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2013-02-13 01:44:25 PM  

Walker: The communications systems are on emergency power. Many people called, emailed, tweeted, loved ones until their electronics went dead because there was nowhere to re-charge them.

Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194


I like how two different people complained that there was no meat. I like meat too, but wtf?

I also like how it went from... "My sis just called. They have plenty of food; they are all fine but doesn't look like they will be back until Wednesday night. Said they are still having fun."  ...to...  "[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave. People sick and throwing up every where. " ...in less than two days.
 
2013-02-13 01:46:06 PM  

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?


Sure, and then just transfer using breeches buoy.

/x1,000
 
2013-02-13 01:46:30 PM  

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


You ever see that twilight zone where the power goes out for a bit and people start turning on eachother? There is a little truth to that.

Back during Sandy, we lost power in our building for about a week. Nice, upscale place.

While most people handled things fine, a few people inexplicably decided it meant society had crumbled, and were leaving trash in hallways or the trash rooms, instead of carrying it down a few flights of stairs, diapers wherever, breaking doors and what not to keep them propped open, all kinds of stupid stuff that there was really no explanation for, other than they decided that no power meant every other norm went out the window.

In short, you have a percentage of people who are jerks, and are just looking for an excuse to act on it. It only takes a handful of people to stop caring to turn things to shiat.

Me? I'd be thinking, "Hey, free vacation, free food and booze, cool story to tell everyone. So what if I have to poop in a bag a few times. I mean, that is almost a bonus, when else will I get to poop in a bag"
 
2013-02-13 01:46:54 PM  
OK serisouly--how bad can it be? The pilgrims came over here on a ship with no running water, no hot food, etc. I could EASILY see this one idiot biatch I work with acting like the conditions on that ship are worse than conditions the slaves endured.  However, I could also see other people i know saying "eh, sucks, but its not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.  At least I am not at work"
 
2013-02-13 01:47:18 PM  
www.csmonitor.com
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").
 
2013-02-13 01:47:41 PM  
So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...
When the ship becomes disabled, why do they not pull it into the nearest port, get the folks OFF, and sent a replacement/backup/rescue ship to get those people out?
Why make them stay aboard a failed ship for another week with limited supplies while it gets slowly towed back to its home port??
 
2013-02-13 01:48:35 PM  

factoryconnection: Most people don't know how to deal with any adversity whatsoever and will panic... especially when it comes to going without the magic that is indoor plumbing.


This is true. Maybe everyone should be forced to go camping at least once in their lives so they can learn to cope.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:13 PM  

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


It has 3000+ people on it and probably fewer buckets. That's a lot of waste to be handled by bucket. The article does say that public restrooms are working. It's the cabin restrooms that aren't. So I would guess the crap on the walls comes from people dumping their waste bags out the windows and the people who have windows below them... well, the less said the better.

If a passenger has to pay more money to get a cabin on a higher deck, the rich are literally taking a shiat on the... uh, less wealthy.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:44 PM  

oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").


Meh, I could put enough english on it to make that spare.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:45 PM  

oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").


Your nautical-foo is weak old man, that ship sunk on its starboard side.
 
2013-02-13 01:50:13 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.


I think, please correct me if I'm wrong, that on cruises the boat doesn't slosh back and forth due to the size of the boat.
 
2013-02-13 01:50:21 PM  

Gigglebyte: So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...
When the ship becomes disabled, why do they not pull it into the nearest port, get the folks OFF, and sent a replacement/backup/rescue ship to get those people out?
Why make them stay aboard a failed ship for another week with limited supplies while it gets slowly towed back to its home port??


I have never been on a cruise either but this one is an easy answer; $$$
 
2013-02-13 01:50:52 PM  

cgraves67: If a passenger has to pay more money to get a cabin on a higher deck, the rich are literally taking a shiat on the... uh, less wealthy.


Trickle-down.
 
2013-02-13 01:51:14 PM  

AxemRed: Walker: The communications systems are on emergency power. Many people called, emailed, tweeted, loved ones until their electronics went dead because there was nowhere to re-charge them.

Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194

I like how two different people complained that there was no meat. I like meat too, but wtf?

I also like how it went from... "My sis just called. They have plenty of food; they are all fine but doesn't look like they will be back until Wednesday night. Said they are still having fun."  ...to...  "[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave. People sick and throwing up every where. " ...in less than two days.


The incubation period of norovirus is 24 hours. They really should just scuttle it and call it a day.
 
2013-02-13 01:52:42 PM  
Live feed from the Carnival news conference:

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2013-02-13 01:53:44 PM  
running water and some working bathrooms


images.huffingtonpost.com

"Luxury."
 
2013-02-13 01:54:23 PM  
When you think about it, these passengers are actually lucky they didn't get hit by any kind of storm. You DO NOT want to be on an un-powered non-sailboat that's sorta-top-heavy in a storm, probably better to be in the water, in some cases.
 
2013-02-13 01:56:00 PM  

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


Risk of drowning warrants an empty boat being sent...but risk of poo-ing in a bucket and eating cheese sandwhiches for a week doesn't?
 
