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(Houston Press)   25 employees protest outside chef's restaurant demanding $15,000 owed in back wages, chef sends out two pizzas as compensation   (blogs.houstonpress.com) divider line 133
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2013-02-13 01:11:49 PM  
Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?
 
2013-02-13 01:30:05 PM  

Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?



Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.
 
2013-02-13 01:31:43 PM  

Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.


exactly.  TFA also states that the guy doesn't question the fact that he woes them money - he simply has never paid it.
 
2013-02-13 01:34:02 PM  

Dixon Cider: Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Uh....The protesters were mostly waiters themselves, along with other kitchen workers who say that Molzan still owes them back wages from his now-closed restaurant, Ruggles Grill.
 
2013-02-13 01:34:20 PM  
Why is he not charged with theft of services?
 
2013-02-13 01:38:11 PM  

TommyymmoT: Why is he not charged with theft of services?


Because it's not?
 
2013-02-13 01:38:58 PM  

Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Kinda.

When the wife and I moved to Mass, we discovered that my last check from Bar Harbor had bounced. Included my bonus for the season and two 65 hour weeks since the KM was fired before the end of the season for fooling around with one of the slightly underage waitresses.

Made some calls, and lo the office number was disconnected. Made a call to his accountant and that was disconnected. Made a few more calls, and all the staff had their last checks bounce. Tried his home, and that was disconnected. Called the bank, and they said they couldn't help. Called the police and got in touch with a detective who was investigating the fella because EVERY check he'd written, including his car registration had bounced that last week.

Then I remembered that Gary and my wife's boss had mentioned that they were going to catch up on Pebble Beach to play golf. Called the detective, and a few days later the SCHP picked him up for driving an unregistered vehicle, and were getting ready to ship him back to Maine for fraud. The next day Gary called me up to apologize for a big "misunderstanding." Got my $3K by wire the next day, and by that time I'd made sure that all the staff who got stuffed, and the distributors had his number.

F*ck with cooks' cash at your own peril...
 
2013-02-13 01:39:35 PM  
not enough dough
 
2013-02-13 01:49:55 PM  
The loss of Felix was worse than the loss of Ruggles IMO.
 
2013-02-13 02:04:03 PM  
I was wondering if he had his hands tied because the business went bankrupt, or something like that.

So I looked it up.

Nope, he's just an asshole.
 
2013-02-13 02:12:58 PM  
Asinine?

Where hero tag WHUR?!?
 
2013-02-13 02:13:17 PM  
Seems like there's more to the story.  If the other restaurant went out-of-business, then the old business would be responsible for paying the waitstaff after the other creditors.
 
2013-02-13 02:26:05 PM  

Krieghund: Nope, he's just an asshole.


Agreed.

However putting another person's company in danger isn't the answer. You're risking all those jobs and money for the fault of someone else! Yeah you could get him fired, however he would use that as an excuse not to pay.

Go protest at his house.
 
2013-02-13 02:40:16 PM  

kronicfeld: Dixon Cider: Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?

Uh....The protesters were mostly waiters themselves, along with other kitchen workers who say that Molzan still owes them back wages from his now-closed restaurant, Ruggles Grill.


"But Molzan is not an owner at Corner Table. That would be Darla Lexington, longtime companion to famous Texas lawyer <a data-cke-saved-href="http://texaslawyer.typepad.com/texas_lawyer_blog/ 2012/01/darla-lexingt on-settles-dispute-with-john-oquinn-estate-foundation.html">John O'Quinn, who died in a car accident in 2009."


Uh... what?
 
2013-02-13 02:45:09 PM  
I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.
 
2013-02-13 02:45:15 PM  

Dixon Cider: Uh... what?


See if you can follow.

Corner Table is the new restaurant where Molzan works. The protesters were unpaid when they worked for Ruffles, which was the prior restaurant that Molzan owned. So they are pissed at the owner (Molzan) of the original restaurant (Ruffles) and are protesting him - Molzan - at the restaurant where he is now employed.
 
2013-02-13 02:47:51 PM  

TommyymmoT: Why is he not charged with theft of services?


Because hes one of the holy "job creators"? He can do no wrong.

Now if the employees had stolen $15k from their boss, they'd probably be doing jail time by now.
 
m00
2013-02-13 02:49:41 PM  

kronicfeld: Dixon Cider: Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?

Uh....The protesters were mostly waiters themselves, along with other kitchen workers who say that Molzan still owes them back wages from his now-closed restaurant, Ruggles Grill.


So how much should they be tipped for the protest?
 
2013-02-13 02:49:50 PM  
Would not waiting quietly and out-of-sight at the place of business until Mr. Molzan left the building, then beating him severely, cutting off a finger and warning that more parts would be removed for every day that workers remained unpaid, work more effectively?
 
2013-02-13 02:51:21 PM  
World's over populated. Just set him on fire and be done with it.
 
2013-02-13 02:52:16 PM  

HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.


I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?
 
2013-02-13 02:52:37 PM  
That's my answer for everything.
 
2013-02-13 02:53:06 PM  

Dimensio: Would not waiting quietly and out-of-sight at the place of business until Mr. Molzan left the building, then beating him severely, cutting off a finger and warning that more parts would be removed for every day that workers remained unpaid, work more effectively?


I was gonna say take one or both of his hands, so I'd call your proposal damn reasonable.
 
2013-02-13 02:54:47 PM  
This is what happens if you take a job at a place with a dumb name....
 
2013-02-13 02:56:34 PM  
It's called "making a counter-offer".
 
2013-02-13 02:56:36 PM  
Who cares? Servers are sub-human peons! Get a better job, morans!
 
2013-02-13 02:56:45 PM  
Vote GOP and stick it to these mooching freeloaders who are harassing a True Patriot Job Creator.
 
2013-02-13 02:56:59 PM  
FTA: "Corner Table's managers and valets scurried outside amid chants of "Ruggles workers are still in the struggle!""

They need someone to come up with a better slogan than that. The rhythm of the sentence takes away from the impact of the rhyme. And perhaps they shouldn't even use "struggle" because the "s" in Ruggles makes the whole thing a little awkward-sounding. The chant is supposed to sound catchy so people will remember it.
 
