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2013-02-13 05:58:43 PM  

Anonymocoso: The Triumph, like every other cruise ship, is registered in a 3rd world country to avoid US taxes and regulations.

Why are the taxes that I pay being used to send a US Coast Guard vessel out for this incident?

Why isn't the Bahamian Coast Guard sending a vessel out?


Because it is in the US' Area of Responsibility for search and rescue.  This isn't like some Randian pipe dream where nations ignore ships in distress because they're not getting taxes from said ship.
 
2013-02-13 06:03:14 PM  

Walker: A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?


I went on a cruise once. It was a smaller ship than that one, I had a blast. Probably because it was a smaller ship than that one.

I was just thinking, if they put some sort of walkway between the bottom of the water slide and the two hot tubs, they could probably squeeze another 30 or so deck chairs in there.
 
2013-02-13 06:07:01 PM  
Those wondering about evacuation in an emergency, or if you just want to get nightmares, read about M/S Estoniahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M/S_Estonia
 
2013-02-13 06:07:21 PM  
The SO has a nurse friend who briefly went to work for a cruise ship. He said the only doctor on board running all medical care was a foreign guy who had exactly one year of residency before dropping out. The nurse ultimately quite because he was being asked to do so many unethical things he feared losing his license. At one point he had to go over his supervisors head for refusing to have a patient suffering a heart attack airlifted out ("cause it cost $25k") and tell the captain in order to save the patient's life.

/yeah, I'll pass on the cruise, thanks
 
2013-02-13 06:18:26 PM  

nymersic: realmolo: People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.

More accurately, in the Navy, engineers won't be sleeping until the engine room is back on-line.

Bringing me to another point:  I can't fathom how a ship that large only has one engine and engine room?  I'd really expected redundancy in that department (redundantly).


Most ships have only one engine room regardless of the number of engines; about the only ones that don't are warships.  The Triumph apparently suffered a major engine room fire, which knocked EVERYTHING out.
 
2013-02-13 06:40:05 PM  
Sorry if it's been asked before, but (I've Googled this and not found any answers):

If they can get other ships there to drop off food, etc., why can't they just take people off the disabled ship? I know there are a lot of them, but it doesn't seem like it should be impossible.

Is it an federal govt. issue? Why do they have to stay on the ship?
 
2013-02-13 06:51:59 PM  
This is the time it would have really paid off to have reserved a top level cabin with a water-view balcony.

www.cultbritannia.co.uk
What we are talking about in privy terms is the latest in front wall fresh air orifices combined with a wide capacity gutter installation ocean below.
 
2013-02-13 07:01:22 PM  
If anyone's interested, CNBC has a documentary, "Cruise, Inc.: Big Money on the High Seas" about the financial aspects of the cruise industry. The docu follows one of Norwegian's cruises, not a Carnival ship. Basically, they HAVE to fill up EVERY cabin with cheap tickets and then nickel and dime their way up to a meager profit (percentage-wise), if they break even at all. So yeah, this incident is a HUGE loss for Carnival.
 
2013-02-13 07:29:07 PM  
Go on vacation with 4,000 other humans all cramped together. Good times.
 
2013-02-13 08:10:05 PM  
Posting this as a crew member from RCCL's  Allure of the Seas. Getting a kick, etc.
 
2013-02-13 08:11:21 PM  
I'm suffering from a severe lack of belief and empathy here. You can find legions of the same appalled whiners ragging about third world conditions in 4.5-star hotels on TripAdvisor every day. It's what happen when you let domesticated livestock outside the home pen where they're comfortable.
 
2013-02-13 08:20:33 PM  
I can't imaging spending money our my vacation time stuck with strangers in the middle of the ocean. Last vacation, we rented an apartment in Paris for 2 weeks. Later this year, we're renting a house in Sri Lanka for 3 weeks. Hanging out and knowing a place is better than a swing by for a few hours just to say I've been there.

That's my preference though.
 
2013-02-13 09:06:37 PM  
It's Carnival, what did they expect?

Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.
 
2013-02-13 09:13:40 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Sorry if it's been asked before, but (I've Googled this and not found any answers):

If they can get other ships there to drop off food, etc., why can't they just take people off the disabled ship? I know there are a lot of them, but it doesn't seem like it should be impossible.

Is it an federal govt. issue? Why do they have to stay on the ship?


First, where would you take the people? Second, how would you take the people off the ship?

Like CheekyMonkey said, it's not like there's a boat ready waiting close by.

Second, even if there was, how would you get the people off the boat? You can't actually park two high-rise -size ships next to each other. Even getting a small boat next to it is difficult. The big ship is lurching around in the waves, since it has no control.

Ever try getting on a small boat from a stationary pier? If the boat is moving a lot, even that can be difficult. Imagine that both surfaces were moving around, and that you have to move thousands of people, including some who are elderly or even some that are wheelchair bound.

It's far more dangerous than letting them stay on the boat.
 
