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2013-02-13 11:35:09 AM
 He said passengers were given plastic bags to "use for their business."

What a bag of crap might look like:
www.stephanspencer.com

img0033.popscreencdn.com

Señor Bag-of-Crap is unimpressed.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-13 11:36:20 AM
Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.
 
2013-02-13 11:43:16 AM

Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.


And of course passengers would never exaggerate the situation to gain attention and fodder for lawsuits and appearences on morniing talk shows.
 
2013-02-13 11:43:26 AM
Every deck is the poop deck.
 
2013-02-13 11:54:36 AM
Have any passengers texted any pics of these walls o' poop?
 
2013-02-13 12:04:11 PM
My sister-in-law and her husband are on that ship.
The last time that we heard from them, the husband was making up some of those bags for the people to go in.
They should have some great stories when they get back.
 
2013-02-13 12:22:59 PM

Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.


How are passengers on a stranded ship in the middle of the ocean reporting this? If there is barely enough generator power to cook, or run the toilet system (electric pumps, not gravity fed for those who have never been on a ship), then they probably wouldn't have the internet or Cellular-At-Sea system up.
 
2013-02-13 12:24:08 PM

Gig103: Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.

How are passengers on a stranded ship in the middle of the ocean reporting this? If there is barely enough generator power to cook, or run the toilet system (electric pumps, not gravity fed for those who have never been on a ship), then they probably wouldn't have the internet or Cellular-At-Sea system up.


Maybe a couple of passengers have learned semaphore and are reporting to passing ships.
 
2013-02-13 12:28:00 PM

NeoCortex42: Maybe a couple of passengers have learned semaphore and are reporting to passing ships.


"POOP....IS...COMING....OUT...OF....THE....WALLS...NOW."
 
2013-02-13 12:28:02 PM

Gig103: Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.

How are passengers on a stranded ship in the middle of the ocean reporting this? If there is barely enough generator power to cook, or run the toilet system (electric pumps, not gravity fed for those who have never been on a ship), then they probably wouldn't have the internet or Cellular-At-Sea system up.


The communications systems are on emergency power. Many people called, emailed, tweeted, loved ones until their electronics went dead because there was nowhere to re-charge them.

Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194
 
2013-02-13 12:30:58 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Every deck is the poop deck.


Sounds like it is.
I should google it and see why it has that name...
 
2013-02-13 12:31:07 PM

Walker: Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194


============
...My dad said they were serving "hamburgers." He had one made just of cheese slices...
============


So, basically, they were having cheese slices?
 
2013-02-13 12:33:57 PM
"Let's stroll the promenade  poop deck, shall we honey".
 
2013-02-13 12:34:19 PM

rev. dave: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Every deck is the poop deck.

Sounds like it is.
I should google it and see why it has that name...

From Wiki:
The name originates from the French word for stern, la poupe, from Latin puppis. Thus the poop deck is technically a stern deck, which in sailing ships was usually elevated as the roof of the stern or "after" cabin, also known as the "poop cabin". In sailing ships, with the helmsman at the stern, an elevated position was ideal for both navigation and observation of the crew and sails.
 
2013-02-13 12:35:33 PM
"Oh, my God. He shiat everywhere. There's shiat everywhere! Damnit! There's shiat on the windows! Oh, my God! My house is full of shiat! He shiat everywhere! Look what he did! He shiat all over the walls! There's shiat everywhere!"
 
2013-02-13 12:37:15 PM
Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.
 
2013-02-13 12:37:57 PM
[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave.

Meh.

People sick and throwing up every where.

Meh. (Haven't seen anything like that since the Anita Bryant concert.)

its stifling hot below decks

Meh.

The "hamburgers" being served are meatless.

Meh.

All alcohol service has been cut off.

images.sodahead.com
 
2013-02-13 12:43:20 PM

Rev.K: Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.


Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises. About $60 a day pays for your hotel accommodations (the ship), your transportation (the ship), all you can eat, and all your entertainment. Visiting 4 countries/islands for $60 a day isn't possible another way. Try to find a round trip flight/hotel/all meals deal for $60 total a day. I even found a 10-night Hawaiian Islands to Mexico cruise for $299. It visited all the main Hawaiian Islands then sailed across the Pacific for 5 days to Mexico. So I'm not anti-cruise. Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one.
 
2013-02-13 12:43:34 PM

Rev.K: Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.


And when shiat like this happens, the company's response is usually "Okay, we'll give you a refund and a free cruise.  We're all good now, right?"

How the hell are these cruise lines still in business?  Why do people still want to go on floating hotels like this?
 
2013-02-13 12:54:36 PM
It's not a disability, it's an ability!!!

For...for the ship.
 
2013-02-13 12:55:21 PM

Walker: Rev.K: Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.

Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises. About $60 a day pays for your hotel accommodations (the ship), your transportation (the ship), all you can eat, and all your entertainment. Visiting 4 countries/islands for $60 a day isn't possible another way. Try to find a round trip flight/hotel/all meals deal for $60 total a day. I even found a 10-night Hawaiian Islands to Mexico cruise for $299. It visited all the main Hawaiian Islands then sailed across the Pacific for 5 days to Mexico. So I'm not anti-cruise. Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one.


Aso, once you go balcony, you don't back.
/came off an 8-day cruise two weeks ago

Here's my disgusting buffet line story from the last one:  I was sitting at a table near the salad bar waiting for my wife so we could go to the pool when I see a teenage girl at the salad bar taking a sip of the salad dressing with the ladel and then putting it back!!

//stay away from the buffet and always have breakfast and dinner in the dining room. I you do go to the buffet go the stations where the staff preparesf your food
 
2013-02-13 01:05:02 PM
I always wondered what a David Lynch-directed episode of "The Love Boat" would look like
 
2013-02-13 01:23:18 PM
A floating Sizzler wih Motel-6 rooms. No thanks.
 
2013-02-13 01:26:58 PM

Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.


I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.
 
2013-02-13 01:29:56 PM
Uh oh.  Pirates reported.
www.experiencejefferson.com
 
2013-02-13 01:30:13 PM
Found a pic of the Carnival spokesman:

www.brendanwalsh.us
 
2013-02-13 01:31:03 PM
Friend of ours is on it. He sent an email yesterday saying the worst part about it is now everyone knows he went on a carnival cruise. Aside from crappy a/c and longer lines, it isn't anywhere as near as bad as people are making it out to be.
 
2013-02-13 01:31:15 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Every deck is the poop deck.


you owe me a keyboard, sir.
 
2013-02-13 01:32:34 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Every deck is the poop deck.


Haha!
 
2013-02-13 01:32:53 PM

Walker: Gig103: Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.

How are passengers on a stranded ship in the middle of the ocean reporting this? If there is barely enough generator power to cook, or run the toilet system (electric pumps, not gravity fed for those who have never been on a ship), then they probably wouldn't have the internet or Cellular-At-Sea system up.

The communications systems are on emergency power. Many people called, emailed, tweeted, loved ones until their electronics went dead because there was nowhere to re-charge them.

Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194


The treasure trove of pictures that will start popping up online once they get back into port should be pure comedy gold.
 
2013-02-13 01:33:07 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: A floating Sizzler wih Motel-6 roomsclosets. No thanks.


FTFY
 
2013-02-13 01:34:10 PM

Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.


Gehennaval Cruise Lines.
 
2013-02-13 01:35:16 PM
The ship, the Carnival Triumph, is still at least a day from being guided to a port in Mobile, Ala.

So I expect we'll find out what was really going on in about a day when passengers start uploading their cell phone photos and videos.
 
2013-02-13 01:35:49 PM
I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.
 
2013-02-13 01:37:22 PM
Why doesn't the power system have better redundancy and graceful-failure modes?  If you have multiple engines and generators on the boat, separate them by firewalls and intervening space so that a single accident can't wipe out the entire thing.
 
2013-02-13 01:37:27 PM
So it's starting to look like the inside of the alien ship from District 9?
 
2013-02-13 01:37:40 PM
Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?
 
2013-02-13 01:37:54 PM
Cannibalism!!
 
2013-02-13 01:38:21 PM
Cruise ships are for the uber-lazy 'vacationeers'. You get what you deserve if you strap your ass to thousands of other yahoos for a float trip.
 
2013-02-13 01:38:36 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


Pee-er pressure.
 
2013-02-13 01:38:50 PM

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


 You don't understand, its Carnival.
ttcritic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-13 01:39:46 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Found a pic of the Carnival spokesman:

[www.brendanwalsh.us image 396x361]


That doesn't look like Baghdad Bob.
 
2013-02-13 01:40:26 PM

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


Most people don't know how to deal with any adversity whatsoever and will panic... especially when it comes to going without the magic that is indoor plumbing.
 
2013-02-13 01:40:39 PM
Those who write on cruise ship walls...
 
2013-02-13 01:41:01 PM
Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?
 
2013-02-13 01:41:52 PM
www.the-leaping-lamp.com
 
2013-02-13 01:42:10 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


Well 3 out of several thousand (probably) aren't such bad odds.
 
2013-02-13 01:42:18 PM

factoryconnection: AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.

Most people don't know how to deal with any adversity whatsoever and will panic... especially when it comes to going without the magic that is indoor plumbing.


Alternatively, Poo's law.
 
2013-02-13 01:43:47 PM
A cruise is quite possibly one of the best vacations you can have. The problem is that when things go wrong, you can't just go home. You're stuck there until God knows when.

The wife and I have plans to try a Disney cruise when the boy gets a bit older.
 
2013-02-13 01:44:22 PM
If they could see me now,
Right on fun ship cruise,
Fighting for some food
And walking over poos,
I'd like my friends at home to get a good look,
At this doomed hell-ship and walls dripping with dook.
The heat and smell gave me a fit,
And look at where you are,
What a farked ship, holy shiat,
They'll never believe it if my friends could see me now!
msnbcmedia.msn.com
 
2013-02-13 01:44:25 PM

Walker: The communications systems are on emergency power. Many people called, emailed, tweeted, loved ones until their electronics went dead because there was nowhere to re-charge them.

Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194


I like how two different people complained that there was no meat. I like meat too, but wtf?

I also like how it went from... "My sis just called. They have plenty of food; they are all fine but doesn't look like they will be back until Wednesday night. Said they are still having fun."  ...to...  "[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave. People sick and throwing up every where. " ...in less than two days.
 
2013-02-13 01:46:06 PM

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?


Sure, and then just transfer using breeches buoy.

/x1,000
 
2013-02-13 01:46:30 PM

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


You ever see that twilight zone where the power goes out for a bit and people start turning on eachother? There is a little truth to that.

Back during Sandy, we lost power in our building for about a week. Nice, upscale place.

While most people handled things fine, a few people inexplicably decided it meant society had crumbled, and were leaving trash in hallways or the trash rooms, instead of carrying it down a few flights of stairs, diapers wherever, breaking doors and what not to keep them propped open, all kinds of stupid stuff that there was really no explanation for, other than they decided that no power meant every other norm went out the window.

In short, you have a percentage of people who are jerks, and are just looking for an excuse to act on it. It only takes a handful of people to stop caring to turn things to shiat.

Me? I'd be thinking, "Hey, free vacation, free food and booze, cool story to tell everyone. So what if I have to poop in a bag a few times. I mean, that is almost a bonus, when else will I get to poop in a bag"
 
2013-02-13 01:46:54 PM
OK serisouly--how bad can it be? The pilgrims came over here on a ship with no running water, no hot food, etc. I could EASILY see this one idiot biatch I work with acting like the conditions on that ship are worse than conditions the slaves endured.  However, I could also see other people i know saying "eh, sucks, but its not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.  At least I am not at work"
 
2013-02-13 01:47:18 PM
www.csmonitor.com
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").
 
