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2013-02-13 03:18:17 PM  

Mirrorz: Seems like if your boss owed you $14-15K you would have stopped working somewhere around when he only owed you a week's pay.


$15K/25 workers = $600 each..... about a weeks pay.
 
2013-02-13 03:19:42 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread

I can fix with that:
now.tufts.edu

From Posto in Sommerville, MA. Farking delicious!
 
2013-02-13 03:20:10 PM  

TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.


Yeah, because the 2-3 other anecdotes in this thread were from....Bar Harbor and San Diego???

\Dumbass.
 
2013-02-13 03:22:33 PM  

China White Tea: Yeah, that sounds like some pretty outrageous stuff there.


Me thinks that is the white washed PR version of the law.


Full law here

How much you want to bet that it harms businesses and screws over workers? Why do I think that? It was written by a lawyer and pasted by the IL government.
 
2013-02-13 03:23:24 PM  
FTA:

Power tools on Corner Table's patio were conspicuously turned on to drown out the din. And in front of the large plate glass window that faced the picket line, a giant white shuttle was pulled around so that the view was entirely blocked.

Ummmm, wait, what?  What kind of power tools?  Did a handful of waiters bust out cordless drills and start dry-firing?  Was the hostess running a leaf blower around?  And what's up with the shuttle mentioned?  It took LA something like three months to get their shuttle moved, but these guys can do it at will?  WTF?

I DEMAND ANSWERS!
 
2013-02-13 03:27:17 PM  
they should have known to jump ship when they tasted the food they were serving at Ruggles.To quote a three year old "Ca Ca Poo Poo"
 
2013-02-13 03:27:20 PM  

hubiestubert: F*ck with cooks' cash at your own peril...


I had no problem with breaking the nose of anyone who farked with my paycheck.
I eventually got hired at a 4 star place on my rep as a not farking around guy as it turned out.

You gotta make your own rep in this world.
 
2013-02-13 03:28:28 PM  

uncleacid: No justice no peace. Did Al Sharpton move to Houston?


I think we should leave Denny alone.
 
2013-02-13 03:29:02 PM  

James F. Campbell: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Here ya go
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You... sick

magnificent ... BASTARD!

I bet it was farking delicious too
 
2013-02-13 03:29:47 PM  

deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
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That is a thing?


Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...
 
2013-02-13 03:32:28 PM  

MythDragon: deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
[img541.imageshack.us image 500x667]

That is a thing?

Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...



Frozen chicken strips are also good on frozen pizza.
 
2013-02-13 03:33:36 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: China White Tea: Yeah, that sounds like some pretty outrageous stuff there.

Me thinks that is the white washed PR version of the law.


Full law here

How much you want to bet that it harms businesses and screws over workers? Why do I think that? It was written by a lawyer and pasted by the IL government.


It was a snippet from National Law Review.  Having read through the text of the law, it seems like it was fairly characterized.
 
2013-02-13 03:34:16 PM  

born_yesterday: Dimensio: Would not waiting quietly and out-of-sight at the place of business until Mr. Molzan left the building, then beating him severely, cutting off a finger and warning that more parts would be removed for every day that workers remained unpaid, work more effectively?

I was gonna say take one or both of his hands, so I'd call your proposal damn reasonable.


Many, many years ago when I worked in the food service industry we had an owner that loved to screw over the kitchen staff on overtime wages.  So one night one of the dishwashers went out back and dumped an entire gallon of that pink "Dish Sanitizer" into the tank of his month-old Mercedes.  Car didn't make it 2 blocks.

/not saying it was right
//just saying I understand...
 
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2013-02-13 03:35:24 PM  

max_pooper: MythDragon: deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
[img541.imageshack.us image 500x667]

That is a thing?

Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...


Frozen chicken strips are also good on frozen pizza.


thing to do is this: get a large frozen pizza, and then get the small single-serve pepperoni pizzas and put them on top. Then on the pepperoni on the single-serve pizzas, add a spoonful of tomato-sauce and some cheese. End up with a fractal pizza.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-13 03:37:15 PM  
The Illinois law seems fairly typical until the last section where punishment for noncompliance is effectively infinite. The part about terminated employees' last paychecks is employer-friendly compared to California.
 
2013-02-13 03:40:52 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
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I am now curious to try that
 
2013-02-13 03:41:30 PM  

Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.


Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.
 
2013-02-13 03:43:40 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
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I don't think that is how that is supposed to work...
 