2013-02-13 02:57:57 PM  
What's this world coming to when workers demand to be paid for their labor? We should make this the next big fight for the GOP
 
2013-02-13 02:58:01 PM  

kronicfeld: Dixon Cider: Uh... what?

See if you can follow.

Corner Table is the new restaurant where Molzan works. The protesters were unpaid when they worked for Ruffles, which was the prior restaurant that Molzan owned. So they are pissed at the owner (Molzan) of the original restaurant (Ruffles) and are protesting him - Molzan - at the restaurant where he is now employed.


Gotcha.. got the streams crossed!

..!., none the less!
 
2013-02-13 02:58:42 PM  
I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.
 
2013-02-13 02:59:21 PM  

kronicfeld: TommyymmoT: Why is he not charged with theft of services?

Because it's not?


Employment law varies by state, but most likely the only chance they have is a class action law suit.  Unfortunately if the owner filed bankruptcy (or oodles of other loopholes) he can get financially off the hook for back wages.  It is actually quite a common exploitation of the laws that protect businesses.
 
2013-02-13 03:00:39 PM  
The price makes sense when you realize he paid in BTCs.
 
2013-02-13 03:01:53 PM  

HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.


You wouldn't be in jail but you could be sued by said employee.

/the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act is yet another reason not to do business in Illinois
 
2013-02-13 03:01:59 PM  
No justice no peace. Did Al Sharpton move to Houston?
 
2013-02-13 03:02:55 PM  

slayer199: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?


in most states, wages are at the front of the line even to the point that the business owners could be personally liable for them if there is no other money available.
 
2013-02-13 03:02:55 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.


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2013-02-13 03:05:15 PM  
Restaurants fail and do so frequently.  Assuming the workers got whatever they could when Ruggles was shut down and its assets sold off, it sucks, but protesting the place the former owner is working is just shaking the guy down.
 
2013-02-13 03:05:57 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.


I'll just leave this delicious Mamma Cozzi here:

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2013-02-13 03:06:59 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: in most states, wages are at the front of the line even to the point that the business owners could be personally liable for them if there is no other money available.


To further extrapolate....shouldn't the prior business be held liable or the chef (former owner) be held liable in court.  Seems like protesting is not going to solve anything when this should be a legal issue.
 
2013-02-13 03:07:32 PM  

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/so very hungry.

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2013-02-13 03:07:32 PM  

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2013-02-13 03:11:45 PM  

hubiestubert: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?

Kinda.

When the wife and I moved to Mass, we discovered that my last check from Bar Harbor had bounced. Included my bonus for the season and two 65 hour weeks since the KM was fired before the end of the season for fooling around with one of the slightly underage waitresses.

Made some calls, and lo the office number was disconnected. Made a call to his accountant and that was disconnected. Made a few more calls, and all the staff had their last checks bounce. Tried his home, and that was disconnected. Called the bank, and they said they couldn't help. Called the police and got in touch with a detective who was investigating the fella because EVERY check he'd written, including his car registration had bounced that last week.

Then I remembered that Gary and my wife's boss had mentioned that they were going to catch up on Pebble Beach to play golf. Called the detective, and a few days later the SCHP picked him up for driving an unregistered vehicle, and were getting ready to ship him back to Maine for fraud. The next day Gary called me up to apologize for a big "misunderstanding." Got my $3K by wire the next day, and by that time I'd made sure that all the staff who got stuffed, and the distributors had his number.

F*ck with cooks' cash at your own peril...


You're lucky you got your money.... my son was a sous at a place in downtown San Diego called Bondi. Everyone showed up for work one day, the place was locked up and all of their paychecks bounced. The owners all skipped town back to Australia. To make matters worse, they also hadn't been paying payroll taxes they had been deducting so the unemployment office had no record of him working for the preceding 18 months - no unemployment benefits.
 
2013-02-13 03:12:15 PM  

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That is a thing?
 
2013-02-13 03:12:42 PM  
Seems like if your boss owed you $14-15K you would have stopped working somewhere around when he only owed you a week's pay.
 
2013-02-13 03:13:56 PM  

gingerjet: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

You wouldn't be in jail but you could be sued by said employee.

/the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act is yet another reason not to do business in Illinois


"The IWPCA requires employers to pay their employees within a specific number of days after compensation is earned. For employees who have quit or been terminated, the act also requires employers to pay final compensation at the time of separation (if possible) but no later than the next regularly scheduled payday. Finally, the IWPCA prohibits employers from withholding any amount unless an employee has authorized the withholding in writing. The only exceptions are sums owed pursuant to a valid wage assignment or wage deduction order, as well as insurance and pension payments. "

Yeah, that sounds like some pretty outrageous stuff there.
 
2013-02-13 03:14:50 PM  
What the protesters did not know is that there was $250,000 in cash baked into the pizzas. They received their money, then they voluntarily gave it back to their boss showing a strong sign of their loyalty.

They better go home now, I guess.
 
2013-02-13 03:16:02 PM  
I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.
 
2013-02-13 03:16:15 PM  

Mirrorz: Seems like if your boss owed you $14-15K you would have stopped working somewhere around when he only owed you a week's pay.


Its seems as if you did not read the article. The old boss owes $14-15K in total to the employees, not each. It probably accounts for the last pay checks these folks were due before they business shuttered.
 
2013-02-13 03:17:30 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Restaurants fail and do so frequently.  Assuming the workers got whatever they could when Ruggles was shut down and its assets sold off, it sucks, but protesting the place the former owner is working is just shaking the guy down.


And how many tip threads have we had? Remember you have to tip and tip well because they "live" off tips.

Maybe they get paid better than we think if they are willing to protest outside the restaurant
 
2013-02-13 03:18:17 PM  

Mirrorz: Seems like if your boss owed you $14-15K you would have stopped working somewhere around when he only owed you a week's pay.


$15K/25 workers = $600 each..... about a weeks pay.
 
2013-02-13 03:19:42 PM  

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I can fix with that:
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From Posto in Sommerville, MA. Farking delicious!
 
2013-02-13 03:20:10 PM  

TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.


Yeah, because the 2-3 other anecdotes in this thread were from....Bar Harbor and San Diego???

\Dumbass.
 
2013-02-13 03:22:33 PM  

China White Tea: Yeah, that sounds like some pretty outrageous stuff there.