2013-02-13 01:47:41 PM
So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...
When the ship becomes disabled, why do they not pull it into the nearest port, get the folks OFF, and sent a replacement/backup/rescue ship to get those people out?
Why make them stay aboard a failed ship for another week with limited supplies while it gets slowly towed back to its home port??
 
2013-02-13 01:48:35 PM

factoryconnection: Most people don't know how to deal with any adversity whatsoever and will panic... especially when it comes to going without the magic that is indoor plumbing.


This is true. Maybe everyone should be forced to go camping at least once in their lives so they can learn to cope.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:13 PM

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


It has 3000+ people on it and probably fewer buckets. That's a lot of waste to be handled by bucket. The article does say that public restrooms are working. It's the cabin restrooms that aren't. So I would guess the crap on the walls comes from people dumping their waste bags out the windows and the people who have windows below them... well, the less said the better.

If a passenger has to pay more money to get a cabin on a higher deck, the rich are literally taking a shiat on the... uh, less wealthy.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:44 PM

oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").


Meh, I could put enough english on it to make that spare.
 
2013-02-13 01:49:45 PM

oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").


Your nautical-foo is weak old man, that ship sunk on its starboard side.
 
2013-02-13 01:50:13 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.


I think, please correct me if I'm wrong, that on cruises the boat doesn't slosh back and forth due to the size of the boat.
 
2013-02-13 01:50:21 PM

Gigglebyte: So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...
When the ship becomes disabled, why do they not pull it into the nearest port, get the folks OFF, and sent a replacement/backup/rescue ship to get those people out?
Why make them stay aboard a failed ship for another week with limited supplies while it gets slowly towed back to its home port??


I have never been on a cruise either but this one is an easy answer; $$$
 
2013-02-13 01:50:52 PM

cgraves67: If a passenger has to pay more money to get a cabin on a higher deck, the rich are literally taking a shiat on the... uh, less wealthy.


Trickle-down.
 
2013-02-13 01:51:14 PM

AxemRed: Walker: The communications systems are on emergency power. Many people called, emailed, tweeted, loved ones until their electronics went dead because there was nowhere to re-charge them.

Read these passenger reports: http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5194

I like how two different people complained that there was no meat. I like meat too, but wtf?

I also like how it went from... "My sis just called. They have plenty of food; they are all fine but doesn't look like they will be back until Wednesday night. Said they are still having fun."  ...to...  "[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave. People sick and throwing up every where. " ...in less than two days.


The incubation period of norovirus is 24 hours. They really should just scuttle it and call it a day.
 
2013-02-13 01:52:42 PM
Live feed from the Carnival news conference:

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2013-02-13 01:53:44 PM
running water and some working bathrooms


images.huffingtonpost.com

"Luxury."
 
2013-02-13 01:54:23 PM
When you think about it, these passengers are actually lucky they didn't get hit by any kind of storm. You DO NOT want to be on an un-powered non-sailboat that's sorta-top-heavy in a storm, probably better to be in the water, in some cases.
 
2013-02-13 01:56:00 PM

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


Risk of drowning warrants an empty boat being sent...but risk of poo-ing in a bucket and eating cheese sandwhiches for a week doesn't?
 
2013-02-13 01:56:18 PM
How much would you like to bet that there was some engineer or other underling that warned a higher up that some piece of vital maintenance was needed to prevent a breakdown just like this, only to have a bean counter with zero technical knowledge get a raging hard on from how much money he would appear to be saving the company by saying no?

Also, if the stories of feces and urine soaked everything are even partially true, how much time and effort do you think will be spent cleaning things up once the ship gets back to spacedock or wherever they do these things?
 
2013-02-13 01:56:52 PM

Gigglebyte: So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...
When the ship becomes disabled, why do they not pull it into the nearest port, get the folks OFF, and sent a replacement/backup/rescue ship to get those people out?
Why make them stay aboard a failed ship for another week with limited supplies while it gets slowly towed back to its home port??


The ship has no propulsion. It must be towed. That requires special tugboats. Those take a day or two to get there. While waiting, the ship drifted from the closest port in Mexico to 90 miles northeast due to currents. It is now just as close to Mobile, Alabama, which is where it is being towed.
 
2013-02-13 01:57:04 PM

Big Man On Campus: oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").

Your nautical-foo is weak old man, that ship sunk on its starboard side.


In the interest of giving the benefit of doubt to OFHenry, I was trying to figure out how that could a view of the stern.
But I 'spect you are correct, his nautic-foo is weak.
 
2013-02-13 01:57:17 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


Most people have a better sense of proportion than you do?  :)
 
2013-02-13 01:58:02 PM

someonelse: Have any passengers texted any pics of these walls o' poop?


Pretty much what I was thinking. If they can text and/or call to communicate how nasty it is, then they are definitely able to text photos. Not to mention it is a freakin' cruise... so I am sure that there are cameras galore. It would not be all that difficult to provide visual proof of the conditions.

BTW, isn't this the third cruise ship that a Carnival-owned company has had crap out within the last year? First the Concordia, then there was the one in the Pacific a couple weeks after the Concordia disaster, and finally this ship for this week. Their maintenance blows to hell and I will never, ever take a cruise with that company.

Not that I would go on a cruise anyway. Terrified of deep water.
 
2013-02-13 01:58:26 PM

Gigglebyte: So somebody help me out here: Having never been on a pleasure cruise, I don't understand...


Nor do I. But anybody dumb enough to take part in one at this point should just be fed to the sharks for the good of the gene pool.
 
2013-02-13 01:58:39 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


The Ecstasy sailed 78 times in 2000.

There are 24 ships in the Carnival fleet.

This gives us an approximate figure of 1,872 cruises per year.

Over 5 years, that would be 9,360 cruises.

With your incident rate, that's a less than 0.00032 chance of your cruise ending like this one.

Are you a gambler?
 
2013-02-13 01:58:42 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: He said passengers were given plastic bags to "use for their business."

What a bag of crap might look like:
[www.stephanspencer.com image 812x419]

[img0033.popscreencdn.com image 300x300]

Señor Bag-of-Crap is unimpressed.

[i49.tinypic.com image 297x170]


cdn2-b.examiner.com
a.abcnews.com
www.usnews.com
 
2013-02-13 01:58:58 PM

DownDaRiver: Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.

And of course passengers would never exaggerate the situation to gain attention and fodder for lawsuits and appearences on morniing talk shows.


This.  People will go out of their way to find something to whine about for attention, special treatment, discounts, or a free vacation.  Then, they threaten to sue when they don't feel they are getting enough.
 
2013-02-13 01:59:11 PM

Odd Bird: Big Man On Campus: oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").

Your nautical-foo is weak old man, that ship sunk on its starboard side.

In the interest of giving the benefit of doubt to OFHenry, I was trying to figure out how that could a view of the stern.
But I 'spect you are correct, his nautic-foo is weak.


Forgive me! All my nautical experience is on canoes, dammit!
 
2013-02-13 02:01:37 PM
People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.
 
2013-02-13 02:02:10 PM
What would you guys guess the profit margin for a cruise ship company is? It takes more maintenance and staff than a hotel, but only perhaps 2X what your average hotel requires. However their rates per night are way higher than your average Vegas suite on a weekend. Combine that with casinos on board... seems like owning a cruise ship company is mostly gravy.
 
2013-02-13 02:03:25 PM

Carth: Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?


The passageways are extended gutters and the gutters are full of poop and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their broken toilets and bags of poo will foam up about their waists and all the passengers and crew will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
 
2013-02-13 02:03:58 PM
not to sound like a pompous white middle-aged middle-class arrogant douche, but triumph is the worst ship in the carnival fleet, and carnival is the worst cruise line.

sailed this ship in 2011.  toilet flooded overnight on day 4 of 5 (at sea).  woke up to wet floors and one hell of a smell.  called housekeeping to let them know of the issue.  they promptly got to our room three hours later.  only solution they gave us was to fix the toilet and spend the day with a fan on the floor.  after writing carnival management to let them know about the unpleasant situation...their long winded response could have been abbreviated to just say "tough titty, try again next time".

tickets on carnival are cheap for a reason.  spend the extra money with someone else and enjoy your cruise, unless you enjoy shiatting in a bucket during your extended detour through alabama.

/oh yeah, and ncl everything is ala carte so expect to spend a lot more


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2013-02-13 02:04:56 PM
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"Mr Reeds, You stand accused of making up stories about the 'horrible conditions' here on Carnival"

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

"Your Fun-ishment: Eight hours in the penal conga line."
 
2013-02-13 02:05:03 PM
People expecting comfort experience worse conditions than at home. [Ironic] [Amusing]
 
2013-02-13 02:05:05 PM

FrancoFile: Why doesn't the power system have better redundancy and graceful-failure modes?  If you have multiple engines and generators on the boat, separate them by firewalls and intervening space so that a single accident can't wipe out the entire thing.


Because redundant systems cost money, and the cruise line owners want to maximize shareholder value.

Just think, one of those mutual funds you have your retirement in could be depend upon the profitability of some real asshole corporation  e.g. Monsanto or the Koch Brothers.
 
2013-02-13 02:05:17 PM

Wrath of Heaven: With your incident rate, that's a less than 0.00032 chance of your cruise ending like this one.


Yeah, but you're still on a cruise ship, so that sucks.
 
2013-02-13 02:05:20 PM

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


Ever try a ship to ship transfer in the open ocean with 6 foot swells? Good luck with that.
 
2013-02-13 02:05:34 PM

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


I was wondering the same thing.  If they can pull boats up to deliver supplies, then why can't they offload passengers?

And even better question is, if they can deliver supplies, why can't the bring a few Porta-potties?  That would solve their waste disposal problems.
 
2013-02-13 02:06:45 PM

AxemRed: I don't understand why there would be shiat everywhere. Can't they just poo in buckets and throw it overboard? Maybe one or two toilets overflowed, but the whole ship should not be covered in shiat after only a week.


Came here to say this. Possibly alluding to lots of toilets overflowing at once. Not saying it still isn't exaggerated.

However, I'm laffing hard at the idea of the line of thinking: "Our ship has had a huge power breakdown. Oh no! Better start dropping our turds in the corridors!"

"Toilet's not working, where do you expect me to go?" you say indignantly to passers-by as you down trou and park one on the carpet.

And then pretty soon all the passengers are doing it and there is SHIAT EVERYWHERE.
 
2013-02-13 02:07:21 PM
No air conditioning, long lines for food.......my god it is a travesty.  They are living like poor people.
 
2013-02-13 02:08:51 PM

AxemRed: I also like how it went from... "My sis just called. They have plenty of food; they are all fine but doesn't look like they will be back until Wednesday night. Said they are still having fun." ...to... "[Feces] and [urine] rolling across floor with every wave. People sick and throwing up every where. " ...in less than two days


Feces and urine may be in onlyu one part fo the ship.

You only go to the cabin areas where you are staying.


Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises. About $60 a day pays for your hotel accommodations (the ship), your transportation (the ship), all you can eat, and all your entertainment. Visiting 4 countries/islands for $60 a day isn't possible another way. Try to find a round trip flight/hotel/all meals deal for $60 total a day. I even found a 10-night Hawaiian Islands to Mexico cruise for $299. It visited all the main Hawaiian Islands then sailed across the Pacific for 5 days to Mexico. So I'm not anti-cruise. Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one


$60 dollars a day sounds very cheap.

