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(Bayou Buzz)   Sen Reid says that the "senatorial hold" thingie where a single senator can anonymously block a presidential nominee indefinitely ain't gonna work this term as he won't honor them. And so they say, Harry Reid's spine grew three sizes that day   (bayoubuzz.com) divider line 97
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2013-02-13 03:56:34 PM  
This is like adding 10-15 Dem seats in the Senate.  Great news.
 
2013-02-13 03:58:25 PM  
This page's layout is terrible.
 
2013-02-13 04:00:41 PM  
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-02-13 04:02:40 PM  
Bout damn time.
If they don't like a nominee then vote against them, but let everyone of them have a simple up or down vote.

Advise and consent does not mean you get to hold your breath till you turn blue to get your way assholes.
 
2013-02-13 04:06:07 PM  

whither_apophis: I'll believe it when I see it.


As I've said in the past, Reid does not go to the press with bluffs.  If he says it to the press, he means it.

But yeah, let's see it happen first.
 
2013-02-13 04:08:24 PM  
It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:27 PM  

mahuika: This page's layout is terrible.


whither_apophis: I'll believe it when I see it.


These. With a side of: Lindsey Graham is an asshole.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:56 PM  
Is it a scandal yet?
 
2013-02-13 04:20:05 PM  
Somewhere out there, Joe Lieberman is making the "FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-" face.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:26 PM  

I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.


Which Reid was going to do, but he wanted something bipartisan.  McConnell broke his promise within a week of making it, making his filibuster fix worthless.  This is the retribution.

Besides, there's no loss in the holds going away.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:27 PM  

I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.


Seems like it may not even be a rule just a traditional informal agreement. Why on earth anyone ever let it stall anything in the past, if so, is a mystery.
 
2013-02-13 04:21:05 PM  
Wait, so all it took was for Reid to say "Nah, I'm not allowing that?"

WTF? Why didn't he do this years ago?
 
2013-02-13 04:21:25 PM  

I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.


It's not a formal rule. It's more a sort of long standing "gentleman's agreement".
 
2013-02-13 04:23:12 PM  
If he goes through with this, outrage meters all over the country will be pegged in the red. Which is fine by me.
 
2013-02-13 04:24:06 PM  

I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.


A nonsensical bi-partisan approach?

You mean with the Repbulican Senators who are threatening to use the fillibuster on a Presidential Cabinet nomination for the first time in American History on .... a fellow ex Republican Senator?
 
2013-02-13 04:24:21 PM  

odinsposse: Wait, so all it took was for Reid to say "Nah, I'm not allowing that?"

WTF? Why didn't he do this years ago?


Something something world's greatest deliberative body.
 
2013-02-13 04:25:11 PM  
Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.
 
2013-02-13 04:25:19 PM  

gaspode: I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.

Seems like it may not even be a rule just a traditional informal agreement. Why on earth anyone ever let it stall anything in the past, if so, is a mystery.


Right, most of the senate "rules" are just conventions to allow thing to run more smoothly.  Since the Republicans are not interested in things running smoothly (or at all) then why bother?

Some of the holds got started from deferring to a state's senators on local appointments.  If you're appointing a new judge or attorney for Tennessee you want to have the Tennessee delegation on board.  I'm not sure how that logic extends to national positions.
 
2013-02-13 04:25:49 PM  

I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.


Thing is. it isn't even a rule, as I understand it, just a tradition, one that grew out of the clubbiness that used to Permeate the upper chamber.  The hold has awlays been basically a courtesy to the senator that  placed it, not a formal proceedural motion  And since it's been so wantonly abused, it's time to no longer extend that courtesy
 
2013-02-13 04:25:58 PM  
He said he needs to hear more information about the deadly September attack on an American compound in Benghazi Libya, before proceeding.

Party above country......the current GOP is the greatest threat to the U.S. since the civil war.  Same bigoted motivations from the opposition as well.
 
2013-02-13 04:26:32 PM  

InmanRoshi: I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.

A nonsensical bi-partisan approach?

You mean with the Repbulican Senators who are threatening to use the fillibuster on a Presidential Cabinet nomination for the first time in American History on .... a fellow ex Republican Senator?


If you're gonna go...go big or go home.
 
2013-02-13 04:27:32 PM  
It is astonishing Reid ever thought the Republicans would honor any agreement whatsoever.
 
2013-02-13 04:27:40 PM  
Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule
 
2013-02-13 04:28:00 PM  

whither_apophis: I'll believe it when I see it.


No shiat. How's that filibuster reform coming along? Oh, abandoned, right..
 
