whip. Again, a weapon that you are likely to hurt yourself with until you are a master.  But there was a reason that the crossbow and the early muskets supplanted the longbow. It's not that they were more effective, it was that using a longbow required a lifetime of practice. Easy enough to teach mooks rifle drills, by comparison.

I'm no ITG, so I can't go on eloquently about what the best weapons are, but I can't imagine that any battlefield anywhere resembled a giant kungfu fight. Granted, my education is mostly in western tactics, so my knowledge of what the east asians were up to comes from playing Dynasty Warriors.
 
2013-02-14 12:43:40 AM

Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.


Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

www.bigbadtoystore.com
 
2013-02-14 12:43:43 AM
But if you survive the lirpa, you have to fight with the ahn woon.  Freshly torn from the loins of vulcan slave boys.
 
2013-02-14 12:49:15 AM
Loaded Six String:

Of course hes ok... A warrior's path ends on the field of battle!

/seriously though hope everything goes alright for yall
 
2013-02-14 12:50:21 AM

Loaded Six String: BuckTurgidson: [www.wired.com image 300x225]

I agree. If I do not have a lurpa (sp?) give me a m'akleth.

/Also, thank you so much Fark for this thread. You have helped me get through my father having a heart attack earlier today.
// He is not yet ready to join Sto'Vo Korr this day thankfully.


May he live long, and prosper, my friend.
 
m00
2013-02-14 12:51:05 AM

Fano: but I can't imagine that any battlefield anywhere resembled a giant kungfu fight.


Yeah I'm not pretending to be an expert on any of this either. And I also imagine most eastern battlefields were peasant conscripts with spears. I just felt like the Bat'leth wasn't particularly "unrealistic"... when you consider that Klingons are supposed to be violent space monks obsessed about warrior rituals. That's the only point I was trying to make.
 
2013-02-14 12:53:49 AM

Skyrmion: Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.

Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 752x564]


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-14 12:54:05 AM

cynicalbastard: m00: cynicalbastard: As a guy who's made swords for a few decades, the bat'leth breaks my heart. It looks like a joke, not a weapon. There's a reason every sword-using culture has come to the basic idea of "grip at one end, sharp pointy bit going the other way". It's simple and it works.

[www.superiormartialarts.com image 330x550]

Yeah, about those- got any refs for their use in actual battle, as opposed to esoteric martial arts and various kung-fu movies?


This is getting a little absurd... First off, it's a scifi tv show, not a martial arts instruction video. The Bat'leth is not a real weapon. The cheap $50 Bat'leths you buy online are no more real weapons than the $50 Highlander katanas you get from fantasy catalogs. So banging a replica of a prop around in a battle and then making fun of its lack of durability as though you expected it to be a real sword is kinda silly.

And second, in the fictional TV universe of Star Trek, the Bat'leth is not meant to be an efficient killing weapon, because Klingons think killing people is fun and want to prolong the enjoyment. If a Klingon wanted to kill you quickly, he'd shoot you. They have ray guns, after all. Bat'leths are for toying with your opponent before you kill him, or ceremonial combat (that still involves someone dying).
 
2013-02-14 12:54:19 AM
Skyrmion

What the hell are those things?
 
2013-02-14 01:00:52 AM

sumrandumgai: Skyrmion

What the hell are those things?


It's a flintlock knife-and-fork set.

(It might be an image of a mock-up, but the originals are real.)
 
2013-02-14 01:03:33 AM
m00, the rope dart and the meteor hammer are high up on the useless scale. They look totally badass in the hands of some guy showing off, and somehow I imagine that an expert that trained for decades would get overwhelmed in any sort of fight. I mean, if 3 guys took the guy in the video on, he would maybe wing one guy in the head, trip a second guy, and the 3rd guy would hold up a stick and disable his weapon as it wrapped around it.

Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.
 
2013-02-14 01:06:58 AM

Shadow Blasko: [i183.photobucket.com image 705x530]

/Would like to shake the hand of the propsmaster that made that.

Gorgeous work.


It's actually a cake.
 
2013-02-14 01:24:04 AM
sounds like its full carry on planet klingon
 
2013-02-14 01:36:30 AM

sumrandumgai: Loaded Six String:

Of course hes ok... A warrior's path ends on the field of battle!