Me thinks that is the white washed PR version of the law.


Full law here

How much you want to bet that it harms businesses and screws over workers? Why do I think that? It was written by a lawyer and pasted by the IL government.
 
2013-02-13 03:23:24 PM  
FTA:

Power tools on Corner Table's patio were conspicuously turned on to drown out the din. And in front of the large plate glass window that faced the picket line, a giant white shuttle was pulled around so that the view was entirely blocked.

Ummmm, wait, what?  What kind of power tools?  Did a handful of waiters bust out cordless drills and start dry-firing?  Was the hostess running a leaf blower around?  And what's up with the shuttle mentioned?  It took LA something like three months to get their shuttle moved, but these guys can do it at will?  WTF?

I DEMAND ANSWERS!
 
2013-02-13 03:27:17 PM  
they should have known to jump ship when they tasted the food they were serving at Ruggles.To quote a three year old "Ca Ca Poo Poo"
 
2013-02-13 03:27:20 PM  

hubiestubert: F*ck with cooks' cash at your own peril...


I had no problem with breaking the nose of anyone who farked with my paycheck.
I eventually got hired at a 4 star place on my rep as a not farking around guy as it turned out.

You gotta make your own rep in this world.
 
2013-02-13 03:28:28 PM  

uncleacid: No justice no peace. Did Al Sharpton move to Houston?


I think we should leave Denny alone.
 
2013-02-13 03:29:02 PM  

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You... sick

magnificent ... BASTARD!

I bet it was farking delicious too
 
2013-02-13 03:29:47 PM  

deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
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That is a thing?


Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...
 
2013-02-13 03:32:28 PM  

MythDragon: deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
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That is a thing?

Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...



Frozen chicken strips are also good on frozen pizza.
 
2013-02-13 03:33:36 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: China White Tea: Yeah, that sounds like some pretty outrageous stuff there.

Me thinks that is the white washed PR version of the law.


Full law here

How much you want to bet that it harms businesses and screws over workers? Why do I think that? It was written by a lawyer and pasted by the IL government.


It was a snippet from National Law Review.  Having read through the text of the law, it seems like it was fairly characterized.
 
2013-02-13 03:34:16 PM  

born_yesterday: Dimensio: Would not waiting quietly and out-of-sight at the place of business until Mr. Molzan left the building, then beating him severely, cutting off a finger and warning that more parts would be removed for every day that workers remained unpaid, work more effectively?

I was gonna say take one or both of his hands, so I'd call your proposal damn reasonable.


Many, many years ago when I worked in the food service industry we had an owner that loved to screw over the kitchen staff on overtime wages.  So one night one of the dishwashers went out back and dumped an entire gallon of that pink "Dish Sanitizer" into the tank of his month-old Mercedes.  Car didn't make it 2 blocks.

/not saying it was right
//just saying I understand...
 
m00
2013-02-13 03:35:24 PM  

max_pooper: MythDragon: deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
[img541.imageshack.us image 500x667]

That is a thing?

Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...


Frozen chicken strips are also good on frozen pizza.


thing to do is this: get a large frozen pizza, and then get the small single-serve pepperoni pizzas and put them on top. Then on the pepperoni on the single-serve pizzas, add a spoonful of tomato-sauce and some cheese. End up with a fractal pizza.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-13 03:37:15 PM  
The Illinois law seems fairly typical until the last section where punishment for noncompliance is effectively infinite. The part about terminated employees' last paychecks is employer-friendly compared to California.
 
2013-02-13 03:40:52 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
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I am now curious to try that
 
2013-02-13 03:41:30 PM  

Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.


Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.
 
2013-02-13 03:43:40 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

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I don't think that is how that is supposed to work...
 
2013-02-13 03:44:54 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: slayer199: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?

in most states, wages are at the front of the line even to the point that the business owners could be personally liable for them if there is no other money available.


Clearly the guy is jerk face number one. As a business owner, you should really look after your emplyess if you have any dreams of ever working for yourself again.
 
2013-02-13 03:45:45 PM  

m053486: FTA:

Power tools on Corner Table's patio were conspicuously turned on to drown out the din. And in front of the large plate glass window that faced the picket line, a giant white shuttle was pulled around so that the view was entirely blocked.

Ummmm, wait, what?  What kind of power tools?  Did a handful of waiters bust out cordless drills and start dry-firing?  Was the hostess running a leaf blower around?  And what's up with the shuttle mentioned?  It took LA something like three months to get their shuttle moved, but these guys can do it at will?  WTF?

I DEMAND ANSWERS!


perhaps it was these girls?
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2013-02-13 03:50:48 PM  

kevinboehm: I don't think that is how that is supposed to work...


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MythDragon: Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...


I have to try this.
 
2013-02-13 03:50:51 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ha-ha-guy: Restaurants fail and do so frequently.  Assuming the workers got whatever they could when Ruggles was shut down and its assets sold off, it sucks, but protesting the place the former owner is working is just shaking the guy down.

And how many tip threads have we had? Remember you have to tip and tip well because they "live" off tips.

Maybe they get paid better than we think if they are willing to protest outside the restaurant


If they're anything like waitstaff up here, they get about $3 per hour, plus tips.  If the tips are stupendous, you can afford to live in a building with doors and windows, instead of a box.
 
2013-02-13 03:52:45 PM  
Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?
 
2013-02-13 03:54:18 PM  

TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.


As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.
 
2013-02-13 03:56:58 PM  

Maud Dib: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

Yeah, because the 2-3 other anecdotes in this thread were from....Bar Harbor and San Diego???

\Dumbass.


Texas aint gonna sleep with you just because you whiteknight it on Fark.
 
2013-02-13 03:59:20 PM  

Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.


Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.
 
2013-02-13 04:01:51 PM  

IRQ12: Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.

Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.


I guessed you missed the part of the article where he had claimed he would pay all the back wages. It seems like he's just an arsehole.
 
2013-02-13 04:02:39 PM  

umad: As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties.


It's just a way of putting pressure on him to pay up. If I were him, I'd be concerned if a bunch of folks showed up at my new job and started protesting me. Whether he has the money or not, that remains to be seen I guess.

/that darn constitution, always getting in the way.
 
2013-02-13 04:05:09 PM  

umad: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.