The only benefit in my mind is the multiple destinations, but you don't really get to see an island in an afternoon.

And the price of booze is outrageous.

/two cruises one small "local" cruise line in greece around greek islands, and one from NYC to Bermuda (I think norweigian< it was a new "top of the line" ship)
 
2013-02-13 02:09:03 PM
It's truly inhuman conditions, all the have on TV is reruns of Walker, Texas Ranger.
 
2013-02-13 02:11:14 PM

Walker: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?

Ever try a ship to ship transfer in the open ocean with 6 foot swells? Good luck with that.


No, I prefer to explore myself instead of going on cruises so I didn't even consider it. I just saw they were transferring supplies so why not at least get off the very old and very young. I imagine Norovirus is going to hit that boat hard if it hasn't already.
 
2013-02-13 02:11:26 PM
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2013-02-13 02:11:29 PM

MBooda: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?

Sure, and then just transfer using breeches buoy.

/x1,000


I looked up Breeches Buoy on Wikipedia...There is a competition involving this device and I did not understand any of the words used to describe it.
 
2013-02-13 02:14:41 PM
Do you reckon there was heaps of 2 girls 1 cup action in amongst all the shiat-smeared corridors?
 
2013-02-13 02:14:43 PM
oldfarthenry: Forgive me! All my nautical experience is on canoes, dammit!

Pre-steamer watercraft?  Damn, you are old.  How 'bout some lemonade and hard candy?
 
2013-02-13 02:15:49 PM

Big Ramifications: Do you reckon there was heaps of 2 girls 1 cup action in amongst all the shiat-smeared corridors?


i lol'd.

then barf'd
 
2013-02-13 02:16:26 PM
First of all, cruises are for lazy dumbasses who can't plan a proper vacation.

Secondly, how hard can it be to get these people off the damn boat?
 
2013-02-13 02:17:25 PM

doczoidberg: First of all, cruises are for lazy dumbasses who can't plan a proper vacation.

Secondly, how hard can it be to get these people off the damn boat?


Unfortunately, there aren't many icebergs in the Gulf of Mexico.
 
2013-02-13 02:17:27 PM

Odd Bird: oldfarthenry: Forgive me! All my nautical experience is on canoes, dammit!

Pre-steamer watercraft?  Damn, you are old.  How 'bout some lemonade and hard candy?


Anything but that hardtack! (God-awful stuff)
 
2013-02-13 02:19:09 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.


A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?
images.travelpod.com
www.gotravel.com

Is this a crappy hotel theater?
cruisewise-static01.insnw.net

Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?
www.galaxsea.com

And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.
 
2013-02-13 02:20:03 PM

Walker: Of course the Carnival guy is gonna lie and say everyone on the ship is lying. There are numerous reports of raw sewage running down the ship's walls. This is like stuff out of the 9th level of Hell. They may actually have to make a new level of hell just for this.


You are actualy thinking of Bolgia 2 from the 8th circle of hell which is reserved for flatterers. They are seeped in human shiat to represent the words they used. The only real boat is on the 5th circle, but that's more of a skiff than a cruise ship.

The 9th circle of Hell is a vast cavern of ice in which Lucifer is imprisoned.

You wanna go classic literature? I'll go classic literature on that ass.
 
2013-02-13 02:21:19 PM

jjwars1: This. People will go out of their way to find something to whine about for attention, special treatment, discounts, or a free vacation. Then, they threaten to sue when they don't feel they are getting enough


That is what you have to do with cruise ships to get what you signed up for.

Which is my main beef with them.

durbnpoisn: And even better question is, if they can deliver supplies, why can't the bring a few Porta-potties? That would solve their waste disposal problems


If you could find a good place to bolt them down, you would still need to empty them.
 
2013-02-13 02:22:37 PM

Rev.K: Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.


Step 1: Register your ship under a foreign flag, so you don't have to pay for skilled sailors, instead you pay near slave wages to malnourished Hatians.
Step 2: Say daily prayers that nothing EVER goes wrong on a ship that will need skilled sailors to keep everyone safe and comfortable
Step 3: PROFIT!


Note: Step 2 doesn't always work.
 
2013-02-13 02:23:16 PM
I can't believe people on here are complaining about a goddamn cruise. Cruises are farking awesome. Except, you know, this one.
 
2013-02-13 02:24:41 PM

Big Ramifications: Do you reckon there was heaps of 2 girls 1 cup action in amongst all the shiat-smeared corridors?


No, but I imagine it would make one hell of a slip n slide. With  3 days worth of  greasy cheese-sammich poop and a running start, I bet you could easily slide 100ft or more.
 
2013-02-13 02:25:38 PM

Wrath of Heaven: Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?

The Ecstasy sailed 78 times in 2000.

There are 24 ships in the Carnival fleet.

This gives us an approximate figure of 1,872 cruises per year.

Over 5 years, that would be 9,360 cruises.

With your incident rate, that's a less than 0.00032 chance of your cruise ending like this one.

Are you a gambler?


I could get that chance even lower by vacationing on land.
 
2013-02-13 02:26:35 PM
Princess Cruise lines can save a lot on advertising by one simple commercial.

Princess Cruise Lines - We're not Carnival..
 
2013-02-13 02:27:50 PM

Walker: Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one.


I've been on one, and may go on one again (wife wants to go).  However, I'm not a fan.  Here's why:
- I don't gamble
- I don't want to spend my vacation lying in the sun, I want to actually do something/see something new
- I don't want to do hokey group activities with people I don't know or care to know
- Buffet food tends to make me sick
- fark bringing a suit/tuxedo for the one night you're supposed to wear it
- When I visit a new country, 10 hours just isn't enough to take in the sites, culture, and foods

That said, they're a great value and if you're the type of person who flies to the Caribbean just to spend every day laying in a recliner next to the pool, or all day in a casino playing the slots, cruises are just the thing for you.  They'd be perfect for my dad if he was in better health.
 
2013-02-13 02:28:03 PM

Walker: Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?


Considering how many people are around it yes.  I want some semblance of seclusion on vacation, otherwise I'd just do a day trip to the waterpark.
 
2013-02-13 02:29:10 PM
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2013-02-13 02:32:37 PM

Walker: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?
[And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.


While most of Canada was freezing a few weeks ago, I was climbing red rock buttes with my two little kids (real rocks, not fibreglass ones), exploring a pinon forest (naturally grown!), going to an NHL hockey game, seeing centuries old cliff dwellings, and enjoying home-cooked meals in a 2-bedroom, 1200 sq. ft condo that didn't move AT ALL, all for less than the price of ONE cruise ticket, and I didn't have to jostle with anyone.  :)  To each their own, but you'll never catch me aboard one of those things again, ever (did it once just to see).

And also, those pool area pics make me claustrophobic.
 
2013-02-13 02:34:31 PM

Big Ramifications: However, I'm laffing hard at the idea of the line of thinking: "Our ship has had a huge power breakdown. Oh no! Better start dropping our turds in the corridors!"


Cruise Director Mackey says:
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"Oh, ya think that's funny, huh? Let me assure you, there is nothing funny about going into a nice, clean, unsuspecting passageway, m'kay, dropping your pants, then turning around, squatting over the carpet, m'kay, maybe, maybe, pulling your butt cheeks apart with your hands, m'kay, and then laying out a big spicy fudge dragon for all the world to see. "
 
2013-02-13 02:34:59 PM
To everyone who enjoys cruises, you keep on doing what you love.

Me being a seasick motherf*cker, I'll just stay on land.
 
2013-02-13 02:36:08 PM

12349876: Walker: Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?

Considering how many people are around it yes.  I want some semblance of seclusion on vacation, otherwise I'd just do a day trip to the waterpark.


Sounds like we're of the same mind, the cruise ship draw eludes me.  Others may like what we don't, but they're out to spite you.
 
2013-02-13 02:37:14 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu:  He said passengers were given plastic bags to "use for their business."

What a bag of crap might look like:
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Señor Bag-of-Crap is unimpressed.

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So they are taking the most biodegradeable substance know to man and putting it in a bag. Yep that seems logical when you are floating in the ocean
 
2013-02-13 02:38:03 PM
"Conditions on disabled cruise ship in dispute."

Yeah, and the availablity of lifeboats was in dispute on the Titanic - as in first class got them, and steerage watched them paddle away.

I'm sure the first class passengers are doing fine, especially in the higher, roomier cabins that open to the breeze. The guys down in the dark, hot corridors with the overflowing toilets and crap coming out their showers? Not so much.

One cruise, two experiences.
 
2013-02-13 02:38:32 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: FrancoFile: Why doesn't the power system have better redundancy and graceful-failure modes?  If you have multiple engines and generators on the boat, separate them by firewalls and intervening space so that a single accident can't wipe out the entire thing.

Because redundant systems cost money, and the cruise line owners want to maximize shareholder value.

Just think, one of those mutual funds you have your retirement in could be depend upon the profitability of some real asshole corporation  e.g. Monsanto or the Koch Brothers.


A, the politics tab is over there --->
And 2, in the long run, separation of critical systems is a way to save money,
 
2013-02-13 02:38:46 PM

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?


They did send another boat to rescue them.  Two, in fact.  Tug boats.

\you really think there's a billion-dollar cruise ship sitting idle nearby, waiting for a disaster like this to strike?
 
2013-02-13 02:41:04 PM
No side is going to be 100% truthful in this carnival  wants to minimize the situation to save face and some passengers want to make it seems as bad as it can be with an eye to lawsuits and legal settlements.   I would be more inclined to believe a passenger over the cruise line but even take that with a grain of salt.

We will likely never see interior shots of the cruise ship in question as Carnival is going to do all it can to keep images of what is really going on in the ship a secret.
 
2013-02-13 02:41:59 PM
What I like to do on vacation is objectively better than what you like to do on vacation and if you disagree you are stupid.
 
2013-02-13 02:42:25 PM

Walker: Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?


Actually, yes. Yes it does. It looks like way too many fat honkeys crammed into too small an area, and I don't even see a pool, just a couple little hot tubs. I grant you the theater looks pretty nice, but I can't spend all my time in a theater. I'm more interested in what the cabins look like.

Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc.

You know what else has trees, real grass lawns, and rock walls? The great outdoors. And there's a lot more of them than they can stuff onto a boat. Still don't understand the appeal.
 
2013-02-13 02:46:53 PM
I can't imagine being part of the clean up crew once this sucker gets pulled back to port.

Better to just nuke it from orbit, etc etc.
 
2013-02-13 02:46:54 PM

durbnpoisn: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?

I was wondering the same thing.  If they can pull boats up to deliver supplies, then why can't they offload passengers?

And even better question is, if they can deliver supplies, why can't the bring a few Porta-potties?  That would solve their waste disposal problems.


A few?  There are almost five thousand people on that boat.  That kind of crowd would require 50 portajons for every 12-hour period.  Unless you think they're also going to deliver one of those cleaning trucks as well...
 
2013-02-13 02:48:57 PM

Walker: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area? -

Given the person/poll size ratio, Yes.
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Is this a crappy hotel theater?
Looks pretty good.
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Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?
For a vacation spot, that is goign to be  amain hang out after dark, yes.
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And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.