2013-02-13 03:44:54 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: slayer199: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?

in most states, wages are at the front of the line even to the point that the business owners could be personally liable for them if there is no other money available.


Clearly the guy is jerk face number one. As a business owner, you should really look after your emplyess if you have any dreams of ever working for yourself again.
 
2013-02-13 03:45:45 PM  

m053486: FTA:

Power tools on Corner Table's patio were conspicuously turned on to drown out the din. And in front of the large plate glass window that faced the picket line, a giant white shuttle was pulled around so that the view was entirely blocked.

Ummmm, wait, what?  What kind of power tools?  Did a handful of waiters bust out cordless drills and start dry-firing?  Was the hostess running a leaf blower around?  And what's up with the shuttle mentioned?  It took LA something like three months to get their shuttle moved, but these guys can do it at will?  WTF?

I DEMAND ANSWERS!


perhaps it was these girls?
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2013-02-13 03:50:48 PM  

kevinboehm: I don't think that is how that is supposed to work...


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MythDragon: Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...


I have to try this.
 
2013-02-13 03:50:51 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ha-ha-guy: Restaurants fail and do so frequently.  Assuming the workers got whatever they could when Ruggles was shut down and its assets sold off, it sucks, but protesting the place the former owner is working is just shaking the guy down.

And how many tip threads have we had? Remember you have to tip and tip well because they "live" off tips.

Maybe they get paid better than we think if they are willing to protest outside the restaurant


If they're anything like waitstaff up here, they get about $3 per hour, plus tips.  If the tips are stupendous, you can afford to live in a building with doors and windows, instead of a box.
 
2013-02-13 03:52:45 PM  
Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?
 
2013-02-13 03:54:18 PM  

TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.


As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.
 
2013-02-13 03:56:58 PM  

Maud Dib: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

Yeah, because the 2-3 other anecdotes in this thread were from....Bar Harbor and San Diego???

\Dumbass.


Texas aint gonna sleep with you just because you whiteknight it on Fark.
 
2013-02-13 03:59:20 PM  

Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.


Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.
 
2013-02-13 04:01:51 PM  

IRQ12: Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.

Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.


I guessed you missed the part of the article where he had claimed he would pay all the back wages. It seems like he's just an arsehole.
 
2013-02-13 04:02:39 PM  

umad: As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties.


It's just a way of putting pressure on him to pay up. If I were him, I'd be concerned if a bunch of folks showed up at my new job and started protesting me. Whether he has the money or not, that remains to be seen I guess.

/that darn constitution, always getting in the way.
 
2013-02-13 04:05:09 PM  

umad: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.


In an efficient free market, there are no 'uninvolved third parties'.  If you don't inform yourself of Corner Table's hiring the thieving douchebag, or choose to ignore it, you have only yourself to blame for the phlegm in your pie.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:17 PM  

max_pooper: IRQ12: Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.

Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.

I guessed you missed the part of the article where he had claimed he would pay all the back wages. It seems like he's just an arsehole.


I didn't miss it, but I did read a bit more into it and it does seem like he's a real prize (suing the people who walked out, even though he acknowledged he owed them money).

The point stands though.  There are courts/laws for this kind of thing.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:30 PM  

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Once again the pizza heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor


Also, I think the new restaurant should have checked him out better. If you are in charge of checking out the potential new chef for your place and they have a loyal customer base that may follow them ask if they also any un-paid former employees that will too.
 
2013-02-13 04:27:44 PM  
So is being an asshole a requirement when running a pizza parlor now?
 
2013-02-13 04:28:09 PM  
Tomorrow, I'll be quitting my job.

The problem is that I cannot serve two more weeks. I can give one week's notice, at most. It's because my new employer can't wait. They need someone NOW, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity. I got them to wait one week for me to start.

Anyway, I am scared to even offer my one week's notice at my current employer. Suppose the company doesn't pay me for the week I just finished? Suppose they're pissed that I'm not giving the customary 2 weeks notice and, for my final check, they only pay me minimum wage, instead of the 16 bucks/hour I'm supposed to be earning?

So many ways I could get screwed here....
 
2013-02-13 04:34:35 PM  

IRQ12: max_pooper: IRQ12: Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.

Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.

I guessed you missed the part of the article where he had claimed he would pay all the back wages. It seems like he's just an arsehole.