In an efficient free market, there are no 'uninvolved third parties'.  If you don't inform yourself of Corner Table's hiring the thieving douchebag, or choose to ignore it, you have only yourself to blame for the phlegm in your pie.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:17 PM  

max_pooper: IRQ12: Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.

Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.

I guessed you missed the part of the article where he had claimed he would pay all the back wages. It seems like he's just an arsehole.


I didn't miss it, but I did read a bit more into it and it does seem like he's a real prize (suing the people who walked out, even though he acknowledged he owed them money).

The point stands though.  There are courts/laws for this kind of thing.
 
2013-02-13 04:20:30 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

Once again the pizza heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor

Also, I think the new restaurant should have checked him out better. If you are in charge of checking out the potential new chef for your place and they have a loyal customer base that may follow them ask if they also any un-paid former employees that will too.
 
2013-02-13 04:27:44 PM  
So is being an asshole a requirement when running a pizza parlor now?
 
2013-02-13 04:28:09 PM  
Tomorrow, I'll be quitting my job.

The problem is that I cannot serve two more weeks. I can give one week's notice, at most. It's because my new employer can't wait. They need someone NOW, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity. I got them to wait one week for me to start.

Anyway, I am scared to even offer my one week's notice at my current employer. Suppose the company doesn't pay me for the week I just finished? Suppose they're pissed that I'm not giving the customary 2 weeks notice and, for my final check, they only pay me minimum wage, instead of the 16 bucks/hour I'm supposed to be earning?

So many ways I could get screwed here....
 
2013-02-13 04:34:35 PM  

IRQ12: max_pooper: IRQ12: Tommy Moo: Sybarite: Dixon Cider: Seems the demonstration was misguided and pointed at the wrong person...
Shouldn't they be pissed at the owner of the original restaurant?


Sounds like they are. He's just now a chef at a different restaurant rather than an enterprise of his own. They're making his new job difficult until he pays what he (allegedly) owes them.

Sorry to these people, but this is what an LLC is for. Unless they can "pierce the veil" and show that the restaurant had a ton of cash that he made off with in his pocket, he's in the same boat. I owned a dive bar once. I never made a dime off of it. We scraped and scrounged at the end, and when we finally declared bankruptcy, not everyone got everything they were owed. Fortunately we were able to make a priority out of getting wages to our employees (which we did #1 before anything else), but the last month of rent wasn't paid, and the DirecTV people never got their money.

I am not the LLC. The landlord might want to come to my new place of business (where I am an employee) and protest, but I don't have to dig into my salary at my new job to pay him money the corporation owed him.

Exactly, the truth is that a lot of business owners  (especially restaurants)  fight to the bitter end to keep the doors open and 'making payroll' is usually the last bill to fall and the doors close.  I don't know who this is personally but I doubt he had the money then or has the money now to pay them.

They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.

I guessed you missed the part of the article where he had claimed he would pay all the back wages. It seems like he's just an arsehole.

I didn't miss it, but I did read a bit more into it and it does seem like he's a real prize (suing the people who walked out, even though he acknowledged he owed them money).

The point stands though.  There are courts/laws for this kind of thing.


They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag. I'm sorry but having a chef with a history of ripping off employees, business partners and suppliers reflects poorly on your restaurant. If they want to squelch the protests, they should fire his ass.
 
2013-02-13 04:38:59 PM  
These ex workers probably know full well that they won't see back wages because of bankruptcy filings and such.
I'm guessing that they want to make him and his new bosses as uncomfortable as possible all while informing the public/customers of what a dick this Molzan dude is. Well known chefs view themselves very highly and have major egos and fans that think the same of them.
If nothing else they are screwing with this guys reputation. And that will affect his marketablilty when he's looking for new work.
 
2013-02-13 04:40:29 PM  

doczoidberg


Tomorrow, I'll be quitting my job.

The problem is that I cannot serve two more weeks. I can give one week's notice, at most. It's because my new employer can't wait. They need someone NOW, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity. I got them to wait one week for me to start.

Anyway, I am scared to even offer my one week's notice at my current employer. Suppose the company doesn't pay me for the week I just finished? Suppose they're pissed that I'm not giving the customary 2 weeks notice and, for my final check, they only pay me minimum wage, instead of the 16 bucks/hour I'm supposed to be earning?

So many ways I could get screwed here....


No, there aren't.

1) Your employer cannot decide on a whim to pay you minimum wage for your last week.

2) Your employer can tell you you're done and to get out as soon as you give notice, so in that sense you might not get paid for the last week.

3) If you think 2) is going to happen, wait and give notice next week when it won't matter. This is kind of bridge-burny, so be careful.

3a) If 2) does happen you should also be able to start the new job early.

4) Two weeks is customary, not carved in stone. Your employer can let you go with no notice; you can let them go likewise.
 
2013-02-13 04:40:42 PM  

TheOther: umad: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.

In an efficient free market, there are no 'uninvolved third parties'.  If you don't inform yourself of Corner Table's hiring the thieving douchebag, or choose to ignore it, you have only yourself to blame for the phlegm in your pie.


Ah, so you base your actions on imaginary things like "efficient free markets". That shouldn't surprise me though, given your apparent retardation.

I will get my revenge on you by refusing to tip any waiter or delivery boy from now on.
 
2013-02-13 04:42:40 PM  
max_pooper: They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag  ...

Yes, they do.  Good job on them for removing any sympathy I would have for them by trying to basically blackmail the new business because of an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Should we expand this to all areas of life/business?  I can go protest your place of work as if they are the person I have a grievance with when it was you who harmed me?

"CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"
"RED LOBSTER STOLE 10$ FROM ME IN 9th GRADE GYM!!!!"
 
2013-02-13 04:43:18 PM  

umad: TheOther: umad: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

As a fellow human of low intelligence, I wholeheartedly support getting revenge by attacking uninvolved third parties. I also wish I were more intelligent so that I could be qualified to be more than a waiter.

In an efficient free market, there are no 'uninvolved third parties'.  If you don't inform yourself of Corner Table's hiring the thieving douchebag, or choose to ignore it, you have only yourself to blame for the phlegm in your pie.

Ah, so you base your actions on imaginary things like "efficient free markets". That shouldn't surprise me though, given your apparent retardation.

