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(Sun Sentinel)   Man arrested for waving around a sword in public that "is known to loyal Star Trek fans as traditional Klingon Bat 'leth or Sword of Honor." Q'apla, Kurn   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 141
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2013-02-14 12:29:24 AM
A man named Johnnie Blade is accused of "wildly swinging" a multiple-edged, four-foot long sword used by Klingon characters on the Star Trek TV series as he stood in the middle of a residential intersection.

Johnnie Blade? C'mon! his name can't be legit can it? what is he? a comic book superhero?
 
2013-02-14 12:35:12 AM

BuckTurgidson: [www.wired.com image 300x225]


I agree. If I do not have a lurpa (sp?) give me a m'akleth.

/Also, thank you so much Fark for this thread. You have helped me get through my father having a heart attack earlier today.
// He is not yet ready to join Sto'Vo Korr this day thankfully.
 
2013-02-14 12:39:18 AM

m00: Fano: M00, I was watching the first Nat Geo video on that page and laughing at the showy techniques for swordfighting. I realize what sort of stuff looks neat and what is effective, having fenced saber in college, and the back flips, twirls, and jumping strikes look like great ways to get killed.

I was watching it too. It made one VALID point (I think in part 4), that peasants weren't allowed to use weapons, and I guess the more ridiculous something looked the less likely it was to be taken seriously as a weapon. But then you are like "ah-ha, I've been training for a decade to kill you with this absurd looking thing."

It also called the "Wind and Fire Wheels" popular in the (song?) dynasty.


I presume that's the reasoning behind most ninja weapons or stuff like nunchuks. They were variants of agricultural implements so that peasants wouldn't get smited by their overlords for possession.

Sure, anything is lethal if you spend a lifetime studying it. I'm currently watching part 2-3 where they are talking about the 9 section whip. Again, a weapon that you are likely to hurt yourself with until you are a master.  But there was a reason that the crossbow and the early muskets supplanted the longbow. It's not that they were more effective, it was that using a longbow required a lifetime of practice. Easy enough to teach mooks rifle drills, by comparison.

I'm no ITG, so I can't go on eloquently about what the best weapons are, but I can't imagine that any battlefield anywhere resembled a giant kungfu fight. Granted, my education is mostly in western tactics, so my knowledge of what the east asians were up to comes from playing Dynasty Warriors.
 
2013-02-14 12:43:40 AM

Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.


Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

www.bigbadtoystore.com
 
2013-02-14 12:43:43 AM
But if you survive the lirpa, you have to fight with the ahn woon.  Freshly torn from the loins of vulcan slave boys.
 
2013-02-14 12:49:15 AM
Loaded Six String:

Of course hes ok... A warrior's path ends on the field of battle!

/seriously though hope everything goes alright for yall
 
2013-02-14 12:50:21 AM

Loaded Six String: BuckTurgidson: [www.wired.com image 300x225]

I agree. If I do not have a lurpa (sp?) give me a m'akleth.

/Also, thank you so much Fark for this thread. You have helped me get through my father having a heart attack earlier today.
// He is not yet ready to join Sto'Vo Korr this day thankfully.


May he live long, and prosper, my friend.
 
m00
2013-02-14 12:51:05 AM

Fano: but I can't imagine that any battlefield anywhere resembled a giant kungfu fight.


Yeah I'm not pretending to be an expert on any of this either. And I also imagine most eastern battlefields were peasant conscripts with spears. I just felt like the Bat'leth wasn't particularly "unrealistic"... when you consider that Klingons are supposed to be violent space monks obsessed about warrior rituals. That's the only point I was trying to make.
 
2013-02-14 12:53:49 AM

Skyrmion: Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.

Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 752x564]


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-14 12:54:05 AM

cynicalbastard: m00: cynicalbastard: As a guy who's made swords for a few decades, the bat'leth breaks my heart. It looks like a joke, not a weapon. There's a reason every sword-using culture has come to the basic idea of "grip at one end, sharp pointy bit going the other way". It's simple and it works.

