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(AL.com)   CEO of Carnival Cruise lines, who is also managing partner of Miami Heat, was spotted watching a Heat game. Apparently this is frowned upon by some people who apparently expect him to be directing a tow boat operations of distressed cruise ship   (blog.al.com) divider line 161
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2013-02-13 05:23:22 PM  
He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.
 
2013-02-13 06:24:12 PM  

davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.


The CEO of Carnival is Jack Lalane?
 
2013-02-13 06:28:22 PM  
He gave up giving a sh*t for Lent
 
2013-02-13 06:31:18 PM  
Gives 'Poop Deck' a whole new meaning.
 
2013-02-13 06:32:23 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 06:43:35 PM  
If you can't handle the Heat stay out of the galley?
 
2013-02-13 06:46:45 PM  
He just wants his life back, is all.
 
2013-02-13 06:47:38 PM  
I hear Jeff Immelt spends every Thursday cleaning up GE superfund sites
 
2013-02-13 06:47:42 PM  
biatches getting truculent
 
2013-02-13 06:47:59 PM  
In his defense he did stand up and lead a rousing rendition of Row Row Row Your Boat.
 
2013-02-13 06:48:21 PM  
Juxtapose jpgs of Obama in Hawaii/Hurricane Sandy homeless.
 
2013-02-13 06:48:30 PM  
Torpedo the ship.
 
2013-02-13 06:48:33 PM  
Only 'cause the disabled toilet for 4,200 is named the TriumphBenghazi.
 
2013-02-13 06:49:08 PM  
Not to worry. The ingrates on the boat get a $500 certificate for their next Carnival poop deck cruise to Alabama
 
2013-02-13 06:49:13 PM  

davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.


Or he should be directing a review of maintenance logs and ship procedures to try to prevent future epic clusterfarks.
 
2013-02-13 06:50:22 PM  
cruiselinehistory.com
 
2013-02-13 06:50:48 PM  

BitwiseShift: Only 'cause the disabled toilet for 4,200 is named the TriumphBenghazi.


Stfu biatch politics tab is elsewhere.
 
2013-02-13 06:52:44 PM  
Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this
 
2013-02-13 06:53:32 PM  
Something something Cuban boat people something something.

dnrtfa
 
2013-02-13 06:53:58 PM  
He can watch his farking game, he'd just better do his business in a plastic bag.
skreened.com
 
2013-02-13 06:54:14 PM  
I'm too lazy to look up/find a pic, but this reminds of me of the BP guy who went sailing...
 
2013-02-13 06:54:26 PM  
I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.
 
2013-02-13 06:58:11 PM  

rengav: I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.


It makes me wonder if Carnival is going to allow the "Goth Cruise" again due to lost passenger revenue from this incident.
 
2013-02-13 06:58:43 PM  
My wife works with a woman who was on that ship the cruise before. Apparently there was an engine problem and they limped into port half a day late. We were on that ship back in September and had a good time. It was dated looking, but we didn't have any problems.
 
2013-02-13 06:58:52 PM  
So i'm reading the comments and one in particular stood out.

If things are so bad aboard ship why hasn't the President sent the Coast Guard to evacuate the passangers. Oh!! wait since Obama sold the Coast guard to BP for a $100,000.00 it is now the responsibility of BPs CO to take care of that.

Huh?

Did I miss something or is this just the usual crazy we've come to expect from the right?
 
2013-02-13 06:59:42 PM  

Alex Broughton Butt Chugger: BitwiseShift: Only 'cause the disabled toilet for 4,200 is named the TriumphBenghazi.

Stfu biatch politics tab is elsewhere.


Holy shiat has LAPD Batman made everyone on Fark just a bunch of tough mother farkers.
 
2013-02-13 07:00:57 PM  
getting agitated about this is entirely illogical.

its also entirely predictable. shoulda kept yer head down till it was back in port dude. missing 1 game wont kill ya.
 
2013-02-13 07:01:37 PM  

MFAWG: Or he should be directing a review of maintenance logs and ship procedures to try to prevent future epic clusterfarks.


*sniffle

It's hard being you isn't it :(
 
2013-02-13 07:02:42 PM  
While I don't think there is anything he could personally do at the exact moment to help, you would think that a company with that many cruise ships would have a better plan of action for situations like this.
 
2013-02-13 07:02:58 PM  
Amazingly, the facebook comments for that ship aren't being trolled... that, or they're vigilantly deleting them.

http://www.carnival.com/cruise-ships/carnival-triumph.aspx
 
2013-02-13 07:03:50 PM  

Gilligann: So i'm reading the comments and one in particular stood out.

If things are so bad aboard ship why hasn't the President sent the Coast Guard to evacuate the passangers. Oh!! wait since Obama sold the Coast guard to BP for a $100,000.00 it is now the responsibility of BPs CO to take care of that.

Huh?

Did I miss something or is this just the usual crazy we've come to expect from the right?


A persual of the usual conspiracy sites didn't find that exact brand of crazy.  But I did find an article where the Coast Guard was allegedly working hand-in-hand with BP to keep journalists away from Deepwater Horizon, so maybe at was an attempt at clever shorthand that sounded more like a fat pile of stupid.
 
2013-02-13 07:05:47 PM  
Ooh, Ned Stark and bel4sucks are here now, too .   Massive E-peens are gonna be pissing all over this thread!
 
2013-02-13 07:06:36 PM  
I dunno, I think it's kind of bad form to be out enjoying yourself while one of your ships is floating around the ocean and there's a media shiatstorm about it. Dude should have stayed home.
 
2013-02-13 07:07:31 PM  
Does the CEO own a Tundra?

i212.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 07:08:40 PM  
as if his responsibility as CEO would go beyond a media-friendly soundbyte and potentially ordering a refund.

that's akin to expecting the CEO of say, johnson & johnson to personally handle shipping logistics during a product recall.

i'm sure he'd get a phone call at the game if the boat sank.
 
2013-02-13 07:08:41 PM  
They should have nuclear power engines.
 
2013-02-13 07:08:59 PM  
CEO's are business people.  You expect them to handle operations?

Do you want the CEO of Delta flying your plane?
 
2013-02-13 07:10:56 PM  
Come drift with us. Wherever we land there you are.
 
2013-02-13 07:11:06 PM  

BalugaJoe: They should have nuclear power engines.