I will get my revenge on you by refusing to tip any waiter or delivery boy from now on.


"urk...urk...ptooey!"
 
2013-02-13 04:52:45 PM  

IRQ12: max_pooper: They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag  ...

Yes, they do.  Good job on them for removing any sympathy I would have for them by trying to basically blackmail the new business because of an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Should we expand this to all areas of life/business?  I can go protest your place of work as if they are the person I have a grievance with when it was you who harmed me?

"CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"
"RED LOBSTER STOLE 10$ FROM ME IN 9th GRADE GYM!!!!"


This isn't a bus boy that stole your parking spot. This is a restaurant hiring a thief as a chef. The chef is most definitely a representative of the restaurant, not simply an employee. Like I said, if the new restaurant doesn't want the chef's history reflecting poorly on them they need to fire his as. If the protestors succeed in effecting their bottom line, they'll get a new chef. With any luck he won't be able to find employment as a chef anywhere in the city.
 
2013-02-13 04:59:09 PM  

TheOther: Maud Dib: TheOther: I hope the patrons at Corner Table like their dinner with extra, EXTRA spit.

Stealing from poor cooks and servers is just so...Texas.

Yeah, because the 2-3 other anecdotes in this thread were from....Bar Harbor and San Diego???

\Dumbass.

Texas aint gonna sleep with you just because you whiteknight it on Fark.


No, but my wife, who is a Texas gal born and raised, will.
 
2013-02-13 04:59:18 PM  

Dimensio: Would not waiting quietly and out-of-sight at the place of business until Mr. Molzan left the building, then beating him severely, cutting off a finger and warning that more parts would be removed for every day that workers remained unpaid, work more effectively?


I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter...
 
2013-02-13 05:01:02 PM  
Kraftwerk Orange:   Anything else we should consider?

They're paying taxes on the higher amount, too, which makes no sense if they paid her the lesser amount.  Why not sue them in small claims court for the balance?  Bring your correspondence and notes from phone calls as well as the check stubs and especially the W2 showing the amount she should have been paid.

/Not a lawyer
 
2013-02-13 05:02:46 PM  
I doubt I'll change your mind on this but the fact is they are doing harm to another business to do harm to him.  That is wrong and you are wrong no matter how you spin it.

 "Eat somewhere that pays your workers!" yelled a few women from the picket line.

Yes, seems like a completely fair scenario, and exactly the same as  "CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"  regardless of that the insinuated lie is.
 
2013-02-13 05:04:08 PM  

max_pooper: IRQ12: max_pooper: They have every right to protest the new restaurant that hired the thieving scum bag  ...

Yes, they do.  Good job on them for removing any sympathy I would have for them by trying to basically blackmail the new business because of an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Should we expand this to all areas of life/business?  I can go protest your place of work as if they are the person I have a grievance with when it was you who harmed me?

"CHILLI'S CHEATS ON THEIR GIRLFRIEND!!!!"
"RED LOBSTER STOLE 10$ FROM ME IN 9th GRADE GYM!!!!"

This isn't a bus boy that stole your parking spot. This is a restaurant hiring a thief as a chef. The chef is most definitely a representative of the restaurant, not simply an employee. Like I said, if the new restaurant doesn't want the chef's history reflecting poorly on them they need to fire his as. If the protestors succeed in effecting their bottom line, they'll get a new chef. With any luck he won't be able to find employment as a chef anywhere in the city.


"Hi!  Can you tell us why you were let go from your last job?"

"Well, when I was placed in charge of finances and management of a modest group of people, I robbed them blind, and it came back to bite me in the ass."
 
2013-02-13 05:04:08 PM  

Mirrorz: Seems like if your boss owed you $14-15K you would have stopped working somewhere around when he only owed you a week's pay.


Seems like if the total owed to the 20+ people protesting is $14-$15K, it might just be a week's pay...

\or 2
 
2013-02-13 05:05:35 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?


Here's a link for the Michigan law:   http://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis/Brochure154_9_25_06_173899_7.pd f
(It is actually a poster that goes up on the workplace bulletin board, your state or province laws may vary.)

Here is what the link before the form looks like:   http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/email_parser/before_filing_wage_claim.htm

Here is a link for the actual form:   http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/email_parser/wage_hour_complaint3a.htm?Su b mit=Continue


Your state or province should have a website with a Department of Labor (or business, depending on which side of the aisle the current guv'nor sits) with a similar form.  I hope that you do file a complaint, since many small businesses run on the model of "screw the employees, and hope that they are too timid to complain, file suit, or follow up on the matter".

There is also the option of going to a labor lawyer, but many will not take a case unless there is the possibility of class action status.  Not too much vig for a 2 month wage case.  Likewise, too many labor lawyers are business side, not labor side, since the scales of justice tend to tip in the direction of the greater resources.  (Otherwise, I'd get a J.D.)  Of course, there is always legalzoom.com, but I have never tried them, so caveat emptor.

I noticed that for Michigan, that the statute of limitations for wages below minimum wage or unpaid overtime is 3 years, while the statute of limitations for unpaid wages or benefits is only one year.  So, if you are going to stiff your employees, stiff them all the way!
 
2013-02-13 05:11:36 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?


Take them to court.  If they can't produce canceled checks for the total amount, then they'll need to issue checks for what they can't substantiate.

\also, set their house(s) on fire
 
2013-02-13 05:11:48 PM  

slayer199: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?


The business did not go bankrupt, he just shut it down.
 
2013-02-13 05:12:52 PM  

IRQ12: I doubt I'll change your mind on this but the fact is they are doing harm to another business to do harm to him.  That is wrong and you are wrong no matter how you spin it.



No it isn't. The new business is not without fault. They knew full well that they hired a thief to represent them. They deserve any fallout they get for it.

It would be no different if Bernie Madoff made parole and got hired to be the CEO of Merrill Lynch.
 
2013-02-13 05:16:13 PM  
Maud Dib: No, but my wife, who is a Texas gal born and raised, will.

Wow!

Is this her!?

cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-02-13 05:18:02 PM  
Nope, my gal has huge tracts of land.
 
2013-02-13 05:28:47 PM  

m00: max_pooper: MythDragon: deanis: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am ashamed, 28 posts and has yet to turn into a delicious pizza snob thread.