[www.superiormartialarts.com image 330x550]

Yeah, about those- got any refs for their use in actual battle, as opposed to esoteric martial arts and various kung-fu movies?


This is getting a little absurd... First off, it's a scifi tv show, not a martial arts instruction video. The Bat'leth is not a real weapon. The cheap $50 Bat'leths you buy online are no more real weapons than the $50 Highlander katanas you get from fantasy catalogs. So banging a replica of a prop around in a battle and then making fun of its lack of durability as though you expected it to be a real sword is kinda silly.

And second, in the fictional TV universe of Star Trek, the Bat'leth is not meant to be an efficient killing weapon, because Klingons think killing people is fun and want to prolong the enjoyment. If a Klingon wanted to kill you quickly, he'd shoot you. They have ray guns, after all. Bat'leths are for toying with your opponent before you kill him, or ceremonial combat (that still involves someone dying).
 
2013-02-14 12:54:19 AM
Skyrmion

What the hell are those things?
 
2013-02-14 01:00:52 AM

sumrandumgai: Skyrmion

What the hell are those things?


It's a flintlock knife-and-fork set.

(It might be an image of a mock-up, but the originals are real.)
 
2013-02-14 01:03:33 AM
m00, the rope dart and the meteor hammer are high up on the useless scale. They look totally badass in the hands of some guy showing off, and somehow I imagine that an expert that trained for decades would get overwhelmed in any sort of fight. I mean, if 3 guys took the guy in the video on, he would maybe wing one guy in the head, trip a second guy, and the 3rd guy would hold up a stick and disable his weapon as it wrapped around it.

Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.
 
2013-02-14 01:06:58 AM

Shadow Blasko: [i183.photobucket.com image 705x530]

/Would like to shake the hand of the propsmaster that made that.

Gorgeous work.


It's actually a cake.
 
2013-02-14 01:24:04 AM
sounds like its full carry on planet klingon
 
2013-02-14 01:36:30 AM

sumrandumgai: Loaded Six String:

Of course hes ok... A warrior's path ends on the field of battle!

/seriously though hope everything goes alright for yall


It was not a good day to die.
 
2013-02-14 02:15:15 AM

Fano: Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.


You just reminded me, Game of Thrones had one of the best (realistic) sword fights I've ever seen, between that crazy biatch's knight and Tyrion's 'champion'. About 15-20 seconds in I turned to my wife and said "...and the guy in the armor is getting tired right about...now" and sure enough he started to flag. The merc went for a couple of arteries, stayed out of the other guys reach/peripheral and it was all over but the dyin'. Then he killed the guy, cuz hey, Game of Thrones.

/I think we all know the best duel ever goes to these guys:
ts4.mm.bing.net

//well really, this guy
image2.findagrave.com
...but I digress
 
2013-02-14 02:48:40 AM

Brainsick: Fano: Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.

You just reminded me, Game of Thrones had one of the best (realistic) sword fights I've ever seen, between that crazy biatch's knight and Tyrion's 'champion'. About 15-20 seconds in I turned to my wife and said "...and the guy in the armor is getting tired right about...now" and sure enough he started to flag. The merc went for a couple of arteries, stayed out of the other guys reach/peripheral and it was all over but the dyin'. Then he killed the guy, cuz hey, Game of Thrones.

/I think we all know the best duel ever goes to these guys:


A challenger appears!

www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-02-14 03:00:10 AM

fusillade762: Brainsick: Fano: Jeez, I'm starting to feel like an ass for picking on asian martial arts. Watching videos of katas and people doing choreographed fights makes me feel like I am naysaying weapons as much as saying rapiers are no good based on watching a bunch of videos of people Flynning, 1-2 style.