Been done. Didn't work out.

i212.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-13 07:11:38 PM  
LeBron left Cleveland to take his talents to this guy?

/Hope LeBron has his own physician/sports-medicine staff.
//That's a nice Championship NBA team you got there, would be a shame if a knee blew out and left you adrift.
 
2013-02-13 07:11:59 PM  
and in my opinion, going on a cruise as a vacation is the equivalent of calling eating at applebee's "fine dining."

you get what you pay for.
 
2013-02-13 07:12:21 PM  
For a PR aspect you should be lying low, or ideally down at Alabama to personally ensure the passengers are taken care of when you land.  Of course in reality the drones will do the work and you'll just sit in the nicest hotel suite and booze.
 
2013-02-13 07:12:42 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I dunno, I think it's kind of bad form to be out enjoying yourself while one of your ships is floating around the ocean and there's a media shiatstorm about it. Dude should have stayed home.


Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.
 
2013-02-13 07:13:04 PM  

BSABSVR: Ooh, Ned Stark and bel4sucks are here now, too .   Massive E-peens are gonna be pissing all over this thread!


Uh who are you supposed to be?
 
2013-02-13 07:14:53 PM  

basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this


SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.
 
2013-02-13 07:15:35 PM  
It seems like some people go from "a personal visit would be a nice gesture" to "his physical absence is an outrage!" in a nanosecond.

If only we could somehow harvest Outrage and use it to drive turbines... we could tell the Middle East to fark off, forever.
 
2013-02-13 07:16:30 PM  
The headline from the Daily Mail article:

Boss of Carnival cruise ship adds insult to misery by going to basketball game as 4,000 suffer aboard 'stinking stricken ship' with urine-soaked carpets and sewage in cabins

Since when did the Mail start bagging on rich people? I thought they reserved their outrage for welfare queens and the Nanny State?
 
2013-02-13 07:17:17 PM  

rengav: I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.


They had a fire, I'm sure it was started just to make those people miserable. Sounds like you would make a fine lawyer.
 
2013-02-13 07:18:31 PM  

robohobo: Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.


If there was a crippled aircraft carrier floating around the Pacific, you wouldn't see Obama or any other president going to a sporting event. Not that they're capable of doing anything to resolve the situation, but it's still bad juju to be out like that during a crisis.
 
2013-02-13 07:19:28 PM  
Now, watch this drive
 
2013-02-13 07:20:08 PM  
In other news, people are morans.
 
2013-02-13 07:21:50 PM  
3000+ people leaving bags of poop outside their room. That is totally unacceptable.  How is possible that's their Plan F, much less Plan B?

So yeah, I think he should go ahead and miss a game or two until these customers can at least poop in a toilet.   Then he can have his life back.1.bp.blogspot.com
/link is hotter than that bag
 
2013-02-13 07:22:50 PM  

FriarReb98: davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.

The CEO of Carnival is Jack Lalane?


came here to ask that. what the f*ck are people expecting him to do?

www.rodneyohebsion.com
 
2013-02-13 07:23:39 PM  
Okay, poop deck is coming out!

/Got nuthin'.
 
2013-02-13 07:23:40 PM  

Captain Struggle: and in my opinion, going on a cruise as a vacation is the equivalent of calling eating at applebee's "fine dining."

you get what you pay for.


depends which cruise you take, i think....
 
2013-02-13 07:24:04 PM  

TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.


For me, I only felt crowded on the boat on days at sea.  As long as you avoid the elevators, there's no reason to really feel *that* cramped.

Yeah, some of the ports suck(A lot of them, actually), but you can always chill on the boat and watch the hot croatian pool activities director teach line dancing classes and shaking her ass all over the 12th deck for half hour at a time.

/helps I didn't have to pay for the one I went on
//renting a big house is way more fun
 
2013-02-13 07:24:29 PM  
If I was on that cruise, and Carnival offered to make it up to me with a free cruise, I'd say sure, any line but Carnival.
 
2013-02-13 07:24:41 PM  

bel4sucks: BSABSVR: Ooh, Ned Stark and bel4sucks are here now, too .   Massive E-peens are gonna be pissing all over this thread!

Uh who are you supposed to be?


I think you have an admirer.
 
2013-02-13 07:25:09 PM  

davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.


With the rope held between his teeth....
 
2013-02-13 07:27:54 PM  
Did he have his cell phone with him?
 
2013-02-13 07:27:57 PM  
Let them eat cake. Stale, moldy cake.
 
2013-02-13 07:29:08 PM  

rengav: I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.


Unlikely. The back of a cruise line ticket basically says that you have to sue them under something like Namibian law in some gator-infested Florida hellhole. And then your damages are limited to some ridiculously tiny sum.
 
2013-02-13 07:29:26 PM  
They should charge the passengers for the tow costs and the extra nights onboard.
 
2013-02-13 07:30:58 PM  
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2013-02-13 07:31:24 PM  

TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.


I swear that the only people who keep telling me that cruises are great are people who are trying to convince themselves that they didn't waste thousands of dollars to be locked in a floating mall for a week.
 
2013-02-13 07:34:04 PM  
Technically speaking, there is nothing the CEO can do that is not already being done.  The ship is being rescued, and passengers will be refunded.

However, this guy fails at PR/Optics 101 - as do most CEOs.  when a crisis like this occurs, you need to at least LOOK like you're at the front line, solving the crisis.
 
2013-02-13 07:34:32 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: robohobo: Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.

If there was a crippled aircraft carrier floating around the Pacific, you wouldn't see Obama or any other president going to a sporting event. Not that they're capable of doing anything to resolve the situation, but it's still bad juju to be out like that during a crisis.


There are also ALWAYS shiatstorms for the President.  We are the USA, that's what we do.

However, when you are a CEO of a cruise line, the only time this matters to you is the rare case when it IS your image on the line.  Skip a week or two of fun and earn your millions of dollars by pretending to care for a moment.
 
2013-02-13 07:34:39 PM  

Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...



Changed to read refunding the survivors' money, so we know how this will end.
 
2013-02-13 07:35:09 PM  

harryasaboy: 3000+ people leaving bags of poop outside their room. That is totally unacceptable.  How is possible that's their Plan F, much less Plan B?