There may be more restaurants onthe ship than days there, but you are going to have better selection off a ship.

Those places you visited were all tourist traps, and if booked through the cruise line, overpriced.
 
2013-02-13 02:51:16 PM

wild9: MBooda: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?

Sure, and then just transfer using breeches buoy.

/x1,000

I looked up Breeches Buoy on Wikipedia...There is a competition involving this device and I did not understand any of the words used to describe it.


There are only two words you need to understand with regards to a breeches buoy competition: "goat rope".

/or "cluster", and I forget the second one
 
2013-02-13 02:51:58 PM
Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?
 
2013-02-13 03:00:24 PM

Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?


Pretty much, I have enjoyed the few cruises I have taken but I have never taken a Caribbean cruise, most of the bad experiences I've heard of stem from those cruises.

/Alaska was a kick ass cruise
//River Cruise of the Danube was one of the best vacations of my life.
 
2013-02-13 03:01:32 PM

Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?


Most people who bash eating shiat have never eaten shiat.  Isn't that always just the way?
 
2013-02-13 03:01:51 PM

ampoliros: A cruise is quite possibly one of the best vacations you can have. The problem is that when things go wrong, you can't just go home. You're stuck there until God knows when.

The wife and I have plans to try a Disney cruise when the boy gets a bit older.


Disney manages to keep their ducks in a row a lot better than Carnival.

We did a 3 night cruise on the Dream last spring. We have a 4 night on the Dream booked for this fall. We absolutely loved it... we don't even have kids and we had an absolute blast.

When we booked the first cruise people told us that we'd be ruined for other cruise lines (Disney Cruise Line has a rep for fantastic customer service). We've not tried any other lines, but honestly, DCL was so great I see no need to do so. They aren't cheap, but it's because it's worth it.
 
2013-02-13 03:02:36 PM
Places I visited on a cruise in December:
-San Diego, California
-Honolulu, Hawaii
-Hilo, Hawaii
-Lahaina, Hawaii
-Fanning Island, Kiribati
-Rarotonga, Cook Islands
-Raiatea, French Polynesia
-Bora Bora, French Polynesia
-Bahia d Opunoha, Moorea
-Papeete, French Polynesia
-Nuku Hiva, French Polynesia

Places I'm going to visit on the cruise next month:
-Rome (Civitavecchia), Italy
-Olympia (Katakolon), Greece
-Athens (Piraeus), Greece
-Ephesus (Izmir), Turkey
-Istanbul, Turkey
-Naples, Italy

Places I'm going to visit on a cruise in July:
-Boston, Massachusetts
-Bonne Bay, Newfoundland, Canada
-Red Bay, Labrador, Canada
-Qaqortoq, Greenland
-Prince Christian Sund
-Isafjardurdjur
-Akureyri, Iceland
-Eyjafjordur
-Seydisfjordur, Iceland
-Torshavn, Faroe Islands
-Bergen, Norway
-Stavanger, Norway
-Lysefjord
-Amsterdam, The Netherlands
-Dunmore East (Waterford), Ireland
-Dublin, Ireland
-Belfast, Northern Ireland
-Djupivogur, Iceland
-Heimaey, Iceland
-Reykjavik, Iceland
-Nanortalik, Greenland
-St Anthony, Newfoundland, Canada
-St. Johns, Newfoundland, Canada
-Bar Harbor, Maine

Without question, if you want to see a lot of the world, for between $35 and $50 a day (including food), there's no better way than cruising.
 
2013-02-13 03:03:07 PM
I'd rather go to my place out in the country and have the entire property to just my lady and myself. No mouth breathers, fatties, bogus captain, or Clampetts on vacation.The exception will be that I will be the lone smart ass on site. I know it and she knows it.
 
2013-02-13 03:03:49 PM

TNel: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

I think, please correct me if I'm wrong, that on cruises the boat doesn't slosh back and forth due to the size of the boat.


It's a combination of the size of the ship, plus cruise ships use stabilizers to minimize the roll.
 
2013-02-13 03:06:14 PM
smallscreenscoop.com
 
2013-02-13 03:09:50 PM

MrSteve007: Bunch of places

Without question, if you want to see a lot of the world, for between $35 and $50 a day (including food), there's no better way than cruising.


Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.
 
2013-02-13 03:10:14 PM

CheekyMonkey: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?

They did send another boat to rescue them.  Two, in fact.  Tug boats.

\you really think there's a billion-dollar cruise ship sitting idle nearby, waiting for a disaster like this to strike?


So what do they send if there actually is a sinking cruise ship that far from land? Has it happened in modern times? I can't imagine they would airlift all the boats.
 
2013-02-13 03:10:49 PM

MrSteve007: if you want to see a lot of the world


See being the key word.  If you want to actually KNOW a place, three nights minimum on land.
 
2013-02-13 03:12:19 PM

12349876: See being the key word.


I think he's using the Navy definition of "see the world".
 
2013-02-13 03:12:51 PM

Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?


Some people know, without trying it, that it isn't for them.  If I'm on vacation, and fancy a walk, I'm talking about a 5-mile hike in the mountains, not a 5-minute walk around the poop deck.  I could provide numerous additional examples, but you get my point, no?
 
2013-02-13 03:15:23 PM

Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?


I've never watched a 24 hour marathon of Honey Boo Boo but I can still certain with a high degree of certainty I wouldn't enjoy it.
 
2013-02-13 03:15:52 PM
If they started serving cheese sandwiches at the outset, they could have minimized the poo problem, at least for a few days
 
2013-02-13 03:18:31 PM

ronaprhys: Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.


When it comes to the longer cruises, some of the stops are your ~14 hour one-day deals (arrival at 6am, sailing at 8pm), however at the more major sites (say Istanbul, Papeete, Amsterdam, Rome, Reykjavik) we spend two solid days at the cities (5am arrivals, overnight at dock, and then 8pm sailings the next day.

Will you see absolutely everything? No, of course not. But you'll see quite a lot.
 
2013-02-13 03:18:34 PM

tricycleracer: 12349876: See being the key word.

I think he's using the Navy definition of "see the world".


The Navy's definition of "see the world" involves being guarded by Marines and basically serving as a sea-going cargo service for the actual people who fight.

/Air Force Reserves.  Mechanic - so yes, you can mock me, too.  But at least our mascot isn't a goat.  And at least we didn't volunteer to be stuck on a boat full of nothing but other guys.
//NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-13 03:21:17 PM

Walker: A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?


Yes, It's TOO crowded.

Is this a crappy hotel theater?

Yes, the seats don't recline and there's all-but-useless drink tables in the way of my legroom. Doesn't look comfortable.

Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?

In fairness, no, that looks like a nice bar.

And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.

Ok, but you could get *ALL* of those things and more at an actual land-based resort. So why do them on a somewhat-restricted-in-capability steel tourist barge? Is it just to be on the water and visit exotic locales? You can do that by learning to sail and chartering your own barebones sailboat for dirt cheap, plus the locals like you more when you do this.
 
2013-02-13 03:21:45 PM

MrSteve007: ronaprhys: Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.

When it comes to the longer cruises, some of the stops are your ~14 hour one-day deals (arrival at 6am, sailing at 8pm), however at the more major sites (say Istanbul, Papeete, Amsterdam, Rome, Reykjavik) we spend two solid days at the cities (5am arrivals, overnight at dock, and then 8pm sailings the next day.

Will you see absolutely everything? No, of course not. But you'll see quite a lot.


Two days in a major city wouldn't be my idea of seeing something.  Of course, when my wife and I actually decide to vacation somewhere, we're there for a week or more.  It lets us see the major sites, but also bunches of the lesser known stuff, meet people, etc.
 
2013-02-13 03:26:59 PM
Cheese sandwiches, $11, twenties only. No change!
 
2013-02-13 03:27:03 PM

MrSteve007: Places I visited on a cruise in December:
-San Diego, California
-Honolulu, Hawaii
-Hilo, Hawaii
-Lahaina, Hawaii
-Fanning Island, Kiribati
-Rarotonga, Cook Islands
-Raiatea, French Polynesia
-Bora Bora, French Polynesia
-Bahia d Opunoha, Moorea
-Papeete, French Polynesia
-Nuku Hiva, French Polynesia

Places I'm going to visit on the cruise next month:
-Rome (Civitavecchia), Italy
-Olympia (Katakolon), Greece
-Athens (Piraeus), Greece
-Ephesus (Izmir), Turkey
-Istanbul, Turkey
-Naples, Italy

Places I'm going to visit on a cruise in July:
-Boston, Massachusetts
-Bonne Bay, Newfoundland, Canada
-Red Bay, Labrador, Canada
-Qaqortoq, Greenland
-Prince Christian Sund
-Isafjardurdjur
-Akureyri, Iceland
-Eyjafjordur
-Seydisfjordur, Iceland
-Torshavn, Faroe Islands
-Bergen, Norway
-Stavanger, Norway
-Lysefjord
-Amsterdam, The Netherlands
-Dunmore East (Waterford), Ireland
-Dublin, Ireland
-Belfast, Northern Ireland
-Djupivogur, Iceland
-Heimaey, Iceland
-Reykjavik, Iceland
-Nanortalik, Greenland
-St Anthony, Newfoundland, Canada
-St. Johns, Newfoundland, Canada
-Bar Harbor, Maine

Without question, if you want to see very little of a lot of the world, for between $35 and $50 a day (including food), there's no better way than cruising.


FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...
 
2013-02-13 03:27:50 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.


In the company of hundreds of old people whiling away the years before merciful death intervenes, and a few spinster librarians looking desperately for love. What larks.
 
2013-02-13 03:28:12 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Isn't this something like the third time this has happened in the last five years? Why the hell would anyone step foot on a cruse ship?


It doesn't happen often.

Think about it this way: an astounding number of people die every day in car accidents and yet nobody gives that any thought before getting behind the wheel.
 
2013-02-13 03:28:58 PM
ts2.mm.bing.net
I'll have me some of that hot hot Julie McCoy action please...
 
2013-02-13 03:33:34 PM

Walker: Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area? Is this a crappy hotel theater? Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?


Yes, yes and yes. Tacky and vulgar.
 
2013-02-13 03:34:47 PM

CheekyMonkey: FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...


Exactly. If you want to say you actually explored exotic locales, that doesn't cut it. Cruising by a small port for less than 12 hours and getting back on the ship in time for the NFC championship game might as well qualify you to say you looked up a country on Wikipedia. That's not touring the world, that's just an annoyance to those who live in the area.
 
2013-02-13 03:35:32 PM

Carth: CheekyMonkey: Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them? If the boat had sunk would they be stranded in those little lifeboats for a week before anyone could get to them?

They did send another boat to rescue them.  Two, in fact.  Tug boats.

\you really think there's a billion-dollar cruise ship sitting idle nearby, waiting for a disaster like this to strike?

So what do they send if there actually is a sinking cruise ship that far from land? Has it happened in modern times? I can't imagine they would airlift all the boats.


That's an entirely different situation, and requires an entirely different response.  In this case, no one is in any immediate danger, so all that gets sent is 2 tugboats to tow the ship to the nearest port.  If a cruise ship was actually sinking, then every vessel in the immediate area would help out.  Don't quote me on this, but I think there may be some sort of maritime law or historical precedent about being duty-bound to assist in the case of a 'mayday' situation.  Perhaps some Farker with a GED in Sailing can clarify.
 
2013-02-13 03:36:24 PM

MrSteve007: ronaprhys: Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.