2013-02-13 09:15:44 PM  

BalugaJoe: Cannibalism!!


My first thought was to think of the South Park episode "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow" and the reporter that said

"......yes Tom, we're even beginning to hear reports of people resorting to cannibalism" and Tom says "my god, you've actually seen people eating each other? and he says "No!  No!  We're just reporting that there are acts of cannibalism, we haven't actually seen anything."
 
2013-02-13 09:30:15 PM  
I went on one cruise a few years back with a neighbor/friend whose husband was unable to go at last minute.  June cruise from NYC to Canada.  Nice enough sight seeing, lots of food (too much), but chief reason I won't go again is I blew too much money on the on board casino.  I go to Atlantic City casinos every year or two by bus with my Mom where you stay in casino for 3 or 4 hours.  That's fine.  But on cruise I found myself going down to casino every night when my friend went to sleep.  Almost went to Gamblers Anonymous when I came back, but now limit myself to set money to blow on lottery tickets and once a year or so trip to Atlantic City and no more cruises.
 
2013-02-13 09:33:50 PM  

liam76: jjwars1: This. People will go out of their way to find something to whine about for attention, special treatment, discounts, or a free vacation. Then, they threaten to sue when they don't feel they are getting enough

That is what you have to do with cruise ships to get what you signed up for.

Which is my main beef with them.

durbnpoisn: And even better question is, if they can deliver supplies, why can't the bring a few Porta-potties? That would solve their waste disposal problems

If you could find a good place to bolt them down, you would still need to empty them.


Empty them into the swimming pool and cap it off, dole out the methane. Haven't you seen beyond thunderdome? That slurry is liquid gold.
 
2013-02-13 09:34:23 PM  
I was a Boy Scout in the sixties and just about all of our fathers in the troop had survived WW 2 recently and taught us to "Be Prepared" which is what they believed and also the Scout motto.
I regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle. This is pretty common practice on a small fishing boat on the lake.   There are a lot of ill prepared people out there  these days who cannot even take care of themselves on such a basic level of just going poop.
I guess they don't have an app for that.

What a shame
 
2013-02-13 09:35:46 PM  

Walker: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?
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Is this a crappy hotel theater?
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Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?
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And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.


I did a 7 night Mexican Riviera cruise back in 2004. It was fun at first to be on the big ship. But after 3 days with no stops it got kinda boring since the weather was crappy (rainy and in the 50s), I didn't want to waste all my money gambling, and I'm not that into getting drunk. The stops were all fun, but not enough time to really enjoy the cities.

I did however play about 40 bucks in the casino and won 450 so that wasn't bad. Took my wife, her sisters and her dad on a deep sea fishing trip. Four out of five of us were seasick the entire time and we only caught 1 fish.
 
2013-02-13 09:48:45 PM  

Gleeman: Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.


Any fire that requires them to use the CO2 system isn't "small" by any definition of the word.
 
2013-02-13 10:40:00 PM  
NEDM: Gleeman: Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.

Any fire that requires them to use the CO2 system isn't "small" by any definition of the word.


I admit details of the fire haven't been released, but so far it sounds like a Class C (electrical) fire, probably in a switchboard or cable run. The automated system would release as soon as it detects a fire, regardless of size.

I'm a retired US Navy engineer, had two switchboard fires during my time: we suffered a partial loss of power to secondary draws, but the major systems continued to function just fine thanks to redundant backups. With today's cruise 'ship' designs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire ship's power goes through a single switchboard; or all the switchboards are in one space. (or all of the gensets in a single space).
 
2013-02-13 10:47:49 PM  

poe_zlaw: OK serisouly--how bad can it be? The pilgrims came over here on a ship with no running water, no hot food, etc. I could EASILY see this one idiot biatch I work with acting like the conditions on that ship are worse than conditions the slaves endured.  However, I could also see other people i know saying "eh, sucks, but its not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.  At least I am not at work"


That's the problem though, that one idiot biatch loves this kind of cruise. They go on a pre-planned commercial cruise to brag to the other people in the office about how adventurous they are when in reality their hand is held every step of the way and when things don't go according to plan, they start to panic. Some people on cruises are competent enough to not panic and smart enough to go off the beaten path for a real experience but these larger commercial cruises really cater to the people who like having their hand held.
 
2013-02-13 11:20:56 PM  

Gleeman: NEDM: Gleeman: Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.

Any fire that requires them to use the CO2 system isn't "small" by any definition of the word.

I admit details of the fire haven't been released, but so far it sounds like a Class C (electrical) fire, probably in a switchboard or cable run. The automated system would release as soon as it detects a fire, regardless of size.

I'm a retired US Navy engineer, had two switchboard fires during my time: we suffered a partial loss of power to secondary draws, but the major systems continued to function just fine thanks to redundant backups. With today's cruise 'ship' designs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire ship's power goes through a single switchboard; or all the switchboards are in one space. (or all of the gensets in a single space).