So yeah, I think he should go ahead and miss a game or two until these customers can at least poop in a toilet.   Then he can have his life back.
/link is hotter than that bag


Oh the horror! A small orange bag sitting on clean carpeting outside a door. Truly, the shiattiest conditions imaginable.
 
2013-02-13 07:36:33 PM  
Why don't they just go off the side of the boat? Sure it's environmentally bad, but the environment on that boat can't be too pleasant.
 
2013-02-13 07:38:16 PM  
All the CEO does is get on the phone to his board of directors and say: "Yo assholes, if still want that 7 digit Christmas bonus, go get that farking boat"

He doesn't do peasant work.
 
2013-02-13 07:42:26 PM  

Gilligann: So i'm reading the comments and one in particular stood out.

If things are so bad aboard ship why hasn't the President sent the Coast Guard to evacuate the passangers. Oh!! wait since Obama sold the Coast guard to BP for a $100,000.00 it is now the responsibility of BPs CO to take care of that.

Huh?

Did I miss something or is this just the usual crazy we've come to expect from the right?


Well, I can give a good reason why the Coast Guard dosn't need to help.

Does the cruise company pay US taxes/vessel registration?
 
2013-02-13 07:43:24 PM  

ladyfortuna: I'm too lazy to look up/find a pic, but this reminds of me of the BP guy who went sailing...


I don't care if the Carnival guy goes to a basketball game. Although a thousand vacations were ruined, nobody is any real danger. Sucks to be them, but it's a first-world problem.

BP was a multi-billion-dollar-disaster with a huge ramifications throughout the entire gulf.
 
2013-02-13 07:44:27 PM  
He hired LeBron James?  Burn the witch!
 
2013-02-13 07:44:48 PM  
The CEO should at least furrow his brow in faux concern!
 
2013-02-13 07:45:16 PM  

calbert: FriarReb98: davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.

The CEO of Carnival is Jack Lalane?

came here to ask that. what the f*ck are people expecting him to do?

[www.rodneyohebsion.com image 640x425]


He's supposed to go on the media and admit all blame, then not do anything to entertain himself until all the lawsuits have been settled.

It might help if he self-flagellants himself a few times also.

s18.postimage.org
 
2013-02-13 07:47:40 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Juxtapose jpgs of Obama in Hawaii/Hurricane Sandy homeless.


Still butt hurt because the loser you backed, lost? :D  Next thing you'll tell me is you're a Gators fan.
 
2013-02-13 07:52:45 PM  

MFAWG: davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.

Or he should be directing a review of maintenance logs and ship procedures to try to prevent future epic clusterfarks.


He personally should, or the experts he's hired to take care of those types of things for his $16 billion business should?
 
2013-02-13 07:56:40 PM  

Captain Struggle: as if his responsibility as CEO would go beyond a media-friendly soundbyte and potentially ordering a refund.

that's akin to expecting the CEO of say, johnson & johnson to personally handle shipping logistics during a product recall.

i'm sure he'd get a phone call at the game if the boat sank.


Dude, that's what voice mail is for. There's a game on!
 
2013-02-13 08:01:05 PM  

Jacobin: Not to worry. The ingrates on the boat get a $500 certificate for their next Carnival poop deck cruise to Alabama


Which is what? One Miami Heat playoff ticket that will cost him absolutely nothing more than ink and paper?
 
2013-02-13 08:05:31 PM  

jjwars1: Oh the horror! A small orange bag sitting on clean carpeting outside a door. Truly, the shiattiest conditions imaginable.


2/10
 
2013-02-13 08:08:44 PM  

Scruffinator: TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.

For me, I only felt crowded on the boat on days at sea.  As long as you avoid the elevators, there's no reason to really feel *that* cramped.

Yeah, some of the ports suck(A lot of them, actually), but you can always chill on the boat and watch the hot croatian pool activities director teach line dancing classes and shaking her ass all over the 12th deck for half hour at a time.

/helps I didn't have to pay for the one I went on
//renting a big house is way more fun


Yeah, you've failed to convince me.  Probably yourself as well.
 
GBB
2013-02-13 08:14:11 PM  

brap: If you can't handle the Heat stay out of the galley Engine Room?


FTFY
 
2013-02-13 08:15:55 PM  
This is worse than that episode where it was revealed that Dr. Bricker was actually a Nazi Concentration Camp Doctor who swapped the heads of the Landers sisters with Isaac's and Gopher's. It really put me off the George "Goober" Lindsay/Tova Borgnine subplot.
 
2013-02-13 08:16:28 PM  
If it was a Japanese company, and a lot of people died, he would probably be expected to commit seppuku. In the US or EU? At worst a golden $10M handshake, and assurance of no bad references for future empoyment elsewhere. OH, and he keeps all his various board of director appointments..
 
2013-02-13 08:19:44 PM  

Captain Struggle: and in my opinion, going on a cruise as a vacation is the equivalent of calling eating at applebee's "fine dining."

you get what you pay for.


BAH ha ha ha ha.. ah.. damn!  "Applebee's"..

suh-NAP!
 
2013-02-13 08:21:36 PM  

bel4sucks: BSABSVR: Ooh, Ned Stark and bel4sucks are here now, too .   Massive E-peens are gonna be pissing all over this thread!

Uh who are you supposed to be?


wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-02-13 08:26:15 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: robohobo: Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.

If there was a crippled aircraft carrier floating around the Pacific, you wouldn't see Obama or any other president going to a sporting event. Not that they're capable of doing anything to resolve the situation, but it's still bad juju to be out like that during a crisis.


Try again.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/11/navy-carrier-bush-suffers-wide sp read-toilet-outages-111411w/
 
2013-02-13 08:30:17 PM  
And now they are about to get slapped by rainstorms.

No AC

I'm thinking Turkish prison with a starbucks.
 
2013-02-13 08:31:30 PM  
It would have been more awesome if he was on his personal yacht watching the heat game next to the cruise ship  .
 
2013-02-13 08:31:55 PM  

FriarReb98: davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.

The CEO of Carnival is Jack Lalane?


no  he is aquaman.
 
2013-02-13 08:32:21 PM  

Gilligann: So i'm reading the comments and one in particular stood out.

If things are so bad aboard ship why hasn't the President sent the Coast Guard to evacuate the passangers. Oh!! wait since Obama sold the Coast guard to BP for a $100,000.00 it is now the responsibility of BPs CO to take care of that.