/seriously though hope everything goes alright for yall


It was not a good day to die.
 
2013-02-14 02:15:15 AM

Fano: Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.


You just reminded me, Game of Thrones had one of the best (realistic) sword fights I've ever seen, between that crazy biatch's knight and Tyrion's 'champion'. About 15-20 seconds in I turned to my wife and said "...and the guy in the armor is getting tired right about...now" and sure enough he started to flag. The merc went for a couple of arteries, stayed out of the other guys reach/peripheral and it was all over but the dyin'. Then he killed the guy, cuz hey, Game of Thrones.

/I think we all know the best duel ever goes to these guys:
ts4.mm.bing.net

//well really, this guy
image2.findagrave.com
...but I digress
 
2013-02-14 02:48:40 AM

Brainsick: Fano: Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.

You just reminded me, Game of Thrones had one of the best (realistic) sword fights I've ever seen, between that crazy biatch's knight and Tyrion's 'champion'. About 15-20 seconds in I turned to my wife and said "...and the guy in the armor is getting tired right about...now" and sure enough he started to flag. The merc went for a couple of arteries, stayed out of the other guys reach/peripheral and it was all over but the dyin'. Then he killed the guy, cuz hey, Game of Thrones.

/I think we all know the best duel ever goes to these guys:


A challenger appears!

www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-02-14 03:00:10 AM

fusillade762: Brainsick: Fano: Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.

You just reminded me, Game of Thrones had one of the best (realistic) sword fights I've ever seen, between that crazy biatch's knight and Tyrion's 'champion'. About 15-20 seconds in I turned to my wife and said "...and the guy in the armor is getting tired right about...now" and sure enough he started to flag. The merc went for a couple of arteries, stayed out of the other guys reach/peripheral and it was all over but the dyin'. Then he killed the guy, cuz hey, Game of Thrones.

/I think we all know the best duel ever goes to these guys:

A challenger appears!

[www.rankopedia.com image 397x373]


The Rob Roy duel is probably the most accurate ever put on film. A claymore vs. a rapier... leads to certain considerations.
 
2013-02-14 03:00:16 AM
I know it's just Hollywierd and it shouldn't pick me off. But seeing bad swords, bad swordplay, and massive anachronisms- i.e., in the Thirteenth Warrior, when characters are wearing Roman Gladiator armour AND Spanish 16th century armour, like the movie crew just looted the props storage, just tick me off.
Rob Roy kicked butt, though. And the real-life Rob Roy was actually beaten by a guy named Archie Cunningham, to boot.
 
2013-02-14 06:27:38 AM
shirtoid.com
 
2013-02-14 07:36:17 AM

Fano: Which is more impractical as a weapon, the Bat 'leth, or the Glaive from Krull?


theworstmovie.files.wordpress.com

How about a triple blade sword that launched the two side blades with compressed air?
 
2013-02-14 07:44:03 AM

BuckTurgidson: Skyrmion: Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.

Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 752x564]

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x644]


Knife-wrech! Practical AND safe.
 
2013-02-14 08:21:08 AM

cynicalbastard: I know it's just Hollywierd and it shouldn't pick me off. But seeing bad swords, bad swordplay, and massive anachronisms- i.e., in the Thirteenth Warrior, when characters are wearing Roman Gladiator armour AND Spanish 16th century armour, like the movie crew just looted the props storage, just tick me off.
Rob Roy kicked butt, though. And the real-life Rob Roy was actually beaten by a guy named Archie Cunningham, to boot.


I was more distracted by the fact that Antonio Banderas' character was supposed to be Arab.  That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.

/ surprisingly decent movie, though, inaccuracies aside.
 
2013-02-14 08:47:05 AM

Neondistraction: cynicalbastard: I know it's just Hollywierd and it shouldn't pick me off. But seeing bad swords, bad swordplay, and massive anachronisms- i.e., in the Thirteenth Warrior, when characters are wearing Roman Gladiator armour AND Spanish 16th century armour, like the movie crew just looted the props storage, just tick me off.
Rob Roy kicked butt, though. And the real-life Rob Roy was actually beaten by a guy named Archie Cunningham, to boot.