You guys had your CO2 systems on automatic?  Jesus Christ. Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about the mass suppression system.

And yeah, they probably did have them all in one place.  Most commercial ships don't have the redundancy that warships do.
   I know that the generators on my last ship were all right next to each other; hell, they were in the same room as the main engine (I'm just a stoopid deckie, not an engineer, so I can't say anything for sure about the switchboards other than the engine control room only had one large one).  The EDG was elsewhere, of course.
 
2013-02-14 12:00:50 AM  
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2013-02-14 12:44:57 AM  
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2013-02-14 02:45:23 AM  

Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?


My girlfriend took a cruise once. Never again!

/ So there!
 
2013-02-14 03:27:34 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: NeoCortex42: Maybe a couple of passengers have learned semaphore and are reporting to passing ships.

"POOP....IS...COMING....OUT...OF....THE....WALLS...NOW."


Do you have any idea what it feels like to laugh so hard pretzels come out your nose? You, sir, owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-02-14 05:33:58 AM  

oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").


I wonder how many ping pong balls it would take to float THAT sucker. :)
 
2013-02-14 06:58:53 AM  

Rivetman1.0: regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle.


Okay cotton, why don't you tell us why you like to drink your pee.
 
2013-02-14 07:32:45 AM  
Rob Mowlam told his father the ship's crew had started giving free alcohol to passengers.
 
2013-02-14 11:25:57 AM  

Rivetman1.0: I regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle.


I'll bet you're a waffle-stomper too.
 
2013-02-14 02:45:31 PM  

CheekyMonkey: MrSteve007:
Places I'm going to visit on a cruise in July:
-Boston, Massachusetts
-Bonne Bay, Newfoundland, Canada
-Red Bay, Labrador, Canada
-Qaqortoq, Greenland
-Prince Christian Sund
-Isafjardurdjur
-Akureyri, Iceland
-Eyjafjordur
-Seydisfjordur, Iceland
-Torshavn, Faroe Islands
-Bergen, Norway
-Stavanger, Norway
-Lysefjord
-Amsterdam, The Netherlands
-Dunmore East (Waterford), Ireland
-Dublin, Ireland
-Belfast, Northern Ireland
-Djupivogur, Iceland
-Heimaey, Iceland
-Reykjavik, Iceland
-Nanortalik, Greenland
-St Anthony, Newfoundland, Canada
-St. Johns, Newfoundland, Canada
-Bar Harbor, Maine

Without question, if you want to see very little of a lot of the world, for between $35 and $50 a day (including food), there's no better way than cruising.

FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...


Pretty much that.

That upcoming cruise lists 24 places. Now, I'll admit to only having been to four of them (though for what it's worth, in three different countries) but any one of those four would need multiple days to even start to appreciate. Two days each would already be longer than a typical 7-day cruise, so what about the other 20 places? (and the travel time between all of them)

To add to CheekyMonkey's comments about Bar Harbor:

Is there time to: Have a fresh, hot popover at the Jordan Pond House? Hike up Sargent Mountain and enjoy the view from the top (and the blueberries)? Rent a bike and ride around the carriage roads? Have a picnic on Otter Cliffs? Walk around Ship's Harbor and Wonderland? Hike up Mt. Acadia? Look for sand dollars at Sand Beach? Visit the wildflower gardens at Sieur de Monts Springs? Watch the peregrine falcons that nest on the Precipice? See the Bass Harbor lighthouse? Look at all the neat things that live in tidepools?

Or ... um ... just say you've been to Bar Harbor?

And Boston. Just how much of Boston are you going to "see"? Aside from the history, you can spend all day just in the Aquarium or the Boston Science Museum. (note: if they give you a chance to do one thing on your own, take a Duck Tour; it's a good summary of the city) You can spend a day in the North End (mostly eating). Don't miss the Freedom Trail. Oh ... you'll probably just go have lunch at Quincy Market (admittedly, worth a visit) and then be told you've seen Boston.

You couldn't do more than scratch the surface of all those places in a month, let alone a week. What you're doing is just checking places off on a list, then confusing visiting a zoo with going on a safari.
 
2013-02-14 05:16:57 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?


Nah, I'll just stop by to hear Ebenezer Scrooge say his trademarked phrase, and then pop in on the Cratchit family to give Tiny Tim a present.

/Bah, Haabaa!
 
2013-02-14 09:27:57 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Rivetman1.0: I regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle.

I'll bet you're a waffle-stomper too.

No, a conscientous and law abiding fisherman.

 
2013-02-14 10:00:34 PM  

NEDM: You guys had your CO2 systems on automatic? Jesus Christ. Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about the mass suppression system.


I was assuming that like many civilian ships they normally operate with an unmanned/automated engine room monitored from an enclosed operating station; shutting down the suppression system when entering the space for maintenance/repair. I admit I could be wrong in this case though.

Our auto systems were on the enclosed engine modules, with the general system for the space on manual.
 
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