Huh?

Did I miss something or is this just the usual crazy we've come to expect from the right?


I dunno, but $100k sounds like a screaming deal for an entire coast guard. Cutters & helicopters for a price like that. If I'd had known, I try to find a way of throwing my hat into that ring.
 
2013-02-13 08:32:21 PM  
can't help but feel sorry for that crew that had poop duty... aka 'poop doody'

/went on a cruise that ended in NYC - that was a great view.
//yes, even had a functioning toilet
 
2013-02-13 08:39:05 PM  

fusillade762: The headline from the Daily Mail article:

Boss of Carnival cruise ship adds insult to misery by going to basketball game as 4,000 suffer aboard 'stinking stricken ship' with urine-soaked carpets and sewage in cabins

Since when did the Mail start bagging on rich people? I thought they reserved their outrage for welfare queens and the Nanny State?


The Mail is a gutter press tabloid. Its staple is outrage and reactionary stories, just like any other tabloid. It's just aimed at a slightly higher class than the likes of the Sun.

The Mail Online is also one of the most-visited online "news" sites in the world. So, great jerb Drew for passing all that traffic to it.

/I was inspired to watch this, again, however. Graham Linehan (Father Ted, IT Crowd, Big Train et al.) ranting about the Daily Heil, their sidebar of shame, and their keywords of "all grown up" to indicate that a hot loli is legal.
//Go to the Fail's website, and search for "all grown up", you'll see exactly what he means.
 
2013-02-13 08:39:12 PM  

rengav: I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.


They're going to get nothing. There's a reason you can't find a cruise ship that sails under an American flag people will have to go to Malta, Morocco or Senegal to sue.
 
2013-02-13 08:41:14 PM  
Just wants to get his life back.
 
2013-02-13 08:41:24 PM  
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Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em poop in bags.
 
2013-02-13 08:41:40 PM  
A better CEO would have found a way to drop Bengal Tigers onto the ship and charge each passenger's credit card an extra $1,000 for the "'Life of Pi' Experience"
 
2013-02-13 08:42:31 PM  
I read somewhere that he was seen smiling and laughing too. Does the man feel no empathy??
 
2013-02-13 08:50:40 PM  
To be fair almost half of the passengers are Houston area Mcdonalds workers. If you've ever been to a Houston area Mcdonalds you know this is just karma.
 
2013-02-13 09:00:45 PM  
iron de havilland:
The Mail Online is also one of the most-visited online news sites in the world.*


"This paper contains facts. And this paper has the eighth highest circulation in the whole wide world. Right? Plenty of facts. "Pregnant man gives birth." That's a fact."


*this quote may have been intentionally misconstrued to benefit Dr. Tinyfist's (esq.) desire to quote some random movie he finds enjoyable. Any resemblance to an actual quote is merely fictional or unintended.
 
2013-02-13 09:03:09 PM  
duh, he should be personally piloting the tug boat with his massive balls
 
2013-02-13 09:03:10 PM  
Micky Arison (the Heat's owner and CEO of Carnival) is the son of the founder of Carnival Cruise Lines.  He's worth $5.9 billion according to Forbes, which makes him the 169th wealthiest person in the world.  I don't think he cares about whatever negative press he gets from going to a basketball game.
 
2013-02-13 09:06:19 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: It makes me wonder if Carnival is going to allow the "Goth Cruise" again due to lost passenger revenue from this incident.


There's still the Royal Caribbean version:   http://gothcruise.com/  (which is the one a FOAF ended up telling me about, and is the one thing that would tempt me onto a cruise ship, ever.)
 
2013-02-13 09:08:46 PM  
I'm guessing this whole Charlie Foxtrot is indicative of a lack of redundancy or separation of redundant systems in the design of cruise ships.
 
2013-02-13 09:09:02 PM  
Good, a CEO not breathing down the necks of everyone involved demanding status reports every 30 seconds probably let the the work get done quicker. Most CEOs are more helpful in the board room than anywhere else.

He was probably reported by a useless middle manager gunning for a promotion.

basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this


Thousands of people... who all have norovirus! Whee!
 
2013-02-13 09:11:16 PM  

iron de havilland: fusillade762: The headline from the Daily Mail article:

Boss of Carnival cruise ship adds insult to misery by going to basketball game as 4,000 suffer aboard 'stinking stricken ship' with urine-soaked carpets and sewage in cabins

Since when did the Mail start bagging on rich people? I thought they reserved their outrage for welfare queens and the Nanny State?

The Mail is a gutter press tabloid. Its staple is outrage and reactionary stories, just like any other tabloid. It's just aimed at a slightly higher class than the likes of the Sun.

The Mail Online is also one of the most-visited online "news" sites in the world. So, great jerb Drew for passing all that traffic to it.


Well, at least in this case is WASN'T a Mail link. I know, I was shocked, too.
 
2013-02-13 09:20:40 PM  

heavymetal: While I don't think there is anything he could personally do at the exact moment to help, you would think that a company with that many cruise ships would have a better plan of action for situations like this.


It still looks bad. Granted the situation was more of a big deal, but I remember when some nut poisoned some Tylenol in the 1980's. The CEO of whoever makes Tylenol did not sleep for four days while every bottle was pulled off the shelves. Every time you saw him on TV he looked more frazzled. It's called giving a damn. If cruise guy was smart he'd fly out to the damn boat and get on it untill it reached shore.
 
2013-02-13 09:28:56 PM  

MrPedanticLawyer: rengav: I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.

Unlikely. The back of a cruise line ticket basically says that you have to sue them under something like Namibian law in some gator-infested Florida hellhole. And then your damages are limited to some ridiculously tiny sum.


Generally Bahamian or Liberian law.  Good luck with that!
 
2013-02-13 09:46:32 PM  
I know the feeling, I saw Drew in a TF thread while the pol tab was drowning in libtards. It was an outrage
 
2013-02-13 09:57:15 PM  

Gunderson: All the CEO does is get on the phone to his board of directors and say: "Yo assholes, if still want that 7 digit Christmas bonus, go get that farking boat"

He doesn't do peasant work.


If I was running that company that there would be damn few bonuses going out any time soon.   He has to know this is the worse thing possible for his company.
 