I was more distracted by the fact that Antonio Banderas' character was supposed to be Arab.  That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.

/ surprisingly decent movie, though, inaccuracies aside.


I wasn't too bothered by that. Given the statistics of the Moors in Southern Spain and the fact that he's from Malaga, it'd be odd if he didn't have a fair bit of Moorish blood in him.
 
2013-02-14 09:00:50 AM

belhade: Wanted for questioning:


Came for chumleigh, almost left disappointed.
 
m00
2013-02-14 09:06:45 AM

Neondistraction: That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.


www.austinchronicle.com
 
2013-02-14 09:25:15 AM

Neondistraction: I was more distracted by the fact that Antonio Banderas' character was supposed to be Arab. That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.

/ surprisingly decent movie, though, inaccuracies aside.


ecx.images-amazon.com

/not sure if serious...
//King Lear in the old west, basically
///better in the original Klingon
 
2013-02-14 09:29:37 AM

MythDragon: BuckTurgidson: Skyrmion: Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.

Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 752x564]

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x644]

Knife-wrech! Practical AND safe.


For KIDS!
 
2013-02-14 10:59:12 AM

Brainsick: //well really, this guy
[image2.findagrave.com image 250x150]
...but I digress


Indeed.  A master if ever there was one.  Worked on the LOTR fights as well, iirc.

RIP.
 
2013-02-14 12:42:58 PM

some_beer_drinker: did you not see spock's brain?


If you get to bring up "Spock's Brain", then I get to counter with "Sub Rosa"... Nothing on TOS, no matter how cheesy, comes close to that steaming pile of manure from TNG's seventh season...
 
2013-02-14 02:18:53 PM

RobSeace: some_beer_drinker: did you not see spock's brain?

If you get to bring up "Spock's Brain", then I get to counter with "Sub Rosa"... Nothing on TOS, no matter how cheesy, comes close to that steaming pile of manure from TNG's seventh season...


You know every time I see Sub Rosa mentioned I cant remember it, I look it up on Memory Alpha, read the synopsis, recoil in terror and my brain blue screens and then I wake 3 hours later in a ditch missing a  my wallet and pants. So KINDLY never mention it again.
 
2013-02-14 02:32:25 PM

onzmadi: RobSeace: some_beer_drinker: did you not see spock's brain?

If you get to bring up "Spock's Brain", then I get to counter with "Sub Rosa"... Nothing on TOS, no matter how cheesy, comes close to that steaming pile of manure from TNG's seventh season...

You know every time I see Sub Rosa mentioned I cant remember it, I look it up on Memory Alpha, read the synopsis, recoil in terror and my brain blue screens and then I wake 3 hours later in a ditch missing a  my wallet and pants. So KINDLY never mention it again.


Luckily it was only your wallet and pants. I finished Sub Rosa and I just blacked out. After I woke up in the hospital bed, I was told I was running around naked at the mall and sprinted into Yankee Candle. They said I was hysterical and said something about "I need to get rid of the ghosts!" while trying to destroy every candle there with my plastic phaser toy.
 
2013-02-14 02:57:09 PM
Friend of mine used his blade from Bleach to cut his birthday cake

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-14 03:16:31 PM
Inigo Montoya - not available for comment.
 
2013-02-14 03:46:07 PM

Fano: Which is more impractical as a weapon, the Bat 'leth, or the Glaive from Krull?


Well if you're going to assume you don't have magic controlling the Glaive, then I would say it is is easily more impractical. However, if the Glaive includes the magic powers associated with it, I think that propels it ahead of the Bat 'leth.

/love Krull
//love TNG
///love DS9 more than either of the above
 
2013-02-14 03:47:39 PM

whither_apophis: over_and_done: Random trivia:

the guy who played Kurn also played the adult Jake Sisko in the funky skip-forward-through-time episode.

That'd be the always awesome Tony Todd.


I believe his given name is The Candyman.
 
2013-02-14 03:54:00 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: m00: sanriosucks: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.


Ahh crap, you done went there. There is a time and a place for an "original series" vs. "tng" debate. If this is where you want to do, well, that's what's going to happen, but you have the chance now to just say the thread about the naked* black guy in Florida with a Klingon sword while drunk and in public isn't it.

