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2013-02-13 03:28:58 PM  
ts2.mm.bing.net
I'll have me some of that hot hot Julie McCoy action please...
 
2013-02-13 03:33:34 PM  

Walker: Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area? Is this a crappy hotel theater? Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?


Yes, yes and yes. Tacky and vulgar.
 
2013-02-13 03:34:47 PM  

CheekyMonkey: FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...


Exactly. If you want to say you actually explored exotic locales, that doesn't cut it. Cruising by a small port for less than 12 hours and getting back on the ship in time for the NFC championship game might as well qualify you to say you looked up a country on Wikipedia. That's not touring the world, that's just an annoyance to those who live in the area.
 
2013-02-13 03:35:32 PM  

Carth: CheekyMonkey: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?

They did send another boat to rescue them.  Two, in fact.  Tug boats.

\you really think there's a billion-dollar cruise ship sitting idle nearby, waiting for a disaster like this to strike?

So what do they send if there actually is a sinking cruise ship that far from land? Has it happened in modern times? I can't imagine they would airlift all the boats.


That's an entirely different situation, and requires an entirely different response.  In this case, no one is in any immediate danger, so all that gets sent is 2 tugboats to tow the ship to the nearest port.  If a cruise ship was actually sinking, then every vessel in the immediate area would help out.  Don't quote me on this, but I think there may be some sort of maritime law or historical precedent about being duty-bound to assist in the case of a 'mayday' situation.  Perhaps some Farker with a GED in Sailing can clarify.
 
2013-02-13 03:36:24 PM  

MrSteve007: ronaprhys: Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.

When it comes to the longer cruises, some of the stops are your ~14 hour one-day deals (arrival at 6am, sailing at 8pm), however at the more major sites (say Istanbul, Papeete, Amsterdam, Rome, Reykjavik) we spend two solid days at the cities (5am arrivals, overnight at dock, and then 8pm sailings the next day.

Will you see absolutely everything? No, of course not. But you'll see quite a lot.


God, I've spent two weeks in Rome, Amsterdam and Istanbul each. I can't imagine trying to see any of them in 36 hours
 
2013-02-13 03:37:44 PM  

doczoidberg: First of all, cruises are for lazy dumbasses who can't plan a proper vacation.

Secondly, how hard can it be to get these people off the damn boat?


Transferring people to a launch in open water isn't trivial.  The smaller launch will be bobbing up and down relative to the more stable ship.  Ideally, you time it so that you step off the gangway (or let go of the rope net or ladder) when the launch is at the top of it's cycle, or just on the way down. In 6 foot seas, your cycle will make that last step anywhere between 1 and 7 feet.

Your view isn't great as you hang from the end of the ladder, and the cycle of the waves isn't perfectly regular.  Know that feeling when you think you're all the way down a flight of stairs, but you're not, and you take a step?  Same kind of feeling, except for the larger drop.  And, just for fun, if you fall into the drink between the ship and the launch, there's a good chance you'll be crushed if the launch pilot isn't really on the ball that day.

Able bodied people can do it with care.  Fatties and the frail will be injured by the score, and a few will figure even manage to die.  Cargo is routinely lost during transfers like this, but lost cargo (ship's stores) never results in a lawsuit.

/ex Merchant Marine
//Loves ships, hates passengers
 
2013-02-13 03:37:57 PM  

MrSteve007: Places I'm going to visit on the cruise next month:
-Rome (Civitavecchia), Italy
-Olympia (Katakolon), Greece
-Athens (Piraeus), Greece
-Ephesus (Izmir), Turkey
-Istanbul, Turkey
-Naples, Italy


I did most of those places last year on an Eastern Med cruise on my 20th anniversary, did the Western on my 10th.
/European cruises are a lot of fun... and work.
 
2013-02-13 03:38:12 PM  

realmolo: People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.


I reckon you get what you pay for.  Or get paid for.
 
2013-02-13 03:40:40 PM  
if they think that boat is bad, wait til they get to alabama.
 
2013-02-13 03:40:41 PM  

Big Man On Campus: CheekyMonkey: FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...

Exactly. If you want to say you actually explored exotic locales, that doesn't cut it. Cruising by a small port for less than 12 hours and getting back on the ship in time for the NFC championship game might as well qualify you to say you looked up a country on Wikipedia. That's not touring the world, that's just an annoyance to those who live in the area.