2013-02-13 09:59:58 PM  
good luck cleaning up that shiat bucket now! wow. those people are so pissed off they are probably urinating and defecating in every conceivable crevice. soiling the sofas, micterating on carpets....

hmmmm
 
2013-02-13 10:00:41 PM  
davidhetherington.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-13 10:02:54 PM  
Because, clearly the alternative was going to be the CEO sitting in a command bunker, hurriedly issuing orders to several different departments to personally coordinate the relief efforts while crying over the ruined vacations.

// Pffffbt, yeah. Like the guy in the $5000 suit is going to hold the lifeboat for you..
 
2013-02-13 10:03:27 PM  

some_beer_drinker: good luck cleaning up that shiat bucket now! wow. those people are so pissed off they are probably urinating and defecating in every conceivable crevice. soiling the sofas, micterating on carpets....

hmmmm


And that was before the power went out. Heyyyyooo.
 
2013-02-13 10:03:28 PM  
We've been on Carnival cruises exactly three times in the mid 80's.

Food and presentation of same was excellent.  Food 24 hours a day, all of it excellent.  That's the best I can say about a cruise, food is outstanding.

Stage shows and other entertainment was only so-so.

The main thing they push you to do is sit in the main theater and play bingo.  Everything is very controlled with your options specifically limited to make sure you pay Carnival the max amount of money they can milk out of you.

Drinks are horrendously expensive on the boat.

Side trips are nothing more than guided shopping trips to "preferred" stores.  You are very specifically scared into not doing anything not supervised by agents of Carnival.

Any purchase you make off ship is billed to your cabin and "taken back to the boat and stored for you convenience".  That means if you buy something on one of the side trips you don't see it again until you get back to dock side in the US.  My guess is that they don't actually sell any product at all on the side trips, they just take your order and then fulfill the order out of a warehouse where your boat docks at the end of your trip.

If you try to buy booze off ship to circumvent the high prices on the ship they've got you there too.  You can't get any mixer or ice on the ship.  You can buy a bottle of booze and SNEAK it back to your stateroom.  But be prepared to drink it straight from the bottle and without ice.  Good luck finding a glass.

Carnival was not a good experience for us and we didn't have any engine room fires.  I can't imagine how much that sucks.
 
2013-02-13 10:32:24 PM  
Kaenneth:
Well, I can give a good reason why the Coast Guard dosn't need to help.

Does the cruise company pay US taxes/vessel registration?


That literally means nothing.  It's in the United States' Area of Responsibility for search and rescue.  That means it gets help from the Coast Guard if it's in distress.
 
2013-02-13 10:32:32 PM  

Buster 49: Carnival was not a good experience for us and we didn't have any engine room fires.


Good thing you figured that out after going on only three cruises.
 
2013-02-13 10:37:23 PM  
Somaticasual:

// Pffffbt, yeah. Like the guy in the $5000 suit is going to hold the lifeboat for you..

Pfffftbt, yeah, like the guy in the  $7000 Dollar suit is going to miss a basketball game.
I mean, come on, look at these losers
 
2013-02-13 10:46:56 PM  
Someone should invent large sails for cruise ships in case there's a problem with the engines. Wind power is the answer.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:07 PM  

vodka: CEO's are business people.  You expect them to handle operations?

Do you want the CEO of Delta flying your plane?


Exactly why almost all of them are vastly overpaid.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:26 PM  
I guess I was operating under the mistaken assumption that a CEO is already an expert in running a business. In a transportation industry, that would include things like maintenance and operations.

My bad. He's probably just a money guy
 
2013-02-13 10:48:34 PM  

SnarfVader: BalugaJoe: They should have nuclear power engines.

Been done. Didn't work out.

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Actually, that was mostly due to having congress in charge of the thing.  She was on the cusp of making serious money if they hadn't made some poor decisions about not refueling her.

And that's true, BalugaJoe; there would have been far fewer flammable materials in the engine room.
 
2013-02-13 10:48:54 PM  
FYI - The casino on the stranded cruise line cheats at blackjack.  They have rigged those shufflemasters (which shuffle continuously) to give the dealer more blackjacks than the players.  I remember for one two hour period, they used a traditional shoe at one table, but quickly went back to the rigged shufflemaster when the players won every now and then.
 
2013-02-13 10:50:50 PM  

pete1729: heavymetal: While I don't think there is anything he could personally do at the exact moment to help, you would think that a company with that many cruise ships would have a better plan of action for situations like this.

It still looks bad. Granted the situation was more of a big deal, but I remember when some nut poisoned some Tylenol in the 1980's. The CEO of whoever makes Tylenol did not sleep for four days while every bottle was pulled off the shelves. Every time you saw him on TV he looked more frazzled. It's called giving a damn. If cruise guy was smart he'd fly out to the damn boat and get on it untill it reached shore.


Ya think?
 
2013-02-13 10:57:20 PM  

1. Put snakes on plane: Buster 49: Carnival was not a good experience for us and we didn't have any engine room fires.

Good thing you figured that out after going on only three cruises.


We had our reasons for the two repeats after the first one.

We were traveling with elderly parents,  They like to play bingo and not have any surprises.

If you like everything planned out for you and don't want to think for yourself, a cruise might be the way to go.

It's relatively safe and predictable, unless you travel Carnival.

Carnival is ok as long as you don't mind the occasional norovirus outbreak or engine room fire.
 
2013-02-13 10:58:25 PM  

Snotty1: In his defense he did stand up and lead a rousing rendition of Row Row Row Your Boat.


Ha!
 
2013-02-13 11:16:53 PM  
Articles about other articles are stupid. He's also a managing partner for the Heat, should he shirk his responsibilities to that organization? There's not much for a CEO to do in this situation as the company has already been mobilized to solve the problem.
 
2013-02-13 11:24:20 PM  

Yogimus: [davidhetherington.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


Don't poke the bear.
 
2013-02-13 11:26:40 PM  

thrasherrr: Popcorn Johnny: robohobo: Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.

If there was a crippled aircraft carrier floating around the Pacific, you wouldn't see Obama or any other president going to a sporting event. Not that they're capable of doing anything to resolve the situation, but it's still bad juju to be out like that during a crisis.

Try again.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/11/navy-carrier-bush-suffers-wide sp read-toilet-outages-111411w/


Is that the only George Bush that <i>doesn't</i> suck shiat?
 