2013-02-13 01:56:18 PM  
How much would you like to bet that there was some engineer or other underling that warned a higher up that some piece of vital maintenance was needed to prevent a breakdown just like this, only to have a bean counter with zero technical knowledge get a raging hard on from how much money he would appear to be saving the company by saying no?

Also, if the stories of feces and urine soaked everything are even partially true, how much time and effort do you think will be spent cleaning things up once the ship gets back to spacedock or wherever they do these things?
 
2013-02-13 01:56:52 PM  

Gigglebyte: So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...
When the ship becomes disabled, why do they not pull it into the nearest port, get the folks OFF, and sent a replacement/backup/rescue ship to get those people out?
Why make them stay aboard a failed ship for another week with limited supplies while it gets slowly towed back to its home port??


The ship has no propulsion. It must be towed. That requires special tugboats. Those take a day or two to get there. While waiting, the ship drifted from the closest port in Mexico to 90 miles northeast due to currents. It is now just as close to Mobile, Alabama, which is where it is being towed.
 
2013-02-13 01:57:04 PM  

Big Man On Campus: oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").

Your nautical-foo is weak old man, that ship sunk on its starboard side.


In the interest of giving the benefit of doubt to OFHenry, I was trying to figure out how that could a view of the stern.
But I 'spect you are correct, his nautic-foo is weak.
 
2013-02-13 01:57:17 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


Most people have a better sense of proportion than you do?  :)
 
2013-02-13 01:58:02 PM  

someonelse: Have any passengers texted any pics of these walls o' poop?


Pretty much what I was thinking. If they can text and/or call to communicate how nasty it is, then they are definitely able to text photos. Not to mention it is a freakin' cruise... so I am sure that there are cameras galore. It would not be all that difficult to provide visual proof of the conditions.

BTW, isn't this the third cruise ship that a Carnival-owned company has had crap out within the last year? First the Concordia, then there was the one in the Pacific a couple weeks after the Concordia disaster, and finally this ship for this week. Their maintenance blows to hell and I will never, ever take a cruise with that company.

Not that I would go on a cruise anyway. Terrified of deep water.
 
2013-02-13 01:58:26 PM  

Gigglebyte: So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...


Nor do I. But anybody dumb enough to take part in one at this point should just be fed to the sharks for the good of the gene pool.
 
2013-02-13 01:58:39 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


The Ecstasy sailed 78 times in 2000.

There are 24 ships in the Carnival fleet.

This gives us an approximate figure of 1,872 cruises per year.

Over 5 years, that would be 9,360 cruises.

With your incident rate, that's a less than 0.00032 chance of your cruise ending like this one.

Are you a gambler?
 
2013-02-13 01:58:42 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: He said passengers were given plastic bags to "use for their business."

What a bag of crap might look like:
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Señor Bag-of-Crap is unimpressed.

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www.usnews.com
 
2013-02-13 01:58:58 PM  

DownDaRiver: Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.

And of course passengers would never exaggerate the situation to gain attention and fodder for lawsuits and appearences on morniing talk shows.


This.  People will go out of their way to find something to whine about for attention, special treatment, discounts, or a free vacation.  Then, they threaten to sue when they don't feel they are getting enough.
 
2013-02-13 01:59:11 PM  

Odd Bird: Big Man On Campus: oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").

Your nautical-foo is weak old man, that ship sunk on its starboard side.

In the interest of giving the benefit of doubt to OFHenry, I was trying to figure out how that could a view of the stern.
But I 'spect you are correct, his nautic-foo is weak.


Forgive me! All my nautical experience is on canoes, dammit!
 
2013-02-13 02:01:37 PM  
People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.
 
2013-02-13 02:02:10 PM  
What would you guys guess the profit margin for a cruise ship company is? It takes more maintenance and staff than a hotel, but only perhaps 2X what your average hotel requires. However their rates per night are way higher than your average Vegas suite on a weekend. Combine that with casinos on board... seems like owning a cruise ship company is mostly gravy.
 
2013-02-13 02:03:25 PM  

Carth: Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?


The passageways are extended gutters and the gutters are full of poop and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their broken toilets and bags of poo will foam up about their waists and all the passengers and crew will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
 
2013-02-13 02:03:58 PM  
not to sound like a pompous white middle-aged middle-class arrogant douche, but triumph is the worst ship in the carnival fleet, and carnival is the worst cruise line.

sailed this ship in 2011.  toilet flooded overnight on day 4 of 5 (at sea).  woke up to wet floors and one hell of a smell.  called housekeeping to let them know of the issue.  they promptly got to our room three hours later.  only solution they gave us was to fix the toilet and spend the day with a fan on the floor.  after writing carnival management to let them know about the unpleasant situation...their long winded response could have been abbreviated to just say "tough titty, try again next time".

tickets on carnival are cheap for a reason.  spend the extra money with someone else and enjoy your cruise, unless you enjoy shiatting in a bucket during your extended detour through alabama.