YES. You may as well not go at all then. Fark it. Just stay home if you can't spend a solid week in any particular destination.


Geez, lighten up. Some of you need that pic of the kid getting all bent out of shape over a board game because people enjoy something you've never tried and don't think you'll like. So farking what?

Yeah, I spent only a few hours in Nassau, but we explored forts (they weren't as awesome as I was expecting) and had a good time learning about Junkanoo (had never heard of it, but I can get behind any kind of festival that's a big middle finger to authoritarian asshole slavers). So we didn't run around the island for a few days. Big whoop. It isn't like we'd have ended up there anyway.

Just because you take a couple bites of a culture instead of making a meal of it doesn't mean the experience is wasted.
 
2013-02-13 03:43:50 PM  
So what do they send if there actually is a sinking cruise ship that far from land? Has it happened in modern times? I can't imagine they would airlift all the boats.

Condolences.

/And Lawyers.  Lots and lots of lawyers.
 
2013-02-13 03:45:01 PM  

MrSteve007: ronaprhys: Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.

When it comes to the longer cruises, some of the stops are your ~14 hour one-day deals (arrival at 6am, sailing at 8pm), however at the more major sites (say Istanbul, Papeete, Amsterdam, Rome, Reykjavik) we spend two solid days at the cities (5am arrivals, overnight at dock, and then 8pm sailings the next day.

Will you see absolutely everything? No, of course not. But you'll see quite a lot.



Quantity vs. quality.
 
2013-02-13 03:45:51 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...


I agree. You gotta wake up in a place and have time to explore it. Be there long enough to get off the beaten trail. Be there at night. Have enough time to make new plans on a whim.

Seeing new places by cruise seems like staying in a scary hotel that only lets you outdoors when they feel like it.
 
2013-02-13 03:54:27 PM  
Sounds like a lot of Farkers go on vacation to get the hell away from other people, instead of being stuck on a boat with several thousand strangers.

/and that's why I love this place
 
2013-02-13 03:56:04 PM  

Big Man On Campus: Walker: A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?

Yes, It's TOO crowded.

Is this a crappy hotel theater?

Yes, the seats don't recline and there's all-but-useless drink tables in the way of my legroom. Doesn't look comfortable.

Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?

In fairness, no, that looks like a nice bar.

And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.

Ok, but you could get *ALL* of those things and more at an actual land-based resort. So why do them on a somewhat-restricted-in-capability steel tourist barge? Is it just to be on the water and visit exotic locales? You can do that by learning to sail and chartering your own barebones sailboat for dirt cheap, plus the locals like you more when you do this.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200634/Paul-Rachel-Chandler -C ouple-held-hostage-Somali-pirates-set-sail-round-world-trip.html

They're vacation started like this;
i.dailymail.co.uk

and ended like this;

www.channel4.com
 
2013-02-13 03:56:28 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Big Ramifications: However, I'm laffing hard at the idea of the line of thinking: "Our ship has had a huge power breakdown. Oh no! Better start dropping our turds in the corridors!"

Cruise Director Mackey says:

"Oh, ya think that's funny, huh? Let me assure you, there is nothing funny about going into a nice, clean, unsuspecting passageway, m'kay, dropping your pants, then turning around, squatting over the carpet, m'kay, maybe, maybe, pulling your butt cheeks apart with your hands, m'kay, and then laying out a big spicy fudge dragon for all the world to see. "


Big Spicy Fudge Dragon is my new band name.
 
2013-02-13 03:57:09 PM  
akula:
Just because you take a couple bites of a culture instead of making a meal of it doesn't mean the experience is wasted.

True, but why take such small bites? When I eat Mexican food, I don't ask for the salsa to be watered down. When I eat curry, I don't tell the waiter that I'm white so please tone down the spices. Why water down the experience when there are ways, even cheaper ways, to experience a LOT more?

The past couple of years has seen me become an adequate sailor on your average single-mannable sailboat. That was as difficult as signing up to crew on a racing sailboat at a local marina. There are hundreds of companies that will rent you a sailboat to cruise around MANY areas of the world, and you can pick your season (outside hurricane/cyclone season). If renting doesn't sound safe, you can actually volunteer to crew on other peoples boats, there's lots of people who have a retirement dream of sailing the pacific, but not enough crew to be well-rested while doing it. Yes, you'll have less privacy. Yes you'll have to do some physical work. Big Whoop, you'll be able to anchor in places like this:
www.hotelclub.com
...without another soul around for miles... for as long as you can convince the skipper to stay...