When it comes to the longer cruises, some of the stops are your ~14 hour one-day deals (arrival at 6am, sailing at 8pm), however at the more major sites (say Istanbul, Papeete, Amsterdam, Rome, Reykjavik) we spend two solid days at the cities (5am arrivals, overnight at dock, and then 8pm sailings the next day.

Will you see absolutely everything? No, of course not. But you'll see quite a lot.


God, I've spent two weeks in Rome, Amsterdam and Istanbul each. I can't imagine trying to see any of them in 36 hours
 
2013-02-13 03:37:44 PM

doczoidberg: First of all, cruises are for lazy dumbasses who can't plan a proper vacation.

Secondly, how hard can it be to get these people off the damn boat?


Transferring people to a launch in open water isn't trivial.  The smaller launch will be bobbing up and down relative to the more stable ship.  Ideally, you time it so that you step off the gangway (or let go of the rope net or ladder) when the launch is at the top of it's cycle, or just on the way down. In 6 foot seas, your cycle will make that last step anywhere between 1 and 7 feet.

Your view isn't great as you hang from the end of the ladder, and the cycle of the waves isn't perfectly regular.  Know that feeling when you think you're all the way down a flight of stairs, but you're not, and you take a step?  Same kind of feeling, except for the larger drop.  And, just for fun, if you fall into the drink between the ship and the launch, there's a good chance you'll be crushed if the launch pilot isn't really on the ball that day.

Able bodied people can do it with care.  Fatties and the frail will be injured by the score, and a few will figure even manage to die.  Cargo is routinely lost during transfers like this, but lost cargo (ship's stores) never results in a lawsuit.

/ex Merchant Marine
//Loves ships, hates passengers
 
2013-02-13 03:37:57 PM

MrSteve007: Places I'm going to visit on the cruise next month:
-Rome (Civitavecchia), Italy
-Olympia (Katakolon), Greece
-Athens (Piraeus), Greece
-Ephesus (Izmir), Turkey
-Istanbul, Turkey
-Naples, Italy


I did most of those places last year on an Eastern Med cruise on my 20th anniversary, did the Western on my 10th.
/European cruises are a lot of fun... and work.
 
2013-02-13 03:38:12 PM

realmolo: People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.


I reckon you get what you pay for.  Or get paid for.
 
2013-02-13 03:40:40 PM
if they think that boat is bad, wait til they get to alabama.
 
2013-02-13 03:40:41 PM

Big Man On Campus: CheekyMonkey: FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...

Exactly. If you want to say you actually explored exotic locales, that doesn't cut it. Cruising by a small port for less than 12 hours and getting back on the ship in time for the NFC championship game might as well qualify you to say you looked up a country on Wikipedia. That's not touring the world, that's just an annoyance to those who live in the area.


YES. You may as well not go at all then. Fark it. Just stay home if you can't spend a solid week in any particular destination.


Geez, lighten up. Some of you need that pic of the kid getting all bent out of shape over a board game because people enjoy something you've never tried and don't think you'll like. So farking what?

Yeah, I spent only a few hours in Nassau, but we explored forts (they weren't as awesome as I was expecting) and had a good time learning about Junkanoo (had never heard of it, but I can get behind any kind of festival that's a big middle finger to authoritarian asshole slavers). So we didn't run around the island for a few days. Big whoop. It isn't like we'd have ended up there anyway.

Just because you take a couple bites of a culture instead of making a meal of it doesn't mean the experience is wasted.
 
2013-02-13 03:43:50 PM
So what do they send if there actually is a sinking cruise ship that far from land? Has it happened in modern times? I can't imagine they would airlift all the boats.

Condolences.

/And Lawyers.  Lots and lots of lawyers.
 
2013-02-13 03:45:01 PM

MrSteve007: ronaprhys: Well, I think it'd be more correct to say if you want to spend 27 minutes in some places that sound really cool, but not actually experience the culture, see the less visited sites, and get a feel for the local area, then cruises are a great deal.

When it comes to the longer cruises, some of the stops are your ~14 hour one-day deals (arrival at 6am, sailing at 8pm), however at the more major sites (say Istanbul, Papeete, Amsterdam, Rome, Reykjavik) we spend two solid days at the cities (5am arrivals, overnight at dock, and then 8pm sailings the next day.

Will you see absolutely everything? No, of course not. But you'll see quite a lot.



Quantity vs. quality.
 
2013-02-13 03:45:51 PM

CheekyMonkey: Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...


I agree. You gotta wake up in a place and have time to explore it. Be there long enough to get off the beaten trail. Be there at night. Have enough time to make new plans on a whim.

Seeing new places by cruise seems like staying in a scary hotel that only lets you outdoors when they feel like it.
 
2013-02-13 03:54:27 PM
Sounds like a lot of Farkers go on vacation to get the hell away from other people, instead of being stuck on a boat with several thousand strangers.

/and that's why I love this place
 
2013-02-13 03:56:04 PM

Big Man On Campus: Walker: A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?

Yes, It's TOO crowded.

Is this a crappy hotel theater?

Yes, the seats don't recline and there's all-but-useless drink tables in the way of my legroom. Doesn't look comfortable.

Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?

In fairness, no, that looks like a nice bar.

And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.

Ok, but you could get *ALL* of those things and more at an actual land-based resort. So why do them on a somewhat-restricted-in-capability steel tourist barge? Is it just to be on the water and visit exotic locales? You can do that by learning to sail and chartering your own barebones sailboat for dirt cheap, plus the locals like you more when you do this.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200634/Paul-Rachel-Chandler -C ouple-held-hostage-Somali-pirates-set-sail-round-world-trip.html

They're vacation started like this;
i.dailymail.co.uk

and ended like this;

www.channel4.com
 
2013-02-13 03:56:28 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Big Ramifications: However, I'm laffing hard at the idea of the line of thinking: "Our ship has had a huge power breakdown. Oh no! Better start dropping our turds in the corridors!"

Cruise Director Mackey says:

"Oh, ya think that's funny, huh? Let me assure you, there is nothing funny about going into a nice, clean, unsuspecting passageway, m'kay, dropping your pants, then turning around, squatting over the carpet, m'kay, maybe, maybe, pulling your butt cheeks apart with your hands, m'kay, and then laying out a big spicy fudge dragon for all the world to see. "


Big Spicy Fudge Dragon is my new band name.
 
2013-02-13 03:57:09 PM
akula:
Just because you take a couple bites of a culture instead of making a meal of it doesn't mean the experience is wasted.

True, but why take such small bites? When I eat Mexican food, I don't ask for the salsa to be watered down. When I eat curry, I don't tell the waiter that I'm white so please tone down the spices. Why water down the experience when there are ways, even cheaper ways, to experience a LOT more?

The past couple of years has seen me become an adequate sailor on your average single-mannable sailboat. That was as difficult as signing up to crew on a racing sailboat at a local marina. There are hundreds of companies that will rent you a sailboat to cruise around MANY areas of the world, and you can pick your season (outside hurricane/cyclone season). If renting doesn't sound safe, you can actually volunteer to crew on other peoples boats, there's lots of people who have a retirement dream of sailing the pacific, but not enough crew to be well-rested while doing it. Yes, you'll have less privacy. Yes you'll have to do some physical work. Big Whoop, you'll be able to anchor in places like this:
www.hotelclub.com
...without another soul around for miles... for as long as you can convince the skipper to stay...

THAT ^^^ sounds like a true vacation to me. Accessibility to zip lines or rock walls or a pool deck while trying to avoid crowds does not.
 
2013-02-13 03:58:02 PM

SpectroBoy: Seeing new places by cruise seems like staying in a scary hotel that only lets you outdoors when they feel like it.


Plus, if you're me, you've always got that mental clock counting down time in your head.  "Ok, it's 12:30 now, which means I have a little more than 7 hours to see x, y and do z"  "Ok, this is fun, but do I have enough time left"  You spend so much time worrying about how much time you have left or missing the cut off time that you can't truly relax and enjoy what you're doing.
 
2013-02-13 04:02:57 PM
And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.

I doubt you have climbed a waterfall unless it was inactive.  The downward current would keep knocking you off.

As for cruises being so great,  that is true for the cruise lines that do not cater to poor people.  Carnivale is not one of them.
 
2013-02-13 04:03:06 PM
CheapEngineer:
They're vacation started like this;

and ended like this;


1) Don't sail near unstable countries.
2) Don't sail into war zones.
3) Don't announce your intended destination/planned route to people.
4) Own weapons, know how and when to use them, know how and when to hide them. There are no police on the open ocean.
 
2013-02-13 04:04:00 PM

akula: Big Man On Campus: CheekyMonkey: FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...

Exactly. If you want to say you actually explored exotic locales, that doesn't cut it. Cruising by a small port for less than 12 hours and getting back on the ship in time for the NFC championship game might as well qualify you to say you looked up a country on Wikipedia. That's not touring the world, that's just an annoyance to those who live in the area.

YES. You may as well not go at all then. Fark it. Just stay home if you can't spend a solid week in any particular destination.


Geez, lighten up. Some of you need that pic of the kid getting all bent out of shape over a board game because people enjoy something you've never tried and don't think you'll like. So farking what?

Yeah, I spent only a few hours in Nassau, but we explored forts (they weren't as awesome as I was expecting) and had a good time learning about Junkanoo (had never heard of it, but I can get behind any kind of festival that's a big middle finger to authoritarian asshole slavers). So we didn't run around the island for a few days. Big whoop. It isn't like we'd have ended up there anyway.

Just because you take a couple bites of a culture instead of making a meal of it doesn't mean the experience is wasted.


No, it's just not the experience that some of us are looking for.  My original post on this subject was in reply to someone who was boasting about the long list of different places they'd visited on cruises.  My point is that they saw very little of any of those places.

\I'd rather see the entire season of, say, The Walking Dead, instead of just the first 10 minutes of Episode 4, but that's just me...
 
2013-02-13 04:05:14 PM

Big Man On Campus: True, but why take such small bites?


Maybe because it fits someone's preferences more. Not everybody wants to experience things the hard way and see the gritty reality.

I deal with reality all the time. It's what I vacation to get away from. If I want to deal with bullshiat, I do that enough in the course of my normal life. When I go on vacation I like to not worry about things. That's one of the advantages of a cruise... there's people there to take care of things.

Sure, a sailboat sounds like fun... for the right person. I don't know that it sounds like much fun to me, but I'm not you. We quite enjoyed our cruise and we're going back for more- we only barely scratched the surface on our last one, and we met new people (yes, from all around the world... had a great conversation with a Serbian waitress).

Not everything needs to be a full immersion experience. It's different strokes for different folks. What I don't get is why you and some others seem to think a modern cruise ship (in good repair, unlike that POS hulk in TFA) is hell on earth and the farthest thing possible from legitimate travel. Just because you're not there for days on end doesn't mean the trip was worthless. Sure, you get a better and deeper experience when you're there longer. But there's something to be said for breadth of experience too, not just depth.
 
2013-02-13 04:13:55 PM

Big Man On Campus: CheapEngineer:
They're vacation started like this;

and ended like this;

1) Don't sail near unstable countries.
2) Don't sail into war zones.
3) Don't announce your intended destination/planned route to people.
4) Own weapons, know how and when to use them, know how and when to hide them. There are no police on the open ocean.


That's what these guys did, and look where it got *them*!

www.bostonboatingblog.com

\'Where ya goin'?"
\\"Nowhere. Just a 3 hour Tour."
 