/so very hungry.

Here ya go
[img541.imageshack.us image 500x667]

That is a thing?

Normaly you cook the pizza and cookies seperatly...


Frozen chicken strips are also good on frozen pizza.

thing to do is this: get a large frozen pizza, and then get the small single-serve pepperoni pizzas and put them on top. Then on the pepperoni on the single-serve pizzas, add a spoonful of tomato-sauce and some cheese. End up with a fractal pizza.


Pics or gtfo
 
2013-02-13 05:31:35 PM  
max_pooper:
It would be no different if Bernie Madoff made parole and got hired to be the CEO of Merrill Lynch.

Yes, no different at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA
 
2013-02-13 05:35:24 PM  

IRQ12: max_pooper:
It would be no different if Bernie Madoff made parole and got hired to be the CEO of Merrill Lynch.

Yes, no different at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA


So you believe that a business should be able to hire a known thief to a important position within the organization without any fallout?

They could have hired anyone, they chose to hire a scumbag.  I'm sure if this guy was busing tables for minimum wage, the protestors wouldn't bother.
 
2013-02-13 05:40:02 PM  

Maud Dib: Nope, my gal has huge tracts of land.


i309.photobucket.com

Her?
 
2013-02-13 05:47:20 PM  
he should have just pulled a Jeffrey Zakarian and filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy.
 
2013-02-13 05:49:42 PM  
I was under the impression that he just closed the restaurant, not that he declared bankruptcy. Then again, i didn't read that closely.
 
2013-02-13 06:06:10 PM  

slayer199: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

I guess the question I have is if the business went bankrupt, wouldn't wages be the first thing to get paid or are they at the back of the line?


Secured creditors get paid first.  Then come unsecured creditors, some of whom may have priority. Within priority unsecured creditors lie more priorities:

Administrative Cost Claims are paid first. Administrative claims include all debts incurred by the debtor with court approval after the bankruptcy filing such as: court costs, lawyers' fees, accountants' fees, trustees' expenses, etc.


 Unsecured Post Petition Claims are paid second in an involuntary bankruptcy case. These include claims that arise in the ordinary course of the debtor's business after bankruptcy has been filed.


 Employee Wage Claims that accrued within 90 days of the bankruptcy filing date, or the debtor's cessation of business (up to $4300 per claim) are paid third.


 Contributions to Employee Benefit Plans that arise from services rendered within 180 days before of the bankruptcy filing, or the debtor's cessation of business (up to $4300 per claim) are paid forth.


 Unsecured Farmer and Fishermen Claims, if any, are paid next.


 Unsecured Lay-away Claims are paid sixth (up tp $1800) if a deposit was made on an item not yet received.


 Court Ordered Child and Spousal Support Claims are paid seventh.


 Unsecured Recent Tax Claims (income, sales, excise, property, employment, custom duties) are paid eighth.
 
2013-02-13 06:19:31 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?


File a wage claim with the state labor board, if it's not too late to do so.
 
2013-02-13 06:26:48 PM  

cbathrob: Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?

File a wage claim with the state labor board, if it's not too late to do so.


Sounds like they are claiming deductions for wages they never paid.  I think the IRS would love to hear about that.
 
2013-02-13 06:57:08 PM  

DownDaRiver: These ex workers probably know full well that they won't see back wages because of bankruptcy filings and such.
I'm guessing that they want to make him and his new bosses as uncomfortable as possible all while informing the public/customers of what a dick this Molzan dude is. Well known chefs view themselves very highly and have major egos and fans that think the same of them.
If nothing else they are screwing with this guys reputation. And that will affect his marketablilty when he's looking for new work.


This.  Absolutely nothing wrong with these folks.  God bless 'em.  The chef is locally (in)famous and can afford to pay them what they're owed, LLC bankruptcy be damned.  The man is just a dick (many times over) and they're letting everyone know it.  This other restaurant brought him on for the name recognition.

I own a business, too, and even if the business goes bankrupt I'd do my best to make sure the employees get what they're owed even if it means it comes out of my pocket.  Why?  Because I'm a decent human being, that's why.  Fark this shiathead.
 
2013-02-13 08:25:39 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus:
How much you want to bet that it harms businesses and screws over workers? Why do I think that? It was written by a lawyer and pasted by the IL government.

I read it.  It's pretty straightforward, and essentially says that an employer will play his or her employees in a timely manner, or a bunch of bad things (misdemeanors and REALLY low interest) will happen.  That's pretty much it.  Did you think it offered to hang people up by their thumbs, or something?
 
2013-02-13 09:17:53 PM  
"Notably, companies that make dietary supplements are required to report incidents of adverse effects to the FDA while food makers are not. A spokeswoman for the FDA did not immediately know how many, if any, reports of adverse effects Monster had made to the agency."

And there you have it.  Every time some 12 year old drinks 5 cans of monster and ends up in the ER, they had to report it.  Now they don't.  Better to change the formula a little than kill the golden goose through bad PR.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/13/5188572/monster-changes-label-to-qua l ify.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-02-13 09:18:50 PM  
Ugh, sorry about that "read more here link", this new comment box doesn't work very well and hid it from me.
 
2013-02-13 09:19:37 PM  
Oh and I'm posting in the wrong thread.  Time to go home.
 
2013-02-13 09:39:58 PM  

gingerjet: HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.

You wouldn't be in jail but you could be sued by said employee.

/the Illinois Wage Payment and Collection Act is yet another reason not to do business in Illinois


Right on!  Don't do business in Illinois because of the unreasonable government regulation that forces your to pay your employees!
 
2013-02-13 09:41:20 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Oh and I'm posting in the wrong thread.  Time to go home.


I'm sure all the caffine addicted waiters in this thread appreciate your PSA.
 
2013-02-13 10:27:33 PM  

EmmaLou: I was under the impression that he just closed the restaurant, not that he declared bankruptcy. Then again, i didn't read that closely.


It doesn't really matter.  Either he closed down the restaurant (and perhaps the LLC controlling it) and paid out what bankruptcy court told him to pay out or he didn't go the bankruptcy route.  If he didn't go into bankruptcy than you can just sue that company for wages.  He's either a valid legal target or he isn't, and if he isn't it means some bankruptcy court already handed out whatever it could.