THAT ^^^ sounds like a true vacation to me. Accessibility to zip lines or rock walls or a pool deck while trying to avoid crowds does not.
 
2013-02-13 03:58:02 PM  

SpectroBoy: Seeing new places by cruise seems like staying in a scary hotel that only lets you outdoors when they feel like it.


Plus, if you're me, you've always got that mental clock counting down time in your head.  "Ok, it's 12:30 now, which means I have a little more than 7 hours to see x, y and do z"  "Ok, this is fun, but do I have enough time left"  You spend so much time worrying about how much time you have left or missing the cut off time that you can't truly relax and enjoy what you're doing.
 
2013-02-13 04:02:57 PM  
And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.

I doubt you have climbed a waterfall unless it was inactive.  The downward current would keep knocking you off.

As for cruises being so great,  that is true for the cruise lines that do not cater to poor people.  Carnivale is not one of them.
 
2013-02-13 04:03:06 PM  
CheapEngineer:
They're vacation started like this;

and ended like this;


1) Don't sail near unstable countries.
2) Don't sail into war zones.
3) Don't announce your intended destination/planned route to people.
4) Own weapons, know how and when to use them, know how and when to hide them. There are no police on the open ocean.
 
2013-02-13 04:04:00 PM  

akula: Big Man On Campus: CheekyMonkey: FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...

Exactly. If you want to say you actually explored exotic locales, that doesn't cut it. Cruising by a small port for less than 12 hours and getting back on the ship in time for the NFC championship game might as well qualify you to say you looked up a country on Wikipedia. That's not touring the world, that's just an annoyance to those who live in the area.

YES. You may as well not go at all then. Fark it. Just stay home if you can't spend a solid week in any particular destination.


Geez, lighten up. Some of you need that pic of the kid getting all bent out of shape over a board game because people enjoy something you've never tried and don't think you'll like. So farking what?

Yeah, I spent only a few hours in Nassau, but we explored forts (they weren't as awesome as I was expecting) and had a good time learning about Junkanoo (had never heard of it, but I can get behind any kind of festival that's a big middle finger to authoritarian asshole slavers). So we didn't run around the island for a few days. Big whoop. It isn't like we'd have ended up there anyway.

Just because you take a couple bites of a culture instead of making a meal of it doesn't mean the experience is wasted.


No, it's just not the experience that some of us are looking for.  My original post on this subject was in reply to someone who was boasting about the long list of different places they'd visited on cruises.  My point is that they saw very little of any of those places.

\I'd rather see the entire season of, say, The Walking Dead, instead of just the first 10 minutes of Episode 4, but that's just me...
 
2013-02-13 04:05:14 PM  

Big Man On Campus: True, but why take such small bites?


Maybe because it fits someone's preferences more. Not everybody wants to experience things the hard way and see the gritty reality.

I deal with reality all the time. It's what I vacation to get away from. If I want to deal with bullshiat, I do that enough in the course of my normal life. When I go on vacation I like to not worry about things. That's one of the advantages of a cruise... there's people there to take care of things.

Sure, a sailboat sounds like fun... for the right person. I don't know that it sounds like much fun to me, but I'm not you. We quite enjoyed our cruise and we're going back for more- we only barely scratched the surface on our last one, and we met new people (yes, from all around the world... had a great conversation with a Serbian waitress).

Not everything needs to be a full immersion experience. It's different strokes for different folks. What I don't get is why you and some others seem to think a modern cruise ship (in good repair, unlike that POS hulk in TFA) is hell on earth and the farthest thing possible from legitimate travel. Just because you're not there for days on end doesn't mean the trip was worthless. Sure, you get a better and deeper experience when you're there longer. But there's something to be said for breadth of experience too, not just depth.
 
2013-02-13 04:13:55 PM  

Big Man On Campus: CheapEngineer:
They're vacation started like this;

and ended like this;

1) Don't sail near unstable countries.
2) Don't sail into war zones.
3) Don't announce your intended destination/planned route to people.
4) Own weapons, know how and when to use them, know how and when to hide them. There are no police on the open ocean.