2013-02-13 04:17:05 PM

akula: But there's something to be said for breadth of experience too, not just depth.


If you don't simply hand cash/control over to a cruising corporation to handle all the details of your fun, you can get both.

I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.
 
2013-02-13 04:18:23 PM
CheapEngineer:
That's what these guys did, and look where it got *them*!

Well, when I consider how difficult it might have been for Gilligan to make friends with a hot redhead supermodel outside of the island, I think it wasn't all lemons.
 
2013-02-13 04:19:15 PM

ShawnDoc: SpectroBoy: Seeing new places by cruise seems like staying in a scary hotel that only lets you outdoors when they feel like it.

Plus, if you're me, you've always got that mental clock counting down time in your head.  "Ok, it's 12:30 now, which means I have a little more than 7 hours to see x, y and do z"  "Ok, this is fun, but do I have enough time left"  You spend so much time worrying about how much time you have left or missing the cut off time that you can't truly relax and enjoy what you're doing.


YOU ARE ME?!

That's exactly the feeling I was trying to put my finger on.  It's why I'm always sitting in the airport that stupid effing two hours before flight time that they recommend, bored out of my mind.
 
2013-02-13 04:22:39 PM

Big Man On Campus: I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.


You're not making one bit of sense. Your analogy of flying/cruising to motorcycle/bus just sucks. You will NEVER be part of the places you visit. Not going to happen. Maybe by hanging out in a hostel or something you feel you're getting the real feel, but it still isn't. If you aren't buying a house/flat, getting a job, and making your way in the world you're just transitory. The only difference is in the length of your stay.

So you hate cruises without having been on one. Yay you. Feel free to stand in judgment over those who have been places on a cruise ship. You just end up coming across like a judgmental asshole. I don't doubt there's those who have experienced Nassau in ways that are deeper and more meaningful from my experience. I don't give a shiat. I had a good time and moved on. That's what I was after. If the locals didn't like it, at least they liked my money enough to pretend they enjoyed our presence until we left. They're probably doing the same thing to you. NOBODY likes tourists when they come to visit... doesn't matter if they got off a boat, an airplane, or a UFO.

If the people on the cruise feel like they're getting the experience they wanted and enjoyed, why do you feel the need to shiat all over it? Do you go up to kids who are happily eating their Hydrox and tell them that they're missing our because their parents are cheap bastards who didn't buy Oreos?
 
2013-02-13 04:23:15 PM

Tom_Slick: Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?

Pretty much, I have enjoyed the few cruises I have taken but I have never taken a Caribbean cruise, most of the bad experiences I've heard of stem from those cruises.

/Alaska was a kick ass cruise
//River Cruise of the Danube was one of the best vacations of my life.


Oh? It wasn't just the one I was on?

Carnival is the only cruise line I've been on, that has every cut a destination out of a journey. Why? Waves were to high to use the launches. Why not dock? Oooh, that costs money.

Princess lines are more expensive, but more inclusive. And the crowd is older, but after 10 PM, it's wild parties with staffers, and trophy wives.

/over 10 cruises, not counting gator freighter floats.
//bad cyclone between Okinawa and Subic Bay RP, in '83. Really messed up the LSD Peoria. Hot dogs and reconstituted mashed potatoes 3x a day, but hey, they'd let you have as much as you wanted.
///the squids suffered worse than we did.
 
2013-02-13 04:24:01 PM

Walker: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?
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Is this a crappy hotel theater?
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Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?
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And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.


Did you say stabilizers?
 
2013-02-13 04:24:55 PM
Cruising, like anything else in life, depends on what you put into it. If you do the necessary prep work ahead of time, you can make a cruise into an awesoem vacation.

Booking private tours in port is a must. You get a much more personal experience with a local guide who will take you to the less-traveled spots without having to deal with a massive crowd of your fellow cruisers. Local guides will also use a smaller vehicle that can get you closer to the local sights than the massive buses used by the cruise tours. 

On our last cruise, my partner and I:

Had a private tasting at a vineyard in Tuscany
Got a behind-the-scenes tour of the Duomo in Florence
Had a guide and history epxert explain the uses of the buildings in Pompeii
Walked the main drag at Taormina  and toured the Greek Theater on our own
Had a private guide give us an art history tour of churches in Venice
Had an historian explain the origin and colorful past of the Colosseum in Rome

Sure, the limited time in port doesn't allow the lengthy exploration you get when you travel independently, but at a cruise is an excellent way to get a taste of a country that you can then go back and explore on your own.
 
2013-02-13 04:27:00 PM

akula: Big Man On Campus: I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.

You're not making one bit of sense.


Yes I am. If you rode motorcycles the analogy would make perfect sense to you.
 
2013-02-13 04:30:46 PM

Big Man On Campus: Yes I am. If you rode motorcycles the analogy would make perfect sense to you.


You keep telling yourself that. On a bus you're with others, more a cross section of society, free to look around. On a motorcycle you're by yourself.

Again, analogies are to make things clearer. Yours doesn't. You also ignore my point- you have no legitimate place to stand to determine whether one form of travel is any more or less legitimate in an objective sense. Instead, you are whining about people enjoying something you've never tried and don't think you'd like.
 
2013-02-13 04:37:31 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: FrancoFile: Why doesn't the power system have better redundancy and graceful-failure modes?  If you have multiple engines and generators on the boat, separate them by firewalls and intervening space so that a single accident can't wipe out the entire thing.

Because redundant systems cost money, and the cruise line owners want to maximize shareholder value.

Just think, one of those mutual funds you have your retirement in could be depend upon the profitability of some real asshole corporation  e.g. Monsanto or the Koch Brothers.


While shipowners are notorious for not spending money they don't have to unless you twist their arm, that isn't exactly the case here.  There was apparently a major fire in the engine room, one that gutted the main machinery.  The EDG (emergency diesel generator) is probably up and running, and I suspect that all of the bridge radio and radar systems are fully functional, along with corridor lighting and all of the fire mains/emergency systems (in addition to the things Carnival has said are working like public toilets)

You've only got so much space onboard a ship, and you've only got so much capacity in your EDG.  You've got to prioritize what you hook up to it, and that almost always boils down to "only the things that are relevant to the safe operation of the vessel".  I do suspect that a new regulation is about to come down from IMO about vacuum toilets being able to be flushed at all times, though.

/And spreading out the regular generators is simply not feasible.  You essentially have a small power plant onboard, and you can't just separate the required infrastructure for it without it being ridiculously expensive.
 
2013-02-13 04:41:09 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: NeoCortex42: Maybe a couple of passengers have learned semaphore and are reporting to passing ships.

"POOP....IS...COMING....OUT...OF....THE....WALLS...NOW."


Snerk
 
2013-02-13 04:51:52 PM
Carnival has been busted in the past for faking pollution control records.

So there is certainly a precedent for them to lie.
 
2013-02-13 04:52:43 PM
akula: Big Man On Campus: Yes I am. If you rode motorcycles the analogy would make perfect sense to you.

You keep telling yourself that. On a bus you're with others, more a cross section of society, free to look around. On a motorcycle you're by yourself.

If you take a picture of a bus with you in it. It's ultimately a picture of a bus, you might be visible in the window, but no one is going to call it a picture of you. If you take a picture of someone riding a motorcycle, or a pedestrian in a scene, those people are part of the scene. That's the difference. A people-mover going from island-to-island each day is ultimately just another tourist barge. A citizen from another country who has time to hang out at night for multiple nights on end, and perhaps make local friends is actually part of the scene.

Again, analogies are to make things clearer. Yours doesn't. You also ignore my point- you have no legitimate place to stand to determine whether one form of travel is any more or less legitimate in an objective sense. Instead, you are whining about people enjoying something you've never tried and don't think you'd like.

No, I answered your point, you just rejected it because you had fun with a watered-down experience. Cruise-ship travel isn't legitimate travel because it's no better than paying for and spending your entire vacation ensconced in a resort complex. You could not legitimately claim to have seen an area if all the exploration time you had was scheduled and limited to the degree that cruise ships limit it.
 
2013-02-13 04:56:56 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: Walker: Rev.K: Hmmm, between captains abandoning their shipwrecked vessels, poo oozing down the walls and the near certainty of contracting Norovirus, I just don't know why I wouldn't ever want to go on a cruise.

Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises. About $60 a day pays for your hotel accommodations (the ship), your transportation (the ship), all you can eat, and all your entertainment. Visiting 4 countries/islands for $60 a day isn't possible another way. Try to find a round trip flight/hotel/all meals deal for $60 total a day. I even found a 10-night Hawaiian Islands to Mexico cruise for $299. It visited all the main Hawaiian Islands then sailed across the Pacific for 5 days to Mexico. So I'm not anti-cruise. Most people who bash cruises have never been on one. Once you go on one you'll be hooked....unless it was this one.

Aso, once you go balcony, you don't back.
/came off an 8-day cruise two weeks ago

Here's my disgusting buffet line story from the last one:  I was sitting at a table near the salad bar waiting for my wife so we could go to the pool when I see a teenage girl at the salad bar taking a sip of the salad dressing with the ladel and then putting it back!!

//stay away from the buffet and always have breakfast and dinner in the dining room. I you do go to the buffet go the stations where the staff preparesf your food


You are not exactly making the case here.
 
2013-02-13 05:01:09 PM

Big Man On Campus: CheapEngineer:
That's what these guys did, and look where it got *them*!

Well, when I consider how difficult it might have been for Gilligan to make friends with a hot redhead supermodel outside of the island, I think it wasn't all lemons.


www.sitcomsonline.com

And yet, he still didn't get any.
 
2013-02-13 05:03:50 PM

Big Man On Campus: THAT ^^^ sounds like a true vacation to me. Accessibility to zip lines or rock walls or a pool deck while trying to avoid crowds does not.


I own a pretty nice sailboat, and take her sailing in the Puget Sound at least a couple times a week in the summer (she's in drydock right now, getting upgraded). I also go on at least one multi-week sails into fairly isolated areas each year. (last fall I decided to charter a larger boat than mine and do Desolation Sound, seen below)
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I was able to be the only person around for miles (camera's color balance was off from being in an underwater housing)
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And while I love being out and on my own, there's nothing wrong with seeing the world via a cruise ship. Because of the relative inexpensive of commercial cruising, I can scuba dive and photograph spots like this (Fanning Island, one of the largest atolls in the world):
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Scuba dive in ridiculously beautiful locations (Tahiti):
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Go snorkeling here (Moorea):
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Or this (Alaska):
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And see this (calving of glaciers in Tracy Arm, AK):
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I certainly understand the appeal of spending a week or more in one spot, really getting to know a place or culture, or taking it easy and being on your own - but I stand by my original assertion that cruising, hands down, offers the cheapest way to see large swaths of the planet. The photos above are just a small snapshot of the places I visited in 2012 (not including Dubai, surfing in.San Onofre, Iceland, wreck diving in Canada, shark diving in Tahiti, manta ray diving in Bora Bora, marathon running in Disneyworld & Disneyland, 4x4ing & zip-lining in Alaska - even ending up in a Tahitian Hospital for a week). I know a thing or two about both adventure and leisure travel. Maybe once I'm a senior citizen, and looking to slow down, I'll come around to spending a week in one city, but for now, give me a new port everyday to explore.