I didn't miss it, but I did read a bit more into it and it does seem like he's a real prize (suing the people who walked out, even though he acknowledged he owed them money).

The point stands though.  There are courts/laws for this kind of thing.


They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag. I'm sorry but having a chef with a history of ripping off employees, business partners and suppliers reflects poorly on your restaurant. If they want to squelch the protests, they should fire his ass.
 
2013-02-13 04:38:59 PM  
These ex workers probably know full well that they won't see back wages because of bankruptcy filings and such.
I'm guessing that they want to make him and his new bosses as uncomfortable as possible all while informing the public/customers of what a dick this Molzan dude is. Well known chefs view themselves very highly and have major egos and fans that think the same of them.
If nothing else they are screwing with this guys reputation. And that will affect his marketablilty when he's looking for new work.
 
2013-02-13 04:40:29 PM  

doczoidberg


Tomorrow, I'll be quitting my job.

The problem is that I cannot serve two more weeks. I can give one week's notice, at most. It's because my new employer can't wait. They need someone NOW, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity. I got them to wait one week for me to start.

Anyway, I am scared to even offer my one week's notice at my current employer. Suppose the company doesn't pay me for the week I just finished? Suppose they're pissed that I'm not giving the customary 2 weeks notice and, for my final check, they only pay me minimum wage, instead of the 16 bucks/hour I'm supposed to be earning?

So many ways I could get screwed here....


No, there aren't.

1) Your employer cannot decide on a whim to pay you minimum wage for your last week.

2) Your employer can tell you you're done and to get out as soon as you give notice, so in that sense you might not get paid for the last week.

3) If you think 2) is going to happen, wait and give notice next week when it won't matter. This is kind of bridge-burny, so be careful.

3a) If 2) does happen you should also be able to start the new job early.

4) Two weeks is customary, not carved in stone. Your employer can let you go with no notice; you can let them go likewise.
 
2013-02-13 04:40:42 PM  

TheOther: umad: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.

In an efficient free market, there are no 'uninvolved third parties'.  If you don't inform yourself of Corner Table's hiring the thieving douchebag, or choose to ignore it, you have only yourself to blame for the phlegm in your pie.


Ah, so you base your actions on imaginary things like "efficient free markets". That shouldn't surprise me though, given your apparent retardation.

I will get my revenge on you by refusing to tip any waiter or delivery boy from now on.
 
2013-02-13 04:42:40 PM  
max_pooper: They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag  ...

Yes, they do.  Good job on them for removing any sympathy I would have for them by trying to basically blackmail the new business because of an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Should we expand this to all areas of life/business?  I can go protest your place of work as if they are the person I have a grievance with when it was you who harmed me?

"CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"
"RED LOBSTER STOLE 10$ FROM ME IN 9th GRADE GYM!!!!"
 
2013-02-13 04:43:18 PM  

umad: TheOther: umad: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.

In an efficient free market, there are no 'uninvolved third parties'.  If you don't inform yourself of Corner Table's hiring the thieving douchebag, or choose to ignore it, you have only yourself to blame for the phlegm in your pie.

Ah, so you base your actions on imaginary things like "efficient free markets". That shouldn't surprise me though, given your apparent retardation.

I will get my revenge on you by refusing to tip any waiter or delivery boy from now on.


"urk...urk...ptooey!"
 
2013-02-13 04:52:45 PM  

IRQ12: max_pooper: They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag  ...

Yes, they do.  Good job on them for removing any sympathy I would have for them by trying to basically blackmail the new business because of an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Should we expand this to all areas of life/business?  I can go protest your place of work as if they are the person I have a grievance with when it was you who harmed me?

"CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"
"RED LOBSTER STOLE 10$ FROM ME IN 9th GRADE GYM!!!!"


This isn't a bus boy that stole your parking spot. This is a restaurant hiring a thief as a chef. The chef is most definitely a representative of the restaurant, not simply an employee. Like I said, if the new restaurant doesn't want the chef's history reflecting poorly on them they need to fire his as. If the protestors succeed in effecting their bottom line, they'll get a new chef. With any luck he won't be able to find employment as a chef anywhere in the city.
 
2013-02-13 04:59:09 PM  

TheOther: Maud Dib: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

Yeah, because the 2-3 other anecdotes in this thread were from....Bar Harbor and San Diego???

\Dumbass.

Texas aint gonna sleep with you just because you whiteknight it on Fark.