That's what these guys did, and look where it got *them*!

www.bostonboatingblog.com

\'Where ya goin'?"
\\"Nowhere. Just a 3 hour Tour."
 
2013-02-13 04:17:05 PM  

akula: But there's something to be said for breadth of experience too, not just depth.


If you don't simply hand cash/control over to a cruising corporation to handle all the details of your fun, you can get both.

I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.
 
2013-02-13 04:18:23 PM  
CheapEngineer:
That's what these guys did, and look where it got *them*!

Well, when I consider how difficult it might have been for Gilligan to make friends with a hot redhead supermodel outside of the island, I think it wasn't all lemons.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:15 PM  

ShawnDoc: SpectroBoy: Seeing new places by cruise seems like staying in a scary hotel that only lets you outdoors when they feel like it.

Plus, if you're me, you've always got that mental clock counting down time in your head.  "Ok, it's 12:30 now, which means I have a little more than 7 hours to see x, y and do z"  "Ok, this is fun, but do I have enough time left"  You spend so much time worrying about how much time you have left or missing the cut off time that you can't truly relax and enjoy what you're doing.


YOU ARE ME?!

That's exactly the feeling I was trying to put my finger on.  It's why I'm always sitting in the airport that stupid effing two hours before flight time that they recommend, bored out of my mind.
 
2013-02-13 04:22:39 PM  

Big Man On Campus: I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.


You're not making one bit of sense. Your analogy of flying/cruising to motorcycle/bus just sucks. You will NEVER be part of the places you visit. Not going to happen. Maybe by hanging out in a hostel or something you feel you're getting the real feel, but it still isn't. If you aren't buying a house/flat, getting a job, and making your way in the world you're just transitory. The only difference is in the length of your stay.

So you hate cruises without having been on one. Yay you. Feel free to stand in judgment over those who have been places on a cruise ship. You just end up coming across like a judgmental asshole. I don't doubt there's those who have experienced Nassau in ways that are deeper and more meaningful from my experience. I don't give a shiat. I had a good time and moved on. That's what I was after. If the locals didn't like it, at least they liked my money enough to pretend they enjoyed our presence until we left. They're probably doing the same thing to you. NOBODY likes tourists when they come to visit... doesn't matter if they got off a boat, an airplane, or a UFO.

If the people on the cruise feel like they're getting the experience they wanted and enjoyed, why do you feel the need to shiat all over it? Do you go up to kids who are happily eating their Hydrox and tell them that they're missing our because their parents are cheap bastards who didn't buy Oreos?
 
2013-02-13 04:23:15 PM  

Tom_Slick: Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?

Pretty much, I have enjoyed the few cruises I have taken but I have never taken a Caribbean cruise, most of the bad experiences I've heard of stem from those cruises.

/Alaska was a kick ass cruise
//River Cruise of the Danube was one of the best vacations of my life.


Oh? It wasn't just the one I was on?

Carnival is the only cruise line I've been on, that has every cut a destination out of a journey. Why? Waves were to high to use the launches. Why not dock? Oooh, that costs money.

Princess lines are more expensive, but more inclusive. And the crowd is older, but after 10 PM, it's wild parties with staffers, and trophy wives.

/over 10 cruises, not counting gator freighter floats.
//bad cyclone between Okinawa and Subic Bay RP, in '83. Really messed up the LSD Peoria. Hot dogs and reconstituted mashed potatoes 3x a day, but hey, they'd let you have as much as you wanted.
///the squids suffered worse than we did.
 
2013-02-13 04:24:01 PM  

Walker: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?
[images.travelpod.com image 850x637]
[www.gotravel.com image 640x480]

Is this a crappy hotel theater?
[cruisewise-static01.insnw.net image 603x469]

Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?
[www.galaxsea.com image 475x312]

And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.


Did you say stabilizers?
 
2013-02-13 04:24:55 PM  
Cruising, like anything else in life, depends on what you put into it. If you do the necessary prep work ahead of time, you can make a cruise into an awesoem vacation.

Booking private tours in port is a must. You get a much more personal experience with a local guide who will take you to the less-traveled spots without having to deal with a massive crowd of your fellow cruisers. Local guides will also use a smaller vehicle that can get you closer to the local sights than the massive buses used by the cruise tours. 