/leaving tomorrow to use the 3-day weekend to visit Iceland again. $520 for round trip air from Seattle +4 nights hotel + tours + and daily breakfast
//hope to get some solid photos of the aurora borealis.
///putting plans together to soon circumnavigate the 700-miles around Vancouver Island on my own boat.
 
2013-02-13 05:07:56 PM
Even those of us who would never be caught dead on The Big Lots Of The Sea are affected by cruise ships.

Cruise ships are registered in 3rd world countries.  They don't have to obey US pollution control laws.

Since they've were caught about a decade ago and forced to pay some 8-figure fines; they have started some Potemkin programs to fool people into thinking they aren't belching smog and pouring heavy metals into the water you are swimming in.
 
Ral
2013-02-13 05:16:30 PM
Seems like it's always a Carnival ship that this happens to.  I once knew a woman years ago who used to work for Carnival, and she said they were the worst cruise line in the industry.
 
2013-02-13 05:19:08 PM

Big Man On Campus: Cruise-ship travel isn't legitimate travel because it's no better than paying for and spending your entire vacation ensconced in a resort complex. You could not legitimately claim to have seen an area if all the exploration time you had was scheduled and limited to the degree that cruise ships limit it.


What makes YOU the arbiter?

You are arrogant as all hell to make this statement.

I guarantee you that you have not seen every last thing to be seen and experienced everything to be experienced in the places you have traveled to. You draw the line on a day in port, but you forget that even if you spend a week in a location you still are not truly part of it. Even a month won't do it. Because you can leave. Because your home is elsewhere and you aren't making a life there.

Unless you're putting down roots, everything else is just bickering over how much you missed. You can laugh at the people getting back on the boat, but you know what? Their feet have been on the ground, their passports have been stamped (some nations don't stamp them for this kind of trip), they took in some of the culture, even if it wasn't as much as you think was enough. I think they had a plenty good enough time without your approval.

I think I can understand why you want to go sailing by yourself. Nobody else wants to put up with your arrogant ass talking about why their ideas of things suck and why your ideas are so much better.
 
2013-02-13 05:19:11 PM
So that wasn't a Baby Ruth in the pool.
 
2013-02-13 05:22:40 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Every deck is the poop deck.


Dammit so much
 
2013-02-13 05:23:53 PM

martid4: So that wasn't a Baby Ruth in the pool.


"Pool?"

Uh-oh.
 
2013-02-13 05:27:22 PM
"Carnival President Gerry Cahill said Tuesday the ship has running water and most of its 23 public restrooms and some of the guest cabin bathrooms were working."

"The ship left Galveston, Texas, for a four-day cruise last Thursday with 3,143 passengers and 1,086 crew members."

Lets say, 30 bathrooms available to be generous.

That's 141 people per bathroom.

That's a max of 11 min. for each person in the bathroom in 1 24 hour period.

On a disabled ship.

Some passengers will be sea sick...

It probably smells like shait and puke...
 
2013-02-13 05:37:36 PM

akula: Big Man On Campus: I still consider it not-legitimate travel. Flying to a hotel in a location, that's travel. Floating on a cruise ship moves you around much like the people-mover moves people around disneyland all while pretending that the cruise ship itself is the destination. To me it's like comparing being able to ride a motorcycle vs being forced to only use the bus to experience a city, while paying outrageous amounts to use the bus. True, the bus is more comfortable and comes with less risk, but ultimately you're on a bus meaning you're apart from the world you're trying to see.

You're not making one bit of sense. Your analogy of flying/cruising to motorcycle/bus just sucks. You will NEVER be part of the places you visit. Not going to happen. Maybe by hanging out in a hostel or something you feel you're getting the real feel, but it still isn't. If you aren't buying a house/flat, getting a job, and making your way in the world you're just transitory. The only difference is in the length of your stay.

So you hate cruises without having been on one. Yay you. Feel free to stand in judgment over those who have been places on a cruise ship. You just end up coming across like a judgmental asshole. I don't doubt there's those who have experienced Nassau in ways that are deeper and more meaningful from my experience. I don't give a shiat. I had a good time and moved on. That's what I was after. If the locals didn't like it, at least they liked my money enough to pretend they enjoyed our presence until we left. They're probably doing the same thing to you. NOBODY likes tourists when they come to visit... doesn't matter if they got off a boat, an airplane, or a UFO.

If the people on the cruise feel like they're getting the experience they wanted and enjoyed, why do you feel the need to shiat all over it? Do you go up to kids who are happily eating their Hydrox and tell them that they're missing our because their parents are cheap bastards who didn't buy Oreos?


Arguing over whose vacation was more meaningful.  That's the very definition of...

smallscreenscoop.com
 
2013-02-13 05:48:47 PM
The Triumph, like every other cruise ship, is registered in a 3rd world country to avoid US taxes and regulations.

Why are the taxes that I pay being used to send a US Coast Guard vessel out for this incident?

Why isn't the Bahamian Coast Guard sending a vessel out?
 
2013-02-13 05:55:17 PM

Carth: Dumb question. Why can't they just send another boat to rescue them?


As someone else pointed out, they just don't have empty, staffed idle cruise ships sitting around. And diverting another one inconveniences another 2,000 passengers who will demand refunds from having to deal with people sleeping in hallways, food shortages, crowded decks and everything else that comes with packing twice as many people on a ship than it was designed to hold. Not to mention the missed ports-of-call those passengers were promised.

No, better to deal with the wrath of 2,000 mad passengers than 4,000.

Also, this bullshiat about docking in Mobile so passengers without passports will have an easier time. It's because bus rides for 2,000 from Mobile to Galveston are WAY cheaper than plane flights from Mexico.

/frequent cruiser
//ONLY travel RCCL
 
2013-02-13 05:55:57 PM

realmolo: People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.


More accurately, in the Navy, engineers won't be sleeping until the engine room is back on-line.

Bringing me to another point:  I can't fathom how a ship that large only has one engine and engine room?  I'd really expected redundancy in that department (redundantly).
 
2013-02-13 05:58:43 PM

Anonymocoso: The Triumph, like every other cruise ship, is registered in a 3rd world country to avoid US taxes and regulations.

Why are the taxes that I pay being used to send a US Coast Guard vessel out for this incident?

Why isn't the Bahamian Coast Guard sending a vessel out?


Because it is in the US' Area of Responsibility for search and rescue.  This isn't like some Randian pipe dream where nations ignore ships in distress because they're not getting taxes from said ship.
 
2013-02-13 06:03:14 PM

Walker: A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?


I went on a cruise once. It was a smaller ship than that one, I had a blast. Probably because it was a smaller ship than that one.

I was just thinking, if they put some sort of walkway between the bottom of the water slide and the two hot tubs, they could probably squeeze another 30 or so deck chairs in there.
 
2013-02-13 06:07:01 PM
Those wondering about evacuation in an emergency, or if you just want to get nightmares, read about M/S Estoniahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M/S_Estonia
 
2013-02-13 06:07:21 PM
The SO has a nurse friend who briefly went to work for a cruise ship. He said the only doctor on board running all medical care was a foreign guy who had exactly one year of residency before dropping out. The nurse ultimately quite because he was being asked to do so many unethical things he feared losing his license. At one point he had to go over his supervisors head for refusing to have a patient suffering a heart attack airlifted out ("cause it cost $25k") and tell the captain in order to save the patient's life.

/yeah, I'll pass on the cruise, thanks
 
2013-02-13 06:18:26 PM

nymersic: realmolo: People are awful when they aren't forced to NOT be awful.

Suffice it to say, if this was a ship full of military personnel, there wouldn't be shiat flowing everywhere. The commanding officers would've organized different crews to handle sanitation, in shifts, and everybody would be put on a "poop schedule". Food would be rationed, with an eye towards minimizing poop production. Anyone that screwed with the schedule would be locked up.

But instead, we have a bunch of overfed entitled idiots shiatting everywhere and whining that they aren't getting their usual 5000 calories/day.

More accurately, in the Navy, engineers won't be sleeping until the engine room is back on-line.

Bringing me to another point:  I can't fathom how a ship that large only has one engine and engine room?  I'd really expected redundancy in that department (redundantly).


Most ships have only one engine room regardless of the number of engines; about the only ones that don't are warships.  The Triumph apparently suffered a major engine room fire, which knocked EVERYTHING out.
 
2013-02-13 06:40:05 PM
Sorry if it's been asked before, but (I've Googled this and not found any answers):

If they can get other ships there to drop off food, etc., why can't they just take people off the disabled ship? I know there are a lot of them, but it doesn't seem like it should be impossible.

Is it an federal govt. issue? Why do they have to stay on the ship?
 
2013-02-13 06:51:59 PM
This is the time it would have really paid off to have reserved a top level cabin with a water-view balcony.

www.cultbritannia.co.uk
What we are talking about in privy terms is the latest in front wall fresh air orifices combined with a wide capacity gutter installation ocean below.
 
2013-02-13 07:01:22 PM
If anyone's interested, CNBC has a documentary, "Cruise, Inc.: Big Money on the High Seas" about the financial aspects of the cruise industry. The docu follows one of Norwegian's cruises, not a Carnival ship. Basically, they HAVE to fill up EVERY cabin with cheap tickets and then nickel and dime their way up to a meager profit (percentage-wise), if they break even at all. So yeah, this incident is a HUGE loss for Carnival.
 
2013-02-13 07:29:07 PM
Go on vacation with 4,000 other humans all cramped together. Good times.
 
2013-02-13 08:10:05 PM
Posting this as a crew member from RCCL's  Allure of the Seas. Getting a kick, etc.
 
2013-02-13 08:11:21 PM
I'm suffering from a severe lack of belief and empathy here. You can find legions of the same appalled whiners ragging about third world conditions in 4.5-star hotels on TripAdvisor every day. It's what happen when you let domesticated livestock outside the home pen where they're comfortable.
 
2013-02-13 08:20:33 PM
I can't imaging spending money our my vacation time stuck with strangers in the middle of the ocean. Last vacation, we rented an apartment in Paris for 2 weeks. Later this year, we're renting a house in Sri Lanka for 3 weeks. Hanging out and knowing a place is better than a swing by for a few hours just to say I've been there.

That's my preference though.
 
2013-02-13 09:06:37 PM
It's Carnival, what did they expect?

Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.
 
2013-02-13 09:13:40 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Sorry if it's been asked before, but (I've Googled this and not found any answers):

If they can get other ships there to drop off food, etc., why can't they just take people off the disabled ship? I know there are a lot of them, but it doesn't seem like it should be impossible.

Is it an federal govt. issue? Why do they have to stay on the ship?


First, where would you take the people? Second, how would you take the people off the ship?

Like CheekyMonkey said, it's not like there's a boat ready waiting close by.

Second, even if there was, how would you get the people off the boat? You can't actually park two high-rise -size ships next to each other. Even getting a small boat next to it is difficult. The big ship is lurching around in the waves, since it has no control.

Ever try getting on a small boat from a stationary pier? If the boat is moving a lot, even that can be difficult. Imagine that both surfaces were moving around, and that you have to move thousands of people, including some who are elderly or even some that are wheelchair bound.

It's far more dangerous than letting them stay on the boat.
 
2013-02-13 09:15:44 PM

BalugaJoe: Cannibalism!!


My first thought was to think of the South Park episode "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow" and the reporter that said

"......yes Tom, we're even beginning to hear reports of people resorting to cannibalism" and Tom says "my god, you've actually seen people eating each other? and he says "No!  No!  We're just reporting that there are acts of cannibalism, we haven't actually seen anything."
 