2013-02-13 11:53:35 PM  
Micky is going to have to pass out courtside Heat tickets to congressmen.

Congressmen that get to watch Lebron close up forget to introduce legislation regulating cruise lines.

That's tough work.
 
2013-02-14 12:23:44 AM  
Is it just my imagination or do these Carnival Cruise ships become disabled from engine problems and fires on a fairly regular basis?

/Just learned that Costa Concordia was owned & operated by a Carnival subsidiary.
 
2013-02-14 12:39:26 AM  
Since when do CEOs do anything useful?  He'd only make the situation worse.
 
2013-02-14 12:50:44 AM  

TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.


Must suck being poor or too dumb to book a cruise on a tiny ship with boring ports of call. Did a two week cruise of the Mediterranean a few years ago and had a friggin' awesome time. The food on the ship was as good as can be expected when you consider they're preparing meals for several thousand people, but the food on all of the excursions we went on was first-rate.
 
2013-02-14 01:01:09 AM  
Carnival has some serious PR problems and the ceo doesn't give a shiat?

I am not surprised. I don't care how inexpensive carnival cruises are, I would NEVER take one.
 
2013-02-14 01:07:12 AM  
I don't think the guy needs to beat himself in the public square or anything, but my god, the board should be pissed... the visuals and the PR side matter... when your customers are enduring a crisis (bad things happen, it's not your fault), you don't juxtapose images of people pooping in plastic bags with anything... you stay the fark at home, read a good book, watch some tv or something. The last damned thing your PR people want is your fat farking face out in public having a good time... it's not to say that you should be having a bad time, but that the contrast of you v. your customers is an inherently bad thing. Whether we're talking about BP, Carnival, or any future disaster, the right thing to do for CEOs, boards, and named VPs in a crisis is to listen to your PR team, read the speeches, apologize, be contrite, work to make things better for the affected people, and then go home, go to your friends house, play some pool, have a beer there, whatever... just don't go around providing visuals outside of the controlled environments.
 
2013-02-14 01:39:30 AM  

acefox1: Is it just my imagination or do these Carnival Cruise ships become disabled from engine problems and fires on a fairly regular basis?

/Just learned that Costa Concordia was owned & operated by a Carnival subsidiary.


They alternate it with norovirus outbreaks so that people forget.

/ Glad I don't work in the ER anymore, that realization when the first patient checks in with that and says they are from the cruise ship that just docked sucks like you wouldn't believe, especially when your 12 hour shift has just begun!
 
2013-02-14 02:37:38 AM  

Buster 49: You can buy a bottle of booze and SNEAK it back to your stateroom.  But be prepared to drink it straight from the bottle and without ice.


I'm in luck then!
 
2013-02-14 02:45:11 AM  

for good or for awesome: Gunderson: All the CEO does is get on the phone to his board of directors and say: "Yo assholes, if still want that 7 digit Christmas bonus, go get that farking boat"

He doesn't do peasant work.

If I was running that company that there would be damn few bonuses going out any time soon.   He has to know this is the worse thing possible for his company.


Worse than a sinking?
 
2013-02-14 03:40:19 AM  
As the leader of the most successful cruise operation in the world, the 63-year-old Arison and his family have always been involved with the team.  Although his father, Ted, brought the NBA franchise to South Florida in 1988, it has only been since Micky took control in 1995 that the HEAT has evolved into one of the NBA's top organizations.

I imagine he will be at all of the games and rightly so. His family has been in control of the franchise for at least 25 years. He has work to do.
 
2013-02-14 04:07:45 AM  

geekbikerskum: DarkSoulNoHope: It makes me wonder if Carnival is going to allow the "Goth Cruise" again due to lost passenger revenue from this incident.

There's still the Royal Caribbean version:   http://gothcruise.com/  (which is the one a FOAF ended up telling me about, and is the one thing that would tempt me onto a cruise ship, ever.)


Funny thing is, if they are supposedly the same "Goth Cruise" as the movie, they changed their policies. Before they had VNV Nation and two other bands booked that were probably close to Industrial and EBM listed from the cruise I saw that posted was a year after the movie came out, but no actual Goth bands, also to mention the DJs they booked were pretty much Industrial/EBM too and not one actual Goth DJ (made me think twice about going in the past, since it didn't seem to be a variety of Goth that included mine but just the newer divisions that would leave out an eldergoth like me). The website says it is now "DIY", which I guess means they find DJs that are willing to work for free and are unable to get any bands to play the cruise. With the way the activities are listed, it seems less of a "goth cruise" with set events (like the Goth Cruise movie had) and more of a "Bats Day" like at Disney. They're even advising the Goth passengers to bring formal wear for the "formal dinner" or go to an alternative venue. Seems like less a planned event and more of a money grab.
 
2013-02-14 04:23:48 AM  

calbert: FriarReb98: davidphogan: He should have swam out to it and towed it back in himself. That selfish bastard.

The CEO of Carnival is Jack Lalane?

came here to ask that. what the f*ck are people expecting him to do?

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Show some feeling of solidarity.  Seem concerned, too concerned to enjoy a trip to American Airlines Arena.  At least give the appearance of a leader - trying to find ways to get the ship to port sooner, consulting with experts to find a way to get some power online more quickly to make conditions better, communicating with the passengers to let them know he's at least sitting there worried about them. Arranging accommodations and travel once they reach Alabama.

Sometimes when you're stuck in a terrible situation, it helps to know that someone cares.  Maybe they can't do anything concrete, but knowing they're concerned is better than, "Fark it, can't do anything for them, might as well party!"
 
2013-02-14 07:42:09 AM  

kim jong-un: TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place. Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.

I swear that the only people who keep telling me that cruises are great are people who are trying to convince themselves that they didn't waste thousands of dollars to be locked in a floating mall for a week.


Why can't everyone like what I like? It's not fair! WaaWaaWaa. I'm always right and they are big stupid heads!

/back to my video games
//in mom's basement
 
2013-02-14 09:44:46 AM  

for good or for awesome: If I was running that company that there would be damn few bonuses going out any time soon. He has to know this is the worse thing possible for his company.


Nothing, and I mean nothing, gets in the way of an Executive and his bonus.   They don't care if they introduce a Taco buffet and have a flushing surcharge added to everyones bill, they will get their money.
 