On our last cruise, my partner and I:

Had a private tasting at a vineyard in Tuscany
Got a behind-the-scenes tour of the Duomo in Florence
Had a guide and history epxert explain the uses of the buildings in Pompeii
Walked the main drag at Taormina  and toured the Greek Theater on our own
Had a private guide give us an art history tour of churches in Venice
Had an historian explain the origin and colorful past of the Colosseum in Rome

Sure, the limited time in port doesn't allow the lengthy exploration you get when you travel independently, but at a cruise is an excellent way to get a taste of a country that you can then go back and explore on your own.
 
2013-02-13 04:27:00 PM  

akula: Big Man On Campus: I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.

You're not making one bit of sense.


Yes I am. If you rode motorcycles the analogy would make perfect sense to you.
 
2013-02-13 04:30:46 PM  

Big Man On Campus: Yes I am. If you rode motorcycles the analogy would make perfect sense to you.


You keep telling yourself that. On a bus you're with others, more a cross section of society, free to look around. On a motorcycle you're by yourself.

Again, analogies are to make things clearer. Yours doesn't. You also ignore my point- you have no legitimate place to stand to determine whether one form of travel is any more or less legitimate in an objective sense. Instead, you are whining about people enjoying something you've never tried and don't think you'd like.
 
2013-02-13 04:37:31 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: FrancoFile: Why doesn't the power system have better redundancy and graceful-failure modes?  If you have multiple engines and generators on the boat, separate them by firewalls and intervening space so that a single accident can't wipe out the entire thing.

Because redundant systems cost money, and the cruise line owners want to maximize shareholder value.

Just think, one of those mutual funds you have your retirement in could be depend upon the profitability of some real asshole corporation  e.g. Monsanto or the Koch Brothers.


While shipowners are notorious for not spending money they don't have to unless you twist their arm, that isn't exactly the case here.  There was apparently a major fire in the engine room, one that gutted the main machinery.  The EDG (emergency diesel generator) is probably up and running, and I suspect that all of the bridge radio and radar systems are fully functional, along with corridor lighting and all of the fire mains/emergency systems (in addition to the things Carnival has said are working like public toilets)

You've only got so much space onboard a ship, and you've only got so much capacity in your EDG.  You've got to prioritize what you hook up to it, and that almost always boils down to "only the things that are relevant to the safe operation of the vessel".  I do suspect that a new regulation is about to come down from IMO about vacuum toilets being able to be flushed at all times, though.

/And spreading out the regular generators is simply not feasible.  You essentially have a small power plant onboard, and you can't just separate the required infrastructure for it without it being ridiculously expensive.
 
2013-02-13 04:41:09 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: NeoCortex42: Maybe a couple of passengers have learned semaphore and are reporting to passing ships.

"POOP....IS...COMING....OUT...OF....THE....WALLS...NOW."


Snerk
 
2013-02-13 04:51:52 PM  
Carnival has been busted in the past for faking pollution control records.

So there is certainly a precedent for them to lie.
 
2013-02-13 04:52:43 PM  
akula: Big Man On Campus: Yes I am. If you rode motorcycles the analogy would make perfect sense to you.

You keep telling yourself that. On a bus you're with others, more a cross section of society, free to look around. On a motorcycle you're by yourself.

If you take a picture of a bus with you in it. It's ultimately a picture of a bus, you might be visible in the window, but no one is going to call it a picture of you. If you take a picture of someone riding a motorcycle, or a pedestrian in a scene, those people are part of the scene. That's the difference. A people-mover going from island-to-island each day is ultimately just another tourist barge. A citizen from another country who has time to hang out at night for multiple nights on end, and perhaps make local friends is actually part of the scene.

Again, analogies are to make things clearer. Yours doesn't. You also ignore my point- you have no legitimate place to stand to determine whether one form of travel is any more or less legitimate in an objective sense. Instead, you are whining about people enjoying something you've never tried and don't think you'd like.

No, I answered your point, you just rejected it because you had fun with a watered-down experience. Cruise-ship travel isn't legitimate travel because it's no better than paying for and spending your entire vacation ensconced in a resort complex. You could not legitimately claim to have seen an area if all the exploration time you had was scheduled and limited to the degree that cruise ships limit it.
 
2013-02-13 04:56:56 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Walker: Rev.K: Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.

Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises. About $60 a day pays for your hotel accommodations (the ship), your transportation (the ship), all you can eat, and all your entertainment. Visiting 4 countries/islands for $60 a day isn't possible another way. Try to find a round trip flight/hotel/all meals deal for $60 total a day. I even found a 10-night Hawaiian Islands to Mexico cruise for $299. It visited all the main Hawaiian Islands then sailed across the Pacific for 5 days to Mexico. So I'm not anti-cruise. Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one.

Aso, once you go balcony, you don't back.
/came off an 8-day cruise two weeks ago

Here's my disgusting buffet line story from the last one:  I was sitting at a table near the salad bar waiting for my wife so we could go to the pool when I see a teenage girl at the salad bar taking a sip of the salad dressing with the ladel and then putting it back!!

//stay away from the buffet and always have breakfast and dinner in the dining room. I you do go to the buffet go the stations where the staff preparesf your food


You are not exactly making the case here.
 
2013-02-13 05:01:09 PM  

Big Man On Campus: CheapEngineer:
That's what these guys did, and look where it got *them*!

Well, when I consider how difficult it might have been for Gilligan to make friends with a hot redhead supermodel outside of the island, I think it wasn't all lemons.


www.sitcomsonline.com

And yet, he still didn't get any.
 
2013-02-13 05:03:50 PM  

Big Man On Campus: THAT ^^^ sounds like a true vacation to me. Accessibility to zip lines or rock walls or a pool deck while trying to avoid crowds does not.


I own a pretty nice sailboat, and take her sailing in the Puget Sound at least a couple times a week in the summer (she's in drydock right now, getting upgraded). I also go on at least one multi-week sails into fairly isolated areas each year. (last fall I decided to charter a larger boat than mine and do Desolation Sound, seen below)
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I was able to be the only person around for miles (camera's color balance was off from being in an underwater housing)
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And while I love being out and on my own, there's nothing wrong with seeing the world via a cruise ship. Because of the relative inexpensive of commercial cruising, I can scuba dive and photograph spots like this (Fanning Island, one of the largest atolls in the world):
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Scuba dive in ridiculously beautiful locations (Tahiti):
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Go snorkeling here (Moorea):
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Or this (Alaska):
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And see this (calving of glaciers in Tracy Arm, AK):
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I certainly understand the appeal of spending a week or more in one spot, really getting to know a place or culture, or taking it easy and being on your own - but I stand by my original assertion that cruising, hands down, offers the cheapest way to see large swaths of the planet. The photos above are just a small snapshot of the places I visited in 2012 (not including Dubai, surfing in.San Onofre, Iceland, wreck diving in Canada, shark diving in Tahiti, manta ray diving in Bora Bora, marathon running in Disneyworld & Disneyland, 4x4ing & zip-lining in Alaska - even ending up in a Tahitian Hospital for a week). I know a thing or two about both adventure and leisure travel. Maybe once I'm a senior citizen, and looking to slow down, I'll come around to spending a week in one city, but for now, give me a new port everyday to explore.

/leaving tomorrow to use the 3-day weekend to visit Iceland again. $520 for round trip air from Seattle +4 nights hotel + tours + and daily breakfast
//hope to get some solid photos of the aurora borealis.
///putting plans together to soon circumnavigate the 700-miles around Vancouver Island on my own boat.
 
2013-02-13 05:07:56 PM  
Even those of us who would never be caught dead on The Big Lots Of The Sea are affected by cruise ships.

Cruise ships are registered in 3rd world countries.  They don't have to obey US pollution control laws.

Since they've were caught about a decade ago and forced to pay some 8-figure fines; they have started some Potemkin programs to fool people into thinking they aren't belching smog and pouring heavy metals into the water you are swimming in.
 
Ral
2013-02-13 05:16:30 PM  
Seems like it's always a Carnival ship that this happens to.  I once knew a woman years ago who used to work for Carnival, and she said they were the worst cruise line in the industry.
 
2013-02-13 05:19:08 PM  

Big Man On Campus: Cruise-ship travel isn't legitimate travel because it's no better than paying for and spending your entire vacation ensconced in a resort complex. You could not legitimately claim to have seen an area if all the exploration time you had was scheduled and limited to the degree that cruise ships limit it.


What makes YOU the arbiter?