2013-02-13 04:28:01 PM  
fark YES.  LET'S GET CORDRAY/HAGEL CONFIRMED AND GO FROM THERE
 
2013-02-13 04:28:12 PM  

FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.


I don't trust men who are more soft-spoken (and drink less) than my grandmother.
 
2013-02-13 04:29:31 PM  

I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.


I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of the Senate's procedural rules, and I suspect you don't either... but Harry Reid does. If he thinks he's even allowed to not honor 'holds', then he probably has some good reasons.

Perhaps the rule allowing 'holds' has always been more of a guideline - part of the Senate's traditions of working by consensus. If so - well, Senate Republicans have already spent the past four years shiatting on those traditions, so why should Dems be beholden to them?
 
2013-02-13 04:31:04 PM  
Reid, speaking as a voter, holy fark I love you right now.
 
2013-02-13 04:32:41 PM  

FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.


Vote Republican...right?
 
2013-02-13 04:33:09 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.

I don't trust men who are more soft-spoken (and drink less) than my grandmother.


Does it help that he can also probably knock you out?  He used to be a pretty talented Semi-pro boxer apparently
 
2013-02-13 04:34:32 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Bout damn time.
If they don't like a nominee then vote against them, but let everyone of them have a simple up or down vote.

Advise and consent does not mean you get to hold your breath till you turn blue to get your way assholes.


Remember when 'Up or Down Vote on ALL THE THINGS' was a thing?

Me too.
 
2013-02-13 04:34:48 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: fark YES.  LET'S GET CORDRAY/HAGEL CONFIRMED AND GO FROM THERE


Is this sudden spinal rigidity because of the Cordray/Hagel nominations, or because Ruth Bader Ginsburg looked like she was about to peace-out in the middle of the SOTU?
 
2013-02-13 04:35:16 PM  
He's had this option the whole time? Really?

THEN WHY THE FARK HAS HE WAITED SO LONG!
 
2013-02-13 04:35:39 PM  

FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius. The man does nothing constructive in the public forum. Absolutely nothing. The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there. And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology. It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country. I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one. He's a crafty politician.


Historical reality would like a word with you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_congress

Nothing has been done for the past two years because of Republican filibuster abuse. But 2009-2011 was the most productive legislative session in a generation. Less got done from 2007-2009. But the most important bills still passed, and he had a Republican President.

Harry Reid is in no way confidence inspiring. I actually cringe whenever I see him speaking publicly, he's such a god damn simpering pussy. But he has been as effective a legislator as circumstances have permitted.
 
2013-02-13 04:35:49 PM  

BMulligan: If he goes through with this, outrage meters all over the country will be pegged in the red. Which is fine by me.


Pegged in the red is too much pegging.
 
2013-02-13 04:37:32 PM  

BMulligan: If he goes through with this, outrage meters all over the country will be pegged in the red. Which is fine by me.



oh no, the GOP will be angry?

It's lost all meaning to me. It seems like they're constantly whipped into a froth about anything and everything.

/unless they build an amp that can go to 12 they're all maxed out I think.
 
2013-02-13 04:39:36 PM  

Mithiwithi: I_C_Weener: It is a stupid rule, but the thing about rules is that if you start picking and choosing which ones you will follow when you are in the majority, you might have to face the possibility that the other side will do so too.  The better system is to vote it out, revise the rules, actually have a bipartisan approach to it.

But then, that would make sense.

I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of the Senate's procedural rules, and I suspect you don't either... but Harry Reid does. If he thinks he's even allowed to not honor 'holds', then he probably has some good reasons.

Perhaps the rule allowing 'holds' has always been more of a guideline - part of the Senate's traditions of working by consensus. If so - well, Senate Republicans have already spent the past four years shiatting on those traditions, so why should Dems be beholden to them?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_hold
meh
sounds like one of those wishy-washy rules
he can bring the motion to the floor, and someone can object to the motion
but then they will be on the record to objecting, rather than anonymous
lawl

In August 2006, the was put on secret hold. This bill, intended to encourage transparency within government, was considered by political pundits to be an especially ironic target of a secret hold and much attention was drawn to the bill and to the procedure itself. Bloggers and political activists sought to identify the Senator or Senators responsible by process of elimination, by having constituents contact each Senator and requesting a specific on-the-record denial of placing the secret hold. Within 24 hours, 96 Senators had explicitly denied that they had placed the secret hold, leaving only 4 Senators still suspected and under growing public scrutiny as a result.[citation needed] On August 30, a spokesperson for of announced that Stevens had placed a hold on the bill. On August 31, 2006, also admitted placing a hold on the bill. Ultimately, the bill passed the Senate unanimously.