2013-02-14 10:52:00 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Funny thing is, if they are supposedly the same "Goth Cruise" as the movie, they changed their policies. Before they had VNV Nation and two other bands booked that were probably close to Industrial and EBM listed from the cruise I saw that posted was a year after the movie came out, but no actual Goth bands, also to mention the DJs they booked were pretty much Industrial/EBM too and not one actual Goth DJ (made me think twice about going in the past, since it didn't seem to be a variety of Goth that included mine but just the newer divisions that would leave out an eldergoth like me). The website says it is now "DIY", which I guess means they find DJs that are willing to work for free and are unable to get any bands to play the cruise. With the way the activities are listed, it seems less of a "goth cruise" with set events (like the Goth Cruise movie had) and more of a "Bats Day" like at Disney. They're even advising the Goth passengers to bring formal wear for the "formal dinner" or go to an alternative venue. Seems like less a planned event and more of a money grab.


Well, the fact is that industrial and EBM is what gets played at "Goth Nights" at lots of clubs.  That's been true for so long that I've pretty much ceased ranting about it, except in a humorous "I was listening to Christian Death on vinyl while your mom and I did each others' eyeliner, now GET OFF MY  LAWNDANCEFLOOR" kind of way.
I didn't really look at the website all that closely.  If they're not going to have any kind of headline band, or DJ, or whatever, and they're going to insist on traditional "formal wear" (instead of "creative formal") for dinner, then ... screw it, I'd rather spend my $$$ on going to Whitby or to Wave-Gotik-Treffen.  I didn't look at the website all that closely; I just had the whole thing tucked in the back of my mind as "might be fun to do someday."  If what you say is true...well, just sounds like Bats on a Boat, rather than specifically a Gothic Cruise, and if that's what it is, well, then, forget about it.  Thanks for the warning.
 
2013-02-14 11:08:29 AM  

Gilligann: So i'm reading the comments and one in particular stood out.

If things are so bad aboard ship why hasn't the President sent the Coast Guard to evacuate the passangers. Oh!! wait since Obama sold the Coast guard to BP for a $100,000.00 it is now the responsibility of BPs CO to take care of that.

Huh?

Did I miss something or is this just the usual crazy we've come to expect from the right?


Just the usual crazy.  Conflating BP and Carnival Cruise Lines, expecting the Coast Guard to ride to the rescue of a foreign-flagged vessel (sure, the company is out of Florida.  The SHIP is flagged out of the Bahamas...I wonder why!  Oh yes to avoid higher US taxes, fees, and labor laws, right.)   that's disabled in international waters, because ANYTHING Obama does or does not do must be wrong.

And let me see if I've got this straight, the Triumph is having issues with where to poop?
blog.timesunion.com
Oh my god man what a setup.
 
2013-02-14 11:12:47 AM  

BigRightRear: rengav: I read somewhere that Carnival is refunding the passengers' money and giving them a free cruise in the future.  Like anyone is going to claim that free cruise after this fiasco...

I sincerely hope that the passengers sue Carnival for damages, suffering, etc. and win.  And I wish I was a lawyer so I could be on the team and cash in as well.

They had a fire, I'm sure it was started just to make those people miserable. Sounds like you would make a fine lawyer.


Actually, the company admitted the ship in question was have mechanical problems prior to this voyage, so the passengers may have a case. The problem is quantifying the damages. They are already getting a full refund +plus a free cruise in the future, plus their transportation costs back home are also covered. If you were on a jury, what you award someone who had to shiat in a plastic bag for a few days?
 
2013-02-14 11:20:35 AM  

NEDM: Kaenneth:
Well, I can give a good reason why the Coast Guard dosn't need to help.

Does the cruise company pay US taxes/vessel registration?

That literally means nothing.  It's in the United States' Area of Responsibility for search and rescue.  That means it gets help from the Coast Guard if it's in distress.


It is NOW, now that Carnival has towed it closer to Alabama.  When disabled, it was a good 300 miles off the US coast in any direction.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2013/02/12/stench-on-li ne r-being-towed-to-shore-sickens-passengers/1914231/
 
2013-02-14 12:06:51 PM  
This is worse than Auschwitz
 
2013-02-14 01:25:08 PM  

geekbikerskum: Well, the fact is that industrial and EBM is what gets played at "Goth Nights" at lots of clubs. That's been true for so long that I've pretty much ceased ranting about it, except in a humorous "I was listening to Christian Death on vinyl while your mom and I did each others' eyeliner, now GET OFF MY LAWNDANCEFLOOR" kind of way.
I didn't really look at the website all that closely. If they're not going to have any kind of headline band, or DJ, or whatever, and they're going to insist on traditional "formal wear" (instead of "creative formal") for dinner, then ... screw it, I'd rather spend my $$$ on going to Whitby or to Wave-Gotik-Treffen. I didn't look at the website all that closely; I just had the whole thing tucked in the back of my mind as "might be fun to do someday." If what you say is true...well, just sounds like Bats on a Boat, rather than specifically a Gothic Cruise, and if that's what it is, well, then, forget about it. Thanks for the warning.


I still seem to rant about it, especially at those nights nearby me in NYC that have the word "Goth" mixed in with "Industrial, EBM, Synthpop" and probably some other musical genres there too, where the promoter who made that flyer knows full well there is no Goth music being played and very little (if at all) synthpop.  I just hate false advertising! (Plus it's really hard to be a primarily Goth music DJ when the only DJs hired are playing EBM and Electronica) :)

As for the so called "Goth Cruise", you're welcome for the warning. Before making a final judgement on my words, I would suggest you look at the website FAQ yourself at the website link you gave me, but from what I can see from reading it is clear. They used the words "formal wear" and they suggested men wear a button down shirt with a tie. They claim they "partnered" with a booking company, which I wonder may just be trying to lure Goths with a copycat cruise?

There is this website too http://www.gothiccruise.com/ that also claims to be "the original" and has set sail since 1989 (and seems to be the one I was talking about regarding VNV Nation, though they don't mention anything about the movie). The link I have claims four bands are coming on board to play (including one band I have never heard before called Ootz Ootz, stupid name for a band IMHO) but doesn't have any DJs lined up yet (I could ask, but I doubt they would pay for my full trip aboard since I can't afford a cruise right now! :) ) Plus they claim to have onboard events (and it's going to the Caribbean and not Alaska!) which seems to be alot more organized than the "http://gothcruise.com/" claims to be (which just seems to be just a money grabber of naive Goths). But if both turn out to be bupkis, then yeah, I rather go to Whitby if I can afford it, but the http://www.gothiccruise.com/2013-home.html seems more worth it than "Gothcruise.com".
 