You just reminded me, Game of Thrones had one of the best (realistic) sword fights I've ever seen, between that crazy biatch's knight and Tyrion's 'champion'. About 15-20 seconds in I turned to my wife and said "...and the guy in the armor is getting tired right about...now" and sure enough he started to flag. The merc went for a couple of arteries, stayed out of the other guys reach/peripheral and it was all over but the dyin'. Then he killed the guy, cuz hey, Game of Thrones.

/I think we all know the best duel ever goes to these guys:

A challenger appears!

[www.rankopedia.com image 397x373]


The Rob Roy duel is probably the most accurate ever put on film. A claymore vs. a rapier... leads to certain considerations.
 
2013-02-14 03:00:16 AM
I know it's just Hollywierd and it shouldn't pick me off. But seeing bad swords, bad swordplay, and massive anachronisms- i.e., in the Thirteenth Warrior, when characters are wearing Roman Gladiator armour AND Spanish 16th century armour, like the movie crew just looted the props storage, just tick me off.
Rob Roy kicked butt, though. And the real-life Rob Roy was actually beaten by a guy named Archie Cunningham, to boot.
 
2013-02-14 06:27:38 AM
shirtoid.com
 
2013-02-14 07:36:17 AM

Fano: Which is more impractical as a weapon, the Bat 'leth, or the Glaive from Krull?


theworstmovie.files.wordpress.com

How about a triple blade sword that launched the two side blades with compressed air?
 
2013-02-14 07:44:03 AM

BuckTurgidson: Skyrmion: Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.

Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 752x564]

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x644]


Knife-wrech! Practical AND safe.
 
2013-02-14 08:21:08 AM

cynicalbastard: I know it's just Hollywierd and it shouldn't pick me off. But seeing bad swords, bad swordplay, and massive anachronisms- i.e., in the Thirteenth Warrior, when characters are wearing Roman Gladiator armour AND Spanish 16th century armour, like the movie crew just looted the props storage, just tick me off.
Rob Roy kicked butt, though. And the real-life Rob Roy was actually beaten by a guy named Archie Cunningham, to boot.


I was more distracted by the fact that Antonio Banderas' character was supposed to be Arab.  That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.

/ surprisingly decent movie, though, inaccuracies aside.
 
2013-02-14 08:47:05 AM

Neondistraction: cynicalbastard: I know it's just Hollywierd and it shouldn't pick me off. But seeing bad swords, bad swordplay, and massive anachronisms- i.e., in the Thirteenth Warrior, when characters are wearing Roman Gladiator armour AND Spanish 16th century armour, like the movie crew just looted the props storage, just tick me off.
Rob Roy kicked butt, though. And the real-life Rob Roy was actually beaten by a guy named Archie Cunningham, to boot.

I was more distracted by the fact that Antonio Banderas' character was supposed to be Arab.  That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.

/ surprisingly decent movie, though, inaccuracies aside.


I wasn't too bothered by that. Given the statistics of the Moors in Southern Spain and the fact that he's from Malaga, it'd be odd if he didn't have a fair bit of Moorish blood in him.
 
2013-02-14 09:00:50 AM

belhade: Wanted for questioning:


Came for chumleigh, almost left disappointed.
 
m00
2013-02-14 09:06:45 AM

Neondistraction: That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.


www.austinchronicle.com
 
2013-02-14 09:25:15 AM

Neondistraction: I was more distracted by the fact that Antonio Banderas' character was supposed to be Arab. That was about as believable as Patrick Stewart playing a cowboy.

/ surprisingly decent movie, though, inaccuracies aside.


ecx.images-amazon.com

/not sure if serious...
//King Lear in the old west, basically
///better in the original Klingon
 
2013-02-14 09:29:37 AM

MythDragon: BuckTurgidson: Skyrmion: Fano: Yes, that's a mancatcher, and was the most unusual standard weapon I could think of from AD&D. I'm now trying to think of weird Indian weapons like the urumi or scissor katars. At any rate, a Bat' leth seems to me the least efficient weapon a person could possibly design outside of the weird shiat used in the Soulcaliber series.