*for dramatic effect

DS9 was the best of them.

Enterprise was the best. In paticular season 4


That statement must be trolling. But I do think Enterprise should get more credit for getting better as it went along and being pretty decent overall. It just takes a lot to get past the worst theme song in television history. If you can see with eyes unclouded by shiatty music, you can appreciate Enterprise.
 
2013-02-15 06:22:14 AM

Richard Sauce: It just takes a lot to get past the worst theme song in television history.


If this is the only reason not to like the show?  Meh.  Enterprise was just fine, honestly.  It- like many of the other spinoff series, suffered a bit in it's early seasons- trying to find it's feet.  But overall it was a good show.

Other than the theme song, I think the only other substantive complaint I've heard about it is the setting/era and the tech.  Then again I've never heard any better solutions to the matter.  Just how do you make Original Series tech look impressive in a day and age where we already have most of it, and it doesn't look half as ugly?  Most answers I've ever heard consisted mostly of "you make it look exactly like the stuff in the Original Series!".

Kinda silly.  Sometimes "movie magic" just can't account for zeitgeist dislocation like that.  Accept it and move along- it's really a minor nitpick.  Mostly I think the reason Enterprise suffered was because it was simply the latest in a long line of spinoffs, and people had just gotten bored with the "formula".  Hell, that's even something I can attest to.  I heard DS9 had gotten better, though I rarely had time to watch it.  By the time Voyager came around it felt like an effort to carve out time to watch episodes.  Same thing happened with Enterprise.  I said I wanted to see it, but never really got round to doing that.

Years later I watched it, and it felt about as good as any of the other series- and I thought it actually made a few good stabs at solving for some of the other incongruities in the Star Trek legendarium- particularly in season four.  Honestly I think people treated it a lot more harshly than it deserved.
 
2013-02-15 11:29:33 AM

SkunkWerks: Richard Sauce: It just takes a lot to get past the worst theme song in television history.

If this is the only reason not to like the show?  Meh.  Enterprise was just fine, honestly.  It- like many of the other spinoff series, suffered a bit in it's early seasons- trying to find it's feet.  But overall it was a good show.

Other than the theme song, I think the only other substantive complaint I've heard about it is the setting/era and the tech.  Then again I've never heard any better solutions to the matter.  Just how do you make Original Series tech look impressive in a day and age where we already have most of it, and it doesn't look half as ugly?  Most answers I've ever heard consisted mostly of "you make it look exactly like the stuff in the Original Series!".

Kinda silly.  Sometimes "movie magic" just can't account for zeitgeist dislocation like that.  Accept it and move along- it's really a minor nitpick.  Mostly I think the reason Enterprise suffered was because it was simply the latest in a long line of spinoffs, and people had just gotten bored with the "formula".  Hell, that's even something I can attest to.  I heard DS9 had gotten better, though I rarely had time to watch it.  By the time Voyager came around it felt like an effort to carve out time to watch episodes.  Same thing happened with Enterprise.  I said I wanted to see it, but never really got round to doing that.

Years later I watched it, and it felt about as good as any of the other series- and I thought it actually made a few good stabs at solving for some of the other incongruities in the Star Trek legendarium- particularly in season four.  Honestly I think people treated it a lot more harshly than it deserved.


Pretty much agree with your assessment. I do think DS9 is a cut above the other spinoffs, even TNG. The plot got rather intricate and engaging as the seasons went on, and they developed some excellent characters; more so than other series did, my personal favorite being Garak. I especially agree with you on Voyager, which I began watching after finishing TNG and DS9. It was often tedious to labor through those episodes to find the occasional solid one. Parris and Be'llana (sp?) were never compelling characters. Without The Doctor and Tuvok that show would have been abysmal; god do I hate Neelix.

I was never bothered by the tech incongruity in Enterprise. I think they did I good job trying to make the designs look retro compared to TOS, by giving the ship more of an old school naval look. That may have just been a token move, but it was enough to get the point across that we were dealing with a pre-TOS time period without it being a major distraction.
 
2013-02-15 06:07:19 PM

brigid_fitch: Friend of mine used his blade from Bleach to cut his birthday cake

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 376x431]


You know Pruitt Taylor Vince? Sweet!
 
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