2013-02-13 09:30:15 PM
I went on one cruise a few years back with a neighbor/friend whose husband was unable to go at last minute.  June cruise from NYC to Canada.  Nice enough sight seeing, lots of food (too much), but chief reason I won't go again is I blew too much money on the on board casino.  I go to Atlantic City casinos every year or two by bus with my Mom where you stay in casino for 3 or 4 hours.  That's fine.  But on cruise I found myself going down to casino every night when my friend went to sleep.  Almost went to Gamblers Anonymous when I came back, but now limit myself to set money to blow on lottery tickets and once a year or so trip to Atlantic City and no more cruises.
 
2013-02-13 09:33:50 PM

liam76: jjwars1: This. People will go out of their way to find something to whine about for attention, special treatment, discounts, or a free vacation. Then, they threaten to sue when they don't feel they are getting enough

That is what you have to do with cruise ships to get what you signed up for.

Which is my main beef with them.

durbnpoisn: And even better question is, if they can deliver supplies, why can't the bring a few Porta-potties? That would solve their waste disposal problems

If you could find a good place to bolt them down, you would still need to empty them.


Empty them into the swimming pool and cap it off, dole out the methane. Haven't you seen beyond thunderdome? That slurry is liquid gold.
 
2013-02-13 09:34:23 PM
I was a Boy Scout in the sixties and just about all of our fathers in the troop had survived WW 2 recently and taught us to "Be Prepared" which is what they believed and also the Scout motto.
I regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle. This is pretty common practice on a small fishing boat on the lake.   There are a lot of ill prepared people out there  these days who cannot even take care of themselves on such a basic level of just going poop.
I guess they don't have an app for that.

What a shame
 
2013-02-13 09:35:46 PM

Walker: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Walker: Well it is a great bargain. I've taken 8 of them, usually 7-night cruises.

I dunno. It still sounds to me like being stuck in a fairly crappy hotel (that sloshes back and forth) for days on end eating the same crappy buffet food, and occasionally you get to leave the hotel and visit the port town tourist traps of some third-world country.

A fairly crappy hotel? These are pics of the ship in question. Does this look like a crappy hotel pool area?
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Is this a crappy hotel theater?
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Does this look like a crappy hotel atrium?
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And the Triumph is an older ship, built in 1999. Newer ships have ice rinks, flowriders, rock climbing walls, zip lines, carousels, trees, real grass lawns, etc. You will not get bored or feel stuck. I just got back from a cruise. While most of America was freezing we were laying poolside and drinking while watching the AFC and NFC championship games on the big screen TV by the pool. Some people were watching them from the hot tubs. You can eat different food every day, not the same, and not buffet if you don't want to. There are more restaurants on the ship than days you will be on the ship. The ship does not "slosh", it has stabilizers. Visit tourist traps? I've climbed waterfalls, explored jungles, and met people all over the world via cruising. But stick to your incorrect assumptions about cruising. Less people cruising = cruise lines desperate to fill their ships = lower prices for those of us that do want to cruise.


I did a 7 night Mexican Riviera cruise back in 2004. It was fun at first to be on the big ship. But after 3 days with no stops it got kinda boring since the weather was crappy (rainy and in the 50s), I didn't want to waste all my money gambling, and I'm not that into getting drunk. The stops were all fun, but not enough time to really enjoy the cities.

I did however play about 40 bucks in the casino and won 450 so that wasn't bad. Took my wife, her sisters and her dad on a deep sea fishing trip. Four out of five of us were seasick the entire time and we only caught 1 fish.
 
2013-02-13 09:48:45 PM

Gleeman: Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.


Any fire that requires them to use the CO2 system isn't "small" by any definition of the word.
 
2013-02-13 10:40:00 PM
NEDM: Gleeman: Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.

Any fire that requires them to use the CO2 system isn't "small" by any definition of the word.


I admit details of the fire haven't been released, but so far it sounds like a Class C (electrical) fire, probably in a switchboard or cable run. The automated system would release as soon as it detects a fire, regardless of size.

I'm a retired US Navy engineer, had two switchboard fires during my time: we suffered a partial loss of power to secondary draws, but the major systems continued to function just fine thanks to redundant backups. With today's cruise 'ship' designs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire ship's power goes through a single switchboard; or all the switchboards are in one space. (or all of the gensets in a single space).
 
2013-02-13 10:47:49 PM

poe_zlaw: OK serisouly--how bad can it be? The pilgrims came over here on a ship with no running water, no hot food, etc. I could EASILY see this one idiot biatch I work with acting like the conditions on that ship are worse than conditions the slaves endured.  However, I could also see other people i know saying "eh, sucks, but its not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.  At least I am not at work"


That's the problem though, that one idiot biatch loves this kind of cruise. They go on a pre-planned commercial cruise to brag to the other people in the office about how adventurous they are when in reality their hand is held every step of the way and when things don't go according to plan, they start to panic. Some people on cruises are competent enough to not panic and smart enough to go off the beaten path for a real experience but these larger commercial cruises really cater to the people who like having their hand held.
 
2013-02-13 11:20:56 PM

Gleeman: NEDM: Gleeman: Can't remember the last time I read about an NCL, Cunard, etc. ship being stranded by a small fire.

Any fire that requires them to use the CO2 system isn't "small" by any definition of the word.

I admit details of the fire haven't been released, but so far it sounds like a Class C (electrical) fire, probably in a switchboard or cable run. The automated system would release as soon as it detects a fire, regardless of size.

I'm a retired US Navy engineer, had two switchboard fires during my time: we suffered a partial loss of power to secondary draws, but the major systems continued to function just fine thanks to redundant backups. With today's cruise 'ship' designs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the entire ship's power goes through a single switchboard; or all the switchboards are in one space. (or all of the gensets in a single space).


You guys had your CO2 systems on automatic?  Jesus Christ. Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about the mass suppression system.

And yeah, they probably did have them all in one place.  Most commercial ships don't have the redundancy that warships do.
   I know that the generators on my last ship were all right next to each other; hell, they were in the same room as the main engine (I'm just a stoopid deckie, not an engineer, so I can't say anything for sure about the switchboards other than the engine control room only had one large one).  The EDG was elsewhere, of course.
 
2013-02-14 12:00:50 AM
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-14 12:44:57 AM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-14 02:45:23 AM

Haoie: Most people who bash cruising have never stepped foot on a cruise ship. Isn't that always just the way?


My girlfriend took a cruise once. Never again!

/ So there!
 
2013-02-14 03:27:34 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: NeoCortex42: Maybe a couple of passengers have learned semaphore and are reporting to passing ships.

"POOP....IS...COMING....OUT...OF....THE....WALLS...NOW."


Do you have any idea what it feels like to laugh so hard pretzels come out your nose? You, sir, owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-02-14 05:33:58 AM

oldfarthenry: [www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]
There is PLENTY of running water on the port-side cabins (although the bowling alley is closed due to "gravity").


I wonder how many ping pong balls it would take to float THAT sucker. :)
 
2013-02-14 06:58:53 AM

Rivetman1.0: regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle.


Okay cotton, why don't you tell us why you like to drink your pee.
 
2013-02-14 07:32:45 AM
Rob Mowlam told his father the ship's crew had started giving free alcohol to passengers.
 
2013-02-14 11:25:57 AM

Rivetman1.0: I regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle.


I'll bet you're a waffle-stomper too.
 
2013-02-14 02:45:31 PM

CheekyMonkey: MrSteve007:
Places I'm going to visit on a cruise in July:
-Boston, Massachusetts
-Bonne Bay, Newfoundland, Canada
-Red Bay, Labrador, Canada
-Qaqortoq, Greenland
-Prince Christian Sund
-Isafjardurdjur
-Akureyri, Iceland
-Eyjafjordur
-Seydisfjordur, Iceland
-Torshavn, Faroe Islands
-Bergen, Norway
-Stavanger, Norway
-Lysefjord
-Amsterdam, The Netherlands
-Dunmore East (Waterford), Ireland
-Dublin, Ireland
-Belfast, Northern Ireland
-Djupivogur, Iceland
-Heimaey, Iceland
-Reykjavik, Iceland
-Nanortalik, Greenland
-St Anthony, Newfoundland, Canada
-St. Johns, Newfoundland, Canada
-Bar Harbor, Maine

Without question, if you want to see very little of a lot of the world, for between $35 and $50 a day (including food), there's no better way than cruising.

FTFY.

Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?  Hike up The Bubbles?  Climb the iron ladders set into the rock on The Beehive? See Thunder Hole?  Stop in at Bar Harbor Brewing and have a Blueberry Ale?  Go on a sea kayak tour?  Go whale-watching?

Nope.  You won't be able to do any of that.  You'll have time to walk around the downtown shopping area, perhaps have lunch.  You'll be able to say you've been to Bah Habah, but you'll see very little of it...


Pretty much that.

That upcoming cruise lists 24 places. Now, I'll admit to only having been to four of them (though for what it's worth, in three different countries) but any one of those four would need multiple days to even start to appreciate. Two days each would already be longer than a typical 7-day cruise, so what about the other 20 places? (and the travel time between all of them)

To add to CheekyMonkey's comments about Bar Harbor:

Is there time to: Have a fresh, hot popover at the Jordan Pond House? Hike up Sargent Mountain and enjoy the view from the top (and the blueberries)? Rent a bike and ride around the carriage roads? Have a picnic on Otter Cliffs? Walk around Ship's Harbor and Wonderland? Hike up Mt. Acadia? Look for sand dollars at Sand Beach? Visit the wildflower gardens at Sieur de Monts Springs? Watch the peregrine falcons that nest on the Precipice? See the Bass Harbor lighthouse? Look at all the neat things that live in tidepools?

Or ... um ... just say you've been to Bar Harbor?

And Boston. Just how much of Boston are you going to "see"? Aside from the history, you can spend all day just in the Aquarium or the Boston Science Museum. (note: if they give you a chance to do one thing on your own, take a Duck Tour; it's a good summary of the city) You can spend a day in the North End (mostly eating). Don't miss the Freedom Trail. Oh ... you'll probably just go have lunch at Quincy Market (admittedly, worth a visit) and then be told you've seen Boston.

You couldn't do more than scratch the surface of all those places in a month, let alone a week. What you're doing is just checking places off on a list, then confusing visiting a zoo with going on a safari.
 
2013-02-14 05:16:57 PM

CheekyMonkey: Let's take the last place on your list, for example.  When you "see" Bah Haabaa, will you have time to take in the view from the top of Cadillac Mtn?


Nah, I'll just stop by to hear Ebenezer Scrooge say his trademarked phrase, and then pop in on the Cratchit family to give Tiny Tim a present.

/Bah, Haabaa!
 
2013-02-14 09:27:57 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Rivetman1.0: I regularly crap on newspapers and roll it up and seal in a couple of plastic grocery bags and pee in a liquid laundry soap gallon bottle.

I'll bet you're a waffle-stomper too.

No, a conscientous and law abiding fisherman.

 
2013-02-14 10:00:34 PM

NEDM: You guys had your CO2 systems on automatic? Jesus Christ. Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm talking about the mass suppression system.


I was assuming that like many civilian ships they normally operate with an unmanned/automated engine room monitored from an enclosed operating station; shutting down the suppression system when entering the space for maintenance/repair. I admit I could be wrong in this case though.

Our auto systems were on the enclosed engine modules, with the general system for the space on manual.
 
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