Well, nunchucks could give them a run for their money. At least a Bat'leth is heavy and pointy and metal.

And then there's always:

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 752x564]

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x644]

Knife-wrech! Practical AND safe.


For KIDS!
 
2013-02-14 10:59:12 AM

Brainsick: //well really, this guy
[image2.findagrave.com image 250x150]
...but I digress


Indeed.  A master if ever there was one.  Worked on the LOTR fights as well, iirc.

RIP.
 
2013-02-14 12:42:58 PM

some_beer_drinker: did you not see spock's brain?


If you get to bring up "Spock's Brain", then I get to counter with "Sub Rosa"... Nothing on TOS, no matter how cheesy, comes close to that steaming pile of manure from TNG's seventh season...
 
2013-02-14 02:18:53 PM

RobSeace: some_beer_drinker: did you not see spock's brain?

If you get to bring up "Spock's Brain", then I get to counter with "Sub Rosa"... Nothing on TOS, no matter how cheesy, comes close to that steaming pile of manure from TNG's seventh season...


You know every time I see Sub Rosa mentioned I cant remember it, I look it up on Memory Alpha, read the synopsis, recoil in terror and my brain blue screens and then I wake 3 hours later in a ditch missing a  my wallet and pants. So KINDLY never mention it again.
 
2013-02-14 02:32:25 PM

onzmadi: RobSeace: some_beer_drinker: did you not see spock's brain?

If you get to bring up "Spock's Brain", then I get to counter with "Sub Rosa"... Nothing on TOS, no matter how cheesy, comes close to that steaming pile of manure from TNG's seventh season...

You know every time I see Sub Rosa mentioned I cant remember it, I look it up on Memory Alpha, read the synopsis, recoil in terror and my brain blue screens and then I wake 3 hours later in a ditch missing a  my wallet and pants. So KINDLY never mention it again.


Luckily it was only your wallet and pants. I finished Sub Rosa and I just blacked out. After I woke up in the hospital bed, I was told I was running around naked at the mall and sprinted into Yankee Candle. They said I was hysterical and said something about "I need to get rid of the ghosts!" while trying to destroy every candle there with my plastic phaser toy.
 
2013-02-14 02:57:09 PM
Friend of mine used his blade from Bleach to cut his birthday cake

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-14 03:16:31 PM
Inigo Montoya - not available for comment.
 
2013-02-14 03:46:07 PM

Fano: Which is more impractical as a weapon, the Bat 'leth, or the Glaive from Krull?


Well if you're going to assume you don't have magic controlling the Glaive, then I would say it is is easily more impractical. However, if the Glaive includes the magic powers associated with it, I think that propels it ahead of the Bat 'leth.

/love Krull
//love TNG
///love DS9 more than either of the above
 
2013-02-14 03:47:39 PM

whither_apophis: over_and_done: Random trivia:

the guy who played Kurn also played the adult Jake Sisko in the funky skip-forward-through-time episode.

That'd be the always awesome Tony Todd.


I believe his given name is The Candyman.
 
2013-02-14 03:54:00 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: m00: sanriosucks: Feral_and_Preposterous: Known to "loyal Star Trek fans" my ass. No loyal Star Trek fan ever watched The Next Generation just like no loyal Star Wars fan ever watched the crapfest that was Episodes I-III.

/Not a loyal fan so--I did get to see ol' cow-patty head playing with his goofy crescent sword.


Ahh crap, you done went there. There is a time and a place for an "original series" vs. "tng" debate. If this is where you want to do, well, that's what's going to happen, but you have the chance now to just say the thread about the naked* black guy in Florida with a Klingon sword while drunk and in public isn't it.

*for dramatic effect

DS9 was the best of them.

Enterprise was the best. In paticular season 4


That statement must be trolling. But I do think Enterprise should get more credit for getting better as it went along and being pretty decent overall. It just takes a lot to get past the worst theme song in television history. If you can see with eyes unclouded by shiatty music, you can appreciate Enterprise.
 