You are arrogant as all hell to make this statement.

I guarantee you that you have not seen every last thing to be seen and experienced everything to be experienced in the places you have traveled to. You draw the line on a day in port, but you forget that even if you spend a week in a location you still are not truly part of it. Even a month won't do it. Because you can leave. Because your home is elsewhere and you aren't making a life there.

Unless you're putting down roots, everything else is just bickering over how much you missed. You can laugh at the people getting back on the boat, but you know what? Their feet have been on the ground, their passports have been stamped (some nations don't stamp them for this kind of trip), they took in some of the culture, even if it wasn't as much as you think was enough. I think they had a plenty good enough time without your approval.

I think I can understand why you want to go sailing by yourself. Nobody else wants to put up with your arrogant ass talking about why their ideas of things suck and why your ideas are so much better.
 
2013-02-13 05:19:11 PM  
So that wasn't a Baby Ruth in the pool.
 
2013-02-13 05:22:40 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Every deck is the poop deck.


Dammit so much
 
2013-02-13 05:23:53 PM  

martid4: So that wasn't a Baby Ruth in the pool.


"Pool?"

Uh-oh.
 
2013-02-13 05:27:22 PM  
"Carnival President Gerry Cahill said Tuesday the ship has running water and most of its 23 public restrooms and some of the guest cabin bathrooms were working."

"The ship left Galveston, Texas, for a four-day cruise last Thursday with 3,143 passengers and 1,086 crew members."

Lets say, 30 bathrooms available to be generous.

That's 141 people per bathroom.

That's a max of 11 min. for each person in the bathroom in 1 24 hour period.

On a disabled ship.

Some passengers will be sea sick...

It probably smells like shait and puke...
 
2013-02-13 05:37:36 PM  

akula: Big Man On Campus: I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.

You're not making one bit of sense. Your analogy of flying/cruising to motorcycle/bus just sucks. You will NEVER be part of the places you visit. Not going to happen. Maybe by hanging out in a hostel or something you feel you're getting the real feel, but it still isn't. If you aren't buying a house/flat, getting a job, and making your way in the world you're just transitory. The only difference is in the length of your stay.

So you hate cruises without having been on one. Yay you. Feel free to stand in judgment over those who have been places on a cruise ship. You just end up coming across like a judgmental asshole. I don't doubt there's those who have experienced Nassau in ways that are deeper and more meaningful from my experience. I don't give a shiat. I had a good time and moved on. That's what I was after. If the locals didn't like it, at least they liked my money enough to pretend they enjoyed our presence until we left. They're probably doing the same thing to you. NOBODY likes tourists when they come to visit... doesn't matter if they got off a boat, an airplane, or a UFO.

If the people on the cruise feel like they're getting the experience they wanted and enjoyed, why do you feel the need to shiat all over it? Do you go up to kids who are happily eating their Hydrox and tell them that they're missing our because their parents are cheap bastards who didn't buy Oreos?


Arguing over whose vacation was more meaningful.  That's the very definition of...

smallscreenscoop.com
 
2013-02-13 05:48:47 PM  
The Triumph, like every other cruise ship, is registered in a 3rd world country to avoid US taxes and regulations.

Why are the taxes that I pay being used to send a US Coast Guard vessel out for this incident?

Why isn't the Bahamian Coast Guard sending a vessel out?
 
2013-02-13 05:55:17 PM  

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?


As someone else pointed out, they just don't have empty, staffed idle cruise ships sitting around. And diverting another one inconveniences another 2,000 passengers who will demand refunds from having to deal with people sleeping in hallways, food shortages, crowded decks and everything else that comes with packing twice as many people on a ship than it was designed to hold. Not to mention the missed ports-of-call those passengers were promised.

No, better to deal with the wrath of 2,000 mad passengers than 4,000.

Also, this bullshiat about docking in Mobile so passengers without passports will have an easier time. It's because bus rides for 2,000 from Mobile to Galveston are WAY cheaper than plane flights from Mexico.

/frequent cruiser
//ONLY travel RCCL
 
2013-02-13 05:55:57 PM  

realmolo: People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.


More accurately, in the Navy, engineers won't be sleeping until the engine room is back on-line.

Bringing me to another point:  I can't fathom how a ship that large only has one engine and engine room?  I'd really expected redundancy in that department (redundantly).
 
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