Personally I think the mostly likely thing is the restaurant failed, bankruptcy occurred, the staff got pennies on the dollar because there were only pennies in the restaurant's accounts, and now they are attacking the individual in hopes of pressuring him into using whatever money he is earning at this new job (or was money they did not have legal access to) to pay them off and make him go away.

Given the number of people involved and sum of money, it seems likely he only missed their last pay cycle, which is a sign he was trying to keep the place afloat and it all came crashing down, as opposed to some long term plan to dick them out of their money.  We have bankruptcy laws and the ability for people to get a fresh start in this country for a variety of reasons and continuing to go after this guy really seems to go against the spirit of those ideals.  If he played the system and was living on some gold plated yacht after a ponzi scheme, I could see some outrage, but given he missed one pay cycle and is now working in someone else's restaurant, it seems more like his business venture just failed and everyone suffered.
 
2013-02-13 10:58:12 PM  

ha-ha-guy: EmmaLou: I was under the impression that he just closed the restaurant, not that he declared bankruptcy. Then again, i didn't read that closely.

It doesn't really matter.  Either he closed down the restaurant (and perhaps the LLC controlling it) and paid out what bankruptcy court told him to pay out or he didn't go the bankruptcy route.  If he didn't go into bankruptcy than you can just sue that company for wages.  He's either a valid legal target or he isn't, and if he isn't it means some bankruptcy court already handed out whatever it could.

Personally I think the mostly likely thing is the restaurant failed, bankruptcy occurred, the staff got pennies on the dollar because there were only pennies in the restaurant's accounts, and now they are attacking the individual in hopes of pressuring him into using whatever money he is earning at this new job (or was money they did not have legal access to) to pay them off and make him go away.

Given the number of people involved and sum of money, it seems likely he only missed their last pay cycle, which is a sign he was trying to keep the place afloat and it all came crashing down, as opposed to some long term plan to dick them out of their money.  We have bankruptcy laws and the ability for people to get a fresh start in this country for a variety of reasons and continuing to go after this guy really seems to go against the spirit of those ideals.  If he played the system and was living on some gold plated yacht after a ponzi scheme, I could see some outrage, but given he missed one pay cycle and is now working in someone else's restaurant, it seems more like his business venture just failed and everyone suffered.


I can't any information that indicates that there was a bankruptcy. Also all the current lawsuits he has pending against him would also lead one to believe that he hasn't gone through bankruptcy.
 
2013-02-13 11:17:27 PM  

max_pooper: I can't any information that indicates that there was a bankruptcy. Also all the current lawsuits he has pending against him would also lead one to believe that he hasn't gone through bankruptcy.


If he wasn't going bankrupt, why would he shut it down?  It could be that it hasn't gotten to court yet...   There seems to be more to the story that we're missing here...and inquiring minds want to know.
 
2013-02-13 11:51:29 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: doczoidberg

Tomorrow, I'll be quitting my job.

The problem is that I cannot serve two more weeks. I can give one week's notice, at most. It's because my new employer can't wait. They need someone NOW, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity. I got them to wait one week for me to start.

Anyway, I am scared to even offer my one week's notice at my current employer. Suppose the company doesn't pay me for the week I just finished? Suppose they're pissed that I'm not giving the customary 2 weeks notice and, for my final check, they only pay me minimum wage, instead of the 16 bucks/hour I'm supposed to be earning?

So many ways I could get screwed here....


No, there aren't.

1) Your employer cannot decide on a whim to pay you minimum wage for your last week.

2) Your employer can tell you you're done and to get out as soon as you give notice, so in that sense you might not get paid for the last week.

3) If you think 2) is going to happen, wait and give notice next week when it won't matter. This is kind of bridge-burny, so be careful.

3a) If 2) does happen you should also be able to start the new job early.

4) Two weeks is customary, not carved in stone. Your employer can let you go with no notice; you can let them go likewise.


Just to add to this post, I have seen people be paid minimum wage for their last check if they didn't give enough notice.  That was when employment was gained through a temp service, and it was written in the contract you signed with them.  So as long as you didn't sign something claiming they could do that to you, then you sound safe.
 
2013-02-14 12:22:01 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus
Yeah you could get him fired, however he would use that as an excuse not to pay.

He's already not paying. The threat of getting him fired is leverage to get him to pay. The whole idea is to make it not worth it to keep ripping people off.


Kraftwerk Orange
Anything else we should consider?

Try to contact other current and former employees. After that, it really depends on the size of the company. If it's a large corporation, it might actually be easier in some ways since they're big institutions. If it's a small business, call them and try to sort it out, try to figure out if they're being honest or if they're trying to steal from you. If they honestly think they paid you, it might be as simple as proving they didn't. If they're trying to rob you (especially if there's one particular person who makes the decisions), then the strategy in TFA might work- a campaign of gradually-escalating harassment. Kick it off by bringing 15-20 people to deliver a letter stating exactly what your demands are and a time frame (such as one week), and if they don't pay by then start picketing, talk to current workers about how they're working for thieves, call people they're afraid of (their boss, the owner, whatever), figure out what makes them tick and threaten it. The key is steady escalation, to create the impression that shiat is just going to keep on getting worse unless they give in. If there's some kind of workers center like the one in TFA they might be able to point you to a local group that might be able to help. If there's an IWW chapter around you could try them, although be warned that there's a 50/50 chance of them being really awesome or really dysfunctional in a variety of depressing ways.


IRQ12
They lost a weeks pay, he probably lost everything.

For people making that little money, what's the difference?

There are courts/laws for this kind of thing.

Several years later they might get a court to meekly request that he pay part of what he owes, with no actual enforcement mechanism. That's what happens when poor people try to work within the system.


Englebert Slaptyback
1) Your employer cannot decide on a whim to pay you minimum wage for your last week.

Legally, no. But here in reality that kind of shiat happens all the farking time.
 
2013-02-14 02:21:56 AM  
2 pizzas for $15000? I thought they were expensive in Seattle...


/Try the veal! Your waiter probably only peed on it a little
 
2013-02-14 05:54:10 AM  

kevinboehm: If they're anything like waitstaff up here, they get about $3 per hour, plus tips.