/oh yeah, and ncl everything is ala carte so expect to spend a lot more


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2013-02-13 02:04:56 PM  
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"Mr Reeds, You stand accused of making up stories about the 'horrible conditions' here on Carnival"

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

"Your Fun-ishment: Eight hours in the penal conga line."
 
2013-02-13 02:05:03 PM  
People expecting comfort experience worse conditions than at home. [Ironic] [Amusing]
 
2013-02-13 02:05:05 PM  

FrancoFile: Why doesn't the power system have better redundancy and graceful-failure modes?  If you have multiple engines and generators on the boat, separate them by firewalls and intervening space so that a single accident can't wipe out the entire thing.


Because redundant systems cost money, and the cruise line owners want to maximize shareholder value.

Just think, one of those mutual funds you have your retirement in could be depend upon the profitability of some real asshole corporation  e.g. Monsanto or the Koch Brothers.
 
2013-02-13 02:05:17 PM  

Wrath of Heaven: With your incident rate, that's a less than 0.00032 chance of your cruise ending like this one.


Yeah, but you're still on a cruise ship, so that sucks.
 
2013-02-13 02:05:20 PM  

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


Ever try a ship to ship transfer in the open ocean with 6 foot swells? Good luck with that.
 
2013-02-13 02:05:34 PM  

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


I was wondering the same thing.  If they can pull boats up to deliver supplies, then why can't they offload passengers?

And even better question is, if they can deliver supplies, why can't the bring a few Porta-potties?  That would solve their waste disposal problems.
 
2013-02-13 02:06:45 PM  

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


Came here to say this. Possibly alluding to lots of toilets overflowing at once. Not saying it still isn't exaggerated.

However, I'm laffing hard at the idea of the line of thinking: "Our ship has had a huge power breakdown. Oh no! Better start dropping our turds in the corridors!"

"Toilet's not working, where do you expect me to go?" you say indignantly to passers-by as you down trou and park one on the carpet.

And then pretty soon all the passengers are doing it and there is SHIAT EVERYWHERE.
 
2013-02-13 02:07:21 PM  
No air conditioning, long lines for food.......my god it is a travesty.  They are living like poor people.
 
2013-02-13 02:08:51 PM  

AxemRed: I also like how it went from... "My sis just called. They have plenty of food; they are all fine but doesn't look like they will be back until Wednesday night. Said they are still having fun." ...to... "[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave. People sick and throwing up every where. " ...in less than two days


Feces and urine may be in onlyu one part fo the ship.

You only go to the cabin areas where you are staying.


Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises. About $60 a day pays for your hotel accommodations (the ship), your transportation (the ship), all you can eat, and all your entertainment. Visiting 4 countries/islands for $60 a day isn't possible another way. Try to find a round trip flight/hotel/all meals deal for $60 total a day. I even found a 10-night Hawaiian Islands to Mexico cruise for $299. It visited all the main Hawaiian Islands then sailed across the Pacific for 5 days to Mexico. So I'm not anti-cruise. Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one


$60 dollars a day sounds very cheap.

The only benefit in my mind is the multiple destinations, but you don't really get to see an island in an afternoon.

And the price of booze is outrageous.

/two cruises one small "local" cruise line in greece around greek islands, and one from NYC to Bermuda (I think norweigian< it was a new "top of the line" ship)
 
2013-02-13 02:09:03 PM  
It's truly inhuman conditions, all the have on TV is reruns of Walker, Texas Ranger.
 
2013-02-13 02:11:14 PM  

Walker: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?

Ever try a ship to ship transfer in the open ocean with 6 foot swells? Good luck with that.


No, I prefer to explore myself instead of going on cruises so I didn't even consider it. I just saw they were transferring supplies so why not at least get off the very old and very young. I imagine Norovirus is going to hit that boat hard if it hasn't already.
 
2013-02-13 02:11:26 PM  
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2013-02-13 02:11:29 PM  

MBooda: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?

Sure, and then just transfer using breeches buoy.

/x1,000


I looked up Breeches Buoy on Wikipedia...There is a competition involving this device and I did not understand any of the words used to describe it.
 
2013-02-13 02:14:41 PM  
Do you reckon there was heaps of 2 girls 1 cup action in amongst all the shiat-smeared corridors?
 
2013-02-13 02:14:43 PM  
oldfarthenry: Forgive me! All my nautical experience is on canoes, dammit!

Pre-steamer watercraft?  Damn, you are old.  How 'bout some lemonade and hard candy?
 
2013-02-13 02:15:49 PM  

Big Ramifications: Do you reckon there was heaps of 2 girls 1 cup action in amongst all the shiat-smeared corridors?


i lol'd.

then barf'd
 
2013-02-13 02:16:26 PM  
First of all, cruises are for lazy dumbasses who can't plan a proper vacation.

Secondly, how hard can it be to get these people off the damn boat?
 
2013-02-13 02:17:25 PM  

doczoidberg: First of all, cruises are for lazy dumbasses who can't plan a proper vacation.

Secondly, how hard can it be to get these people off the damn boat?


Unfortunately, there aren't many icebergs in the Gulf of Mexico.
 
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