No, but my wife, who is a Texas gal born and raised, will.
 
2013-02-13 04:59:18 PM  

Dimensio: Would not waiting quietly and out-of-sight at the place of business until Mr. Molzan left the building, then beating him severely, cutting off a finger and warning that more parts would be removed for every day that workers remained unpaid, work more effectively?


I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter...
 
2013-02-13 05:01:02 PM  
Kraftwerk Orange:   Anything else we should consider?

They're paying taxes on the higher amount, too, which makes no sense if they paid her the lesser amount.  Why not sue them in small claims court for the balance?  Bring your correspondence and notes from phone calls as well as the check stubs and especially the W2 showing the amount she should have been paid.

/Not a lawyer
 
2013-02-13 05:02:46 PM  
I doubt I'll change your mind on this but the fact is they are doing harm to another business to do harm to him.  That is wrong and you are wrong no matter how you spin it.

 "Eat somewhere that pays your workers!" yelled a few women from the picket line.

Yes, seems like a completely fair scenario, and exactly the same as  "CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"  regardless of that the insinuated lie is.
 
2013-02-13 05:04:08 PM  

max_pooper: IRQ12: max_pooper: They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag  ...

Yes, they do.  Good job on them for removing any sympathy I would have for them by trying to basically blackmail the new business because of an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Should we expand this to all areas of life/business?  I can go protest your place of work as if they are the person I have a grievance with when it was you who harmed me?

"CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"
"RED LOBSTER STOLE 10$ FROM ME IN 9th GRADE GYM!!!!"

This isn't a bus boy that stole your parking spot. This is a restaurant hiring a thief as a chef. The chef is most definitely a representative of the restaurant, not simply an employee. Like I said, if the new restaurant doesn't want the chef's history reflecting poorly on them they need to fire his as. If the protestors succeed in effecting their bottom line, they'll get a new chef. With any luck he won't be able to find employment as a chef anywhere in the city.


"Hi!  Can you tell us why you were let go from your last job?"

"Well, when I was placed in charge of finances and management of a modest group of people, I robbed them blind, and it came back to bite me in the ass."
 
2013-02-13 05:04:08 PM  

Mirrorz: Seems like if your boss owed you $14-15K you would have stopped working somewhere around when he only owed you a week's pay.


Seems like if the total owed to the 20+ people protesting is $14-$15K, it might just be a week's pay...

\or 2
 
2013-02-13 05:05:35 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?


Here's a link for the Michigan law:   http://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis/Brochure154_9_25_06_173899_7.pd f
(It is actually a poster that goes up on the workplace bulletin board, your state or province laws may vary.)

Here is what the link before the form looks like:   http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/email_parser/before_filing_wage_claim.htm

Here is a link for the actual form:   http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/email_parser/wage_hour_complaint3a.htm?Su b mit=Continue


Your state or province should have a website with a Department of Labor (or business, depending on which side of the aisle the current guv'nor sits) with a similar form.  I hope that you do file a complaint, since many small businesses run on the model of "screw the employees, and hope that they are too timid to complain, file suit, or follow up on the matter".

There is also the option of going to a labor lawyer, but many will not take a case unless there is the possibility of class action status.  Not too much vig for a 2 month wage case.  Likewise, too many labor lawyers are business side, not labor side, since the scales of justice tend to tip in the direction of the greater resources.  (Otherwise, I'd get a J.D.)  Of course, there is always legalzoom.com, but I have never tried them, so caveat emptor.

I noticed that for Michigan, that the statute of limitations for wages below minimum wage or unpaid overtime is 3 years, while the statute of limitations for unpaid wages or benefits is only one year.  So, if you are going to stiff your employees, stiff them all the way!
 
2013-02-13 05:11:36 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?


Take them to court.  If they can't produce canceled checks for the total amount, then they'll need to issue checks for what they can't substantiate.

\also, set their house(s) on fire
 
2013-02-13 05:11:48 PM  

slayer199: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?


The business did not go bankrupt, he just shut it down.
 
2013-02-13 05:12:52 PM  

IRQ12: I doubt I'll change your mind on this but the fact is they are doing harm to another business to do harm to him.  That is wrong and you are wrong no matter how you spin it.



No it isn't. The new business is not without fault. They knew full well that they hired a thief to represent them. They deserve any fallout they get for it.

It would be no different if Bernie Madoff made parole and got hired to be the CEO of Merrill Lynch.
 
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