If they're anything like employees in almost any US jurisdiction, they make $7.25/hour or more, regardless of their tips. If they don't they can sue for back wages, because it's not legal to pay them less than that.

/ Not saying that $7.25/hour is great money
// Just saying that tipped employees *never* make less than minimum wage
 
2013-02-14 10:13:44 AM  
Here's a pic of a pie I made last week.....

i296.photobucket.com


I wish I had a wood burning oven....that would be even more better.
 
2013-02-14 11:04:11 AM  

profplump: kevinboehm: If they're anything like waitstaff up here, they get about $3 per hour, plus tips.

If they're anything like employees in almost any US jurisdiction, they make $7.25/hour or more, regardless of their tips. If they don't they can sue for back wages, because it's not legal to pay them less than that.

/ Not saying that $7.25/hour is great money
// Just saying that tipped employees *never* make less than minimum wage


You know how I know that you have never waited tables?  $2.13/hr for tipped employees is standard in many states.
 
2013-02-14 11:13:34 AM  

MylesHeartVodak: profplump: kevinboehm: If they're anything like waitstaff up here, they get about $3 per hour, plus tips.

If they're anything like employees in almost any US jurisdiction, they make $7.25/hour or more, regardless of their tips. If they don't they can sue for back wages, because it's not legal to pay them less than that.

/ Not saying that $7.25/hour is great money
// Just saying that tipped employees *never* make less than minimum wage

You know how I know that you have never waited tables?  $2.13/hr for tipped employees is standard in many states.


You know how I know you are too stupid to be anything more than a waiter? Because you didn't comprehend it the last 100 times that somebody posted "the employer must pay the difference if your wages + tips aren't over minimum wage."
 
2013-02-14 11:58:38 AM  

umad: MylesHeartVodak: profplump: kevinboehm: If they're anything like waitstaff up here, they get about $3 per hour, plus tips.

If they're anything like employees in almost any US jurisdiction, they make $7.25/hour or more, regardless of their tips. If they don't they can sue for back wages, because it's not legal to pay them less than that.

/ Not saying that $7.25/hour is great money
// Just saying that tipped employees *never* make less than minimum wage

You know how I know that you have never waited tables?  $2.13/hr for tipped employees is standard in many states.

You know how I know you are too stupid to be anything more than a waiter? Because you didn't comprehend it the last 100 times that somebody posted "the employer must pay the difference if your wages + tips aren't over minimum wage."


Having worked in the industry for almost 2 decades, sure I've waited tables.  Tended bar.  Managed entire resorts.  Chef now.  Enjoy your little little romance with profplump.  I'm sure that he will be willing after your whiteknighting him.  Read his own quote - that is not what he was saying.
 
2013-02-14 12:50:33 PM  

HyperX: I am not sure how it is somewhere else, but in Illinois, as a business owner, if I didn't pay someone their wages I would be in jail. 1099 contractors are different. But w-2 employees can't be skipped. No matter what.


That's the law. The reality is usually quite a bit different: at best the IRS will dick you for filing false W-2s but even then, if the company is bankrupt they can't do much more than dish out a few fines. The cops will basically tell anyone complaining to pound sand unless you also stiff the government, as in hubie's story, or you've lawyered up. Normally the employee would have to sue... if there's anything left to sue for, since they probably let it ride for a few partial or missing paychecks, while the company sinks even further.
 
2013-02-14 01:04:55 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a question for all you not-really-a-lawyer Farkers:

Mrs. Orange used to work for a company, that didn't pay her wages for two months.  She quit as a result.  They did eventually give her a small check, but not ever the whole amount.  We just wrote it off as the business owners being horrible people.

This year, she gets a W-2 from them, and it has the full wages (that she should have gotten, but never did).  We laughed, then sent the business a letter demanding a corrected W-2 showing what she was actually paid.  We're not going to pay taxes on income she never got.

No response from them yet, so we're ready to call the IRS to see what they think.  Anything else we should consider?


I took my old company to court, got a court order, and it did no good. The sheriff wasn't interested in enforcing the order, so it was effectively toothless. After all of that stress and cost, I ended up just filing an amended W-2 like I should have in the first place. The big downside is that you can't e-file your return, you have to mail it, but the big upside is that you can use whatever numbers are in the tax columns, while you change. You go on the assumption that the business paid their payroll taxes even if they didn't pay you, and if that's not true, the IRS will go after them instead of you.

That company sent me a W-2 for a couple months of work the next year, too, because like an idiot I'd kept working without pay (it was basically a second job at that point) past the new year. So joy, I got to file another amended W-2, but this time as an explanation I just wrote "The bastards never paid me one dime all year." It was accepted. =D
 
2013-02-14 01:06:17 PM  
I should say that if the sheriff is willing to enforce a judgment, it would be hilarious to go ahead and have them start hauling furniture and computers out to sell; that story's come up on Fark before. That was my hope when I got mine, I was pretty bitter. Best of luck!
 
2013-02-14 01:18:11 PM  

doczoidberg: Tomorrow, I'll be quitting my job.

The problem is that I cannot serve two more weeks. I can give one week's notice, at most. It's because my new employer can't wait. They need someone NOW, and I don't want to pass up this opportunity. I got them to wait one week for me to start.

Anyway, I am scared to even offer my one week's notice at my current employer. Suppose the company doesn't pay me for the week I just finished? Suppose they're pissed that I'm not giving the customary 2 weeks notice and, for my final check, they only pay me minimum wage, instead of the 16 bucks/hour I'm supposed to be earning?

So many ways I could get screwed here....


The only way I could see you getting screwed is if your new job folds or cuts you right away, but it's not 2009 anymore, so that chance is low. (Unless you didn't mention having a contract, in which case you could be sued.) The companies so vindictive and stupid that they'll short a quitting employee are rare. Just man up, apologize to your manager, and tell him you're moving on and won't be back Monday. Don't use them as a reference in the future.

If you can't do that, or you want to screw your old company for whatever reason, just have an "accident" or get a "disease" that requires convalescing at home to use up all your sick and vacation time, and once that's gone, tell them you took stock of things and won't be returning. Assuming they don't just tell you not to come back in the first place.

On the off chance you have a dick for a business owner and don't get paid, threaten to file a complaint with the labor board of your state and the DoL, and then do it.
 
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