2013-02-14 01:26:49 PM  

TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.



Thanks. Always thought the same thing. I always suspected they were hiding something, kinda like a club of, "I went through that shiat, so should you" people. Never saw the appeal.
 
2013-02-14 02:18:13 PM  
MS Costa Concordia is a Concordia-class cruise ship built in 2004 by the Fincantieri's Sestri Ponente yards in Italy and operated from 2005 by Costa Crociere (a subsidiary of Carnival Corporation).

you may recall that:

On 13 January 2012 at about 9:45 pm, in calm seas and overcast weather, under command of Captain Francesco Schettino, Costa Concordia struck a rock in the Tyrrhenian Sea just off the eastern shore of Isola del Giglio, off the western coast of Italy about 100 km (62 mi) northwest of Rome.  This tore a 50 m (160 ft) gash on the port (left) side of her hull, which almost immediately flooded parts of the engine room and caused loss of power to her propulsion and electrical systems.

Carnival is the worst cruise ship line.  Avoid it at all costs.
 
2013-02-14 02:26:14 PM  
they should just have the LAPD San Bernadino PD torch the ship.
 
2013-02-14 02:54:28 PM  
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Carnival Triumph:  A good ship,  for me to poop on!!!
 
2013-02-14 03:09:52 PM  

Ishidan: Just the usual crazy. Conflating BP and Carnival Cruise Lines, expecting the Coast Guard to ride to the rescue of a foreign-flagged vessel (sure, the company is out of Florida. The SHIP is flagged out of the Bahamas...I wonder why! Oh yes to avoid higher US taxes, fees, and labor laws, right.) that's disabled in international waters, because ANYTHING Obama does or does not do must be wrong.


 expecting the Coast Guard to ride to the rescue of a foreign-flagged vessel (sure, the company is out of Florida.  The SHIP is flagged out of the Bahamas...I wonder why!  Oh yes to avoid higher US taxes, fees, and labor laws, right.)   that's disabled in international waters

Yes, I do expect them to do that.  That is literally their job.  What is with all of these people who suddenly have a bug up their ass about SOLAS?  This isn't a new thing; countries have been coming to the aid of ships who don't fly their flag for centuries.  It's an accepted part of the maritime world.  Do you think they're supposed to ignore ships in distress that aren't American?
 
2013-02-14 03:11:01 PM  
NEDM:

Well, I certainly cocked THAT up.
 
2013-02-14 05:05:24 PM  

TinyFist: basemetal: Meh, those cruises just don't look like a great get away in the first place.  Crammed all into a boat with thousands of people just does not appeal to me.

/and then there are things like this

SOOOOO this. I wanted to get away for awhile, thought about flying to some city in some country I'd never been to to hang out for a few days (my typical vacation). My cruise enthusiast friends/family (read: evil people who hate me) talked me into taking a cruise.
"it's AMAZING! And you get to go to a lot of countries instead of just one!"

Almost flew home in the third port. There's just SO MANY PEOPLE and you're stuck around them all the time. And the ports suck donkeyballs, too. Oh, look, another Margaritaville, Harley Shop, Hard Rock, and dozens of jewelry shops! Belize is so incredible!!!

Screw cruises and the dipshiat "travelers" aboard them.

/yes, even you. You who is reading this confused, saying "but WE got away from the touristy stuff and took a Cruise sponsored trip to the REAL part of (insert country dependent on US tourism dollars) ." Go back to your stateroom and STFU.
//soapbox, on it.
///not sure what goes on this line here.


Never been on a cruise, but this has convinced me to never go on one.  The last line did it for me.
 
2013-02-14 05:11:52 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: robohobo: Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.

If there was a crippled aircraft carrier floating around the Pacific, you wouldn't see Obama or any other president going to a sporting event. Not that they're capable of doing anything to resolve the situation, but it's still bad juju to be out like that during a crisis.


I don't know...I have a kid who's in some Middle East country wearing a uniform that says US Army getting shot at daily and it seems that the president is still playing golf, so I'm sure an aircraft carrier adrift wouldn't deter him from having some fun.  Then again, I'm sure Bush played golf during the war also.  What?  He didn't?  Who said?
 
2013-02-14 06:05:17 PM  

superdolfan1: Popcorn Johnny: robohobo: Every President we've had has vacationed in the middle of one shiatstorm or another. No difference.

If there was a crippled aircraft carrier floating around the Pacific, you wouldn't see Obama or any other president going to a sporting event. Not that they're capable of doing anything to resolve the situation, but it's still bad juju to be out like that during a crisis.

I don't know...I have a kid who's in some Middle East country wearing a uniform that says US Army getting shot at daily and it seems that the president is still playing golf, so I'm sure an aircraft carrier adrift wouldn't deter him from having some fun.  Then again, I'm sure Bush played golf during the war also.  What?  He didn't?  Who said?


Strangely enough, at the end of that interview, he concluded with, "Now watch this drive."
 
2013-02-14 10:22:58 PM  

NEDM: NEDM:

Well, I certainly cocked THAT up.


Oh, completely.

Again, WHERE did the ship break down?  Hint:  the world is not "America, everything you can possibly reach is your problem".  Yes, it is convention that ANY ship within responding range of a mayday call come immediately to render assistance.  If there had happened to be a US Coast Guard or Navy ship tooling around the area, then yes it would have been obligated to assist.  This is not the same as the initial assertion that I was commenting on, that President Obama should have specially deployed the US Coast Guard to do so.

Depending on where the ship broke down, it may well have been in MEXICO's area of responsibility (see map of the globally agreed on areas of responsibility here:  http://www.oceansatlas.com/unatlas/issues/emergencies/gmdss_sar/SARMAP .PDF ) which is why they originally wanted to tow it to Mexico for repairs...until prevailing currents pushed it into the American SAR territory, therefore giving them the right to go for Alabama instead.

Also, the double quote.  Don't know how you even did that.
 
2013-02-14 10:24:04 PM  
 
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