LOLOLOLOLOL
so pretty much anonymous holds are for assholes
 
2013-02-13 04:39:59 PM  

FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.


I love how confirming Presidential Cabinent nominations ... which has been a procedural formality in American History until this point .... is now seen as a craven "advancement of ideology".

Seems like a craven advancement of ideology is suddenly declaring that elections don't matter.
 
2013-02-13 04:40:09 PM  

unexplained bacon: /unless they build an amp that can go to 12 they're all maxed out I think.


Their amp goes beyond even 12, all the way to potato.
 
2013-02-13 04:41:40 PM  

timswar: He's had this option the whole time? Really?

THEN WHY THE FARK HAS HE WAITED SO LONG!


Oddly, I think its good timing.  Its specific to the nominee stuff, and has 'standing' in the sense that its never happened before.  Fillibuster nonsense is almost accepted for all other stuff, but as noted, never really happened before for this type of procedure, so its more distinct event.
 
2013-02-13 04:42:32 PM  

InmanRoshi: FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.

I love how confirming Presidential Cabinent nominations ... which has been a procedural formality in American History until this point .... is now seen as a craven "advancement of ideology".



Especially when the action being talked about is in the effort to get a politician from the other party confirmed.
 
2013-02-13 04:42:34 PM  

namatad: In August 2006, the was put on secret hold. This bill, intended to encourage transparency within government, was considered by political pundits to be an especially ironic target of a secret hold and much attention was drawn to the bill and to the procedure itself. Bloggers and political activists sought to identify the Senator or Senators responsible by process of elimination, by having constituents contact each Senator and requesting a specific on-the-record denial of placing the secret hold. Within 24 hours, 96 Senators had explicitly denied that they had placed the secret hold, leaving only 4 Senators still suspected and under growing public scrutiny as a result.[citation needed] On August 30, a spokesperson for of announced that Stevens had placed a hold on the bill. On August 31, 2006, also admitted placing a hold on the bill. Ultimately, the bill passed the Senate unanimously.


Looks like either you or the source you cited accidentally a few words.
 
2013-02-13 04:42:49 PM  

Magorn: Does it help that he can also probably knock you out?  He used to be a pretty talented Semi-pro boxer apparently


Uh huh. I've heard him simper and lisp about his alleged boxing history, but haven't ever seen any kind of proof of it.

Wyalt Derp: Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule


LOL...nice.
 
2013-02-13 04:43:24 PM  
Harry Reid sounds like Piglet to me.

As to ending this Anonymous Hold business, I never quite understood why we give Congress so many ways for individuals to throw a wrench in the works.
 
2013-02-13 04:43:36 PM  

mittromneysdog: unexplained bacon: /unless they build an amp that can go to 12 they're all maxed out I think.

Their amp goes beyond even 12, all the way to potato.


of course, how could forget...well, they'll need to be at potato +1 if they expect anyone to notice their anger over this one.
 
2013-02-13 04:45:09 PM  
It's going to be interesting to watch him capitulate again at the slightest hint of pressure from any direction.

Compared to Reid, France boldly stands in the face of all adversity.
 
2013-02-13 04:46:09 PM  
Honoring Senatorial holds is the same as giving 100 assholes individual veto power.  I don't think that's what the framers had in mind.
 
2013-02-13 04:48:16 PM  

unexplained bacon: oh no, the GOP will be angry?
It's lost all meaning to me. It seems like they're constantly whipped into a froth about anything and everything.


graphics8.nytimes.com

Did someone mention froth?
 
2013-02-13 04:52:33 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: FLMountainMan: Harry Reid is really a genius.  The man does nothing constructive in the public forum.  Absolutely nothing.  The Senate as a whole hasn't done much at all for his tenure there.  And he wants it this way because it benefits the advancement of his ideology.  It's a rare politician that actually sacrifices his own standing and prestige to further what he actually believes is in the best interest of the country.  I genuinely mean that as a compliment, although it's admittedly a back-handed one.  He's a crafty politician.

I don't trust men who are more soft-spoken (and drink less) than my grandmother.


Ah I see. You made the classic mistake of assuming someone with male reproductive organs is a man.
 
2013-02-13 04:55:30 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Magorn: Does it help that he can also probably knock you out?  He used to be a pretty talented Semi-pro boxer apparently

Uh huh. I've heard him simper and lisp about his alleged boxing history, but haven't ever seen any kind of proof of it.


www.theboxinggem.com
 
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