2013-02-15 06:22:14 AM

Richard Sauce: It just takes a lot to get past the worst theme song in television history.


If this is the only reason not to like the show?  Meh.  Enterprise was just fine, honestly.  It- like many of the other spinoff series, suffered a bit in it's early seasons- trying to find it's feet.  But overall it was a good show.

Other than the theme song, I think the only other substantive complaint I've heard about it is the setting/era and the tech.  Then again I've never heard any better solutions to the matter.  Just how do you make Original Series tech look impressive in a day and age where we already have most of it, and it doesn't look half as ugly?  Most answers I've ever heard consisted mostly of "you make it look exactly like the stuff in the Original Series!".

Kinda silly.  Sometimes "movie magic" just can't account for zeitgeist dislocation like that.  Accept it and move along- it's really a minor nitpick.  Mostly I think the reason Enterprise suffered was because it was simply the latest in a long line of spinoffs, and people had just gotten bored with the "formula".  Hell, that's even something I can attest to.  I heard DS9 had gotten better, though I rarely had time to watch it.  By the time Voyager came around it felt like an effort to carve out time to watch episodes.  Same thing happened with Enterprise.  I said I wanted to see it, but never really got round to doing that.

Years later I watched it, and it felt about as good as any of the other series- and I thought it actually made a few good stabs at solving for some of the other incongruities in the Star Trek legendarium- particularly in season four.  Honestly I think people treated it a lot more harshly than it deserved.
 
2013-02-15 11:29:33 AM

SkunkWerks: Richard Sauce: It just takes a lot to get past the worst theme song in television history.

If this is the only reason not to like the show?  Meh.  Enterprise was just fine, honestly.  It- like many of the other spinoff series, suffered a bit in it's early seasons- trying to find it's feet.  But overall it was a good show.

Other than the theme song, I think the only other substantive complaint I've heard about it is the setting/era and the tech.  Then again I've never heard any better solutions to the matter.  Just how do you make Original Series tech look impressive in a day and age where we already have most of it, and it doesn't look half as ugly?  Most answers I've ever heard consisted mostly of "you make it look exactly like the stuff in the Original Series!".

Kinda silly.  Sometimes "movie magic" just can't account for zeitgeist dislocation like that.  Accept it and move along- it's really a minor nitpick.  Mostly I think the reason Enterprise suffered was because it was simply the latest in a long line of spinoffs, and people had just gotten bored with the "formula".  Hell, that's even something I can attest to.  I heard DS9 had gotten better, though I rarely had time to watch it.  By the time Voyager came around it felt like an effort to carve out time to watch episodes.  Same thing happened with Enterprise.  I said I wanted to see it, but never really got round to doing that.

Years later I watched it, and it felt about as good as any of the other series- and I thought it actually made a few good stabs at solving for some of the other incongruities in the Star Trek legendarium- particularly in season four.  Honestly I think people treated it a lot more harshly than it deserved.


Pretty much agree with your assessment. I do think DS9 is a cut above the other spinoffs, even TNG. The plot got rather intricate and engaging as the seasons went on, and they developed some excellent characters; more so than other series did, my personal favorite being Garak. I especially agree with you on Voyager, which I began watching after finishing TNG and DS9. It was often tedious to labor through those episodes to find the occasional solid one. Parris and Be'llana (sp?) were never compelling characters. Without The Doctor and Tuvok that show would have been abysmal; god do I hate Neelix.

I was never bothered by the tech incongruity in Enterprise. I think they did I good job trying to make the designs look retro compared to TOS, by giving the ship more of an old school naval look. That may have just been a token move, but it was enough to get the point across that we were dealing with a pre-TOS time period without it being a major distraction.
 
2013-02-15 06:07:19 PM

brigid_fitch: Friend of mine used his blade from Bleach to cut his birthday cake

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 376x431]


You know Pruitt Taylor Vince? Sweet!
 
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